Bryan Burnett| 19:57 UK time, Thursday, 12 January 2012
From Lambeth Walk to London Boys, tonight's show was a whirlwind tour of the Olympic city. We had some really fun things on tonight's playlist ( Pop Goes The Weasel) alongside some genuinely brilliant bits of songwriting. Rainy Night in Soho was a great showcase for Shame McGowan. I think the amount of suggestions we had tonight proved that London, like New York is an inspiring city for musicians of all kinds.
Tomorrow's classic album is My Generation and I'm looking for the artists who you think summed up your generation. As we have such a broad range of age groups who listen to the show we could end up with either Joe Loss or Justin Beiber.
Frantically trying to think of something non-obvious. The band that sums up my formative years and that have endured in my music collection is Talking Heads. I'm not sure that they sum up a whole generation but I like them!
Bowie defines my generation perfectly. The artist that I grew up with - a new and exciting lp almost every year of my life. Engaging and thrilling me with each new release and change of musical direction. His first lp was released a few years after I was born but in a way that was perfect timing because once he hit top form I was at the point of listening, mainly through my older brother. He was enigmatic, his sexuality was vague and exciting. But always the music was first. A run of lp's that I will always contend are matched by very few. By the time he hit his 1980 release he was at the height of his powers. A true innovator, never conforming. And after ten to twelve years of excellence he released this:
Like others I have a sense that a series of songs or atists will resonate with any given "generation" at various points in time, and I therfore feel quite comfortable offering my normal list: Love is a drug - Roxy Music Born to run - Springsteen Rip it up - Orange Juice Money for nothing - Dire Straits Night fever - Bee Gees Happy - Travis Here I am - Steve Earle The rising - Springsteen This is us - Harris/Knopfler
i'm in the fortunate position of having a name for my generation. its called the 'baby boomers'. born of the ww2 and post ww2 years in an age of social change and progress whos philosophical foundation was based on a loose practice of marxism a dense deep analysis of where the human condition was and where it should aim for. the uk experience was of a heavily diluted marxist form but with a strong grassroots socialist/social democratic backbone. so my generation was raised on a belief of some defined pure political philosophy which as the generation has aged has developed into some populist imitation/corruption of its initial vision.no judgement is being made about that journey.
the 'pop' culture doesn't exist in a vacuum and there is one band who,through their own musical travels, sum up this social development perfectly......from a pure form of their musical vision to a more accessible popular version.
fleetwood mac. themselves a 'baby boomer' band. who started as a pure form of bluesy/rock/quite challenging kind of band. a few purges of the artistic politburo later a bout of hedonism and a new sound emerges....but still called the same band (which in itself mirrors the political footwork of the british communist party and the publishing of 'the british road to socialism' which ditched a lot of the previous hegemony). so there we had it, fleetwood mac's own road from purity to playing at the all singing all dancing clinton inauguration.......... a musical journey to match the social changes of the past 7 decades,no judgement is being made about that journey although there may be grumblings in highgate cemetery.
Henri and DC are right that you are part of "a generation" from the day you were born onwards. However, I think we know BB is looking for Billy and Norrie's idea of "formative years" and "artist I grew up with" sort of thing. Still think "Eggs" was a goer though.
Very deep, DK, but is it not simply the case that today's anti-establishment is tomorrow's establishment? One thinks of the politically motivated so- called 'alternative comedians' who put the knife into the likes of Benny Hill and who today are pillars of the mainstream entertainment industry.Twenty five years later, Ross and Brand's 'edgy' humour turns out to be plain old chauvinist smut.
Hence Bryan's dispute with his former bosses on the relative merits/influence of Paul McCartney and Paul Weller.
Both are good songwriters. Both, in their time, captured the zeitgeist.
At the time Bryan was arguing about it, Weller would have held the 'zeitgeist', no doubt, and been viewed as the epitome of cool. But however good the songwriting, in reality, musically and stylistically, the Jam did not offer anything particularly original: the post-punk reinvention of 'mod' but with an 'angry young man'/ social comment/ conscience grafted on to it. But then, I've got a couple of years on Bryan - personally, I found the Style Council more entertaining and good fun, albeit again,musically derivative - but there's nothing wrong with that.
Lennon, Mccartney and Martin did do things that were highly original, though they would be the first to argue that without Elvis, there would be no Beatles.
Ask Paul Weller what influenced him? Answer 'The Beatles'.
Sub conciously, everybody plaigerises everybody else, even as they form a style that is unique to them.
So, none of it matters - 'every generation throws a hero up the pop charts': but it's pretty transient -so much of this generational thing is about the triumph of style over substance - ( hence The Style Council) - music being associated or categorised with a style of dress or political viewpoint which prevailed when you were young - which is why as you get older, you just appreciate the music for what it is, rather than the baggage that goes with it - it opens the mind and allows you to appreciate diverse things, previously culturally impossible to consider, or at least, it should.
Musically, that distance of age allows me to appreciate Jack Bruce,Nitin Sawhney,Karl Jenkins, Bobby Womack,Tift Merrit,Christine Alligator and Jessie J in equal measure - (as it happens JB is big fan of CA).
The internal debate is about sentimentality, the memory of youth and what you're prepared to be loyal to, on the one hand, and - on the other - what you have come to appreciate intellecutally,without the historical baggage and nostalgia for a sepia tinted golden age.
Perhaps there is not one 'generational moment' but a whole series of them: the baby boomers have tended to live ever changing lives, each life brings forward it's own unique circumstances each with its own generational associated musical memories and nostalgias.
So, the whole 50 years then: a list of generational moments from the lives of henri hannah. To follow.
Weller has stated a wide range of influences throughout his musical career, frequently listing The Beatles, Dr Feelgood, The Kinks, The Who, Small Faces and 1960s and 1970s soul music. [edit] Legacy
During the Britpop explosion in the mid-1990s a number of fledgling bands, such as Oasis, Ocean Colour Scene and Blur, cited Weller and The Jam as a major influence. As a new generation of bands emerged, Weller was again noted as an influence by bands such as Hard-Fi, Arctic Monkeys, The Enemy and The Rifles.
the beatles definitely defined a generation in a way the jam didn't who really just defined a 'sound' of sorts. the beatles electrified and transformed everyday life in britain. i'm surprised nobodies suggested dylan/simon and garfunkel/scott mckenzie.there's loads that could be said as to why their music chimed with the times. as for the 3 named comedians(?). pass.
long haired teeager: Meet Me On The Corner - Lindisfarne Moonage daydream - David Bowie Pyjamarama - Roxy Music (this is special) Stay With Me - The faces Give Me Some Truth - John Lennon this is special.
Student: Money - Pink Floyd Let Me Roll It - McCartney Stir It Up - Bob Marley & The Wailers
Real Job/Career: I Wish - Stevie Wonder Don't Stop - Fleetwood Mac
Engaged What A Fool Believes - the Dobie Brothers
Married: Do Nothing - The Specials
The Businessman It's My Life - Talk talk Shout To The Top - The Style Council
Married With Kids The Boy In The Bubble - Paul Simon
Separation/Divorce The Rhythm Of The Blues - Mary Chapin Carpenter You're Not The Only One - Love & Money
Born Again Bachelor: Release The Pressure - Leftfield
Rediscovered Contentment Days Of Fire - Nitin Sawhney this is special
Zietgeist NOW! Contented blogger: If God Did Give Me A Choice - the Leisure Society ( this is special)
Each of of these were separate lives, each with their own generational moments.
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Comment number 1.
At 12th Jan 2012, Will Power wrote:Shame McGowan?
Surely shome mishtake ☺
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Comment number 2.
At 12th Jan 2012, Scotch Get wrote:FRIDAY
The opening track on what is, IMHO, their finest album...
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I commend it to the House!
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Comment number 3.
At 12th Jan 2012, Will Power wrote:Frantically trying to think of something non-obvious. The band that sums up my formative years and that have endured in my music collection is Talking Heads. I'm not sure that they sum up a whole generation but I like them!
Talking Heads - Cities
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Comment number 4.
At 12th Jan 2012, Scotch Get wrote:Ìý
I think we should combine Bryan's words above with this interpretation of the theme.
I wonder what the Dark Side will be telt?
>8-D
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Comment number 5.
At 12th Jan 2012, DC wrote:I'm looking forward to some more specific themes next week
My generation? Pick any song from the past 50 odd years. But OK, let's play the game here.
Which song sums us up? Ermmmmm......
Howz about overweight, middle-aged folk who look forward to their summer holidays?
Fat old sun - David Gilmour
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Comment number 6.
At 12th Jan 2012, ericinelgin wrote:I used to have a
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Comment number 7.
At 12th Jan 2012, Scotch Get wrote:Ìý
BEAVER! No return!
>8-D
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Comment number 8.
At 12th Jan 2012, henri hannah wrote:Can someone clarify when my generation began?
Like DC, I feel I've got 50 years to choose from.
What age does it start from?
Or is it when you started to get interested in music?
regardez youse
henri
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Comment number 9.
At 12th Jan 2012, gaie wrote:Please Mr Burnett, sir, I don't understand the question.
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Comment number 10.
At 12th Jan 2012, ericinelgin wrote:Never mind. Listen to . It's got Brian Matthews and it's better than the album version (early use of fuzz box).
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Comment number 11.
At 12th Jan 2012, norriemaclean wrote:Grumpy so and so's
Bowie defines my generation perfectly. The artist that I grew up with - a new and exciting lp almost every year of my life. Engaging and thrilling me with each new release and change of musical direction. His first lp was released a few years after I was born but in a way that was perfect timing because once he hit top form I was at the point of listening, mainly through my older brother. He was enigmatic, his sexuality was vague and exciting. But always the music was first. A run of lp's that I will always contend are matched by very few. By the time he hit his 1980 release he was at the height of his powers. A true innovator, never conforming. And after ten to twelve years of excellence he released this:
David Bowie - Ashes to Ashes
Wow.
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Comment number 12.
At 12th Jan 2012, DC wrote:My generation, always looking forward to better things.
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Comment number 13.
At 12th Jan 2012, DC wrote:Including learning how to make iPads do what you tell them to do....
The shape of things to come - Headboys
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Comment number 14.
At 12th Jan 2012, joe-k-brown wrote:Like others I have a sense that a series of songs or atists will resonate with any given "generation" at various points in time, and I therfore feel quite comfortable offering my normal list:
Love is a drug - Roxy Music
Born to run - Springsteen
Rip it up - Orange Juice
Money for nothing - Dire Straits
Night fever - Bee Gees
Happy - Travis
Here I am - Steve Earle
The rising - Springsteen
This is us - Harris/Knopfler
Joe
Linlithgow
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Comment number 15.
At 12th Jan 2012, dale_kelvin wrote:i'm in the fortunate position of having a name for my generation.
its called the 'baby boomers'.
born of the ww2 and post ww2 years in an age of social change and progress whos philosophical foundation was based on a loose practice of marxism a dense deep analysis of where the human condition was and where it should aim for.
the uk experience was of a heavily diluted marxist form but with a strong grassroots socialist/social democratic backbone.
so my generation was raised on a belief of some defined pure political philosophy which as the generation has aged has developed into some populist imitation/corruption of its initial vision.no judgement is being made about that journey.
the 'pop' culture doesn't exist in a vacuum and there is one band who,through their own musical travels, sum up this social development perfectly......from a pure form of their musical vision to a more accessible popular version.
fleetwood mac.
themselves a 'baby boomer' band.
who started as a pure form of bluesy/rock/quite challenging kind of band.
a few purges of the artistic politburo later a bout of hedonism and a new sound emerges....but still called the same band (which in itself mirrors the political footwork of the british communist party and the publishing of 'the british road to socialism' which ditched a lot of the previous hegemony).
so there we had it, fleetwood mac's own road from purity to playing at the all singing all dancing clinton inauguration..........
a musical journey to match the social changes of the past 7 decades,no judgement is being made about that journey although there may be grumblings in highgate cemetery.
'say you will'......................fleetwood mac
cheers frae the dale
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Comment number 16.
At 13th Jan 2012, gaie wrote:#10 Bryan Matthews still sounds the same. What a guy.
FRIDAY
the song that sums up my life so far:
I Don't Know - Kassidy
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Comment number 17.
At 13th Jan 2012, Adam_from_Rio wrote:Henri and DC are right that you are part of "a generation" from the day you were born onwards. However, I think we know BB is looking for Billy and Norrie's idea of
"formative years" and "artist I grew up with" sort of thing.
Still think "Eggs" was a goer though.
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Comment number 18.
At 13th Jan 2012, henri hannah wrote:#15
Very deep, DK, but is it not simply the case that today's anti-establishment is tomorrow's establishment? One thinks of the politically motivated so- called 'alternative comedians' who put the knife into the likes of Benny Hill and who today are pillars of the mainstream entertainment industry.Twenty five years later, Ross and
Brand's 'edgy' humour turns out to be plain old chauvinist smut.
Hence Bryan's dispute with his former bosses on the relative merits/influence of Paul McCartney and Paul Weller.
Both are good songwriters. Both, in their time, captured the zeitgeist.
At the time Bryan was arguing about it, Weller would have held the 'zeitgeist', no doubt, and been viewed as the epitome of cool. But however good the songwriting, in reality, musically and stylistically, the Jam did not offer anything particularly original: the post-punk reinvention of 'mod' but with an 'angry young man'/ social comment/ conscience grafted on to it. But then, I've got a couple of years on Bryan - personally, I found the Style Council more entertaining and good fun, albeit again,musically derivative - but there's nothing wrong with that.
Lennon, Mccartney and Martin did do things that were highly original, though they would be the first to argue that without Elvis, there would be no Beatles.
Ask Paul Weller what influenced him? Answer 'The Beatles'.
Sub conciously, everybody plaigerises everybody else, even as they form a style that is unique to them.
So, none of it matters - 'every generation throws a hero up the pop charts': but it's pretty transient -so much of this generational thing is about the triumph of style over substance - ( hence The Style Council) - music being associated or categorised with a style of dress or political viewpoint which prevailed when you were young - which is why as you get older, you just appreciate the music for what it is, rather than the baggage that goes with it - it opens the mind and allows you to appreciate diverse things, previously culturally impossible to consider, or at least, it should.
Musically, that distance of age allows me to appreciate Jack Bruce,Nitin Sawhney,Karl Jenkins, Bobby Womack,Tift Merrit,Christine Alligator and Jessie J in equal measure - (as it happens JB is big fan of CA).
The internal debate is about sentimentality, the memory of youth and what you're prepared to be loyal to, on the one hand, and - on the other - what you have come to appreciate intellecutally,without the historical baggage and nostalgia for a sepia tinted golden age.
Perhaps there is not one 'generational moment' but a whole series of them: the baby boomers have tended to live ever changing lives, each life brings forward it's own unique circumstances each with its own generational associated musical memories and nostalgias.
So, the whole 50 years then: a list of generational moments from the lives of henri hannah. To follow.
That's Entertainment!
reagdrez - youse
henri
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Comment number 19.
At 13th Jan 2012, norriemaclean wrote:I think The Who were more of an influence on Weller.
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Comment number 20.
At 13th Jan 2012, henri hannah wrote:#19
(from Wiki)
Influences
Weller has stated a wide range of influences throughout his musical career, frequently listing The Beatles, Dr Feelgood, The Kinks, The Who, Small Faces and 1960s and 1970s soul music.
[edit] Legacy
During the Britpop explosion in the mid-1990s a number of fledgling bands, such as Oasis, Ocean Colour Scene and Blur, cited Weller and The Jam as a major influence. As a new generation of bands emerged, Weller was again noted as an influence by bands such as Hard-Fi, Arctic Monkeys, The Enemy and The Rifles.
ie Everything is influenced by everything else...
regardez youse
henri
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Comment number 21.
At 13th Jan 2012, Scotch Get wrote:Ìý
My generation's nightmare was nuclear annihilation. To some degree it still is.
Alas, the concept of Mutually Assured Destruction does not faze those who believe they are doing God's will.
Breathing -
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Comment number 22.
At 13th Jan 2012, Thing-Fish wrote:#3 Non-obvious = not played
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Comment number 23.
At 13th Jan 2012, Thing-Fish wrote:#18 Erra dozy segue!
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Comment number 24.
At 13th Jan 2012, DC wrote:Ye soured graze
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Comment number 25.
At 13th Jan 2012, gaie wrote:#21 we never worried about anything at all
One Toke Over the line - Brewer & Shipley
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Comment number 26.
At 13th Jan 2012, dale_kelvin wrote:#18 @ ya hh
the beatles definitely defined a generation in a way the jam didn't who really just defined a 'sound' of sorts.
the beatles electrified and transformed everyday life in britain.
i'm surprised nobodies suggested dylan/simon and garfunkel/scott mckenzie.there's loads that could be said as to why their music chimed with the times.
as for the 3 named comedians(?). pass.
cheers frae the dale
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Comment number 27.
At 13th Jan 2012, henri hannah wrote:Dr Who type re- generational moments from the lives of henri hannah:
musical awakening: Twist & Shout - The Beatles
Badge - Cream
long haired teeager: Meet Me On The Corner - Lindisfarne
Moonage daydream - David Bowie
Pyjamarama - Roxy Music (this is special)
Stay With Me - The faces
Give Me Some Truth - John Lennon this is special.
Student: Money - Pink Floyd
Let Me Roll It - McCartney
Stir It Up - Bob Marley & The Wailers
Real Job/Career: I Wish - Stevie Wonder
Don't Stop - Fleetwood Mac
Engaged What A Fool Believes - the Dobie Brothers
Married: Do Nothing - The Specials
The Businessman It's My Life - Talk talk
Shout To The Top - The Style Council
Married With Kids The Boy In The Bubble - Paul Simon
Separation/Divorce The Rhythm Of The Blues - Mary Chapin Carpenter
You're Not The Only One - Love & Money
Born Again Bachelor: Release The Pressure - Leftfield
Rediscovered Contentment Days Of Fire - Nitin Sawhney this is special
Zietgeist NOW! Contented blogger: If God Did Give Me A Choice - the Leisure Society ( this is special)
Each of of these were separate lives, each with their own generational moments.
regardez youse
henri
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Comment number 28.
At 13th Jan 2012, Scotch Get wrote:#25
Gaie,
Seriously strange song! What does it mean?
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Comment number 29.
At 13th Jan 2012, Scotch Get wrote:Ìý
Geezo! A dry user...
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Comment number 30.
At 13th Jan 2012, gaie wrote:Oh I wouldn't know, SG. Another song that sums up my generation I always think is
The Hedgehog's Song - The Incredible String Band
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Comment number 31.
At 13th Jan 2012, Madmacfaeclydebank wrote:Did I correctly hear Barbara say tonight that a bore is a man who, when you ask him how he is, tells you.
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Comment number 32.
At 13th Jan 2012, Scotch Get wrote:Ìý
Deh ken.
Ask Adam after Alison Again.
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Comment number 33.
At 13th Jan 2012, Scotch Get wrote:Ìý
I don't eat haggis. I don't drink blended whisky.
I have been known to sample the occasional Islay malt...
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Comment number 34.
At 13th Jan 2012, Kene Gelly wrote:31
how was Mars?
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Comment number 35.
At 13th Jan 2012, Madmacfaeclydebank wrote:#34
It'll be bigger than Beauly Denny but I do believe a terraforming project is possible but obviously subject to IP3 approval & surveys.
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Comment number 36.
At 13th Jan 2012, Adam_from_Rio wrote:#34 & #35
Having dubbed "Roxy John", I was feeling rather chuffed that "MadMetrosexual" had also been established.
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Comment number 37.
At 13th Jan 2012, Madmacfaeclydebank wrote:Adam,
As a enlightened, modern, renaissance conscious type of guy I always say "never say never!"
BTW When in space I had to shave more than my face and exfoliate and moisturise daily!
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