The Prime Minister's conference speech
David Cameron has delivered his speech at the Conservative Party Conference. Did you watch it?
The main theme of Mr Cameron's first conference speech as prime minister was cutting the deficit. He also talked about the idea of the "big society" and the role of citizens, saying "your country needs you."
He justified the coming spending cuts, but promised to be fair. Referring to the child benefit announcement, he said "those with the broadest shoulders must bear the brunt."
Did you watch Cameron's speech? Did he send the right message? Was there anything you would have preferred to hear?
This debate is now closed. Thank you for your comments.
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Comment number 1.
At 6th Oct 2010, Wicked_Witch_of_the_West_Coast wrote:I think he'll prove just how out of his depth he is...
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Comment number 2.
At 6th Oct 2010, teedoff wrote:I'm not watching, but I'll catch it later. I'm interested in why we're been given this vision a few short weeks prior to the real story - the death of a thousand cuts.
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Comment number 3.
At 6th Oct 2010, The Ghosts of John Galt wrote:A dead parrot is a dead parrot!
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At 6th Oct 2010, shillo wrote:Can't watch at the moment.
At least he's speaking to the converted and won't have any heckling or awkward questions to answer.
His inability to respond effectively during last night's interview regarding child benefit made him look crass, unprepared and unpolished.
A bit like Gripper from Grange Hill.
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Comment number 5.
At 6th Oct 2010, The Ghosts of John Galt wrote:Never in the history of any nation, have so many been forced to sacrifice so much to save the lifestyles of so few!!!
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Comment number 6.
At 6th Oct 2010, ´óÏó´«Ã½ News wrote:David Cameron is on his feet. "We were only resting", he says of the Conservative party. What do you think so far?
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Comment number 7.
At 6th Oct 2010, Wicked_Witch_of_the_West_Coast wrote:Resting? Only Lazarus ever made a bigger come back!
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Comment number 8.
At 6th Oct 2010, ´óÏó´«Ã½ News wrote:"Nothing has shocked me more than the catastrophic state of the Defence budget." Do you agree with David Cameron?
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Comment number 9.
At 6th Oct 2010, Martyn Norman wrote:That's it Cameron, allow Tories to take all the credit for what's been achieved in a coalition government over the last 5 months. You maybe at the top of the food chain but you can't by any means get anything done without the liberal democrates.!
Afterall, there's no "I" in team, Dave.
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Comment number 10.
At 6th Oct 2010, ´óÏó´«Ã½ News wrote:"We are stronger together." The prime minister says, talking about the United Kingdom. What do you think?
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Comment number 11.
At 6th Oct 2010, Wicked_Witch_of_the_West_Coast wrote:I'm getting rather bored with the constant 'it's Labour's fault' mantra from this bunch of millionaires. But it IS amusing to see the LibDems get none of the credit for this government's 'achievements'. It's the kind of smackdown they deserve!
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Comment number 12.
At 6th Oct 2010, Wicked_Witch_of_the_West_Coast wrote:I'm Scottish, but not interested in breaking up the Union. However, the Tories are so universally loathed here that some people might go along with it, just to stick two fingers up at Cameron et al.....
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Comment number 13.
At 6th Oct 2010, bhastings wrote:1. At 2:36pm on 06 Oct 2010, Morrigan wrote:
I think he'll prove just how out of his depth he is...
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Yes we'd be much better with you running the country wouldn't we sunshine????
I like David Cameron and I'd put more faith in him to sort out the mess this country is in than anyone else. Cuts were bound to happen and anyone earning over £44K shouldn't expect help from the government in child benefit or otherwise.
My wife and I earn over £50K between us and I'm sure we'll be targetted at some point too but that's what you get after 13 years of mis-management. We've all got to bite the bullet and expect it. All that remains to be seen is how "fair" these cuts actually are. Personally I'd start with international aid.
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Comment number 14.
At 6th Oct 2010, Wicked_Witch_of_the_West_Coast wrote:13. At 3:07pm on 06 Oct 2010, bhastings316 wrote:
You are as entitled to your views as I am, but seeing as I earn less than half of you and your wife's combined wage, and my employesr are already talking about getting rid of staff, forgive me if I am yet to be convinced that this coalition government is going to improve my lot any! You can afford to bite this particular bullet - many of us can't.
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Comment number 15.
At 6th Oct 2010, ´óÏó´«Ã½ News wrote:Thank you for your comments so far. What is your reaction to David Cameron's points about social responsibility?
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Comment number 16.
At 6th Oct 2010, Iwilltellyouthis wrote:Nobody has asked him/or will ask/nor will he refer to:
Why he didn't win the election outright.
Europe.
Child benefit chaos.
Andy Coulson
Big Society.
Rejection of the Tory mantra about prisons, ie that they work. Ken C won't last.
Michael Gove - weakest cabinet minister, slightly ahead of May, Osborne, Clarke & Fox.
The hundred's of thousands who will be put out of work/businesses closed in the few months.
He will serve up the usual drivel/froth/waffle to satisfy Murdoch and keep all the Daily Mail readers happy.
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Comment number 17.
At 6th Oct 2010, barry wrote:Just wonder if cammy realises the delicious irony of his married couples tax break that will mean a conservative led government giving gay and lesbian civil partnership couples a benefit that straight common law couples with children or straight widowed/divorced/single people with children will not get.
wanna be a fly on the wall when tory MP's try and sell that one to their core constituients!
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Comment number 18.
At 6th Oct 2010, Wicked_Witch_of_the_West_Coast wrote:1504: Mr Cameron gets very serious for a second, referring to the release of the Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi. With several bangs of his fist on the lectern, he says: "It was wrong. It undermined out standing in the world."]
And it wasn't your decision, Call Me Dave, so get over it.
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Comment number 19.
At 6th Oct 2010, Nick wrote:Big Society is a great idea as is social responsibility - but for a Government that seeks to "lead" to concentrate on cuts - including child benefit whilst ruling out adding at least 1p in the pound on a progressive income tax is not socially responsible but ideologically driven. And still Cameron talks of cutting tax rather than raising it!
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Comment number 20.
At 6th Oct 2010, hammersmithjack wrote:I am sure he is sincere. But how much can one man and a few ministers and junior ministers change when basic central government - moulded over 13 disasterous Labour years - remains untouched. I hope he announces an intention to overhaul the deficient way Uk has been run for generations. Starting with a major clipping of the wings of the banks whose supposed importance to UK plc enables them to run UK like a slave. He must reward those who contribute towards ethical innovation and value creation, i.e. hard working clever Britons, and change or take away from those who are obstructive, self serving and inefficient like the banks, pension managers, much of the public service and most of our air, rail and road services.
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Comment number 21.
At 6th Oct 2010, Nickjg wrote:Gloriously sycophantic ´óÏó´«Ã½ coverage. Multiple rolling images from the channel that sold out to the Tories years ago. He has not been asked a single serious hard question by the likes of Neill, Maitless, Roibinson etc throughout this conference. He lied repeatedly in his election campaign or he is doing so now - he has wheeled on his wife and children as props yet the ´óÏó´«Ã½ bites its collective tongue while he spouts twaddle. 'It was all Labour's fault' 'We didn't know how bad things were...' If they didn't know what the circumstances were they shouldn't have made the promises and weren't fit to be in charge. The presentation of this speech by the ´óÏó´«Ã½ in itself shows a spineless cowardice. Any journalist worth his pay would have reduced this shambolic coalition to ashes by now - but when you get senior ´óÏó´«Ã½ people having the brass neck to say 'Fairness is in our genes...' you get the feeling that such fantasists should be put on the minimum wage for a year or two and be at the receiving end of Osborne's relentless attack on the disadvantaged Then maybe they can connect with the real world! You can turn down the sound on this one and just repeat 'he is lying' to yourself - then look at the scripted standing ovation and you will feel better than listening to this feckless toff doing his Basil Fawlty impression!
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Comment number 22.
At 6th Oct 2010, ´óÏó´«Ã½ News wrote:"There is no other responsible way", says the prime minister, talking about spending cuts. Do you agree?
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Comment number 23.
At 6th Oct 2010, Wicked_Witch_of_the_West_Coast wrote:Can someone ask him how the people set to lose their jobs when they decimate the civil service are going to have more money in their pockets in a few years' time??
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Comment number 24.
At 6th Oct 2010, lesley2010 wrote:This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.
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Comment number 25.
At 6th Oct 2010, grupyat55 wrote:Sorry been though it with Thatcher.but if you are supper rich why worry
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Comment number 26.
At 6th Oct 2010, Bob wrote:Hopefully he will say that retrospective legislation will be brought in the very near future to enable charges to be brought against the previous administration for malicious and/or treasonous sabotage of this once great nation. Hopefully executions will follow.
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Comment number 27.
At 6th Oct 2010, Wicked_Witch_of_the_West_Coast wrote:BTW, I hope they have a word with his makeup artist - he looks like he's been tangoed!
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Comment number 28.
At 6th Oct 2010, ´óÏó´«Ã½ News wrote:"Spending cuts will be made in a way that is fair." What is your reaction to David Cameron's points on cuts?
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Comment number 29.
At 6th Oct 2010, Peacemoon wrote:David Cameron is so right. You are paying MORE on debt, then we are the whole NHS together!
Its not David Cameron who is out of touch, it is the people who just cannot comprehend the mess we are in.
Yet again, Labour leave us in an economic mess.
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Comment number 30.
At 6th Oct 2010, pedhed wrote:Can't say that I am looking forward to the future - I can't sell my flat as people can't get a mortgage anymore and I can't get a job (been unemployed for 17 months now)- mainstream politics has failed this country for the past 30years - why do we put up with the silver spoon generation of Tories and born again loonies from Labour and Liberal Democrats?
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Comment number 31.
At 6th Oct 2010, nigel kembrey wrote:Tony Blair in his memoirs declared the aim of New labour was to make people dependant on the state because Sweden had highest number in europe and remained in power for 50 years.
Tony Blair claimed New labours greatest achievement was not surpassing sweden on state dependency but doing it without anybody realising it.
Now with a £170 billion deficit the UK has to face up to this lunacy. The dependency must be cut and David Camerons coalition is the only choice to repair new labours cynical lunacy.
It is incredible that the reckless party responsible for this mess is ahead in the polls. We need to trust Cameron and Clegg to bring the UK back from the brink.
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Comment number 32.
At 6th Oct 2010, Wicked_Witch_of_the_West_Coast wrote:´óÏó´«Ã½ Host - has he ever defined what he means by 'fair'??
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Comment number 33.
At 6th Oct 2010, Fredsastar wrote:bhastings316, I'm not surprised you would start with overseas aid but this govt has supposedly ring fenced that budget in order to keep the Liberals on board. Though the comments of Liam Fox's PPS should give you some comfort since he favours rejigging the Overseas Aid budget to cover the shortfall for infrastructure investment in Afganistan that was coming out of the defence budget. Lesson to countries in need of help, become terrorists. Then we have this constant carping about Labour's legacy (saying nothing about banks that needed to be bailed out in order to prevent a depression or mentioning any prospect of those institutions paying back the funds they received). Liam Fox spoke of Labour's short sighted approach to defence but this govt has already set a date for withdrawal from Afganistan inspite of President Obama applying this same policy iniative and being roundly criticised by General Petraeus (OC Nato forces Afganistan) as a short sighted and defeatist. This year is the first with a Conservative govt in office since '97. This conference is all about blaming the last govt but what will things look like next year. It's going to get very interesting. Are the Lib-dems happy today? Are the Conservatives?
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Comment number 34.
At 6th Oct 2010, Nick wrote:Asking higher incomes "broader shoulders" to pay their part but not through increased income tax - a "fair" system most would agree, instead by cutting back on services so everyone is affected by cuts!
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Comment number 35.
At 6th Oct 2010, alfredwallis wrote:Cameron weaker than weak joke about a 'red head' not 'red ed' all over Labour party conference. But there again Neil K has got to be flattered!
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Comment number 36.
At 6th Oct 2010, ´óÏó´«Ã½ News wrote:Thanks for your comments @Morrigan, David Cameron is talking about fairness now.
He has just said that fairness isn't "just about who gets help from the state but also who gives that help, through their taxes."
What do you think of these comments?
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Comment number 37.
At 6th Oct 2010, Stephen Hughes wrote:Is anybody really buying this twaddle, the deficit is due to the selfishness of the labour party; I hope the British people are not as dumb is I hope. I will just use one word to point out how discussing this speech is; BANKS
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Comment number 38.
At 6th Oct 2010, Mike wrote:Hard working UK residents paying for the Banking sector mess
Hard working UK residents paying for the Immigration mess
Hard working UK residents paying for the Low life benefits cheats
Hard working UK residents paying for the incompetent civil service
Hard working UK residents paying for WHAT
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Comment number 39.
At 6th Oct 2010, Nick wrote:More about cutting taxes - I thought we had a deficit to deal with!
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Comment number 40.
At 6th Oct 2010, Peacemoon wrote:""´óÏó´«Ã½ deputy political editor James Landale says: Now Mr Cameron is getting to the meat: cuts. His argument? Labour is to blame for "catastrophic" public finances, delaying cuts would make things worse. But cut now, and "a few years down the line" you will have "more money in your pocket". Note the lack of detail.""
If you want details, his speech could be 3 hours long! Does anyone ever listen to the detail anyway? According to "have your say", not many!
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Comment number 41.
At 6th Oct 2010, ´óÏó´«Ã½ News wrote:David Cameron is now talking about the banking sector. He says banks must start lending to Britain's small businesses again. What do you think?
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Comment number 42.
At 6th Oct 2010, Rob Birmingham wrote:"Fair" doesn't mean "nice" or "popular". Live with it or leave.
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Comment number 43.
At 6th Oct 2010, Smuggy555 wrote:What a joke the "big society" is.
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Comment number 44.
At 6th Oct 2010, DaveRN wrote:I thought rubbish, especially the defence cuts more jobs going loss of engineering skills and the navy and raf unable to defend the Ilse of wight let alone the uk and the Falklands
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Comment number 45.
At 6th Oct 2010, ´óÏó´«Ã½ News wrote:"You should know how your money is being spent", says David Cameron, talking about "transparent government." Do you agree?
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Comment number 46.
At 6th Oct 2010, Call_Me_Col wrote:Morrigan,
if your boss is looking to cut staff, don't you think it's a little silly to spend all your time on HYS.......
You never know who's monitoring your internet usage.
As for civil servants losing jobs, who cares, they're a drain on my taxes too.....
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Comment number 47.
At 6th Oct 2010, Confuciousfred wrote:I like what Cameron is saying. He is addressing the Nation not just the Tories.
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Comment number 48.
At 6th Oct 2010, TJ wrote:The PM today has shown the status quo has changed; He will not let the country fall under the same Economic Policy of past governments...the Defence Budget, and the deficit will be tackled.
"I wish there was another way. I wish there was an easier way, but I have to tell you, there is no other responsible way" - I feel this sums up the Tories plan for the country.
We have to understand yes its going to be hard but equally it will save us in the future and get the UK back on-track.
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Comment number 49.
At 6th Oct 2010, ConcernedParent wrote:Very impressive speech. This country needs massive change and Cameron-Clegg is looking to deliver it.
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Comment number 50.
At 6th Oct 2010, Bishung wrote:I take it for all the 'new jobs' being created by the Wealth producers that we will either have to move house or become volunteers and work for nothing. This reminds me of the slave trade in a way
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Comment number 51.
At 6th Oct 2010, Call_Me_Col wrote:@ 43. At 3:26pm on 06 Oct 2010, Beige Rage wrote:
What a joke the "big society" is.
It's that attitude which helped destroy society in the first place.
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Comment number 52.
At 6th Oct 2010, steve butler wrote:Morrigan wrote:
I'm Scottish, but not interested in breaking up the Union. However, the Tories are so universally loathed here that some people might go along with it, just to stick two fingers up at Cameron et al.....
Gee, if I had known that before the election then I would have voted tory.
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Comment number 53.
At 6th Oct 2010, Average-UK-Male wrote:You have to admire the anti tory rant of a few posters here, I am taking a guess that it is not their signing on day at the job centre. The only thing DC has got wrong is that they should be made to spend the day there looking for work.
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Comment number 54.
At 6th Oct 2010, Wicked_Witch_of_the_West_Coast wrote:#46 - who says I'm at work today? Ever heard of annual leave??
I love how so many believe the propaganda peddled about civil servants. They don't all earn a fortune, nor do they all have these infamous 'gold plated pensions'. The press have turned them into convenient scapegoats, and the public have swallowed the bait, no questions asked. Civil servants pay their taxes, but he's planning to take away their jobs - yet that's ok, just because they're civil servants?? What about the companies that will fail because work that comes to them from the public sector is about to dry up - more taxpayers on the dole, less money coming in in taxes. How is that sensible? Of course, he'll still be living his millionaire lifestyle, as will his Cabinet and the other hangers-on.
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Comment number 55.
At 6th Oct 2010, frankiecrisp wrote:At least he seems like he's talking to the nation not the dinosaurs in the audiance.
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Comment number 56.
At 6th Oct 2010, ´óÏó´«Ã½ News wrote:People should be encouraged to play their part in society, David Cameron says. What do you think of the "Big Society"?
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Comment number 57.
At 6th Oct 2010, Gavin wrote:welcome to the world of pure Milton Friedman inspired economics - we will all suffer with the exception of the top 2% who will prosper more than ever.
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Comment number 58.
At 6th Oct 2010, Tornandfrayed wrote:Its great to listen to a Prime Minister who not only says he works in the national interest but actually seems to mean it.
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Comment number 59.
At 6th Oct 2010, diane wrote:Yes I am listening. He may be saying the right things to the Tories, but he's leaving me cold. It's the usual Yoohaabaa. The labour party got just about everything wrong and the big society, should be made to be like the Tories. It's all labour's fault. Nothing about the recession, and the causes of recession. He slags off Ed Milliband calling him Red Ed and rants on again with a list of what he thinks is wrong. Now he's talking about Public Chum No. 1, Eric Pickles. What a piece of works he is. It's all rhetoric. The Tories are all good and do everything right. The Tories are the best example of citizenship and we should all be made to toe the line and he's just said that the labour are protecting invested interests. It's awful. As if the Tories don't protect the invested interests of the bankers, the City and the rich. Who does he think he's kidding! Now he's going on about the Labour school's policy. I'd like to see them put their policies forward rather than just slag labour off. Is this how the Tories get their kicks. They must be pretty threatened. Finally he blusters on about the big society. Heavens, it's a sermon and he's preaching to us.
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Comment number 60.
At 6th Oct 2010, Nick wrote:If the "Big Society" is so pivotal why has DC cancelled a series of national meetings in local communities to discuss it?
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Comment number 61.
At 6th Oct 2010, Stephen Hughes wrote:Is anybody really buying this twaddle, the deficit is due to the selfishness of the labour party; I hope the British people are not as dumb as this. I will just use one word to point out how disgusting this speech is; BANKS
Mistakes, due to anger, corrected.
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Comment number 62.
At 6th Oct 2010, ´óÏó´«Ã½ News wrote:David Cameron has now finished his speech, saying people should "work together." What did you think? Did he strike the right tone?
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Comment number 63.
At 6th Oct 2010, ConcernedParent wrote:brilliant speech!
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Comment number 64.
At 6th Oct 2010, Mike wrote:Mr Joe Bloggs - ME - 45k PER YEAR
I pay 40% TAX
I pay £215 per month to havering council TAX
I pay £198 per month London underground TAX
I pay £20 per month car TAX
I pay and extra 17.5% on most goods value added TAX
I pay £500 per month nursery costs
I have private health insurance - Don't want to burden the NHS
Mr Cameron and your new buddies, what more can I give you?
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Comment number 65.
At 6th Oct 2010, Bishung wrote:The 'Big Society' seems to be nothing more than a way of off loading paid jobs to the voluntary service, and the only pwoplw who can do that are the millionaires etc who run the Tory party.
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Comment number 66.
At 6th Oct 2010, Ralphie wrote:1504: Mr Cameron gets very serious for a second, referring to the release of the Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi. With several bangs of his fist on the lectern, he says: "It was wrong. It undermined out standing in the world."]
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Our standing as junior partners?
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Comment number 67.
At 6th Oct 2010, teedoff wrote:I have to agree with Morrigan's point that cutting jobs doesn't help the country. It certainly appears that Public Servants are being made into scapegoats, while the real culprits are forgotten. And I don't just mean the bankers.
Throughout all of this Estate Agents have encouraged raised house prices, slipping their commission away after each sale. They are as much to blame for encouraging higher housing prices that required the larger and unaffordable mortgages that created the bad debts that sent us into this economic turmoil. So lay off those who want to work for the good of the country - as I assume most Public Servants do, and start realising that the self-indulgent are the ones you should be castigating.
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Comment number 68.
At 6th Oct 2010, Labourwillgetin2015 wrote:I like the way he has said that not everything wrong today was the previous government's fault (just most of it). I think that's fair. I also like the way he has his eye not just on public sector cuts but on how to achieve private sector growth. We need both.
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Comment number 69.
At 6th Oct 2010, Call_Me_Col wrote:#54. Who says I have that view of civil servants. I know there are many decent civil servants, doing good work. However there are just too many of them.
Plus you seem to forget, civil servants are paid out of government funds. i.e. taxes. So they pay taxes too, wonderful. But as they are paid out of tax revenue in the first place they are still a cost. Therefore if dole is less than their salary (after tax), then 1 less civil servant = more money in the kitty.
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Comment number 70.
At 6th Oct 2010, purpleDogzzz wrote:Outstanding speech. Ed Miliband is in the right job, and so is David Cameron.
We do need to step up and create a great country and sort out the absolute mess this coalition government inherited. We need to take this country by the scruff of the neck and whip it back into shape.
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Comment number 71.
At 6th Oct 2010, Jane wrote:How can a scrapping child benefit for one person in a household earning 43k be fair while enabling a 2 parent family earning 80k between them to still be entitled to it ??
Why not start by cutting allowances for those on the 50% tax band and also for foreign aid - lets look after our own people first ??
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Comment number 72.
At 6th Oct 2010, Lancaster149 wrote:"Nothing has shocked me more than the catastrophic state of the Defence budget."
Between 1990 and 2000, real defence spending in the UK fell by some 23%, while equipment costs have been rising by some 10% per annum in real terms, a doubling of costs every 7.25 years. If I remember rightly, the Labour Party came into power in 1997. By 2010/11, the budget was some 11% higher in real terms than in 1997.
The Defence Budget is mismanaged but what is never pointed out is that much of this mismanagement is the fault of the Armed Forces themselves and not just civil servants and politicians. Unlike any other goverment department, the military plays a key role in the running of the MOD. Odd because you don't get the farmers running DEFRA or nurses running the Department of Health. You would never know this by listening to the squeals of all the Generals (and, yes, it is mainly the Army) who seem to have very slopey shoulders and short memories when it comes to their part in this overspend.
I could go on but, in short, to try to blame the Labour Party for the state of the defence budget is an oversimplification of what has happened in the MoD. Similarly, the claim that any recent improvement in the economy is entirely due to this Government is also an oversimplification and distortion of the facts. Whatever the complications of these issues, they are unlikely to be discussed and we are destined to have 'Labour Party Bad; Tory Party Good' drummed into us for the next five years.
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Comment number 73.
At 6th Oct 2010, foxyeric wrote:46. At 3:29pm on 06 Oct 2010, Call_Me_Col wrote:
As for civil servants losing jobs, who cares, they're a drain on my taxes too.....
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Well I think nobody deserves to loss their jobs, this is yet another heartless tory jib.
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Comment number 74.
At 6th Oct 2010, ´óÏó´«Ã½ News wrote:The prime minister mentioned the word "fairness" nine times, the phrase "big society" ten times and the word "coalition" five times. What does this reflect about his speech?
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Comment number 75.
At 6th Oct 2010, ProfPhoenix wrote:In solidarity with the ´óÏó´«Ã½ technicians or anyone else who have thought to disrupt this speech I am refraining from watching it. However, using amazing telepathic powers I will predict that he will tell us that he is dealing with a mess created by Labour, that his policies may hurt but they will be fair, that we are all in this together, and that somehow his policies will sucure future prosperity and that the light is really at the end of the tunnel.The speech will receive lasting applause and Nick Robinson will detect something original in it.
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Comment number 76.
At 6th Oct 2010, Bishung wrote:I think that 'Averagu-uk-Male' has got it wrong. The posts are not because we dislike the tories, they are more because their policies, eg the cut in child benefit, are so ill-concieved and apparently drafted on the back of an envelope that they do not seem to have any understanding of how the average man/woman in the street has to survive on a daily basis
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Comment number 77.
At 6th Oct 2010, rjaggar wrote:Well, that was a speech and a half, all right.
Sure, a speech to the faithful, but also one which told them that it wasn't the Tories against the rest, it was the Tories WITH the rest.
It was a speech which told the public that if they wanted things to change, they had to do their bit too.
It was a speech which told all the right wing miserables and the left wing miserables to shut up and told the optimistic middle majority to tell them to shut up before getting on with their happier life together.
It was a speech which said the primary responsibilities of 10 Downing Street are defence, balancing the budget and empowering the nation.
It was a speech which showed the importance of his team.
There'll be lots of hoohahs, lots of outrage in the Press and lots of spite and hatred thrown in for good measure too in the months ahead. Bound to be. Can't not be. Unless this country suddenly acquires 5 million emotional genii who can nip it all in the bud and break the cycles of the past.
Time will tell how things pan out, but it was a speech which people should listen to again in 5 years to see whether it was justified or not.
The months ahead will, of course, determine whether the reality matches the speech.
But as speech is one of the politicians main tools of empowerment, all one can say right now is: it wasn't a half bad one...........
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Comment number 78.
At 6th Oct 2010, Ralphie wrote:I am a doer and a go-getter. This government is putting me off though. I don't think Camron and I talk about the same kind of doers and go-getters. I think he means people that work hard and earn money who he can then rip off. Oh hold on, he does mean me.
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Comment number 79.
At 6th Oct 2010, Mr Cholmondley-Warner wrote:The reviews are out :
"Magnificent." - The Daily Telegraph
"A tour de force" - The Financial Times
"Phwoar !" - The Daily Star
"Grown men and women wept openly" - The Surbiton Shopper
"Ich Bin Ein Binliner" - The Big Issue.
More at 11.
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At 6th Oct 2010, John wrote:Its OK telling people to start their own businesses but there has to be some support. Already more than half of businesses go bust within 3 years and this needs to be addressed. Starting a business means an individual takes the whole risk themselves and can be left in a complete mess for a long time if it fails. If it works, they will only get part of the reward as the taxes will kick in as soon as its doing well. We need to think about tax breaks for new businesses and for the people who dare take risks and create jobs.
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At 6th Oct 2010, Call_Me_Col wrote:#67 - I don't agree with a lot you say. But the estates agents are a good target. Index linking house price rises would be a good plan, and capping the commission they could charge to a fixed amount......
And all that from a blatant capitalist.
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At 6th Oct 2010, diane wrote:I don't want to be dictated to by a load of rich Tories. They don't understand me, they judge me. Do I really want to be one of them. Thatcher's children. It's all rhetoric. It leaves me cold.
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At 6th Oct 2010, LeftLibertarian wrote:The last time this lot got into power, within a year I and my brother and almost everyone we knew had lost their jobs. Unemployment had reached 34% in our area. Eight years later unemployment was still over 25%. They had closed all the steelworks, shipyards, mines, most manufacturing companies had gone bust(they bulldozed the industrial estates).
When they went out of power in 1997 it was like being liberated from a foreign occupying power.
30 years later they are back, unchanged and determined to use the deficit as an excuse to impose their 18th century laissez-faire dogma.
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Comment number 84.
At 6th Oct 2010, foxyeric wrote:I noticed that there are so many grey haired people in the audiance.
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At 6th Oct 2010, Countlopez wrote:Spin, soundbite, spin, soundbite, spin, soundbite, cuts, pain, change, all in this together, spin, smug look to camera, soundbite, loving look to wife, spin, soundbite, customary annual conference joke eg "NHS safe in our hands", knowing wink to Mr cCegg, spin, soundbite, more cuts".....thunderous applause.
Have I missed anything?
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Comment number 86.
At 6th Oct 2010, quellenouvelles wrote:Wasn't there some sort of written confession left to the effect that "the cupboard is bare"?
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Comment number 87.
At 6th Oct 2010, Fracking Tories wrote:I once took over a job from a person who had just been sacked for making a mistake in judgement. There was a handover period of a week where he informed me that he was leaving two sealed envelopes in a drawer for me.
He told me that should I get into trouble with the job to open the first envelope and subsequently open the second the next time something went wrong.
After about 6 months I hit a problem and opened the first envelope, it read,
"Blame your predessesor"
So I did, this was accepted and I got on with the job.
About 6 months later I hit another major problem so I opened up the second envelope, it read,
"Write two letters and put them in sealed envelopes"
Think Dave and his chums are onto about their 6th envelope at least.
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At 6th Oct 2010, foxyeric wrote:The prime minister mentioned the word "fairness" nine times, the phrase "big society" ten times and the word "coalition" five times. What does this reflect about his speech?
Tells he he trying to convince people that what he is doing is right, just like 'Labours fault we are in this mess'!
If you repeat the same words over and over again people will start to believe you
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At 6th Oct 2010, Macha Maguire wrote:So.... "Labour should never, ever, be allowed near the public finances ever again" - we're in for a one party state, then? Backed up by the newly elected Police Chiefs, doubtless, because it'll be the Daily Mail, Rupert Murdoch and Simon Cowell who decide those. So those of us who like living in a pluralist democracy had better make plans to emigrate now while we're still free to do so.
/disgusted.
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At 6th Oct 2010, Matt wrote:Cuts need to be made, its always the same Labour get in and spend, spend, spend and then the Torries have to come in a clear it all up. The fact is least the Conservatives+Lib Dems are doing something which is more than we can say about Labour. If they had got in again They would have delayed it further and we would have ended up like Greece.
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At 6th Oct 2010, suzie127 wrote:This Big Society of his, does this mean that all the public sector jobs that are cut will now be done unpaid by others. Or in cutting them, will he make the unemployed do them in exchange for benefits.
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At 6th Oct 2010, shillo wrote:Average-UK-Male wrote:
You have to admire the anti tory rant of a few posters here, I am taking a guess that it is not their signing on day at the job centre. The only thing DC has got wrong is that they should be made to spend the day there looking for work.
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There we are then.
See you there if I can notice you through the crowds that'll be trying to get benefit within the next twelve months.
Work Club here we come.
As the public sector contracts too quickly so will their private sector suppliers.
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At 6th Oct 2010, Ralphie wrote:I blame the electorate who were not able to look after themselves but rejected those who tried to look after them and ended up in trouble through one schoolboy mistake after the other. They will make the same mistakes again under this coalition, but when it all goes belly up they won't get the second chance they got after Labour because this is the Tories (mainly). I don't care any longer if people keep on falling for double glazing salesman, pyramid schemes and time share cons. They get what they deserve.
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At 6th Oct 2010, Fredsastar wrote:At 3:32pm on 06 Oct 2010, Call_Me_Col wrote:
@ 43. At 3:26pm on 06 Oct 2010, Beige Rage wrote:
What a joke the "big society" is.
It's that attitude which helped destroy society in the first place.
Who said "there's no such thing as society"? Margaret Thatcher.
I applaud David Cameron for trying to return his party to its One Nation tradition. Unfortunately the policies that are being implemented fly in the face of his Big Society vision. Call me Col has a point when he points out that individual attitudes are important in the make up of a society and how it behaves. Biege Rage I suspect would point out that the state has a role to play in society as well. That's where the division line falls. Those within the Conservative ranks who still seek to follow a more laissez faire approach to the management of the govt in which the role of the state is taken up by philantropists and charities on a more Victorian model. But life for the poor in Victorian Britain was unpleasant, hard and short. If this govt continues on its ideological return to Thatcherite (19th century Liberal not Conservative)values then how long will measures such as the minimum wage last? How long will the govt cling to policies which are clearly failing (free schools) just because they fit Conservative dogma? How long before we hear the words about applying "market values" to the health service? I'm sorry but as closely as David Cameron sticks to the Tony Blair play book for election and govt, just as closely his ministers mirror Margaret Thather's govt.
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At 6th Oct 2010, teedoff wrote:#81 Thank you. That's very magnanimous of you. I also understand the merit of your point of view.
The only thing I would point out is that the unemployed aren't just a drain through the Benefits agency, but also through Tax Credits, Council Tax rebates, rent rebates, and other allowances. If, after all of this is also taken into account the equation is still on the side of scrapping the job then I'm 100% with you.
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At 6th Oct 2010, Confuciousfred wrote:61. At 3:39pm on 06 Oct 2010, Stephen Hughes wrote:
Is anybody really buying this twaddle, the deficit is due to the selfishness of the labour party; I hope the British people are not as dumb as this. I will just use one word to point out how disgusting this speech is; BANKS.
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Bliar and Clown made the rules and the Banks complied with their directives. Clown ruined my pension fund meddling with things he did not understand. Labour have been uncontrollable spendthrifts for 13 years. You have absolutely no comprehension that unless we make these sacrifices there will be no pensions for anyone. There will be no civil service, there will be no NHS.
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At 6th Oct 2010, 24 years and counting wrote:I'd have thought activism would have been exactly the sort of thing he'd be hoping to discourage over the next 5 years...at the very least, it would be an understatement to say his desired form of "activism" and the general public's idea might not exactly mesh.
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At 6th Oct 2010, foxyeric wrote:My question to the PM is would he bail out the banks if he was Prime Minister at the time?
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At 6th Oct 2010, Wicked_Witch_of_the_West_Coast wrote:[66. At 3:41pm on 06 Oct 2010, Dada wrote:
1504: Mr Cameron gets very serious for a second, referring to the release of the Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi. With several bangs of his fist on the lectern, he says: "It was wrong. It undermined out standing in the world."]
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Hahahaha - nice one!
I've never been particularly anti-Tory, but I earn enough money to live fairly comfortably on. I pay my taxes. Can't afford holidays abroad, but never mind, I saw a lot of Europe in my younger days. I don't claim, or need, any benefits. Don't have a car. Give me my PC, Xbox and broadband, and I am happy. But for some reason I can't work out, my modest lifestyle is now under threat. From policies promulgated by a 'bloke' who's never had to live on £17K PA in his entire life! I live within my modest means, and certainly am not responsible for having to bail out the banks, etc, so I have to ask, why is it me and others like me who now have to pay? With what??
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At 6th Oct 2010, OnTheBlog wrote:The big society. Your country needs you. We're all in this together.
Hasn't Mr Cameron not just become Mr Cliche?
Not very original. Not very inspiring.
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