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Monday, 4 September, 2006

  • Newsnight
  • 4 Sep 06, 06:11 PM

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Mark Urban assesses the state of Nato鈥檚 mission in Afghanistan; Susan Watts brings us more on her investigation into stem cell treatments; philosopher Dr Peter Singer discusses his latest book, 鈥淓ating鈥, which is also the subject of Newsnight鈥檚 series; and the Best Public Services in the World series continues with a look at the Danish prison service. Post your comments on below.

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  • 1.
  • At 06:39 PM on 04 Sep 2006,
  • Scott wrote:

Where is Paxman? I'm afrid Emily is a pretty if poor imitation.

  • 2.
  • At 06:54 PM on 04 Sep 2006,
  • Brian Kelly wrote:

After 9/11 The Western world led by the USA under a United Nations mandate invaded Afghanistan to rid the country of those(Talibans) that accomodated Al Queda?... that mission was ..up to a point .. accomplished...but not finished.
We should have stayed to help stabilise the country...(not just Kabul)... to assist in the massive reconstruction as promised by the West before & during the invasion...!! We then invaded Iraq..maybe illegally..& now fight a war on both fronts & globally... wars we cannot win.!

  • 3.
  • At 07:41 PM on 04 Sep 2006,
  • Manjit wrote:

Justto second Scott's comment, where indeed is Mr Paxman? Emily really is sub-standard in comparison, more suited to News 24 surely?

Jeremy's back next week for a September 11 special on Monday and a Public Services special on Tuesday.

Peter

The USA has overextended itself and snuffed out whatever freedom in the process. I hope one day that the Republicans and Democrats who plunder America [with this war] are replaced on the ballot box by a Multiracial Multiethnic Libertarian Green Government.

  • 6.
  • At 10:25 PM on 04 Sep 2006,
  • Scott wrote:

Thanks Peter. The blog is a terrific. Your input is much appreciated.

Specific threads providing show feedback was inspired. Keep the ad hoc topics going too.

I hope you get the time to flick through the viewers comments on the show. Like those on the Islamophobia-take on Friday's NN.

Looking forward to seeing Mr Newsnight return next week.

  • 7.
  • At 11:02 PM on 04 Sep 2006,
  • richard from England wrote:

The public does not want suffering when wearing clothes and eating food. It comes down to cost. We are grateful to these supermarkets. Everybody should grow their own.

  • 8.
  • At 11:15 PM on 04 Sep 2006,
  • Andrew Livingston wrote:

Is my maths dodgy or from the wonderful system in Denmark do we get twice as many criminals?

(twice as high prison population in the UK, UK average sentance twice as long)

Does this not suggest without an adequate deterant more people's lives are being harmed by becoming criminals?

  • 9.
  • At 11:23 PM on 04 Sep 2006,
  • aaaflyer from egham, surrey wrote:

steve irwin (r.i.p) died today, monday 4th sept, not yesturday. who gave ms. maitlis the wrong info?

  • 10.
  • At 11:34 PM on 04 Sep 2006,
  • Pauline Campbell wrote:

An excellent presentation by Nick Pearce, director of the Institute for Public Policy Research, on the Danish prison system. England and Wales are top of the western European prison league, and prison doesn't work {most prisoners reoffend following release). By contrast, Denmark jails fewer people, sentences are shorter, and the reoffending rates are much lower. In other words, prison works in Denmark. There are lessons to be learned from the Danish model

  • 11.
  • At 11:36 PM on 04 Sep 2006,
  • fred wrote:

Interesting story from Denmark, but Mr. Pearce failed to notice the most obvious thing, which can determine the liberal prison system's merit in other countries, especially multicultural Britain. All these prisoners were blonde, native Danes and crucially, all communicated with an excellent command over English. Ring a bell? Isn't it quite impressing that murder and serious drugs offence convicts speaks such good English? Perhaps the liberal prison system works in Denmark because the prisoners actually have some fundamental skills to benefit from it, among these a general high level of education?

  • 12.
  • At 11:45 PM on 04 Sep 2006,
  • daniel, england wrote:

re. post #7, surely it should read: The public DOES NOT CARE ABOUT suffering when wearing clothes....etc., etc.

Additionally, if we are all grateful to 'these supermarkets' then why does everyone need to 'grow their own'? Seems like a contradiction in terms to me.

  • 13.
  • At 11:50 PM on 04 Sep 2006,
  • daniel wrote:

steve irwin (r.i.p.) died today, not yesturday.

  • 14.
  • At 01:03 AM on 05 Sep 2006,
  • Manjit wrote:

Thanks Peter. Excellent news that Jeremy will be back on Monday.

  • 15.
  • At 01:07 AM on 05 Sep 2006,
  • wrote:

Give Jeremy the chance to have a holiday; Emily is fine. She can be as caustic when necessary. Though she did seem to have to do rather a lot of the out-of-studio interviews. Division of labour is the clue.

But now down to business. Tonight's (Monday's) programme:

1) Letters to Tony. Haven't they discovered e-mails yet? But three from loyalists and former sycophants must be gradually giving Old Man Tone the hint, if 50+ of his own party, not the Portillos of this world, would like to see the back of him.

2) NATO in Afghanistan. "Rules of engagement" surely means: are you allowed to kill people when they are shooting at you? Or before they actually start. This is war, isn't it? Though the poppy plantations are lamentably intact. Nice flowers, though.

3) Stem cells. Not Danish cells, but the whole thing stinks. Seems amazingly coincidental that all these charming people are suspending treatment. But the world is full of coincidences. So maybe Susan Watts' two previous reports were entirely unconnected, after all...

4) The organic food report left me with a muddled impression. Couldn't really see the core of it.

5) Danish prisons. Good to let the lazy prisoners do their own cooking; and let them have a quick one now and again to calm their nerves.

But I agree entirely with what Fred says in Message 11: Lasse, Kenneth, Birgit and the rest, i.e. the prisoners involved were all nice, socialised, integrated, indigenous Danes who had done a crime de passion (murdering a dad) or were drugs dealers. Do you seriously think this would work with hardened semi-mafiosi from Eastern Europe or elsewhere, or with terrorists from further afield? If 20% of Danish prisoners are foreign nationals, why didn't we see any, face-to-face? Come on Nick Pearce, not too much politically correct propaganda.

  • 16.
  • At 01:08 AM on 05 Sep 2006,
  • wrote:

If 300,000 Russian troops over 10 years trying to viciously put down Aghanistan did not work. How can we expect the paltry US/UK (oh alright then.... UN) few grunts on the ground do any better?
It's a damned quagmire, always has been. We should know better...

  • 17.
  • At 04:34 AM on 05 Sep 2006,
  • matt wrote:

scary, three letters have been circulating parliament demanding blair to resign - and you know what that means ? john reid, that's what that means, he'll be used like bush to be the scary, unpopular patsy to bring in nasty new laws


as i said on the 31st august...

john reid...
tick...johg reid...
tock...johge reid...
tick...jeohge reid...
tock...jeorge reid...
tick...jeorge ruid...
tock...jeorge buid...
tick...jeorge buih...
tock...jeorge bush...
tick...george bush

know what i'm saying ?

the steady 'lets go u.s.' machine rotates round on its continuing cycles towards a very scary future


prediction:

john reid becomes pm

john reid presides over the war on iran to come

millions protest another war in good time to stop it

they are not heard

the police attacking, beating and incapacitating them with sound weapons look more and more like waffen SS

then, maybe then, enough people, too many people for our despotic leaders to be able to stop, decide they've had enough


snippet of a recent conversation...

"[anon]- Why isn't Golden Brown going to be PM?

[me]- lol, 'cos he failed bilderberg vetting

[anon]- No, but why the hell should Reid be up next?

[me]- reid demonstrated the will to go with the plan, the plan involves terror on a wider scale, just don't believe it's alcy cider, it's all about the laws and the wars"

  • 18.
  • At 11:46 AM on 05 Sep 2006,
  • Gareth Smith wrote:

"The Best Public Service Systems in the World" - Danish penal System

The first priority of providing a programme is to present a balanced debate, not just push their own agenda. It is typical of the left wing biased editorial team to pick the "best bits" of a "model" liberal penal system and compare it to Britain. My question is why not focus on a country with a proven austere penal system such as Singapore where the penalties for dropping rubbish or chewing gume are severe- result clean streets.

No the left wing elite can never be seen to show a "right wing" policy could actually work.

  • 19.
  • At 12:33 PM on 05 Sep 2006,
  • daniel wrote:

how come there are not more respondents defending emily maitlis, she does a good job and those who attack her should offer themselves as presenters to see how they fair.

  • 20.
  • At 09:05 PM on 05 Sep 2006,
  • andrew wrote:

shame the tribute to Steve Irwin was not a little longer - i always loved his shows. nicely done tribute though, music caught the character of the man. out of interest, what was the name of the music?

  • 21.
  • At 09:21 AM on 06 Sep 2006,
  • William wrote:

This is getting a little off topic, but I completely agree with Daniel in post 19 - Emily is an excellent addition to the Newsnight presenting team; look at her biography page. Her interviews are just as rigorous as any of the others, if not more so. I honestly can't understand what the complaints are about.

Oh, and Matt (post 17) - what does changing the letters of a name actually prove?

  • 22.
  • At 10:43 AM on 06 Sep 2006,
  • Mark wrote:

The music used during the tribute to Steve Irwin was the opening titles theme on the Crocodile Dundee Original Film Soundtrack. The Album is produced by Peter Best.

  • 23.
  • At 04:14 PM on 06 Sep 2006,
  • JPseudonym wrote:

Les Hemmings @ msg #16 wrote:

"If 300,000 Russian troops over 10 years trying to viciously put down Aghanistan did not work. How can we expect the paltry US/UK (oh alright then.... UN) few grunts on the ground do any better?
It's a damned quagmire, always has been. We should know better..."

The difference is that the Russians were attempting to take over the country. The resistance was from Afghan nationals.

What we have now is British forces helping the Afghan nationals to repulse the invaders from Pakistan.

The Taleban are loathed by the Afghani people but they are able to slip in and out of Pakistan at will.

I just can't help but wonder whose side Pakistan is really on.

It seems I am not the only one to wonder that

  • 24.
  • At 05:33 PM on 06 Sep 2006,
  • matt wrote:

William

changing the letters of a name prooves nothing

but rest assured, if john reid becomes 'leader', he will mutate into (as if he wasn't already) 'our' george bush

i say, smash the political 'kaliedscope', and look at the world as it currently is, subverted by vary dark gameplan

john reid does equal george bush, 'the plan' marches on relentlessly, but not unnoticed

  • 25.
  • At 05:58 PM on 06 Sep 2006,
  • matt wrote:

in agreement with you, William, about Emily Maitlis

but if i may be so bold as to offer advice for Emily, when doing satellite discussions, and with the inherant delays they bring, Emily needs to make her interruptions more substantial and extended than they are, and similarly, when involved in face to face debates, interruptions should follow the much applauded Paxman approach - 'i AM interrupting you, and i've started so i'll finish'

i'm sure Emily will continue to impress

but perhaps, in order to quieten down the 'blonde' haters, she could have her hair grdually become a little less so ?

  • 26.
  • At 06:09 PM on 06 Sep 2006,
  • matt wrote:

...i'm sure you natural hair colour, is as lovely as the rest of you Emily

:)

  • 27.
  • At 10:37 PM on 09 Sep 2006,
  • Paul D wrote:

Surely the time has come for a bit of solidarity guys. If Messrs. Brown, Milliband, MacCartney, Reid, Henderson et al do not stick together, we could end up - heaven help us - with an Englishman. That would never do - would it Mr.Campbell? um, Mr.Kennedy?

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