大象传媒

There is no moral energy in silence... there is no moral vision with congregations in fear of an enemy god of repressed humilities...there are moral energies and visions in sports power, working triumphs, the joys of conquest, inspiration, practical work, appreciated company, contribution, utility, and beautiful creation....

Preachers have read themselves in to blindness ... their souls should raise morale and ring with cheerfulness ... they should not reform but accept all the joys of humanity...but goodness for them is a bone idleness a confusion of mind over matter deadening their performances into self serving manners of prejudiced belief...

It is a privilege for them to be in our churches... our churches built by our forefathers for a greater nation greater towns greater villages and greater companies not lesser ministries....

We want the Jesus case retried and it's incredible priests arrested for seeking compliance and obedience to their kind of dead life heaven dreamers...established to close down the ambitions of humanity into service to undeserving crimilitias of ethnic hatred and economic deceit....

Imagine the churches all free with young wealthy passionate greats... freed form the Jesus case invaders and their enemy god.... towns villages proud to appreciate each other and enjoy the great company and progress of humanity...praying to each other not to god or Jesus...and therefore discovering the Genius Of Destinies together rather than the deafness and deadness of sermonised religious silences...

Imagine great congregations of appreciation where every communican can show off what they have done for the town for the world and be loved and praise for their initiative and creation...not Jesus...

Imagine Young people not confused but enabled with experience and all the answers to the explorations of their discoveries...

Imagine a world liberated into maximum potential possibility and ambition with all the knowledge of great company and loyalties...that is what the churches were built for..Great Britain... not Minder Preachers...

The nation should arrest them all... they have referenced criminals and hated those who love the church...

We will restore love and passion to our worlds... and eradicate all the beliefs in hatred prejudice and ignorant selfish betterment...

We drink to a world of goodness..Glorious Opportunities Of Destiny ...and liberation for us all ...from the tyrannies of the betterment godish believers and their baad sheepish snake instincts!

Benedict ...a communican ...not a communicant!

Firstly, yet another "Scotsman" (Jim Fitspatrick) deciding on English employment law. The quicker the Scots clear off the better.

Secondly, why is anyone surprised with immigrant workers being treated like garbage? That is what SOCIALISM & COMMUNISM is about. WE HAVE THE MOST CORRUPT government ever in the history of our Country, dominated in large parts by Scottish Socialists like Blair and Brown. Bonded Labour is nothing new and is seen in many Communist states.

Well Done Mr Blair and Mr Brown. 10 years of garbage socialism has put back the rights of workers by 100 years.

Not that Brown or Blair will care when they are both lying on a beach counting out their pensions paid for by the working class.

Although I have sympathy for the exploitation of the migrant workers the fact remains that if these people were able to speak and understand English they wouldn't be misled in to handing over money for things they don't understand.

I am unsure whether the Lithuanian journalist spoke English whilst in his role as a migrant worker and whether they still took advantage; however, I think it's about time the Government made it compulsory for everybody entering the United Kingdom to be able to speak English - as well as put information packs togethor with information on how to find jobs through routes such as jobcentreplus, instead of these backstreet "agencies".

In the US we are accostomed to a permanent underclass who perform the most menial lowest paid jobs in society with no recourse except to accept it on whatever terms they can get it. This seems to work to everyone's advantage, the US which buys this labor on the cheap, the nations who benefit by money sent back to families we call "remittances" (more income for Mexico than their oil exports) and the individuals themselves who cannot find work at home and will risk their lives again and again to enter the US illegally to get it. Then there is a second tier of legals who work in the US with green cards. Among them are the British nannies who come as contract labor in programs like Au pair. They are paid room and board and a small amount of money for the "privelege" of having the experience of living in the US. I read recently that among the estimated 12 million illegal aliens here, there are believed to be 50,000 Irish in the US illegally. When Brits lament the circumstances of those foreigners living and working in their country both legally and illegally, they should consider that in my country, those in the same situation may be among their own friends, neighbors, and relatives and the shoe for them is on the other foot. By the way, to those who do come to the US to be nannies, don't shake those babies out of frustration too hard, if you kill them, you will have no end of problems.

The report on immigrants finding them selves out of pocket, with wages a little to light for comfort.
Unscrupulous employers and agencies taking advantage of recent arrivals from non English speaking countries has always happened. An immigrants naivety and not knowing their employment rights has always left them open to exploitation, so nothing new with this report, other than the scale is so much larger than say, ten years ago when labour came to power.
The belief that low paid immigrant labour is a 'good thing' is always trotted out on a regular basis by our present govt and that the economy benefits. What they really mean: its good for business to rip off these unfortunate souls and robs the indigenous of employment; that last line has been said often enough but is only starting to sink into the chattering classes, that 'low paid immigrant workers' may not be a good thing after all, better give your nannies or cleaners a pay rise before a newsnight TV crew poke their cameras at YOU too.

A first hand account that may be unpalatable to some ivory tower Guardian reader types: no need to send polly Toynbee to get down dirty with the working classes, you get this at no cost, and it's going on wholesale, up and down this country, every single working day:

My previous employer, on replacing my services of 9 yrs with a polish engineer of almost retiring age, is, i am told, a dab hand with steam engines but clueless with modern production plant, but hey! he is cheaper than i ever was, even if his English is poor; suffice to say i received many phone calls form my previous employer, the occasional consultation or advice to a problem that they could not solve and i was willing to help even though i had already moved on.
I have witnessed a company use agency staff, from the occasional post filled by one or two agency supplied staff, usually an immigrant worker, to replacing regular staff with semi permanent agency staff with little or no understanding of English and would watch them flock together within their own nationalities.
We all listened to their horror stories, told in broken English, on how they got to England only to find that the cost of living in the UK was really a shock to them, but still much better than the shit holes they came from, and occasionally one or two more resourceful migrant workers would get themselves a car, not a dog license between them, let alone a driving license; tax and insurance was of no concern as their cars were not registered, and all the while, our bosses were aware of all this, and any concerns we aired, fell on deaf ears; they did not want to know, as long as they could save money on the cost of wages; and all the while a thriving 'national insurance card and British passport business' was regularly conducted in the canteen; the favorite was the sale of mobile phones to 'fresh off the truck' immigrants. Annual Pay awards and appraisals were cancelled to long term regular workers as the presence of low paid immigrant workers was used against us, the suggestion that the owners of the company could get the job done for cheaper, so complaints from regular staff were kept to a minimum regarding cancellation of annual pay awards, and the lack of a common language was always an obstacle to smooth operations; hence my eventual departure.

Large scale and uncontrolled immigration on these shores, will back fire i believe in spectacular fashion, but until then, the use of migrant labour, with its inevitable downside in keeping indigenous low paid workers locked in a low wage economy, will continue until radical changes are made, the kind of radical changes Labour, Conservatives or the Liberal democrats will never consider.

The archbishop has concerns:
I can answer his worries why christianity is at an all time low and morality is absent from our leaders and within society generally.
The docile masses have realised (albeit slowly) that the christian story is no longer relevant and its oftentimes revised holy text, the holy Bible has being rewritten so many times through out the ages, that todays king james version really does not convey the original source material written by scribes 2000 yrs ago. Jesus was, no doubt a nice chap and the moral code christianity leaves us with, is a good moral code to live by, but christianity, like all religions, need to be treated with suspicion when you consider its script and its historical machinations.
still, i pray to my god but am not giving him a name as that would be just to presumptuous:

'Dear God can you remove religion from mankind, and maybe we can all live as one, with no divisive supernatural nonsense to confuse us and seperate us from others with the hate and spilled blood that usually follow, i await that joyfull day when you answer my prays, untill then, i need to keep a hold of my 'flock' from straying into the other field, can i promise my 'sheep' that they can have everlasting life or that really good one that another religion uses, the one with the virgins, yeah, that ones a keeper, thanks God, amen".

I am so glad a picture of Jeremy Paxman and his tie appears on The 'Newsnight' web-site, as we seldom seem to see the partnership in the flesh these days !

Has it been changed to be the Gavin Esler show ?

Hello,

I do not mind if you do not publish this, but I would be interested to know how one can become a major news programme producer for the 大象传媒 and still make such a juvenile mistake - and this is not a typo - as:
"the Archbishop of Canterbury whose urging politicians to rediscover..." and:
"...to find out whose right in this devolution debate."

As we say in Italy, "Mama mia!"

Both examples are from your daily Newsnight email.

You'rs,

Eugene

It has been my experience that Eastern European immigrants are hard working and prepared to do the jobs that the spoilt English people are unwilling to do without much complaining. English expect to be paid the earth for substandard work whereas the immigrants at the Company I work for still take pride in the work they produce. If the 大象传媒 wants to stop reporting bad news for a while, highly unlikely, and show the positives of the influx of Eastern Europeans then they are happy to contact me and we'll arrange for them to meet the workers here.

For years I have been saying that the real scandal about asylum and economic migrants is the exploitative nature of the 'black' economy.

It has simply been a major mistake to just stigmatise asylum seekers/economic migrants. This has had the effect of allowing an employement system close to slavery develop in this country.

Enforce rigourously the employment laws and the reason people smugglers and illegal immigration will largely disappear.

i have lost track of the number of undercover slave labour expose films. Govt still acts 'surprised' this is going on. We should be surprised at their surprise at what they consider this flabberghasting bombshell?
I would be astonished and amazed if they did anything other than invent laws that no one enforces?

Bringing democracy to the house of lords is the same as bringing immorality? Archbishop makes sense. We have been trying to bring a lot of democracy to iraq which must have been a success as place is now a den of immorality?

Regarding the many guest workers working in virtual slavery exposed yesterday by the 大象传媒, this is nasty and must stop - but one reason it must stop, is that they are undercutting native British workers by a vast and truly life-destroying amount.

If a British worker were doing these soul-destroying jobs in chemicals, food processing, battery poultry, etc. on, say, 拢6 per hour 40 hours a week, s/he would earn 拢12,000 a year, that is about 拢230 a week before tax. (Income tax would be about 拢1,500 but allowances might replace this unless you were single.) Rent for a family with 2 children would be at least 拢100 a week, a mortgage of 拢120,000 拢150 a week - but you could not borrow more than 拢50,000 could you? Food, clothes, etc., would be at least 拢100 a week. Bills would be at least 拢20 a week. Car (which is probably essential) another 拢20 a week at least. So 拢240 is going out on essentials for survival every week.

Is not this much the same as bonded labour?

Now, suppose the imported labour gets properly paid, look at how far 拢12,000 a week would go in Lithuania (or say 拢8,000 after UK living expenses, tax, etc.). I cannot do this - it should have been incorporated in the report. I would guess it buys you a lifestyle of relative splendour (have seen this with my own eyes in Poland).

Next, look at how much labourers in chemcials, food processing, battery farms, etc. get paid in Lithuania, and what sort of life it gets them there. I cannot do this - it should have been in the report - but I would guess about the same as 拢12,000 does in Britain. (However most people are in the same boat so you don't have huge Range Rovers roaring past you every 5 minutes as you strugeel to your terrible, terribly-paid work.) Anyway, it seems likely that the Lithuanian government is as careless as ours about giving their own people who toil in the world's worst jobs any sort of life worth living at all. Otherwise why would people come over here to work in factories etc. in the first place?

The news report as it went out highlights the full meaning of the word "partial" in every sense of the word. As Dr Rowan Williams has pointed out, we must take the trouble to examine issues from very angle, even if time is short in our busy world.

As a counterweight to Mr Mercer's American propaganda post (No. 14), you may like to read this:

Regards.

no.13
we are "undercutting native British workers by a vast and truly life-destroying amount". Why didn't you take a job like that?

dear Radu (No.13)

English people don't take jobs at the minimum legal wage for the same reason you didn't take low paid work in Romania or wherever you come from. You might as well kill yourself. If you look around you at young Englishmen, you will see a lot of them doing just that with drink and drugs - like the aborigines, or the native American Indians in their reservations. In fact you need about 拢20,000 a year at least in England for a very basic life, and that is far more than the minimum wage.

I am sorry if I upset you, but workers should fight together for a decent life, not fight against each other. I thought Eastern Europeans knew all about solidarity?

By the way, if you read this, could you post a comment answering the questions in my comment? - i.e., how much do these terrible jobs pay in Eastern Europe, and what do the basic needs of life cost for, say, a family with two children. You could say at the same time, why you came here looking for work.

Also, I didn't ask this, but perhaps you could tell us whether anybody in your country fights for decent pay for workers instead of just coming to another country where the pay could be decent for a foreigner, but not for someone who has to live here permanently.

Eugene - 16,

I couldn't agree more - as a Somali, the link article you provided is a fair analysis of the situation.

David Mercer's article, (14, 15) is a mixture of facts and American fiction!

Ohh plz just

THROW ME A BONE!!!!!!!!!!!!