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A Fat Club run by the sugarmarkets i mean supermarkets?

People confuse love with food. I once went to an local animal 'farm' where children could feed the animals. In one room was the biggest fattest rabbit i have ever seen whose face looked like he couldn't eat another thing lying on its back in a complete 'dead to the world' sleep surround by half eaten carrots. One small child poking a carrot through the grill at the snoring rabbit said in a hurt kind of tone 'Mummy why is the rabbit not eating?'

Feeding as a sign of love means you end up with the fat rabbit.

I am curious about what the role of the Environment Agency is in all this. Their 03/04 - 07/08 Strategy for Flood Risk Management talks a lot about moving from "Flood Prevention" to "Flood Risk Management" - and also says that investment in defenses is "believed to be inadequate".

I seem to recall talk a few years back of eco-friendly mitigation strategies rather than aggressive prevention strategies.

Is this a story of adverse weather or a story of another government agency that is out of its depth.

FLOODS
Gordon Brown is far more responsible for the floods than the 大象传媒 is telling everyone. Was it not Gordon Brown who stole money through a Windfall tax on Water Companies in 1997, was it not Mr Brown who is still stealing 拢5 billion a year from pension funds. Both of these thefts mean that the Water Companies have not been able to use that money to spend on water and flood infrastructure. Why does the media not ask Mr Brown some hard questions!

I have opposed experimenting on animals since first discovering to my surprise that it was allowed. I'm not an 'animal lover' but believe that the way we treat them reflects our attitudes to one another.

If we torture animals - and I am not fooled by the word 'testing' into calling it anything else - we degrade ourselves as people.

We kill animals for food and slaughter our human enemies on the battlefield, but Vivisection is a sickening misuse of our power and a harbinger of how we might justify ill-treating each other.

I am an animal lover and have two dogs which were rescued by the humane society and I raised from pups. I had another dog I raised had loved for 15 years. But animal life cannot be equated with human life and the sacrifice of lab animals although painful to contemplate is necessary to develop procedures and drugs which extend, improve, and save countless lives of both humans and other animals. I worked for a pharmaceutical company for awhile and many of the people who worked there are animal lovers and have pets too. If the antivivisectionists had their way, the first living thing a surgeon would cut open would be a human being and there are NO computer models which can substitute for testing of procedures and experimental drugs on animals. We should be greatful that we have dedicated scientists and technicians who are willing and able to perform this necessary work we all benefit from.

TRANSLATORS

I am poised to send this email because I fear you have succumbed to a common confusion between the professions of translation and interpreting. Translators work exclusively with written documents, rendering them from one language to another. Interpreters work between two (or more) languages using the spoken medium. Many practitioners do both, but the two practices do have different names.

I do hope you prove me wrong and that your piece is actually about translators.

15 minutes later... I find that the piece is indeed about interpreters (your reporter gets it right), so I am sending this message.

It is a simple matter of politeness to use the term that people use to describe themselves.

I am a Parkinson's sufferer, earlier on this year I underwent the DBS surgery performed by Professor Aziz. This operation has changed my life, I have a future again and I am able to plan my life with my family. This is only possible because of the wonderful work of Professor Aziz. In my mind Professor Aziz should be supported and praised for his work. I would like to take this opportunity to thank Professor Aziz from the bottom of my heart, as would my husband and two daughters.

The representative of the 'Abolition of Vivisection' group displayed a disgraceful willingness to conflate and misrepresent issues in this debate. She blatantly tried to associate animal testing for cosmetics with the testing of animals for medical research 鈥� most scientist would not support the use of animals for this purpose. She also refused to accept Tipu Aziz鈥檚 proposal that that rejection of animal testing would require turning ones back on a major slice of modern medicine. This is a reflection of either ignorance or wilful manipulation of the facts.

Animal testing in this country is very carefully regulated and it is only allowed where other methods cannot be used - do not be hood-winked into thinking that all experimentation can be undertaken in cell culture or in a test tube.

I was grateful that Michelle Thew from BUAV challenged Tipu Aziz over his vile and very questionable animal experiments. I am saddened that Oxford University is still in the Stone Age carrying out such outdated experiments when there are plenty of modern and RELIABLE alternatives. If the government kept to their word and had a Royal Commission on the effectiveness or otherwise of vivisection all animal tested drugs would have to be withdrawn and the pharmaceutical industry would collapse overnight. That is why vivisection continues - it all comes down to money and to hell with animal suffering. Shame on them.

The representative of the 'Abolition of Vivisection' group displayed a disgraceful willingness to conflate and misrepresent issues in this debate. She blatantly tried to associate animal testing for cosmetics with the testing of animals for medical research 鈥� most scientist would not support the use of animals for this purpose. She also refused to accept Tipu Aziz鈥檚 proposal that that rejection of animal testing would require turning ones back on a major slice of modern medicine. This is a reflection of either ignorance or wilful manipulation of the facts.

Animal testing in this country is very carefully regulated and it is only allowed where other methods cannot be used - do not be hood-winked into thinking that all experimentation can be undertaken in cell culture or in a test tube.

I was grateful that Michelle Thew from BUAV challenged Tipu Aziz over his vile and very questionable animal experiments. I am saddened that Oxford University is still in the Stone Age carrying out such outdated experiments when there are plenty of modern and RELIABLE alternatives. If the government kept to their word and had a Royal Commission on the effectiveness or otherwise of vivisection all animal tested drugs would have to be withdrawn and the pharmaceutical industry would collapse overnight. That is why vivisection continues - it all comes down to money and to hell with animal suffering. Shame on them.

Once again the Newsnight team has uploaded the edition from the previous week instead of yesterday's episode for viewing from the website! This is extremely frustrating! This is the third time in the last 2 weeks! Please get your website procedures sorted out.

With more heavy rains on the way, the gov. should really think about doing something a little more pro-active and get some crop dusters or water bommers into the air to seed the clouds with dry ice and silver iodine (like they do in China to stop hail) in order to drain them of rain before they can reach already flooded areas and do more damage.

One of the by-products of having food grown and killed for a modern western society is that vegetarians, anti vivs and the animal liberator are born, they have become quite powerful lobbyist for the cause of other creatures. Not so long ago you had to grow your own food and cut the throats of chickens and pigs if you wished to survive in this country. If you grow up into a sanitized world of mass produced food, unaware of its source and one day witness the death of a creature and then its presented as a meal, don't be surprised that some will barf at the thought of eating a creature that only a few minutes earlier was running around, hence we have the over-sensitive turning veggie and wishing to save the poor chicken.

Anti vivisectionist are the type who like the rest of us, have benefited from modern food production but they still deny the fact that man is a meat eater, not a pretend sausage meat pulp swallower. Experiments that have been carried out over the years by animal vivisectionist trying to discover cure's for diseases that still puzzle medical science or are approaching medical breakthroughs should not be hindered by anti-vivs.

We have dogs and cats as pets, in other parts of the world they are eaten, and much as we find it difficult to witness fido caged and finally bludgeoned to death for its meat, quite frankly thats the way the world is, but we in turn are laughed at for having donkey sactuary's whilst people around the world are starving , anti-vivs are upset but not as much as someone starving and would kill for a piece of meat or for someone wishing for a speedy cure to some disease. if one feels so strongly about animal experiments can i suggest you put yourself forward for medical science, lets just see how committed you are to the premise you hold so dear to the welfare of rodents, rats and monkeys..and as for computer models for replacing animal experiments, can that really be an alternative to animal experimentation? ...er no.

When the Victorians had problems with sewage in London they put Joseph Bazalgette in charge of sorting out the problem. Though one of the greatest engineers of the time he struggled with what was the monumental task of building London's sewers. When we have a problem we put people like Baroness Young in charge of the Environment Agency, as she whittered on about "climate-change-proofing our drainage system" and other such nonsense it became clear that she hasn't a clue about what she was talking about. Whilst she may be able to drop in trendy buzz words and write a good press release she is clearly useless on the technical side.

And that pretty well sums up many problems in this country today. Politicians who have never had a proper job employing trendy intellectuals on quangos to oversee major parts of the country's infrastructure. Real engineers and men of the world are despised as blue collar workers who wouldn't know a good press release if it hit them in the face. Until that changes and you get rid of people like Baroness Young and replace her with a modern day Joseph Bazalgette things will only get worse.

The newsnight sisterhood want more money?

The earth mothers have a point. Because bbc tv women have a shorter shelf life then they should get more to compensate?

So not only less pay but they get less time too?

All of this rain and flooding makes me think there might be an untapped business opportunity in Britain....selling houseboats.

Quite right too Emily - Paxo on a million and we never see him Great work if you can get it
Newsnight off Air soon

We live in an equal society now why should women be paid less for doing the same jobs?

Emily does the Job just as well as Paxman. She should be on more often not just when Paxman's off!