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Monday, 13 August, 2007

  • Newsnight
  • 13 Aug 07, 07:27 PM

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Rove to go
President Bush is waving farewell to the man who, arguably more than any other propelled him into the White House not once but twice. The departure of Karl Rove, Bush's Chief political adviser to spend more time with his family leaves just Dick Cheney and Condoleezza Rice from the original praetorian guard. The end of the Administration is in sight and it could be that Karl Rove sees little more for a man of a hawklike disposition to do. Rove's fingerprints are on every big Bush decision, in domestic as well as foreign policy, and on much more we didn't witness. His role behind the scenes in political manoeuvres has been described as The Mark of Rove and as an article in the New Yorker once put it, Democrats use "Rove" as shorthand for the Bush administration,as in " Is Rove going to invade Syria?" such was his power. Standing on The White House lawn today with Presdient Bush he said he would remain a fierce and committted advocate on the outside. Tonight we'll offer up two very different views of Karl Rove . We'll be talking to a leading Republican politician and Democratic strategist, Sidney Blumenthal.

Heathrow
Which is the greatest threat, terror or climate change? BAA is accusing the protestors mounting a week of action at Heathrow over the airports expanision plans, of being irresponsible and unlawful. Mark Bullock , the managing director of BAA said, " With the current terrorism threat, keeping Heathrow safe and secure is a very serious business." But at the Camp for Climate Action where the protestors are expecting 1500 people to congregate over the week, a spokeswoman Sophie Stevens said the police were " flexing their muscles." The Met say all officers are being briefed to use their powers "robustly." Tonight we'll be debating protest in a free society, and whether the recent terror attacks - including the one at glasgow airport change the rules.

Conservatives
"A tax cut by any other name," is how John Redwood head of one of David Cameron's policy review groups described Conservative plans to cut 拢14 billion in red tape and regulation for UK businesses per year. But will easing regulation such as data protection laws, scrapping Home Information Packs, relaxing rules on hours and health and safety regimes be better or worse for business, and would it put a Conservative government on a collision course wih Europe and open up a damaging split again. Speaking to the Financial Times, the Shadow Chancellor George Osborne said a Conservative government would " pick a fight" with Brussels to achieve cuts in red tape. John Redwood, one of the most senior politicians on the right of David Cameron's Conservative party will be live in the studio.

Sewers
Tomorrow promises to be a wild wet and windy day with the threat of more floods in England and Wales, and flash floods to boot. Can our sewers and drainage systems cope? Luckily for Newsnight our Culture correspondent Steve Smith knows all about underground Britain - not the counterculture but diabolical drains, and he's even written a book on the subject. He has been investigating the best and worst of our subterranean structures. He'll be sharing it with us tonight.

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  • 1.
  • At 07:40 PM on 13 Aug 2007,
  • Bob Goodall wrote:

Dear Newsnight

Instead of custodial sentences for non violent crime why not put them in labour gangs to work in undesirable places like the sewers. Wouldnt 10 years working in a sewer be a real deterrent ie to White collar criminals?

Re Rove, it reminds me that all politics ends in failure, that is unless Politicians try to serve others and not themselves

re Rove, I have my own private view about him which I would not wish to share, people will have different views but as a Christian, and in common with anyone who has a faith, at the end of our lives believe /know we will be held to account for the way we have behaved and treated others,

Bob

Another down - two more to go... Karl Rove's departure to "spend more time with his family" (does he have one?) looks like a good sign of a r茅gime meltdown in DC: Rumsfeld sacked, Libby guilty, (John) Bolton not confirmed, Wolfowitz forced out... Yum-yum! Who's left? Cheney, in denial & definitely disillusional (if not going senile) and dear old Condom-leezza Rice Pudding, sweet old thing, and about as 'dear' as the bumbling Goering was to Hitler. She does her best, poor old soul...

What I want to see is History wreaking its wrath on this band of fascist cronies, but will it ... ever?

The horrors of what's been done - and/or undone, and/or not done - in the last six and a half years will infect this world for decades.

Who'll pay the price? That's what I wanna know!

Leezza used to make my stomach curdle. Now, she seems like the most rational official left in the White House.

It's so sad that my instinct is to suspect Rove's excuses for leaving. This is the sad state that he has left American politics in: nobody trusts you even when you're gone. I can't enjoy the fact that he's leaving, because it just reminds me that he made it so far. Rove may resign, but he'll never be gone.

  • 4.
  • At 10:46 PM on 13 Aug 2007,
  • David Nettleton wrote:

Did Evan Davies call Fiona Bruce 'Sophie' on the 10 tonight? if he did 'off with his head'.

  • 5.
  • At 10:51 PM on 13 Aug 2007,
  • Simon Cooke wrote:

I wonder if the American people realise how lucky they are. Even if their own TV stations don't cover American politics, they must be chuffed to bits that the 大象传媒 Domestic service in the UK - both the "flagship" 10 pm news & Newsnight have covered Karl Rove's resignation. And Newsnight has covered it in such detail that the people in the UK will be more enlightened about a person who is absolutely irrelevant to the UK.
On a day when a large stretch of a main UK motorway was shut for the best part of 24 hours due to a gun crime. A gun crime which has gotten less attention on UK TV than the gun incident in Virginia, US a few months ago. There really is no point to the 大象传媒 any more. Can it be shutdown? PLEASE?

  • 6.
  • At 11:01 PM on 13 Aug 2007,
  • Mark Solomon wrote:

So another party-before-country (and, by implication, party-before-humanity) Republican makes the tired old excuse of needing to spend more time with his family and appears to depart the political scene.

What I find unfathomable is how this odious man, an apprentice of Donald Segretti's "dirty tricks" operation during the nadir of Watergate is feted by Republican commentators for "his many years of public service".

Surely "public service" is serving the widest possible community without consideration for anyone's political leanings, sexual orientation or (quasi-)religious philosophy.

Throughout his period at the side of George W. Bush, Rove has practised the most venal "winner takes all" variety of party politics, whilst being party to to demonising of the gay community as well as Muslims and the exploitation of fear and prejudice through the Evangelical Christian movement.

I live in hope that the committees investigating the various abuses of power in the White House don't take their foot off the pedal just because the President's Brain (Could there be the possibility of being damned with fainter praise? I have things living in my fridge that are more intelligent than this "president"!) has chosen to retreat back to Texas to the bosom of his family.

Over 3500 American servicemen will never get the opportunity to make such a gracious exit and Rove should be forced to carry the shared guilt of their unnecessarily shortened lives to his grave, as should the rest of the people who created the myth of WMD to support an illegal carpet-bagging war - a war that has made America less safe and detracted from the real need to counter religious fundamentalism and the politics of hate and intolerance.

  • 7.
  • At 11:10 PM on 13 Aug 2007,
  • b.keeliher wrote:

Each Briton uses 750Tonnes of CO2 in a lifetime. Equivalent to 620 flights between London and New York,theOptimum Population Trust warns. If CO2 is the prime factor in global warming why is it that the exploding world population[ 6billion in 2000,6.6 billion in 2006 ] is not taken into account as the biggest threat to the planet Earth today.

  • 8.
  • At 11:23 PM on 13 Aug 2007,
  • Gary wrote:

On the item about sewers this evening, on a few occassions it was mentioned that "unless we take positive steps to protect ourselves" we would all be liable to flooding. No suggestions as to what those steps would be were proposed. Come on Newsnight - give us something to work for don't just scaremonger!

  • 9.
  • At 12:10 AM on 14 Aug 2007,
  • David Bateman wrote:

The Sewer item.
No, No, for pity's sake NO!
Don't start putting even more background music with your documentaries. Steve Smith's treatment of the subject of our inadequate urban sewers that are unlikely to cope with new climatic conditions was casually ill-mannered.
But intentionally so, to his rather manic yet very polite little colleague, weather forecaster Dan Corbett.
But the item had an overall tenor, that made me hope not to have to witness his reportage of anything again.
Just what production cost did that sound-track add to the item I wonder?
Overall, It's a dreadful galloping disease trend throughout such productions that needs to be stopped right now as excessive aural sewerage, along with its visible counterpart; that super-hype, visual-link animation rubbish, that so often tastlessly wrecks the end of sober or heart-rending programmes. Come on the Beeb, renew your old standards of good taste!

  • 10.
  • At 04:03 AM on 14 Aug 2007,
  • David Silverman wrote:

Does Newsnight have a product placement deal with Special Brew or were you just trying to make the Heathrow protestors look like a bunch of crustie wasters?

  • 11.
  • At 05:27 AM on 14 Aug 2007,
  • Simon wrote:

You should have challenged George Monbiot about flying over here to take part in the protest. Gore, Monbiot, Livingstone et al continually lecture us about flying whilst happily jetting around the planet themselves.

  • 12.
  • At 07:17 AM on 14 Aug 2007,
  • Brian Kelly wrote:

For the first time in months John Redwood gave "Newsnight" a bloody nose...Kirsty Wark tried to interrupt his flow many times with pro Labour jibes...he just walked (talked) all over her..lets see more of this from the Tories.

  • 13.
  • At 09:44 AM on 14 Aug 2007,
  • steve wrote:

Sir, Re the Heathrow protests, did Kirsty have to be so heavy on the protester? She reminded me of a shock horror front page in the Sun.'Are you going to be violent?' and 'do you intend climbing the perimiter fence? and the standard get out of the establishment....'do you condemn any violent action by the protesters' Kirsty has to be fair and even-handed and what these people are doing is worthwhile and necessary. Kirsty and I would not scale perimeter fences in a million years but some people, mainly young and worried about what legacy we are going to leave to our grandchildren deserve some measure of support with what is ranged against them. Heathrow does not need another T5, we have to look at this again. Kirsty obviously flies three times a week. Sincerely, Steven Calrow.

  • 14.
  • At 12:44 PM on 14 Aug 2007,
  • csharp wrote:

The ubiquitous Steve Smith descends into the olfactory underworld to wander the wet halls of nasty Neptune?

Did our modern Mayhew, wading down some deep warm passage,hope to startle some mermaids or Morlochs only to see there, scrawled on the wall in large letters, 'Harry Lime was here'?

  • 15.
  • At 01:39 PM on 14 Aug 2007,
  • Francis O'Brien wrote:

Has the use of road travel been taken into account. i.e. journeys to and from Heathrow and the amount of CO spewed out? It would make more sense to make use of other airports around London - such as Stanstead.
The proposed expansion has a protest from the local NIMBYs. There is now an enviromental awarenes amongst those happy to travel to Heathrow or Gatwick airports by motorway rather than the one on their doorstep.

  • 16.
  • At 02:06 PM on 14 Aug 2007,
  • Richard Bointon wrote:

My colleagues & I fly on business frequently. The drive up and down the country to London is a regretable CO2 contribution. We try and avoid London if at all possible but the lack of destinations from provincial airport limits our choices. We would much rather see an expansion at Bristol, Exeter, Cardiff airports and break the BAA monopoly.

  • 17.
  • At 02:27 PM on 14 Aug 2007,
  • Paul Holden wrote:

I was initially a bit taken aback by the description of Conservative voters as "the blue rinse brigade". Then I realised that the reporter was Robin Brandt who famously described Conservative voters on Today in the following terms "Most of them are over sixty. They鈥檙e white, they鈥檙e middle class. I was thinking earlier perhaps half of them can鈥檛 hear without the aid of something mechanical." 大象传媒 - biased? Whatever gave me that impression.

  • 18.
  • At 02:49 PM on 14 Aug 2007,
  • the cookie ducker wrote:

I wish i had time to protest, and there are a lot of things i would like to protest about, sadly i am to busy working, no cheques from mummy and daddy were ever sent to keep my sorry arse afloat so i could concern myself fully with the burgeoning bogus enviromentalist cause and having the chance to walking around a field with a dreddlock hairdo and a dog called lentil at my side; i'll be the lone protester for the 'airport expansion plans' to be built with my placard in hand, waving it in the air and breathing in those burnt aviation noxious fumes, who is with me on this noble cause of winding up the enviromentalist?...anybody?

  • 19.
  • At 09:08 PM on 14 Aug 2007,
  • JOHN PARFITT wrote:

Paul Holden is right. The 大象传媒 used to be a repository of serious news comment and analysis. Not any more. Stereotyping is OK sometimes if it's based on fact but when did anybody outside the 大象传媒's making-things-up department last use blue rinses? It's all blonde streaks these days isn't it? And on stereotyping can the 大象传媒 stop describing John Redwood and anyone else who disapproves of the EU as 'hard-right' as if it were some kind of crime? You can leave that to your very ex social affairs editor whose rant in the Guardian (not of course having read Redwoods's paper) was typical of the genre. It would have been helpful to our understandng if you had done the interview after the paper had been published instead of as John Kelly pointed out making a complete hash of getting the 大象传媒's retaliation in first.

  • 20.
  • At 11:10 PM on 14 Aug 2007,
  • Andrew wrote:

One of the problems with journalism is that too many journalists aren't subject matter experts. Monbiot has made this point in the past with respect to climate science coverage.

Kirsty reinforces that point when she throws at Monbiot the "fact" that "according to NASA now 1998 is no longer the hottest year, 1934 was; so surely there are still arguments to be had over climate change".

No there aren't any arguments to be had.

A brief bit of research into that "fact" shows that it relates to the US and not to the Global Temperature record and, moreover, the revelation takes what was previously a statistical tie between the two years and turns it into...a statistical tie between the two years. It makes not one bit of difference to the overall trend.

I realise that Monbiot talked around the point and it ended up being somewhat incidental to the piece but it's not helpful to have journalists of Kirsty's calibre contributing to the confusion with this type of sloppy reporting.

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