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A QUESTION FOR MR GRADE,SHOULD THE POLICE BE INVESTIGATING THIS DECEPTION AS I AM SHURE THIS IS STILL A CRIMINAL OFFENCE

Dear Newsnight

No offence, but the future of the 大象传媒 is about 10 times more interesting than Europe, ITV and Bhutto.

I think the future of the 大象传媒 deserves another slot in the Newsnight programme tonight since it was today that Mr Thompson revealed the job cuts and his vision for the future which many people would like to question.

Gordon Brown, is not the sole architect of the UK's current position in europe, and should not be considered in that way. Tony Blair, John Major and Margaret thatcher have played more significant roles in how the public at large percieve the European union, constitution or not.I don't see where our sovereignty has been challenged. We still ahve the pound, a diabolical immigration policy, substandard school education, and an ineffective police force. What in the constitution will change any of that?

Mr Grade quickly condemned the 大象传媒 for their slips in this direction.

If you must run those sort of shows which require audience participation,
it is important to check that all are doing the job properly.

Was it Mr Hain who called the original Constitution a 'tidy up'? Apparently the EU gets control of the UK oil during an energy crisis.

Can someone put the original constitution and the new treaty side by side and show what exactly has been taken out. Then we can see if there has been significant change. Everyone who has done this exercise comes to the conclusion its the same document.

Did ITV choose today to bury bad news? Apparently only 1% of people take up the offer of a refund?

1) When Michael Grade was interviewed on this general issue on Newsnight not too long ago, an ex-colleague of his effectively said that Michael and he weren't exactly blind to such practices in their day. Michael Grade, I recall, visibly blanched as if he was being 'outed'.

So please, let's not play the innocents tonight... please.

2) On Europe:

/blogs/newsnight/2007/10/tuesday_16_october_2007.html

3) Is it now offensive to report what's published in the international scientific literature and in our own (and the USA government's) agency published education tests?

Isn't it time we stopped spinning and faced reality?

Surely Mr. Cameron should promise to reverse the EU reform treaty when he becomes Prime Minister

Whats the point, mention Europe to the average UK moron/citizen and they go off on one. 99% dont know anyhting about the treaty and the same ammount would vote against it .... because its got Europe in it!

I'm with Ed - there may be bigger stories in the world than the 大象传媒 re-structure, but let us face it, they will never be covered in the way they deserve in the future if this rapacious decimation is allowed to be implemented.

I think you should devote the whole programme to this tonight, but have a 20% shorter programme, with the 'gap' being filled by a video of a brazier on the barricades to give a message to the imbeciles running the 大象传媒 that this will simply not be tolerated !!!!!

Please get Mr Thompson on TV to explain to us what he had to say to 大象传媒 staff. We are stakeholders and not only want to know but need to know.

As for bandishing 'quality' as reason for chosing specific cuts, we should hear what 大象传媒 top brass means by it. More importantly, how will they recognise 'quality program' before they fund it.

Will 大象传媒 management run open sessions for viewers and licence payers across UK to find out what we want? And can they announce that in good time and keep doors open to allcomers?

Please do not let public down as you are publicaly funded service.

Dare you to open up the show with the new 2007 version of Joni Mitchell's 'Big Yellow Taxi', as it seems people are belatedly waking up to the fact that we 'won't know what we've got till it's gone...'

Was it ever thus...

Europe.

The answer to the first part - Yes!

The answer to the second part - No!

But then again you know that only too well....

So now producers are sending emails on the content of Newsnight? Is it the task below all presenters except Gavin Esler? Bring him back please.

"As part of Newsnight's democracy series, filmmaker Sabiha Sumar met Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf."

Tonight's sad events in Pakistan seek to emphasise how important factual, accurate and fearless reporting like the above are to getting a proper world view from the 大象传媒. Will films like the above be the first casualties in the war for cost savings ? I hope not, but fear the worst..

Re#7

Probably the word 'if' might be more prudent than 'when'.... Cameron becomes PM.

A book - 1200 pages of it - produced by Brussels, entitled Directory of Community Legislation in Force, lists all the decisions, directives, regulations etc., thousand after thousand of them; enabled by the transfer of sovereign 'powers' ceded in various Treaties, and which now sit within the EU's INALIENABLE POSSESSION.

The phrase for this as I've mentioned several times on the blog is....AQUIS COMMUNAUTAIRE and it is a phrase that needs to be rammed into every single debate before this lot is over.

Once power has been ceded it becomes set in stone and can NEVER be returned or claimed back: it is gone from a Nation's ownership FOREVER!

So it follows that red lines and 'red herrings' aside, neither Cameron nor anyone else could reverse Brown's ceding of the other 40 plus powers -including Immigration and asylum - after this infamous betrayal of Nations has been finally signed, sealed and delivered.

Further to #7 on spin, distortion and accountability: to illustrate jjust how endemic all this PC nonsense is in the West, note that when Sarkozy points out that the plight of Africa today is not to be laid at the door of past colonialism (GDP is highly correlated with mean IQ and the consensus now is that that GDP (like SES) is the dependent variable not the independent), it isn't Sarkozy who's branded a 'racist' by France's most famous living philosopher, Bernard-Henri Levy, but Sarkozy's *speech-writer*. Yet no doubt it will be Sarkozy who gets the credit for anything that's perceved to be politically correct.

A lesson in the nature of 'credit assignment', modern absurdity and the failure of accountability.

Will we see more of it tonight over the ITV fiasco?

Ed (@ 07.08 PM on 18 Oct 2007)

No offence, but the future of the EU is about fifty million times more important than the future of the 大象传媒 et al.

It's about democracy, whereas your choice for "the most interesting" is about some kind of shallow entertainment.

大象传媒 Newsnight Staffers never reply to comments on the Web Site EVER they have no time MUCH to petty.

Last one was the "Oxbridge set" in joke with Peter Barron making a comment on Michael Crick's partner Lucy an exec 大象传媒 producer.

Crick did reply to say his partner Lucy indeed did made his first film !

What a hoot,other than that they have have no time for the blog..

Why Bother I ask ?

Richard

No offence taken. But your opinions (and mine and every other Joe Bloggs) as an individual regarding Europe count for almost diddly-squat. But your views / opinions / posts on the 大象传媒 at least have a bit more mileage because I presume a few 大象传媒 people, at least, will be reading our posts (so as to get an idea of what their viewers think) at this very important point in the history of the 大象传媒 (this might sound dramatic but there are lots of people who like to see it disappear - such as politicans - Gerald Kaufman for example - commerical broadcasters - and many of the public in general). As i said deabte further just today (because it was today that Mr Thompson announced the cuts).

So, again, I ask do people want a public broadcaster - if yes, then what kind of 大象传媒 do people want? I mean you just have to look at the inane rubbish and constant adverts you get on American television and on the continent to understand what I mean (and although we don't need such proof, pyschologists have measured the negative influence television can have on people's lives, in particular children). Through a quirk a fate we have a gem in the 大象传媒 - a proven provider of accurate, creative, innovative and original television. But it is being damaged by people in the 大象传媒 who are turning the corporation into a commercial-like broadcaster, thus makeing its programmes more inane, and also weakening its position for future funding because people will ask - what is the point of paying for the 大象传媒 when it is indisguishable from commercial broadcasters.

Some of Britain's top TV entertainers, including some paid almost as much as the ineffective Jonathon Ross, have lied and cheated the public in the ITV television phone scams. This is the face of commercial TV. The 大象传媒 and its audiences are duty bound to defend the corporation from privatization. A different funding formula is needed, as a tax per television is as outdated as the TV sets that existed when it was introduced.

I predict there will be a referendum on the EU treaty. In the face of public opinion polls, Brown will u-turn, and boldly state that a referendum is what was planned all along, as evidenced by the manifesto promise.

"For copyright reasons we cannot show this video".

Great to see that there are absolutely no obstacles to Thompson's view of a multi-platform world !!!!!

"For copyright reasons we cannot show this video". This is the message flashed on the web edition for overseas viewers during the ITN interview. Shameful....overseas viewers cannot see clips of Ant and Dec ripping off US viewers? Come on Newsnight and 大象传媒 - review the copyright restrictions that block most UK content to non-UK viewers.

#16 Excellent points made on Tuesday in:

/blogs/newsnight/2007/10/tuesday_16_october_2007.html

After the USA (see the video from ETS):

It will be Europe next many fear, and perhaps England first given the rate of low skilled immigration, their higher birth rates, and brighter people's lower TFR. The reaction to Watson is frankly ridiculous given the weight of evidence in the scientific literature and annual educational results at national level.

This is precisely why our civil disorder and other problems will just continue to get worse, as we are shooting our messengers. Clearly the 'extension' (and it will be in practical terms) of Human Rights through the EU Reform Treaty can only serve to reinforce the current trend.

This is Kafkaesque:

as it sadly tells us something about the pitiful state of science/ignorance in the country.

Fabulous Paxman grilling of Michael Grade who is talking legal bollocks:
in fraud cases, the fraudster's firm of lawyers does not indeed take the decision on whether to prosecute as
Paxman pointed out! Bring on PC Plod.

And of course the onus is on ITV to refund the money. Nonsense of Grade to suggest otherwise: if one of the online book purchase sites cannot fulfil online orders they take the initiative in organising a refund.

They remain open as well to a class action. 拢7m might not sound like a huge amount of money but it is 拢2m
more than Newsnight's budget. Ant & Dec have failed a Bush House Tucker theft test and 大象传媒 is right to call for heads to roll as they did at the Beeb .....

Apologies re my opening referal in #16 above; it should have read Re#8 not Re#7.

Europe.

Instead of inviting D. McShane to appear on the programme it would be simpler just to show a repeat of his previous, monotonously repetitive, attempted-wool-pulling responses.

He obviously believes, as must his equally fanatical fellow euro-federalists, Brown, Miliband, Murphy - particularly Murphy - et al, that the mental capacity of Newsnight audiences is that of ten-year olds!

With casual arrogance he dismisses the loss of 鈥渓ittle bits of sovereignty鈥� as he puts it.

He then makes the stupidly fatuous claim that as 44,000 words isn鈥檛 90plus percent of 160,000, that the Reform Treaty can鈥檛 possibly contain 90plus percent of the essence of the 鈥榝ailed鈥� Constitution document 鈥� this, in spite of straightforward admissions from political leaders right across the Continent that it does....the words 'abridge' or 'condense' probably hold no meaning for him.

He follows this with the unbelievably bald assertion that by implication pro-referendum people must all be right-wing Tories, whilst being fully aware that the 80percent, or four out of five voters who are demanding one, must come from all colours and quarters of the political spectrum; yet he still has the colossal crust to try to get away with it.

To add insult to injury he then insists that as referendums weren鈥檛 called by Thatcher and Major there is no 鈥榥eed鈥� to call one in this instance - and the hell with manifesto promises. How irrational can a man get? The fact that Thatcher and Major failed to seek the Nation's approval is PRECISELY why the Nation - if it wishes to remain a nation - CANNOT let it happen ever again and both Brown and Blair therefore MUST be brought to account at the highest possible level for indulging themselves in what amounts to the greatest betrayal of trust in the Country鈥檚 history; a betrayal that in former times would have been considered to be no less than high treason.

People have at long last started to wake up to the acquisition-by-deception-and-stealth tactics that have brought the euro-project thus far. And had people realised at the time of the signing of previous treaties just how much was being ceded 鈥� supposedly in their name 鈥� they would have made a far bigger shout than they are starting to make right now.

I found the Grade piece fascinating - was it intended as parody?

Celebrity figures frantically caper in the media to get popular attention.
People are encouraged to participate by voting.
Votes are portrayed as meaningful and having some effect on decisions.
Voters have to pay but don't know where the money goes.

Hidden from public scrutiny the 'elite' ignore the votes and decide the outcome themselves.
As their decision does not agree with the majority vote this confirms in their minds that they are an elite.
When there is talk of the police being called in to investigate it seems some lawyers can be found who will say there was no crime to answer.

So the 'elite' get to make the decisions, and when their self-interest is discovered they get to judge themselves. The outcome is that their contrived decisions stand, and none of them are punished.

On TV scams - it is reflective of the terrible state of our media which does not seem to be able to make programmes anymore, unless they have some daft phone competition attached to it. Even CSI, the only fairly well scripted drama still on TV, has been turned into some kind game show! All we get ia game shows, repeats, sport, and phone in competitions. Now the news programmes are being cut I am thinking of getting rid of my TV, and just getting a better computer link! What exactly is the point of television any more - as the media seems to continually shoot itself in the foot, and has now joined the criminal fraternity!

No-one mentions that the odds are hopelessly against anyone winning, on any of these phone-in bets, paticularly as the deadlines keep getting extended. All the channels are guilty but ITV is particularly bad. It is people's desperation for more money that drives this kind of TV so the whole genere is really reflecting the pretty dire state of UK society as a whole, debt-ridden, broke and ready do anything, to try and make a fast buck.

What on earth does Jonathan Ross do to earn his million pound salary??? That money could surely be spent on quality drama and documentaries - not Ross's inane, absurd, chat show that panders to a parasitic celebrity fetish so destructive to our culture. This kind of show, like phone in gambling scams, bores the pants of anyone with any brains at all!

Neil
Thank you for the reply

No not really a question it was a follow-on to the comment made by poster number 14.

The concept of bloggs (i thought) was to exchange views,interact as for example the Guardian do very well and without exception their journalists and editors reply to opinions offered.It was just one example i selected to support evidence that your team seem to only reply if it's pertinent to their domestic situation.
Many thanks

The draft of July Reform Treaty was available as four PDF files:

July Draft
1) 1495 KB
2) 0572 KB
3) 0641 KB
4) 0079 KB

The 'same' four PDF files in the October draft:

1) 1483 KB
2) 0715 KB
3) 0310 KB
4) 0085 KB

The 53 Article Fundamental Charter of Human Rights (2000/2007), (note, not the 1950 18 Article Fundamental Convention on Human Rights which our 15 Article Human Rights Act (1998) was based) *was* in file three. First, just look at the chronology of the ECHR (1950), UK HRA (1998) and the FCHR (2000).

Secondly, it seems that what they have done is *reference* documents in both the July, and again in the October, Reform Treaty in order to cut down the size and make the whole process more opaque. That seems to be a good part of the reason why the number of words has fallen from the original Constitution to the Reform Treaty and from file 3 in July to October.

So, the way that Denis MacShane (aka Denis Matyjaszek) put the relationship between the original EU Constitution document and the July Reform Treaty is rather misleading to say the least, as one could just look at the change between the July to the October draft to pick up on what's been going on.

Jim Murphy is not much better (see his website and previous comments on his constituency demographics and the proportionality spin remarked upon elsewhere, as whilst it may comprise over half to 80% of the Jewish population of Scotland, this would seem to be no more than 3.5% of his constituency). David Miliband is hardly a paragon of transparency either, and this chicanery has not gone unremarked upon by the HoC European Scrutiny Committee in the last two evidence sessions.

On 16th October, Miliband stooped to playing the WWII persecuted minority card in response to a 'Peace in Our Time' appeasement remark by the European Scrutiny Committee chairman.

Here's a reminder, of the remarks from currently (allegedly) 'Stalinist' Russia (the New Left, largely a creation of Ralph Miliband, is also, allegedly, essentially Trotskyite, hence the anarcho-capitalism air to New Labour I suggest) in order to widen the context of what *may* be going on (but see the gmwatch articles below). I don't necessarily mean to imply that any of these people are wilfully engineering anything (see the Standards Site PDF on 'unwitting racism', they may in fact, just be incompetently dealing with very complex matters thinking that they're a lot smarter than they actually are.

I guess the lesson is to be wary of subterfuge and tangled webs (see comments).

The 16th October evidence session:

For anyone offended by James Watson's recent remarks, I suggest they look at the official education data for the Key Stages:

especially:

If not too offended by those data, look further, i.e. to the Home Office figures from the Youth Justice Board, and the crime and rate of imprisonment generally showing offending rates for ethnic groups relative to their population base rates. Muslims, incidentally (and somewhat ironically given all the talk of 'the war on terror'), are statistically under-represented in offending and imprisonment, possibly through the influence of Islam).

If James Watson can be treated this badly for telling the truth, what does one think's happening elsewhere to thousands of others? Statements made by so called experts in The Times article of the 19th October:

are grossly ill-informed to say the least. Who is going to tell them, and why should we listen to any of these people on other matters if they get this so radically wrong? An APA Task Force 1996 essentially vindicated the Bell Curve (which was not about race and intelligence anyway, it was about class and intelligence). The work has moved on since 1996.

In the light of this all this spin, perhaps some comments on entryism in science are in order (although, how one discriminates between Trotskyite 'entryists' and people who just don't know what they're talking about these days is a very difficult call):

or just put LM into SEARCH at the gmwatch.org site.

I have to say in passing that it does appear to be the case that the empirically well documented higher mean IQ (largely verbal, usually a female characteristic) found within the Jewish people (note, a frequencies issue, some=not(all), does appear to render (some of) them disproportionately more gifted at spin (perhaps at the expense of the sober realities of life?).

I enjoyed the interview with Mark Francois and Dennis McShane. I did think Mark Francois was let off the hook by not being asked if the Tories would support or oppose the treaty either in parliament or in a putative referendum. It seems to me that the referendum issue is being used by the conservatives to avoid taking a position on the treaty itself.

Neil replies

"Can't tell you how desperate we all are for inspiration first thing in the morning"

Well
It's 19.50pm Friday night and still no Newsnight web-site for Friday so yes you do need ideas !

U.K.I.P.are like policemen never around when you need them.They are never in the news telling you what their policies are the only time you hear from them is at election time I wish they would become more outspoken and let people know what they are about I will support any party that gets us out of Europe completely we've done well without them for years the only thing we have done with them is to pay them loads and loads of money and loans hour power of sentencing of criminals.it was stated that the British people are waking up to all the lies about europe I am afraid not enough of them are waking up to it sole come on U.K.I.P.pull your finger out and let's hear from you you won't be heard if you do not speak.What I would really like to see is Britain out of Europe and America out of Britain their backsides having taste for long enough by Britain so get rid and let's get the great back into Britain .

U.K.I.P.are like policemen never around when you need them.They are never in the news telling you what their policies are the only time you hear from them is at election time I wish they would become more outspoken and let people know what they are about I will support any party that gets us out of Europe completely we've done well without them for years the only thing we have done with them is to pay them loads and loads of money and loans hour power of sentencing of criminals.it was stated that the British people are waking up to all the lies about europe I am afraid not enough of them are waking up to it sole come on U.K.I.P.pull your finger out and let's hear from you you won't be heard if you do not speak.What I would really like to see is Britain out of Europe and America out of Britain their backsides have been kissed for long enough by Britain so get rid and let's get the great back into Britain .