Thursday, 17 April, 2008
- 17 Apr 08, 05:33 PM
Terror trial verdict
A few moments ago, the Muslim activist Abu Izzadeen and five others were found guilty on terror-related charges. Izzadeen and one of the other convicted men, Simon Keeler, have been convicted of fundraising for terrorists and inciting terrorism overseas. Both men have been the subject of a series of revelatory Newsnight reports in recent years. Our reporter Richard Watson will bring you the definitive story of the two men and of Al Muhajiroun - the organisation they were at the heart of.
Brown in the USA
The roads are repaved, the traffic's stopped, the flags are flying and the crowds have turned out in their tens of thousands to welcome the foreign visitor.
The problem is, they've come to see the Pope, not Gordon Brown.
The first mention of Gordon Brown's visit comes on page 14 of the New York Times. The second - a brief headline - states 'Brit leader visits US in Pope's shadow'.
Unfortunate clash perhaps, but then again Gordon Brown never claimed he could fill a baseball stadium and anyway, he has people to meet.
Today, he's been given audiences with Democratic Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and their Republican rival John McCain.
So which of the candidates does our PM see eye to eye with? We'll be speaking to McCain's special advisor live on the programme and asking what the special relationship would look like under their stewardship.
Zimbabwe
The opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai has called for the South African President to step down as an intermediary in the election negotiations. His frustration with the process is palpable. But it is odd that his words come just as Thabo Mbeki has finally abandoned soft diplomacy to himself call for the prompt release of Zimbabwe's election result, twenty four hours after Gordon Brown demanded the same thing in the starkest terms at the UN. Is the international community's approach towards Zimbabwe changing? Will it give Mr Tsvangirai the endorsement he needs to claim victory?
Immigration: A tale of two papers
IMMIGRANTS BRING MORE CRIME - the Mail screams today. It claims to be interpreting a report by Chiefs of Police.
MIGRANT CRIME WAVE A MYTH - sang the Guardian yesterday (and some 大象传媒 bulletins too) and yes, they'd been reading exactly the same report.
Who's right? Well, having been through the report it doesn't really endorse either view - indeed it tells us very little that's new.
So why does the debate on immigration always get hijacked so quickly? And is there ever a real chance of getting to the facts, when the very word is so emotive?
We'll debate that tonight with media commentators on left and right.
Join me, at 10.30pm
Emily
Comment number 1.
At 18th Apr 2008, Bill Bradbury wrote:The presenter kept her cool over the usual outrageous statements by Abu Izzadeen. I just wonder why the 大象传媒 gives any airtime to such although it demonstrates how we tolerate??? free speech. He just wanted to rant over the usual mantras that Muslims in this country have a legitimate claim to attack the USA and its allies even justifying it by treatement of the blacks and others in the past in the USA.
I suppose it helps us to confirm our view of why do we put up with these people? If they tried to say and do half of the things in some Muslim countries they would be in serious trouble. Go and peddle your hate elsewhere!
What would be the reaction if the 大象传媒 allowed a more extreme spokesperson of the BNP on the programme that, say, advocated the repatriation of all immigrants to their own countries? (obviously ignoring that many are 3rd. and 4th. generation British Citizens). There would be an outcry with the doors of the 大象传媒 picketed as happened at an Oxford Union debate.
However once again, well done Emily? for keeping your cool.
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Comment number 2.
At 18th Apr 2008, midnightPantsman wrote:Mr Crick must have visited the Gordy Broon hairdresser lovely coiffure compared to the night before !
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Comment number 3.
At 18th Apr 2008, M_Rock wrote:@1 Billbradbury - The BNP have been represented on Newsnight (remember Griffin's Islam - Drugs link?) and the repatriation theory has been has been heard before. And surely the students had a right to picket the talk at the Oxford Union, as much right as Griffin had to go and talk in there. Or are you denying the right to picket?
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Comment number 4.
At 18th Apr 2008, bucko83 wrote:The cowed atmosphere of dhimmitude pervading the Newsnight studio last night produced no-one to even mention the intolerant, medievil, vindictive nature of sharia law that intimidates its followers as much as its enemies.
Confronted by Abu Izzadeen, the spokesman for Al Muhajiroun celebrating 9/11 and 7/7, and demanding implementation of sharia law in Britain, a multiculturally correct Keith Vaz could only respond with 鈥淚 don鈥檛 agree鈥.
It may be admirable for the 大象传媒鈥檚 interviewer to keep her cool but abdicating responsibility to allow these views to be expressed without criticism gives the views legitimacy and respect.
It was a heavy-handed editorial decision to avoid all confrontation and debate - Emily challenged none of Abu Izzadeen鈥檚 statements, and just asked her own questions. Keith Vaz was interviewed across the same table but separately - debate was excluded when it was cried out for, without explanation.
Every license-fee payer is entitled to an explanation. The 大象传媒 has shown yet again how it adheres to the establishment acceptance of multicultural correctness and how destructive it is to try have no opinion at all.
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Comment number 5.
At 18th Apr 2008, bucko83 wrote:The cowed atmosphere of dhimmitude pervading the Newsnight studio last night produced no-one to even mention the intolerant, medievil, vindictive nature of sharia law that intimidates its followers as much as its enemies.
Confronted by Abu Izzadeen, a spokesman for Al Muhajiroun, celebrating 9/11 and 7/7 and demanding implementation of sharia law in Britain, a multiculturally correct Keith Vaz could only respond with 鈥淚 don鈥檛 agree鈥.
It may be admirable for the 大象传媒鈥檚 interviewer to keep her cool but abdicating responsibility to allow these views to be expressed without criticism gives the views legitimacy and respect.
It was a very heavy-handed editorial decision to avoid all confrontation and debate - Emily challenged none of Abu Izzadeen鈥檚 statements, and just asked her own questions. Keith Vaz was interviewed across the same table but glaringly separated - debate was excluded without explanation.
Every license-fee payer is entitled to an explanation. The 大象传媒 has shown yet again how it adheres to the establishment acceptance of multicultural correctness and how destructive it is to try have no opinion at all.
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Comment number 6.
At 18th Apr 2008, Bill Bradbury wrote:M.Rock. Denying the right to picket" as I am one who has been on more picket lines than I care to remember, plus demos of various causes which take my fancy.
Concerning the Oxford demo I may have demoed against the demonstation as, if I recall, they were trying to prevent Nick Griffin speaking at all. The point I was making, (very badly if your repsonse is to go by) was the forebearance of the Newsnight presenter and that extreme views of any kind can attarct any demo or views that prevent free speech depending if you agree or not with what is being said. I personally took offence at Izzadeen's remarks, but at least the debate shows what we are up against. These people exist!
I am all for both but the point I make is that we have heard these rants before, no matter from whom it is coming. Do we give the oxygen of debate/air time to Griffin and Izzadeen or, as I infer, we adopt the laws of many Arab/Muslim countries and lock them up or worse? i.e. no free speech.
That is why we are lucky to live in a country that does allow free speech and demonstations, but there again that is a matter of opinion especially if you had been through the miners' strikes and the treatment they got from the police. It always depends upon which side of a debate you are on.
I recall the adage " the country is divided into two sets of people. Those who agree with you and the blind, ignorant. prejudiced fools". Which side are you on?
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Comment number 7.
At 18th Apr 2008, M_Rock wrote:Billbradbury. I think it's a credit to the UK media that these types of views are expressed. Most other countries wouldn't allow it, not just the Arab ones. Surely it would be counter-productive to gag these extreme views, at least this way we know the views still exist and more work needs to be done.
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Comment number 8.
At 18th Apr 2008, Bill Bradbury wrote:M.Rock agree. You make my point more economically than my approach of why write one word when a few hundred will do.
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Comment number 9.
At 18th Apr 2008, daleys wrote:I appreciate the comments re 鈥榙imitude鈥; its got something to do with working in the News Media , I think!, anyway, Al Mahajiroun's representative, Anjam Chowdry(?), stated that 鈥楳uslims could not be judged in a UK court鈥. This view was not challenged, by his interviewer, and shows his true colours, as an Islamicist. No doubt, he thinks of us non-Muslims, as 鈥楰affirs鈥, and, of course, whilst we cannot Judge Muslims in our court, we can be judged, in a court, in a Muslim Country.
In his own faith, he is, of course, 鈥榟aram鈥.
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Comment number 10.
At 18th Apr 2008, LionelTiger wrote:Oh we love America ! Oh glorious country of Sitcoms ! Of course we get them over here. Oh and we love them so ! Hail Emperor Brown. For he is of our saviour. Hail Emperor Brown ! Forgive our recalcitrant behaviour !
And France thinks Sarcozy is an embarrassment.
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