Tuesday 9 September 2008
Here's Robert again with more details of tonight's programme.
Trades Union Congress
Just before we go on air tonight the Prime Minister, Gordon Brown will be holding a private meeting with trade union bosses. With the unions now firmly holding Labour's purse strings what will Mr Brown's message be? Some unions are threatening strike action over pay - while delegates have voted for a "windfall tax" on the profits of energy companies, at apparent odds with the Government's current policy. We will be speaking to one of those leaders and a cabinet minister.
Airline Plot Trial
Did US President Bush play a role in scuppering the airline terror trial? Security officials have expressed disappointment with the outcome of the terror trial in London in which three men were yesterday found guilty of conspiring to commit murder using home-made bombs. The jury didn't convict them on the central charge that they planned to blow up planes using liquid explosives disguised as soft drinks. They failed to reach verdicts on four other men. Richard Watson will be looking at how the pressure for early arrests in the case may have come from President Bush, even though he had reportedly been advised to wait by the then Prime Minister Tony Blair. Richard will also be examining how this reflects the different approaches of the British and Americans in terror investigations.
Knife Crime
Knife crime among young people is second only to terrorism as a threat to peace in London, according to police chiefs. Twenty young people have already died in the capital this year, compared to 16 across the whole of last year. Rarely have the voices of those closest to the problem been heard. Tonight on Newsnight we have a report from Andrew North who has been on the streets speaking to some of those who claim to carry knives - and those trying to avoid them.
Cardinal Newman
The Catholic Church is under growing pressure to abandon the exhumation and reburial of the body of one its most famous cardinals, in defiance of his wish to lie for eternity next to the man he loved. Gay rights campaigners have accused the Vatican - which has ordered the disinterment in the first step towards beatification - of attempting to cover up the sexuality of Cardinal John Henry Newman, who died in 1890. Gay rights campaigner, Peter Tatchell and Cardinal Newman's biographer will join us live.
Comment number 1.
At 9th Sep 2008, JadedJean wrote:RATIONALITY
We haven't a clue how it happened, but the chap invoked the memory of a dead cardinal, so , which means we can beatify him and given another recovery we can't explain, we can even recognize him as a saint.
If he was gay, isn't there a bit of a beatifying or canonizing him?
and - perhaps not our most rational achievements.
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Comment number 2.
At 9th Sep 2008, barriesingleton wrote:RATIONALITY 2
God made some animals with just one hole -the tortoise for example. A miracle of multitasking!
Being that ingenious, you would think he could manage to make men with two? Well, always assuming he meant them to . . .
I don't think the church has quite thought his through. Might you ask the usual suspects? Thought not.
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Comment number 3.
At 9th Sep 2008, midnightPantsman wrote:Well now Boris has enlisted Lily Allen re knife crime things will be better - I mean the way she impressed Elton John and crowd last week she is certainly a role model for kids
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Comment number 4.
At 9th Sep 2008, JadedJean wrote:THE CREDIT ASSIGNMENT PROBLEM
midnightPantsman (#3) Like so much else these days, it's all image isn't it? Does she essentially front others' work? Having looked at the credits on her album, I found myself asking how much of what she sings is attributable to the talents of people like ?
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Comment number 5.
At 9th Sep 2008, MarkW wrote:I find it odd that both the 大象传媒 and ITN are still using unnamed security experts to spread the message that the jury was somehow wrong to acquit all men on the charge to bring down aircraft. There is a wealth of expert evidence out there to show such a plot infeasible.
Dutch MEP, Jeanine Hennis-Plasschaert has for some time said that the liquids restriction does nothing to prevent terrorism and offers only the appearance of safety.
ITN even had a film ready.
Did the ITN expert use the same chemicals? Did he mix them in an aircraft toilet?
I have no doubt that some of these men are dangerous terrorists and should be locked up but the security theatre of a liquids ban is nonsensical.
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Comment number 6.
At 9th Sep 2008, NickThornsby wrote:I'm getting a bit worried with the very full glass of water on the desk next to Jeremy. A casual swing of the arm could send it flying and send water all over the computers!
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Comment number 7.
At 9th Sep 2008, Mistress76uk wrote:I knew Jeremy's intervew with government minister John Denham would be priceless! (JP to JD)"another way of putting that would be to say that you are making it up as you go along."
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Comment number 8.
At 9th Sep 2008, barriesingleton wrote:CONSPIRACY THEORY
One good reason to spoil an investigation is when its painstaking advancement might lead back to the spoiler.
Didn't something similar happen in The Ipcress File? It's at time like this you need to work out who your friends are. If Dubya says: "Listen to me" we must be prepared to shoot him.
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Comment number 9.
At 10th Sep 2008, kevseywevsey wrote:If the ear piece fails, phone a friend and get them to place their mobile near the TV set...so that they can hear Pax and Thatch, either that or did the hopeful digger-upper of cardinals-long-gone have a hot line to God?
I've never liked Peter Thatchell but he has from time to time taken up noble causes...well peter is a professional protester with time on his hands so must get his teeth into a just-cause now and again... but not this one peter! you ain't gonna make a gay icon out of this dead cardinal. Its a bit like when Adolf Hitler reinvented and revered Nietzhe's philosophy to benefit the Nazi party's ideology. (a somewhat poor analogy but you get the jist). The gay and lesbian fight has ended for the likes of Peter as they have all the same rights - if not more- than the rest of us now... so he's scrambling around for new projects...what next for peter? Caligula the misunderstood Roman brought up to date and into the 21 century. If the Cardinal happened to be buried next to a "life long friend" who happened to be a "woman"..peter would still be in Zimbabwe giving Bob a hard time. And as for the clergy wanting to dig up the Cardinal....well that's an even bigger disgrace.
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Comment number 10.
At 10th Sep 2008, NickThornsby wrote:Yet another disastrous 'down the line' interview last night. I have asked you on here before why you persist with the usual, completely unreliable way of doing these interviews.
Would it not be better from the remote interviewee to have a television set in front of them, with an earphone from it to their ear. Then they can see what is happening in the studio, and the television seems much more reliable than whatever system you use, which often ends up in a debacle such as the one last night.
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Comment number 11.
At 10th Sep 2008, bookhimdano wrote:those kids explaining their rationality were repeating rap song lyrics. ask them what music they listen to and which radio stations.
what alternative model of manhood is provided? Under the dominant nihilism and relativism there is no such thing as the good and so no model of man that is better than any other. Indeed the nihilists regard it as an oppression to say one model of man is 'better' than any other.
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Comment number 12.
At 10th Sep 2008, JadedJean wrote:ANTI-ISLAMIFICATIONISM AND HEGEMONY
As I see it, the constant 'toping up' of 'The War on Terror' (defunct as it is supposed to have become since Brown took over from Blair, this event is a couple of years old note) essentially serves Israel's and the USA's (NYC's) purposes in that with the much higher Total Fertility Rate of European Muslims, their commitment to family values, their leaning towards patriarchy (and autocracy and nepotism - see the PPP, Pakistan being yet another Iranian neighbour), their traditional , and most of all, their demographic growth coupled with secular Europeans' negative population growth, means that in the long run, Muslims' political values and wishes are likely to prevail in the European democracies if current trends continue (as they must given these trends) unless they are .
Their more politically active elements clearly do think there is a drive to secularise Muslims, perhaps in much the same way that in earlier decades if not centuries, Europe was de-Catholicised (and more recently de-Christianised) which LOWERED the birth-rate, and undermined ) through politically correct 'Human Rights' (cognitivism, feminism, equalities, anti-racism - which favours whom exactly?).
It's all in the demographics, however one looks at it. Surely the mistake is to think that the solution is to undermine those who appear to be doing something at odds with the rest of us, instead of the rest of us stopping doing what's clearly biologically unfit?
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Comment number 13.
At 10th Sep 2008, NickThornsby wrote:Oh, and by the way, would it be possible to have an explanation of why the interview was such a disaster, and why you have so many problems with these type of interviews?
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Comment number 14.
At 11th Sep 2008, ivegotanasbo wrote:Dear Jeremy and Team as copied to Mayor of London (rewritten).
Dear Boris Mayor of London,
I copied the following thoughts and idea to 大象传媒 2 Newsnight team recently after the issues around drug dealers, knife carriers etc in Camden Town鈥ere portrayed on that programme.
鈥淎 black male friend said to me."Don't have any (liberal left) pity for them, they are greedy little bastards who do it (rob etc) because they can"
I live on an estate in NW1. So see at first hand what is going on...
Re opportunities...Just for example: when I go somewhere like St Pancras Station and look around... none of the vast amount of employees there appear to come from our area 鈥 which is on its doorstep. When I asked I was told it may be because (if they applied) they were not up to standard. So, we need to know why is that? Could it be that in our area the drugs industry provides young guys (most are in fact) with everything they need so there is no need to look for legitimate work.
Good idea:
I bear in mind that now the 大象传媒 has to be careful of what it says (since WMD, Gilligan Labour Government censorship, license fee probs there off etc) but couldn't you do a report on the good news story about those countries who have dealt with the drugs problem by DECRIMINALISING (not legalising) drug use..
I believe Portugal, Switzerland and Italy are good examples.
London鈥檚 knife crime business has everything to do with controlling drug dealing territories. The killings and injuries could be curbed drastically if the bottom fell out of their drug market - which would happen were the state to become the 鈥榙ealers鈥 of drugs to addicts in conjunction with undertaking to help addicts sort out their lives!
NB: beside knives - a lot of these guys have taken to owning 'Staff鈥 type fight dogs. The Council allow them to be owned in council flats. (And how is it these guys are 'given' flats in the first place is another interesting question in this land of 'perverse incentives' - when French style Foyers for workers and apprentices who cannot live at home (not hostels) would be a better solution)?
Anyway, I feel I am being forced to move out of my council flat (make an exchange etc) because the Council is effectively hopeless at making these 鈥榰nemployed鈥 dog owner/dealer/tenants (whose housing and lives are subsidised by working taxpayers, notwithstanding their lavish earnings from dealing) to obey their tenancy agreements. I have tried to get some action against dogs here for months to no avail.鈥 Opinions welcome.
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