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As one not in the bubble, but suffering with my family the malign effects of those within daily, I shall preserve this quote for the chilling summary of the state of politics, and worse yet the state of its reporting in this new era: 'may have made the classic political mistake of simply telling the truth'

From the top deck. No. 5. Wednesday, 10 June 2009


Lets attempt to turn the clock back three years ..... How about three weeks?

Would my declaration, that follows, have gotten past the moderators then?

That said ...... Will it get past the moderator today?

I declare that I, JAperson, did willingly, knowingly and after due consideration, vote for the BNP.

You may now choose to skip to the next post, refer me to the moderator or try to get me sacked but ..... have a go a reading on?

I voted for the BNP because, as a Personnel Officer, I learnt a long time ago that one of the most effective ways to get an eMPloyee to do the job that he or she is paid to do, assuming that they are not doing it, is to get them to understand that they, the eMPloyee, are in danger of losing their jobs if they - lets be honest now, the MPs - do not fully, openly and honestly address the feelings of the electorate.

(Hey, its a tough old world out here, nobody should be uneMPloyed, should they? .... Not Nobody? [sic, but deliberate. Sorry.] )

If you take an interest in our society as some do, It was easy to anticipate the development of the far right as a political option - see my post for from the web team. 06.6.09 post no 31, and note the date and time of posting - but all parties, whilst dreading the thought of it actually happening, have consciously, willingly and decidedly chosen to ignore the possibility.

I used my single vote in the hope that the BNP, and the likes, would get the spotlight and be dealt with as the threat that they are. It wasnt a wasted vote!

If mainstream politicians do not listen to, accept and act upon the views of those that have become so disaffected with the imposed views of the Suited-Socialists and Liberal Libertines they, the elected politicians, are in danger of losing their jobs and the far right will continue to expand into the politics of the majority.

And that is - truly - no good thing!

All political parties have been gradually coerced and MPs threatened - with political castration - into, what can only be safely described as, near total disengagement with the electorate.

On the top of the bus - which it is usually said openly and honestly, unlike Westminster methinks - the issues more than any other that are voiced are those of integration and, specifically, immigration. No, not the legal type, the other one! The plebs are allowed within limits to voice concerns about the legal type i.e. EUers because that has little to do with non-caucasians.

And there arises my three main concerns about immigration:

The issue of migration into this country - and any other which, judging by the EU results, is in the same situation - is that it has absolutely nothing to do with Race, ethnicity, creed, colour, origins, ceratonin levels(?) or even which country you come from, it is SOLELY to do with numbers. ( The astute amongst you will notice that I have made no mention of religious beliefs simply because I believe that - all - religion has no place anywhere - especially in politics - other than in the heart and soul of the individual.)

The oft used .....If I go to a Doctor ...... I want to be able to understand his stroke her prognosis stroke diagnosis.

Does any individual human being, or any self isolating community, regardless of their religious beliefs, culture and ethnicity have the right in a civilised country in 2009 to believe that they have the right to subjugate half the population? And does any elected politician really have the permission of the majority of the people of the UK to ignore such arrogant disregard of the values of the GBP? .......


I think not.

Politicians, Please get your act together or .... Youre fired!


Oh, and ... Yes ....

Three Questions:

Has the Law Lords decision today have anything to do with Democracy?

Does the Human Rights Act super-cede the rights of the majority?

A post on the PM Egg-blog has suggested a PM Debate between Ms Chakrabarti and Mr Griffith .... Hmm! Both, opposite, query unacceptable, extremes of democracy ..... Are we allowed to throw eggs at both?

And for all you cynics out there ........

If both sides of an organisation - management and workforce - come to an agreement should a seemingly political decision - perhaps from a Public employee - be allowed to cancel that agreement?

Also .........

Simon Hughes ...... Oh, the semantics of the man!

Is he a Liberal Democrat by any chance?

Also regarding Conservative Shadow Health Secretary Andrew Lansley ..... Ever heard of a parapraxism? Usually very truthful, yes they are!

Incidentally ........

The delay in the moderation of yesterdays PM Egg-blog was a parallel - indictment? - of how slow stroke painful democracy can be. i.e. We have to agree with what you want to say before we can allow you to say it!

Yet another reason as to why we are in the social and political doldrums.

Today at PMQs, Gordi made a point of omitting the phrase "in real terms" from his sermon on public spending increases from Labour.

To paraphrase Andrew Neil today, we'll be faced with a choice at the next General Election between Gordi's cuts or Lord Snooty's cuts.

Nobody, particularly Gordi, has mentioned taxes yet.

If spending is increased in the public sector, taxes will go up, otherwise the Country's T-bills will be worth less than an Andrex 4-pack, and we'll be back on the slippery slope of bankruptcy - don't cry for us Argentina, Zimbabwe........

Re: Neologisms
It beats me why the lexico-numerical combination of 2 separate identities which form Web 02 should even be considered as a new word.
Web: Internet sense is from 1992, shortened from World Wide Web (1990); website is from 1994; webmaster is attested from 1993 /from Online Etymology Dictionary/while 2 stems from what seems like time immemorial.

The silence is deafening, but we can hear it, and we're watching.
One of the first issues discussed in PMQ was the BNP. Whilst eager to pour scorn and hatred on them, do Ministers no longer accept that citizen's have the right to vote for a candidate or the political party who will address the fundamental challenges that face our Nation and safeguard the future of this country for them and their children.
The public have every right to vote how they choose on issues that matter to them.
What was even more appalling is the lack of condemnation or any comment on the failure of the police to intervene against organised mob protesters. It is very worrying. Just imagine the action they would demand if it was they who were attacked.
It's sickening for Britain to witness union and main stream party funded activists mounting a campaign of media lies and go on to conspire against democracy.
This isn't Zimbabwe, but denying free speech and censoring elected opposition puts us on a Parr with, said dangerous dictatorships. Isn't that why people voted for the BNP because they have become disillusioned that mainstream politicians refuse to listen or represent their views.

As expected, election's over so end to expenses fiasco, and for many, all is forgiven. Now back to the economy, speaking of which, please stop calling the BNP 'far-right'. If they call themselves far-right, they're anarchists - and we're already 'governed' by and their ineffectual 'fringees' to the left and right of them.

I don't see what is newsworthy about the 'mistake' in mentioning the likely cuts in gov't spending, surely we all knew this was the inevitable legacy from bad financial control, bailing out banks and car makers. To me it is just another excuse for the adversarial Westminster style of parties slanging each other in order to cover up and avoid addressing the real issues. Haig's performance today was amusing, but just another episode of points-scoring.

Despite the shock and horror of the election results a full analysis and debate of the benefits and costs of immigration and population increase are still being avoided by Westminster and by Newsnight (why no BNP representative to respond to the left-wing extremist last night?) and I see no reason for #2 above to excuse him/her self for voting BNP, as did almost a million others. We bloggers should carefully study what changes are now being proposed to our parliamentary and electoral systems; they are bound to be agendas for politicians objectives rather than for greater public involvement. We should all be ready to take to the streets if this should be the case.

And talking of pigs, I thought it was an extreme knee-jerk reaction to ban the age-old practice of feeding pig-swill in UK after the single case where an unboiled batch was blamed for the massive cull several years ago. Surely, in the joint interests of economy and ecology, the government could lift that ban after imposing stricter controls and penalties?

HOUSE OF CARDS

shrinkingviole (#5) "Whilst eager to pour scorn and hatred on them, do Ministers no longer accept that citizen's have the right to vote for a candidate or the political party who will address the fundamental challenges that face our Nation and safeguard the future of this country for them and their children. The public have every right to vote how they choose on issues that matter to them. What was even more appalling is the lack of condemnation or any comment on the failure of the police to intervene against organised mob protesters. It is very worrying. Just imagine the action they would demand if it was they who were attacked."

What all that behaviour should prompt viewers, and the electorate in general, to ask, is who really are the bad guys? All I have seen so far is invective, smears, nefarious rhetoric and eggs thrown the BNP MEP's way. What I have yet to see or hear is any rational analysis, statements or questions put to them. This alarms me, as people usually only do this when they either have nothing rational to say, when they themselves don't want to hear something which challenges their comfort zone, or just don't want others to hear it.

That's what I fear is going on, one group's hegemony/status quo is being threatened....

Tube strike -given thousands in the real world are losing their jobs the petulance of the featherbedded rmt is just as bad as mps expenses?

"why no BNP representative to respond to the left-wing extremist last night?

It's all 'clever' propaganda.

These so-called 'left-wing' extremists are not in fact left-wing at all, they are Trotskyites - aka anarchists. They believe in democracy from below rather than an elected vanguaged or party managing an economy on behalf of the people (like a professional Civil Service). The latter are Stalinists or German National Socialists as in the 1930s. The German National Socialists were fighting Jewish Trotskyites because they saw them as being in cahoots (in terms of outcomes not necessarily intentions) with anarcho-capitalists. That's why the Von Mises acolytes fled Austria/Germany in the 1930s just as the Frankfurt School anarchists fled. Guess where they fled to? They are welcomed by Liberal-Democrats because they both work to achieve the same 'hands off' power-to-the-people ends, except, if you look at it closely, this means the people end up with no power as it's spresd too thinly, i.e individualism - they just become consumers. 'Soviets' were just unions or councils. In the 1920s and 1930s the USSR purged the Trotskyites and other members of the Left-Opposition as pro-capitalist subversives.

Our UK so-called 'extreme left-wingers' (Ted Grant and Tony Cliff were Jewish) are threatened by state-planners because the latter want to govern on behalf of the majority and at he expense of business. National Socialists are in fact very like Old Labour, i.e. they want the Means of Production (utilities, energy, transport, communications, agriculture etc) all to be in public ownership. They are statists but all three UK major parties are now anti-statist and pro-free-market. Ask yourself why we have had so much immigration - it's a demographic tool used to fragment/exhaust/divide communities and the state.

GET RID OF THE LEFT THE RIGHT AND THE CENTRE

I have written many times how I hate the word Green. I remember as a toddler going on holiday and spending all my time with my head in rock pools. My mum bought me a diving mask, and suddenly this out of focus world became clear. From that day on I was an ecologist.

There was a party in the early 80's called the Ecology Party. Then under some European standardisation they called themselves the Green Party.

It was brilliant. No one anymore had to understand the principles behind it. All they had to say was Green.

Once I had an English teacher Mr Morely. You were really in for it if you couldn't define a word without using the word in the definition. I take that with Green. Politicians appear and say this is a Green policy. Oh good it is Green. But very few ask them what they mean, Green protects the ignorant from the unknowing. So get rid of the word Green so we know what politicians and the media know about ecology and the environmental imperative. Green gone.

Now let's do the same with the left-right spectrum. Are we really so naive that we believe the vast number of political and economic ideologies can be explained in a one dimension Time warp dance "It's just a jump to the left. And then a step to the right".

There is one poster here who supports Green, but hates the right. But unfortunately in Europe there are some who he would consider 'far right' who are the most pro 'Green'. You know biker type, survivalist, Scandinavian, Norse Gods related to the spirituality of the natural world. Don't like the actions of big business and the state threatening their children and way of life by the destruction of the planet. Sensible really.

So let's get rid of this cloak of left-right simple ignorance. The parties, the media and us must never ever refer to left-centre-right ever again. We need to know exactly, totally and completely what they are really about. Everything. Simple if they don't tell us, we just vote for one that does. We can call this "The Better The Devil You Know Mandate". Open and transparent politics.

OK media and politicians, no more left right nonsense. You tell us what you are about. You mention left right or any other sort of stealth, diversionary nonsense, you get the buzzer-and your off-on your bike-Norman Tebbit like.

Interesting applying the Timewarp test to politics. Do you recall the first verse?




Celtic Lion

Spending cuts? Yes please. Imagine life without being assaulted by bullying, hectoring Government adverts every time you turn on the Radio or TV. Less jobsworths hounding and persecuting us. No more tax payer funded fake charities moaning at us about our drinking, smoking and eating habits. No more tame Professors funded to produce bogus reports whose sole aim is to give Government an excuse to fine us and tax us even more. No more Highways Agency people closing the Motorways for no good reason every time you want to go somewhere.

There are endless cuts that could be made which would improve the quality of life for the population. Let's hope they get to it soon.

SAVING MONEY IN THE NHS

Here we go again. The great plus of illness, to governments, is that the sick, more or less, do as they are told and amazing repairs can be achieved. This looks good on a government CV.

The trouble with many of 'the well', is they insist on getting sick as fast as they can, aided by intake of government-taxed crap.

Any fool can see that the trick is to find out (a) how the obstinate well, stay well and (b) to steer the others to wellness. Then the NHS can be scaled down - ergo: savings.

But this would require a totally different style of governance. No political fudge will come anywhere near what is needed.

Back to rocking and weeping . . .

On the spending cuts, there's little point in a false argument about whether or not some sort of cuts will be necessary over the next couple of years - virtually any sensible commentator has accepted such cuts will be necessary in one form or another. Instead, let's start a sensible debate and consultation about what we as a country can realistically afford and where the cuts should be made.

Spending and cuts, whatever you call them, tend to go in peaks and troughs over time. The public sector has had more than its share of extra money over the last decade (and I work in the public sector!) so perhaps it's time for a little thrift.

'A gunman armed with a rifle has shot and killed a guard inside Washington DC's Holocaust museum before being wounded in turn, city police say.

The guard died of his injuries and the gunman is in critical condition, officials said after the incident which sowed panic among visitors.

Reports say the gunman is an American aged 89 with white supremacist links. '

Thats the thing about the far right - you just can't trust them to behave decently or rationally.

If its not the Baby P batterer (an act of far right courage by a Hitler lover); or the Lowestoft "SS manual" would-be train bomber or the paedophile and wannabe far right nail bomber or the Twickenham Green "Hitler lover" murderer - they are all much of a muchness.

There are convictions in the BNP and now that they have expenses to play with what next?

What happened to the reports of a far right person with ricin poison that came up a few days ago? Is there a ban on reporting the truth about the far right?

#11 kingcelticpussy

"I remember as a toddler going on holiday and spending all my time with my head in rock pools"


All becomes clear.

barrie (#13) Having re-read my #10, I'm thinking of taking up rocking too! People are just so complicated!

PS. Don't tell KingCleticLion about Sir David and the

Watching Newsnight I am exhausted by the misnomers applied by the Labour governement's representatives and leadership we are fed. Public expenditure is not "investment". Investment is the investing of money or capital in order to gain profitable returns, as interest, income, or appreciation in value. Trumpeting that increases in the amount of public money "invested" in public services and the administration of government cannot produce any results akin to investment. It is not therefore an achievement to increase it or in the case of the National Health Service, tripling it in real terms.

We as a nation and our leaders as our agents must remember that government is in service to taxpayers and that any money spent has to be earned by the labour of men and women. Until we do, our governments will continue to distort the real meaning and value of what they do and what money is worth.

#17 JJ

Priceless from 3.50 onwards



King doesn't get Einstein's that you can't solve a problem at the same level of consciousness as that that caused it.

King doesn't have that visionary, va va voom, rock n roll, Robert Duvall I love the smell of napalm.., special american mommy, living on the edge, but it doesn't matter because we have all infinity and eternity to explore, kick ass attitude.

That is why I know he didn't go I think it is more important to solve the challenges of the planet as part of our journey into the future, rather than drop bombs on children.

Now you both be careful of that catatonic schizophrenia, d'ya hear.



Celtic Lion

Hi,

You discussed the NHS tonight, if MPs need medical treatment do any of them opt for Private treatment rather than the NHS, are there any figures on NHS-avoidance?

Bubbles

go1 at 15:

I wondered how long it would take for you to pick up on that particular story. When i first heard the story break with the words 'holocaust centre' I Instantly thought of you and what you would write; your like a one trick pony, all so very predictable. Your too selective in your outrage at man's inhumanity. Can i remind you that there are murders and killings everywhere on the planet, many injustices reported daily on news reports. But your like some moth to the anti-deformation leagues light; always looking for key words like 'immigration' or 'David Icke' and your off on a entrenched tirade of critical nonsense... seek professional help buddy...seriously!

P:S Anti-deformation league??...did i spell that right?..or did I!?

Will i get a visit from Mossad? only time will tell.

"...can you stop beating me...to whom do i make the cheque out for?..and i promise no more Jewish jokes...ouch".

thegangofone (#15) There's a US website called American Renaissance which covers race and civility. At first glance one might consider them 'White Supremacists', except, what they're really defending is their own group against what they perceive to be preferential treatment of other 'minority' groups. There are Black groups in the USA and there are JEwish Groups, few peole complain about these. But if a White group emerges, that's described as 'supremacist'. I'll put it another way, if you were white and had grpown up in London for many decades (say in one of the multicultural East boroughs) and you'd sent your chidren to school in Newham or Tower Hamlets, your children would now be members of an 'ethnic minority' as ~23% of Primary children are White British in Tower Hamlets. Many schools are over 90% Asian. Over the years, you would have seen numbers of your ethnnic group diminish whilst those of others were rising. You'd have seen your church and clubs and shops all close. To you, it would look like you were being taken over by immigrants who behaved very difffernetly and didn't want to know you. When you saw and heard about special Council initiatives to help 'minority groups' but not your own, how would you feel? Would you celebrate the good will of your local politicians or would you feel a hurt, angry and let down? Say another group of politicians came along and said enough was enough, and that they were going to stand up for you the same way that other local politicians were for the other 'minority' communities. Would you turn to them and be grateful? Or would you attack them as 'racist'?

Try to think this through. Try to see it as it is. Immigration has been used a Liberal-Democratic political/economic demographic tool to undermine statism in favour of the anarchistic free-market. The tills at Tescos, Sainsbury's, ASDA etc don't know/care what ethnic group you are from.

KingCleticLion (#19) I remember watching it. I ask again - is he

Look into the history of Living Marxism, The Revolutionary Communist Group, and Spiked. Look into the ANC and Slovo.

This is a complex, high stakes, political game, played with fronts where the unwitting and unwary ('useful idiots') are recruited who will take the vehicles seriously and not see the purpose which they serve. See the House of Lords on 'Climate Change', no wonder New Labour wants to 'reform' or 'stack' it.

Troops are put in strategic places :-(.

#24 JJ

Again I don't know. Though I am reminded of what an old Professor once said to me,

"never attribute to maliciousness what sheer incompetence can achieve by itself".

So have to throw that into the mix.

The whole 'climate change' front is completely wrong. It will do nothing to solve the problem that climate change is a minor symptom of, ecological life support system collapse.

All it has done is create more tiers of directionless consumerism and commerce. Jobs from money trading now trade carbon. Perfectly good cars are thrown away, (to stimulate consumerism) etc all contributing to ecosystem collapse.

King got the ball off me and didn't run with it. He didn't break new ground. He passed it back straight into the paradigm that had caused the mess in the first place.

Stern is even worse. I appreciate recently King has been critical of Stern but a wrong criticising a wrong doesn't necessarily produce a right.

Celtic Lion

KingCelticLion - when you listen to , think of the PRC - do you see it falling apart economically? What you see is window-dressing. Have you read 'New Lies for Old' etc by It's worth bearing in mind, if only to dismiss it. Angleton didn't..:-(

NN- no more mr bean muppet movie please. its ok for daytime sofa tv . if you wanted to make a subject look ridiculous of interest only to keeks and wierdos then well done.

the real issue in the uk is why the govt have blocked every attempt to introduce a feed in tariff that has proven to create hundreds of thousands of jobs, generate billions in income, free ordinary people from irrational commodity bubbles, slavery to the one way grid and subsequent multinational profiteering etc. Given all the benefits why does gordon block it? Anything to do with nuclear?

Paul - remember there was nothing to worry about

bookhimdano #26

UK rejection of your feed in tariff has absolutely nothing to do with nuclear, we will still need a base load capacity. However, despite its low CO2 output, the eco-fascists are still circling around it, but perhaps the whole object of the exercise is to inflate energy prices and put millions out of work in the longer term. OK there will be investment scams like carbon capture for new coal power, as featured in " Green Texas " the other week. Sounded pretty logical, use the captured CO2 to force any remaining oil out of currently non productive wells. Ok you get loads of temporary construction jobs, but its not sustainable.

Perhaps the greatest scam is the eco-fascists rejection of waste incinerators, messing about with massive investment to ferment food waste, collect the gas and burn it in an internal combustion engine. ( we once used pigs to recycle waste food, but the health fascists freaked out about potential cannibalism and something like BSE breaking out. And you can still ferment the pigs waste product and generate gas, Forgot that pigs have been fed as cannibals by man for thousands of years with no problem )

It is said that waste incineration could provide 10% of UK base load, flood the electricity market and force prices to consumers lower, but even better than your feed in tariff idea which could be rolled out anyway. However, it would be another give away to the rich just like the current car scrap scheme.

And then there is the Severn Barrage, could revolutionize the local economy with a new direct link between Bristol and Cardiff. The same potential regeneration could also be achieved by a barrage across Morecambe bay, bring Barrow back into Lancashire where it truly belongs. Of course the eco-fascists object even though they haven't got an scientific environmental leg to stand on.

This is the type of science the man made climate change high priests rely on.

KingCelticLion (#24) I reckon you need to learn a harsh, cruel lesson of modern life in our ever more Liberal-Democratic times. If you come up with a commercially viable, scientifically credible or even just a socially desirable, proposition, unless you have major resources behind you the chances are that you'll have it 'appropriated' by those who do, and if you're lucky you'll just be told that it doesn't matter who came up with the idea ;-). It does matter of course, albeit, only in a fair, and just world. One thing you can be sure of is that Liberal-Democracy is not about fairness. That's just their spin. They are anarchists so they can more readily appropriate - they call it free-enterprise ane the free-market. They attack regulation as totalitarian.

The good guys always were the ones we were vilifying, but they are described as 'evil-dooers' because they create shortages and don't let people run amok ;-).

28.

the uk is one of the few countries to actively block a feed in tariff. it has everything to do with nuclear. in germany the feed in tariff supplies more energy than the whole of uk nuclear and generates 20 billion in income.

if its not a threat then why do the govt block it even preventing those who wish to do it like local councils etc to use local factory roof space.

there are no technical or economic reasons for blocking a feed in tariff which means its political or if you like invested interest.

paul

Italys financial police (Guardia italiana di Finanza) has seized US bonds worth US 134.5 billion from two Japanese nationals at Chiasso (40 km from Milan) on the border between Italy and Switzerland.



some think if its not fake then the size would imply a government [china?] trying to dump the bonds to get euros or gold.

the story might be a wind up. maybe your sources are better.

bookhimdano (#26) "the real issue in the uk is why the govt have blocked every attempt to introduce a feed in tariff that has proven to create hundreds of thousands of jobs, generate billions in income, free ordinary people from irrational commodity bubbles, slavery to the one way grid and subsequent multinational profiteering etc. Given all the benefits why does gordon block it? Anything to do with nuclear?"

Here's the answer: The government can't. It sold off the Means of Production to the Private Sector long ago which included the utilities. Expecting 'the government' to control matters which are dependent on the Means of Production is very naive ina liberal, free-market economy. Surely you don't really expect the The Wizard of Oz to openly say that all he can really do is is theatrics do you? They are here to go through teh motins of government and make sure nothing gets in the way of the markets, including revolting people as insurrection and crime is expensive to business and what little remains of the state. Although having said that, the NHS is good for suppliers.

Sadly, I'm serious. :-( if you want your feed-in tarrif you'd better vote in a National Socialist/Socialism In One Country totalitarian party - as that's the only way you'll ever get it. These people are busy taking all that apart........ still. 1945 was an aberation in their eyes.

jj

the govt through laws change all sorts of thing that they don't own. so ownership isn't a block as such.

there is a news blackout on it in th euk. even NN didn't cover it in their green renewable energy germany report. how can anyone talk about renewables in germany and not mention the feedin tariff that has created hundreds of thousands of jobe, generate billions in income and be a force for the public good in so many other ways.

if by using the millions of acres of factory roof space local councils can raise money and so reduce council tax etc then one sees the multinationals are at risk of seeing a massive wealth transfer from rich to poor. perhaps gordon doesn't think the uk needs the jobs nor likes the idea of the redistribution of wealth from multinationals to the ordinary person. actually more of a return of money than a redistribution.

THEIR PARTING SHOTS

Addendum (#32) Sadly...they seem to have covered that one too. Bush and Blair's devastating leaving present in support of PFI and antistatism.......;-(

bookhimdano (#33) "so ownership isn't a block as such." I bet you'll be nard pressed to find something which isn't being further sold off and subjected to PPP/PFI. That's all they do. All three parties. Tjat is what freedom means to them. Look at where their money comes from? UNITE doesn't stand a chance. The coup de grace was 'the credit crunch' whereby the public will be paying off National Debt on both sides of the Atlantic for decades and thus slashing Public expenditure even further. Clever Mr Clinton/Bush and Blair/Brown eh? They thus beat the likelihhod of statism off the door well into the future ensuring the Private Sector has Carte Blanche. of course, it was never their fault, it was those nasty totalitarian communists over in the PRC who were saving too much, exporting lots of goods at very low prices, and not buying anything from the Liberal-Democracies. But hey, there are still some consumers in the Liberal-Democracies and that's what matters, and if they keep running/dumbing down, that's OK, they'll import more from S Asian and Africa by the million........

See? Naked capitalism. It sees consumers not people.

This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

Newsnight the BNP will bob and weave when it comes to being honest about their Nazi beliefs.

But anybody who reads the output of far right activists on this page can't help but notice that it really is more of an irrational cult than a political movement. Just read the comments on Hitler.

One of the key attitudes that you find in the far right is an irrational hatred of Jews. Griffin allegedly believes the media is run "by Jews" for example.

Why not do a piece on the ejection of Jews considered by Stalin to be "anarchists and Trotskyites" in the thirties and Hitlers reaction and then contrast with modern far right activists "beliefs" in the UK.

Do they really hate Jews or is this just a far right mechanism to use emotional responses like induced hatred to sustain and consolidate propaganda? If it wasn't Jews perhaps it would be Romany or gays etc etc.

Also how about getting a geneticist to examine the notion that there is any significant difference between the races. My understanding is that genetic variation within a race is much greater than the variation between races. "The Incredible Human Journey" has, for example, shown that the whole population is descended from a very few individuals.

Myself I would be appalled by the idea of a National Socialist world - people like Himmler with furniture made from human body parts, the Holocaust, war, summary executions and so on.

#29 Jaded_Jean
"One thing you can be sure of is that Liberal-Democracy is not about fairness. That's just their spin. They are anarchists so they can more readily appropriate - they call it free-enterprise ane the free-market. They attack regulation as totalitarian. "

National Socialism is about fairness? Really?

"Anarchists" attack "regulation as totalitarian"? So the G20 resolutions were all about totalitarianism?

What impoverished analysis.

But at least you are gradually coming out on your genuine beliefs.

I wonder if the BNP will start to sport "armbands" and suchlike soon.

Perhaps that would attract the "OK" magazine vote to the BNP - nice photo opportunities.

Well there is economic upheaval, swine flue as been declared a pandemic, 40,000 children die everyday due to malnutrition, lack of clean water and preventable disease. The oceans are being poisoned, every day animal and plant species are being made extinct as the planet's ecological life support systems unwind. We stand on the edge of an abyss of chaos and destruction.

And the headline on the ´óÏó´«Ã½ 6 O'clock news......

Is about a bloke who clogs a pigs bladder, wrapped in a cow skin, up and down a field.

Celtic Lion

thegangofone (#37;38) Put media Jews into Google and see what you learn. Media is very like propaganda. There is a very long history to this if you look into it. It spans the globe. Why?

Remember, political groups are made up of people who share common interests - often genetically.

"Do they really hate Jews or is this just a far right mechanism to use emotional responses like induced hatred to sustain and consolidate propaganda? If it wasn't Jews perhaps it would be Romany or gays etc etc."

Do you really hate the BNP, fascists and 'the far right'? If it wasn't the 'far right', perhaps it would be some other group? Maybe your loathing is just an operant level which needs expression and a target?

Watch George Riesman and see what the anarchists (Liberal-Democrats) have to say about 'the far right', and see how he paints socialism as evil-dooers via spin. That's because his anarchism frees up individuals as consumers for 'entrepreneurs' like Alan Sugar who like to sell goods at a profit. They (not Alan Sugar) were expelled from Austria and Germany in the 1930s as incorrigible economic predators. Can you see why? Can you also see how they can't see why this is so? It's partly a problem with intensional language and self-image I suggest. It's definitely related to narcissism which is related to genetics and individuation in the first couple of years of life and adolescence when we learn who we and others are. Narcissists don't think there is a problem with them, they think others are the problem. They are very like psychopaths. They are incorrigle - i.e. untreatable. They cause very serious trouble in society and they can appear quite sane :-(

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"Perhaps that would attract the "OK" magazine vote to the BNP - nice photo opportunities."

Well Bryan Ferry did say the Nazis were stylish.




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