Wednesday 30 March 2011
Here is what is coming up on tonight's programme with Jeremy Paxman.
Tim Whewell talks to General Suleiman Mahmoud of the Libyan rebel forces who tells him the rebels need weapons if they are to overthrow Colonel Gaddafi.
He says with arms they could do the job in two weeks, but without it could take six months.
The US President Barack Obama has said he does not rule out arming the rebels as government forces push them back.
But any decision to supply arms to the rebels by the West would change the whole nature of the intervention. What would the implications be?
We'll also be taking a close look at the arts and sciences. Which brings the most economic benefits to our society?
We will have a film putting the case for each and a discussion with guests including Deborah Aydon, Executive Director of the Liverpool Everyman and Playhouse theatres and Imran Khan, Director of the Campaign for Science and Engineering in the UK
And Ed Miliband is to marry in May. Why has he decided to tie the knot now ? And why will there be no best man (i.e. David) at his wedding?
From earlier
Here are some early thoughts on what we are planning for tonight's programme.
US President Barack Obama has said he does not rule out arming the rebels in Libya as government forces push them back. Tim Whewell is in Libya speaking to some of the rebels who are asking for weapons.
But any decision to supply arms to the rebels by the West would change the whole nature of the intervention. What would the implications be?
Labour leader Ed Miliband is to marry his long-term partner, and mother of his two children, Justine in May.
But Ed, who was best man at David's 1998 wedding, has said there will be no best man or bridesmaids at next month's ceremony in Nottingham.
What does this tell us about the relationship between the two brothers?
Comment number 1.
At 30th Mar 2011, barriesingleton wrote:OBAMA AND LIMITED ED - BOTH INSTALLED BY POWERFUL 'CREDITORS'
And what do creditors expect? TO BE REPAID.
Politics: the art of self-deception wrapped in the craft of deceiving others for their own good.
AV won't even scuff the iniquity of it all. We are living within the global lie.
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At 30th Mar 2011, Mistress76uk wrote:Like we didn't know! It is a FACT that Jeremy IS Newsnight.
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At 30th Mar 2011, U14802339 wrote:All this user's posts have been removed.Why?
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At 30th Mar 2011, stevie wrote:Ed hasn't got a 'best man' lots of people do it, you always upset someone so play safe and just do the deed, he is only doing it for the sake of 'middle England' as he and his lady were just fine as they were.....
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At 30th Mar 2011, BrightYangThing wrote:"....But Ed, who was best man at David's 1998 wedding, has said there will be no best man or bridesmaids at next month's ceremony in Nottingham.
What does this tell us about the relationship between the two brothers?..."
It could just mean that
a) Milli Ed (and Justine) does not really believe in the institution of marriage but is bowing to an element of public/party pressure in an attempt to save his own hide.
and/or
b) That if a (above) is a correct assertion, will carry out the heinous deed with as little pomp as is possible
and/or
c) That in such circumstances, one may as well be hung as for a sheep as a lamb - viz - offend one, offend all.
But of course, none of the above would be very entertaining or diverting would they?
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At 30th Mar 2011, kevseywevsey wrote:Obama has forgotton one very important thing regarding the latests military intervention in Lybia..he didn't bother putting it past Congress first; he has gone against the rules laid down in the US constitiution. That might be Clinton and the other two warmongering sisters fault on account they pushed for this military intervention whilst Obuma was doing a spring break tour with his family in South America. Anyhow, a little bit naughty that..but then, the push for that global "full spectrum dominance" adheres to no rules eh. As for this military intervention in Lybia..how easy we are fooled, and they do it time and time again..well, they are masters at it.
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At 30th Mar 2011, barriesingleton wrote:DIVINE RIGHT OF DAVE'S
At PMQs today, Dave presented a telling incongruity. His class background emerged (as on previous occasions) in 'quality nastiness', with jibes that employed Ed Miliband's impending marriage, and Martin Luther King's 'Dream' speech - as a blunt instrument. But when it came to the NHS, he once again used his own experience as valid; it isn't. High profile politicians do not get bog-standard treatment. And, as I have said before: simply KNOWING you can 'pay for better', if things get worse, is a wonderful stress reliever.
Dave has a lot to learn.
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At 30th Mar 2011, flicks3 wrote:#2 Kirsty may have other idea's :-()
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At 30th Mar 2011, barriesingleton wrote:APPOSITE (#8)
I missed most of what was said for the wretched musack. Nothing edgy under the Sun.
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At 30th Mar 2011, indignantindegene wrote:#30 (previous)barrie
DOING MY HEAD IN (#29)
鈥淚 am under the impression that the 'simple fact' of no candidate receiving 50%, triggers the quantum-physical follow-on; it comprises a re-distribution of votes found on papers where the least-successful candidate is their first choice?鈥
Correct - you're heading in the right direction
鈥淧ersonally, were I voting Raving Loony, my whole attitude would be one of comedy nihilism. My other choices would be neither representative nor relevant.鈥
Use the RH brain for AV; forget the logic, be creative and 鈥榚dge yer bets鈥! It鈥檚 the result that counts.
鈥淩emind me of the points system. I was playing with one recently - maybe I stole yours!鈥
My suggestion was that all voters go to the polling station and collect 10 points 鈥 could be printed stickers to facilitate computer input/count. Each voter allocates points according to preference - either all 10 to a single candidate, or shared over more than one candidate according to perceived merit. A computer then totals points awarded to each candidate. Results can then be used:-
under FPTP to elect the points winner;
under PR to appoint a number of Regional MPs by proportion of total points (as in EU elections);
or even under AV where no 50% winner, by redistributing points of lowest scoring candidate(s).
There is no turnout disincentive, or tendency to ignore Minor Party /Independent candidates based on thoughts of 鈥榳asted鈥 votes as all voters鈥 points are taken into account in the election process.
PR is generally assumed to be appropriate for determining the proportion of regional MPs, which may be a better solution than the Tory proposal to reduce MP numbers according to a fixed population group size. With more transfer of power and responsibility to Local Authorities, there is a case for fewer MPs, selected more on National/International capability and experience than on local knowledge.
says it all
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Comment number 11.
At 30th Mar 2011, BrightYangThing wrote:This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.
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At 30th Mar 2011, MaggieL wrote:11. BrightYangThing
Hear Hear. Well said.
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At 30th Mar 2011, flicks3 wrote:This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.
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Comment number 14.
At 30th Mar 2011, JunkkMale wrote:'What does this tell us about the relationship between the two brothers?'
Dunno. Rather unfussed as they don't seem to be in charge of anything.
However, it does all rather suggest a slow news day and further lack of self-awareness within certain bubbles.
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Comment number 15.
At 30th Mar 2011, jauntycyclist wrote:2
he's bored and it comes across. stephi, matt and that other friday girl one are good. the old guard of kirsty, emily and jp are looking clapped out.
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Comment number 16.
At 30th Mar 2011, BrightYangThing wrote:With hindsight, and having endured even more pap over the past couple of hours worth of news bulletins on the non story of Mr Milliband's proposal/marriage plans, may I simply implore Newsnight to drop this non story and give the time to something more worthwhile.
Whether rabbits are more popular pets than cats - and why? How old an actress needs to be to play Miss Marple or maybe a weather forecast.
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Comment number 17.
At 30th Mar 2011, barriesingleton wrote:HEY-UP! LOOKS LIKE SHIFT CHANGE IN THE KENNEL.
Nice one BYT (#11) awaiting part 2.
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Comment number 18.
At 30th Mar 2011, jauntycyclist wrote:Tesla Motors sues 大象传媒 for defamation
..Back in 2008, we reported how in comparison tests between the electric Tesla Roadster and a Lotus Elise, Jeremy Clarkson and co. falsely declared the Tesla ran out of juice and had to be pushed home. The programme later said it was only showing what would have happened had the Roadster actually ran out of charge. It didn't appear that way in the show itself.
Clarkson claimed the Tesla cut out at 55 miles and famously said "It's just a shame that in the real world, it doesn't seem to work"..
if the Tesla wifi electricity had been used then any electric car could anywhere. some say tesla had a car powered that way.
but unmetered energy doesn't suit the oligarchs so we don't get it.
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At 30th Mar 2011, flicks3 wrote:No you're wrong blog dog, we're meaningless; no one care what we write, we're just here to be used either by the 大象传媒, other mega corporations or banks.
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At 30th Mar 2011, brossen99 wrote:Complain about this comment (Comment number 20)
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At 30th Mar 2011, brossen99 wrote:#18 Cycling person
I seem to remember a prog about the wireless transmission of electricity to moving vehicles from electromagnets in the road and what sticks in my mind is that it was not practical because it was extremely inefficient. Looks like your apparent lack of basic engineering knowledge has led you down yet another false promise cul-de-sac to moan about against the establishment ?
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At 30th Mar 2011, Mistress76uk wrote:@ #11BrightYangThing - It's not just my opinion, but the opinion of 大象传媒 chiefs and the viewing figures too. You can huff and puff all you like, but you won't blow the house down :p
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Comment number 24.
At 30th Mar 2011, BrightYangThing wrote:A DANGEROUS PRIDE OF (British) LIONS?
Why Libya?
Why is the UK yet again hanging on to the fetid coattails of the US administration?
Why is that administration taking such pains to manipulate the terms of the UN resolution to their latest whim?
Can our leaders NOT see the desperate imperialist intents of our American cousins?
Or the danger of meddling in the unknown?
I fear that blind arrogance and foolish pride may well feature large, especially since Mr Al Megrahi seems to be hanging in there way too long. Not of course for his family ......... would that many I have lost had so beat the odds.
Seldom nowadays is anything as it seems superficially - all can be faked,twisted, hidden, veiled, secreted or revealed as fits a particular agenda. Feels like we live in a matrix world. What is reality?
Sorry MrSingleton #17 - I expect this to disappoint - in between doses of strong medication fever clouds the vision.
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Comment number 25.
At 30th Mar 2011, barriesingleton wrote:MATRIX WITHIN A MATRIX? (#24)
Disappointment overcome.
Everyone should read 'Lockerbie - The Flight from Justice' (a Private Eye special). The Eye does not seem to be caught up in the Matrix - but who can tell?
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Comment number 26.
At 30th Mar 2011, Child_of_Kali wrote:giving the weapons to the rebels can only now produce a civil war. And that's what 'they' want (you can work out who "they" are yourselves, there's quite a list). In fact, going by the UN Resolution, to "defend the civilians" includes the civilians in the West, who are being attacked and killed now by the rebels? Or perhaps there is an argument that "Ghaddafi's home town" REALLY wants to be free of the Regime, but its those nasty foreign fighters of his!? BS.
and 拢40,000,000,000 of assets in Ghaddafi's/Libya's accounts, - what's the betting that bundle of money has NO influence upon the current rush to depose Ghaddafi?
btw, there is no way that i would stand up for Ghaddafi, and the sheer scale of the losses and abuses suffered by the Libyan people under him we learned last night made my stomach retch, but it would also be nice to have COMPARISON figures for the previous, European-ruled Regime, and also the Algerian and Egyptian figures for human abuses. Statistics can easily be used to misrepresent a situation, although we can now fully understand why many Libyan people despise him and his Regime. If we didn't know already.
what a mess. Why won't BOTH sides call a cease-fire, if the concern is to save civilian lives?
let the country fight, through development and the ballot box between the regions!, not destroy itself as in the Western-backed holocaust in the former Jugoslavia. Why did not the rebels accept the ceasefire?
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Comment number 27.
At 30th Mar 2011, Child_of_Kali wrote:#24: reality...
not that it will help at all. :)
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Comment number 28.
At 30th Mar 2011, barriesingleton wrote:SURREAL
UK considers AV. USA considers DOOMSDAY BUNKERS.
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Comment number 29.
At 30th Mar 2011, JAperson wrote:Re:
2. At 13:04pm on 30th Mar 2011, Mistress76uk
Interesting link, worth reading.
Curious that, according to the link, that Nn鈥檚 figures drop when Sir J is elsewhere!
Could it have anything to do with the possibility that the newbies are all more keen in keeping the 鈥榡ob鈥 than being a pro(per) journalist i.e. endeavouring to get to the facts! Yes, some try - e.g.. Lady Em - but are appallingly inconsistent, others - most notably the newest 鈥榥ewby鈥 - are well and truly out of their depth with no hope of ever - likely - 鈥榞etting there鈥!
Perhaps if the beeb (as a whole) and/or the Nn production supremo put aside the addiction with 鈥楶C鈥 and the obsession with 鈥榯elegenic - facial - symmetry鈥 there is the possibility that a truly worthy 鈥榗ontender鈥 may rise from the crowd?
Until then the future - most likely regarding viewer figures - is, from my point of view, looking very grim!
If Nn is - wanting - to remain as the prime 鈥楴ews Analysis Flagship鈥 then yes it has to evolve but the old adage applies 鈥淎ll that glistens ....鈥 i.e. edgy graphics isn鈥檛 enough ( a point well, and often, made by another Poster.)
For what it鈥檚 worth ..... Bets as Evens on 鈥楴othing鈥 ......
Get back to core values!
Engage!
Forget the 鈥榥eed鈥 to entertain ......
Inform!
And ......
Most importantly ......
Lead, don鈥檛 follow!
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At 30th Mar 2011, jauntycyclist wrote:22.. from electromagnets in the road ..
where do i mention that method for wireless transmission?
still if you need to vent and bear false witness feel free.
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Comment number 31.
At 30th Mar 2011, brossen99 wrote:Complain about this comment (Comment number 31)
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At 30th Mar 2011, BrightYangThing wrote:I wonder, genuinely, what it is like in the NN or news studio when a story breaks within minutes of going on air. They have a finite time, studio guests in situ or on the way - not rolling news days like 'death of a princess'.
presume there are no appearance fees.
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Comment number 33.
At 30th Mar 2011, brossen99 wrote:#30 Cycling Person.
Its all very well to link to Bob Symes playing with a Van De Graph generator but if there was actually enough power to make it practical for a vehicle he would have been flat on his back immediately if not before ! I could go into the safety implications but most people are not that stupid !
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Comment number 34.
At 30th Mar 2011, brossen99 wrote:Letter to my Local Paper
So the time has come for council elections in the Ribble Valley and perhaps fortunately for local people any cuts to services would appear to be minimal. Perhaps that is due to the fact the the ruling political group have not got suckered into any grandiose schemes as suggested by lobbyists. However, there were moments like for example the windmill on the swimming baths proposal. The sad thing was that they had to pay private consultants to prove the idea was a non starter, when anybody with a true grasp of practical engineering could have advised them free, and why do we pay council officers so much.
It looks as though all front line services will be maintained at the current level when other councils are having to cut said services. However, in the current circumstances it is perhaps indefensible to keep funding prestige projects like The Platform Gallery when allegedly four potential apprenticeships for local young people have been abandoned. In fact RVBC could probably kill two birds with one stone if they used the station building as a new expanded tourist information centre.
It would save the enormous cost of building the proposed new centre at the castle gate, plus the rent on the current information centre. Also the station has good public transport links and ample close by parking for those visiting our area by car. The station building is probably large enough to provide a reasonable area for local artists to display their paintings / sculpture for sale , whilst improving the local tourist information aspect also.
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Comment number 35.
At 30th Mar 2011, barriesingleton wrote:NEWSYNIGHTY DOES ED's WEDDING
Cheap - tacky - crass.
Nuff sed.
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Comment number 36.
At 30th Mar 2011, muggwhump wrote:The rebel general looked a bit shifty to me when he was predicting it would all be over in a fortnight if only we armed him and his mates. Who exactly are these people and what kinds of 'civilian atrocities' might both him and his band of angry, untrained, undisciplined mates be responsible for if we do start pouring the weapons in?
Iraq wasn't really about WMD and as the days go by it is looking like Libya isn't really about protecting unarmed civilians either...
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Comment number 37.
At 30th Mar 2011, barriesingleton wrote:A WHOLE NEW MEANING TO 'INVASIVE SPECIES' (#31)
'Costing the Earth' this evening featured invasive species. It was, of course intemperate man who, having defeated the trees, went on to defeat the seas, achieving mix-and-mismatch all over the globe. My pretty river Lambourne, is now home to foreign Crayfish and no voles, though the Otter is said to be returning.
Quite what the invasion of genetically deranged flora will achieve, remains to be experienced. Of course, whatever the result, invasion is coming. I wonder if the Martian Red Weed was another touch of H G Wells' prescience?
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Comment number 38.
At 30th Mar 2011, Strugglingtostaycalm wrote:For those who missed the ever-so-briefly-displayed caption details of that nasty right-wing person, during the 'arts' discussion - you know, the one not fawning over massive state expenditure for the arts - here's an approximation:
"Jesse Norman, Conservative M.P.,
Author, "Compassionate Conservatism: What It Is; Why We Need It", Policy Exchange, Available As A Free PDF from ".
It was also nice to hear Sir Paul Nurse claim what I and many others believe: scientists don't cherry-pick data. Indeed, 'climate' scientists aren't scientists at all.
Moderator: the link does not take you directly to a PDF, so should be within the rules.
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Comment number 39.
At 30th Mar 2011, Mistress76uk wrote:Excellent analysis with Mark and loved Jeremy's interview with the Syrian Ambassador to the UK. 48 years of emergency law in Syria? That has to be a world record! And the best was the Ambassador stating that those citizens who had spoken to the foreign media were all liars. Stephen's report was hillarious :o)
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Comment number 40.
At 31st Mar 2011, barriesingleton wrote:ARE YOU SURE? (#38)
I am aware of a range of activities that purport to be 'scientific', yet are beset by cheating, fiddling, lying, obfuscation, rejection and dissembling (to name a few) in the interest of continued tenure, funding, income, political advantage, market advantage and fame.
This IS the Age of Perversity - going forward.
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Comment number 41.
At 31st Mar 2011, kashibeyaz wrote:Back from Turkey yesterday and I have to say the Turkish view of the events in Libya is a more balanced one than the somewhat hysterical mood of Britain, France and others.
The Turks have a good idea who these rebels are; a real hotchpotch of tribal grudges, Islamist extremists and some boixos nois out for a rumble; the view there was not under any circumstances should they be provided with weaponry and that partition of the country is a viable option for peace keeping purposes.
No need for post colonialist posturing; grown up dialogue instead.
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Comment number 42.
At 31st Mar 2011, jauntycyclist wrote:33
wireless transmission stupid? Edison's propaganda of electrocuting elephants to 'frighten people' was 'smart'?
wifi electricity in action
the basic problem is moderns think they have a complete understanding with no black holes in their models. we still have no idea how to replicate what the Egyptians did with 70 ton blocks of granite.
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Comment number 43.
At 31st Mar 2011, jauntycyclist wrote:41 yes the best way to get balanced info in not from uk media.[that still has to apologise and admit mistakes in pumping up the iraq war]
the uk government twitter feeds are almost soviet in their propagandising style. Liberal interventionism although an idea boiled up in the minds of maoists and marxists is basically racst. Its basically saying 'we are the keepers of the flame of wisdom and justice' and we will intervene in 'bongo bongo' land and stop squabbling tribes people from murdering themselves.
are we the keepers of the flame of reason? how do such false beliefs come about?
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At 31st Mar 2011, barriesingleton wrote:PREPOSTEROUS (#41)
Are you suggesting a bunch of Mediterranean blokes would be so juvenile as to take advantage of an electronically confused world to zoom about firing guns - mostly at the sky?
Look mate: if Tony says we are all in the War on Terror (aka THE LAST BATTLE) if Tony BELIEVES that to be true - well - I mean - nuff sed.
I particularly liked the guy on the ancient AA gun, that (reportedly) had no ammunition BUT ON WHICH HE HAD TRAINED FOR TWO WEEKS. Anyone remember Idi Amin's 'paratroopers'? Billy the Spud is looking regal and Dave godlike - but they can't see Binker Clegg.
Maturity is a HomSap issue.
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Comment number 45.
At 31st Mar 2011, barriesingleton wrote:WAS THE BHAGAVAD GITA ASKING THE SAME QUESTION? (#43)
Hi Jaunty - good question. My answer, as always, is 'a triumph of immaturity over wisdom'. I have not paid much attention to the Bhavagad Gita, but when Melvyn featured it this morning, I was struck by the allegory of man's struggle with himself.
Little doubt in my mind that schooling - worse, schooling for Mammon - has 'done in' HomSap. All we have left is crude cleverness (as depressingly illustrated by clever-dick Dave, self-styled: 'World Leader' at PMQs).
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At 31st Mar 2011, flicks3 wrote:"This is extremely easy for a bank to do, deliberately or unwittingly. The JPMSL case involved client money held in connection with futures and options business over a seven year period, and the balances fluctuated between $1.9bn and $23bn. These balances were deposited with JPMSL鈥檚 parent, JPMorgan Chase Bank, so in the event of JPMCB going bust, segregated client funds would become the property of the liquidator. According to the FSA statement this 鈥渆rror鈥 was not deliberate, and was 鈥渟elf-reported鈥. The implication is that regulation works so well that even a major banking organisation confesses to regulatory breaches that might otherwise have gone undetected.
If the law had not been changed in the first place to accommodate the role of the FSA and the legal status of its regulations, the error would arguably have been criminal. The confusion initially arises from the benefits conferred on a bank by its license, which allows a bank to take someone else鈥檚 property onto its own books and use it for its own benefit. Anyone who does this without a banking licence clearly commits fraud, and this must also apply when a bank offers non-banking services, because its customers by definition are not in a banking relationship. JPMCB鈥檚 compliance department should have been alive to this possibility when JPM merged with Chase Bank, which is when the problem first arose. And the management of JPMSL鈥檚 futures and options business should have thought through the implications for their customers, rather than not thinking at all."
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At 31st Mar 2011, flicks3 wrote:"EPA is raising Radiation Standards for drinking water by 100000% - I Called EPA's Office and Spoke to an Engineer ...Unbelievable!"
"Also they will do it as a guidance instead of a regulation so they will not need a public discourse or notification to the public to do so."
"Of course the EPA is a government agency to protect the people corporations."
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Comment number 48.
At 31st Mar 2011, stevie wrote:we cannot do business with 'these rebels' after all we have not been introduced....damn it!
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