Inquest (continued)
- the left-wing MP, who tried and failed to mount a challenge against Gordon Brown for the leadership of the Labour Party, has just warned his party that they will be sleepwalking their way to disaster if they seek to minimise tonight's defeats.
Comment number 1.
At 2nd May 2008, Markmywordswell wrote:Nice to see some public honesty.
Wouldn't it be nice just to hear someone say "yeah, we got stuffed".
Time will tell.
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Comment number 2.
At 2nd May 2008, shellingout wrote:I watched 大象传媒 TV's coverage of the local elections his morning. There was a short piece about the Bury elections, David Cameron had about a minute to comment, and Harriet told us how disappointing it all was, but that was about all. What on earth is happening? This is the worst Labour defeat since the 1960's and what did the 大象传媒 cover?............Lawnmowers!
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Comment number 3.
At 2nd May 2008, flyingHedgewitch wrote:I have to agree with shellingout. I watch 大象传媒 for the best news coverage delivered in a professional and comprehensive way. Unfortunately, it appears that the Beeb has decided to emulate their rivals GMTV and adopt the "chat show" format. What a waste of time that is! Isnt it time the Beeb went back to doing what it always did best - giving us uptodate and comprehensive news as it breaks. OK - we all use lawnmowers at sometime and yes the lawnmower marketplace can deliver some interesting designs etc. but on an important day like today I would have thought the Blue Peter garden could have taken a back seat! Disappointed !!!
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Comment number 4.
At 2nd May 2008, CaptainJuJu wrote:Lawnmowers!
Goes to show doesn't it that the 大象传媒 is a ship listing badly to port (port=left for you landlubbers)
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Comment number 5.
At 2nd May 2008, bryanjames wrote:Doesn't this put paid to ID cards and to other controversial measures that Brown wants to introduce? How can he claim the authority to speak for the people any more?
I think Brown now falls into the 'lame duck' category until the next election. He has lost the support of the British people and I hope he doesn't try to pursue his rejected policies.
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Comment number 6.
At 2nd May 2008, Rupert Butler wrote:This blog is about John McDonnell, who did in effect say 鈥測eah, we got stuffed鈥 pace Markmywordswell.
A Labour party filled with members like Mr McDonnell and the late lamented Gwyneth Dunwoody would be unbeatable.
Conversely a Conservative Party that paid attention to their members of the same sort would be immediately electable, discovering thereby that electoral spin is no substitute for ideas of good government.
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Comment number 7.
At 2nd May 2008, RJMolesworth wrote:Lawnmowers are a key indicator of the economy. I went to the former Soviet Union in the 1980s and was astounded to find they didn't have any. At the same time, even the poorest front yard in West Virginia sported a stylish sit-on lawnmower at the same time. Its like the cost of a Hamburger being the true indicator of the exchange rate. Lawnmowers sales are a true indicator of the economy.
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Comment number 8.
At 2nd May 2008, St Maddenus 70s Hunk again wrote:Maybe the losses by labour are because for a while now they have been listing to Starboard and have forgotten their Port roots
(thank you for the imagary CaptainJuJu)
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Comment number 9.
At 2nd May 2008, Katanamochi wrote:Re (5) bryanjames
Pay attention to the words brown uses 鈥 his vision not labours.
Do you think he will listen ?
He will still push these policies as he knows best for us all.
That is indicative of his character and arrogance.
Until he is kicked out of office expect no change in his vision.
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Comment number 10.
At 2nd May 2008, pragmaticemail wrote:John McDonnel was right to mount a challenge as Gordon Brown is starting to look unelectable. He is a big turn off for me and many others. His spin today sums up the fact that he cannot be trusted, "I will listen and lead", surely he should of said, "I will listen and learn" isn't he already leading?
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Comment number 11.
At 2nd May 2008, john wrote:Lets hope that someone who is to the left finally regains control of the ship 'Labour' and steers it - and all of us - safely to Port.
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Comment number 12.
At 3rd May 2008, colourfulMrPolitics wrote:This is clearly a bad night for Labour. I am saddened however that Labour could not see this coming. I am a loyal Labour member and will continue to be up until the next election but this Government are showing signs of the dying days of the Major administration. Do I think they will recover - No, do I think (as a Labour man) that they will lose the next election - YES. As Andrew Rawnsley said 2 weeks ago, the Labour Party can only blame itself. That is in part true. However, Gordon could have helped himself by encouraging a proper contest rather than hiding behing the bullies who were on his campaign team. It is not all his fault. Where are his team that are supposed to support him - Harriet Harman, she is afterall, Party Chair, and bares a great deal of responsibility for Party management. Where was she when the going was getting tough! She is as bad on this as she is in her other jobs...she isn't regarded as the worst Leader of the House of Commons since the 14th Century for no good reason! Hang the Cabinet out to dry and reshuffle some talent IN
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Comment number 13.
At 3rd May 2008, pragmaticemail wrote:Well done colourfulMrPolitics, I agree they should get a new cabinet, however I don't agree that Gordon Brown problems is down to any one else other than him self, his cabinet was hand picked by Brown to clear up the mess that he new would come back and bite him in his deryair that he created when he was the chancellor for 10 years, slashing budget and trying to stitch up Blair and anyone else standing in his way, surely you must be concerned on how many Scottish members have key position? Were Rob Roy could not, Brown will unless he is replaced. and not with one of his croney.
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Comment number 14.
At 3rd May 2008, peevedofpembroke wrote:pick your metaphor.. chickens coming home to roost:live by the sword etc:you reep what you sow... the fact is that dear Gordon has been in charge of domestic policy since 97. Has spent more money than any other chancellor in living memory and has got zip in return with the exception of a get black hole that a Cambridge astrophysicist would have been proud of. Although the sub prime inspired credit crunch was not created by him, he did muddle the regulatory bodies that could have prevented it from reaching the proportions it did. We'll say nothing of his stealing millions from the pension industry which kicked off the downward spiral of where the man in the streets pensions are now at..... when will people like gordon realize that the big insurance companies hold money for you and me. Effect them, and you effect the man in the street..... very old labour, ) i feel another metaphor coming) cutting your nose to spite your face! Or the great gold swindle where he decided to sell the country's gold reserve converting it into Euros just before gold started to take off to the dizzy heights it is presently at. One could go on.. his lack of attention to detail. His insistence on implementing policy which manifestly will not work or will cost more than it will return or his blatant waste of money imposing policies that then are withdrawn. And who pays for this?? yes you and me! So PM Brown finds himself cleaning up the mess he created and that will take many years to recover from....... how can anyone ever had said he was one of the greatest Chancellors of all time???? he inherited a base created by that most maligned of politician John Mayor.. our friend gordon abused that economic based and then used smoke and mirrors to keep up the pretense. He might feel "history on his shoulder "but I fear he will not like the mark it leaves!
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Comment number 15.
At 3rd May 2008, chrisndon wrote:After the 10p fiasco and other tax hikes under Mr Brown there is a new saying gaining momentum around my circles........lets gord!!...no not the drink......
lets........Get..Rid..Of..Gordon..
you heard it hear first..
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Comment number 16.
At 3rd May 2008, salloisgallois wrote:As a pensioner who has just had his limited income cut (my wife the same) I would love to ask Gordon Brown how many votes the 'non-doms' have, and why they haven't voted Labour.
After all, he went out of his way to be nice to them, didn't he?
What amazing political ineptitude!
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Comment number 17.
At 3rd May 2008, chrisndon wrote:Re comment No15,
Should read,
After the 10p fiasco and other tax hikes under Mr Brown there is a new saying gaining momentum around my circles,
lets grog!!.......no not the drink...................
lets.......Get..Rid..Of..Gordon..
you heard it hear first..
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Comment number 18.
At 6th May 2008, -StuartC- wrote:There's no doubt Labour did badly.
But in the context of low support for Labour, and despite recently electing a new leader, surely the Lib Dems did pretty badly too?
Only 34 extra councillors. Share of the vote still going down.
There are certainly some heavyweight economic factors in the political frame right now that undoubtedly contributed to Labour's problems - food and fuel price rises, not to mention tax gaffes.
But taking such economic factors alone, only Labour should have suffered and the Lib Dems should actually have benefitted more from that.
So why didn't the Lib Dems do better? What do their recent actions have in common with Labour that could have been a factor in both poor performances?
Let's not forget that both parties broke their election promises of a referendum on the EU Constitution - something that an overwhelming majority of people said they wanted.
I don't think that such an apparently untrustworthy piece of behaviour - done so recently - can be completely ruled out as a factor in a subsequent poor electoral showing for both the anti-referendum parties.
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