Flintoff the TV star in waiting
Even if the injuries that have dogged prevent him from playing a full part in England's limited-overs cricket for the next three or four years, the British public could see quite a lot of him in the years to come.
Oddly, they might see more of him as a non-player than they ever did as a Test player, given that cricket is the exclusive domain of satellite TV in Britain, and given the celebrity-conscious nature of the prime-time family shows where Freddie could be headed some time soon.
One of the reasons Flintoff offered by the England and Wales Cricket Board is to pursue opportunities which an ECB deal may prohibit.
"He's possibly doing a television series in which he may do bungee-jumping," his agent Andrew "Chubby" Chandler revealed earlier this month.
Flintoff, tattooed biceps bulging out of his sponsored tee-shirt as he launched his new book on Monday in London's Canary Wharf, does not warm to the idea of extreme sports in particular.
"I think something's going to fall off if I bungee-jumped," he says, mindful of how his body has become something of a ticking time-bomb.
Perhaps something a little less physical would be in order - a stint on the rainforest-based ITV show perhaps? "Everyone has told me I'm going to the jungle, which... nah..." he says as though spitting out a witchetty grub.
So could it be that cricketers' favourite, which launches the non-cricket-playing Flintoff brand in 12 months time? No clear denials from the man in question on that particular subject.
Coaching is certainly not a long-term prospect, despite the work he is currently doing at
"I don't think I would be a very good coach on a day-in day-out basis. I'd love to, once I have finished with come in and help someone with their game from time to time but not on a full-time level.
"I'm sure you'll find out more in the months to come but yeah, TV work, things like that - not necessarily commentating though I have had offers to do that. I've been playing cricket as a professional since I was 16 and I'd like to do something else.
"I want to forge another career. I've got three kids and a family and I want to provide for them. I want to work - I don't want any restraints over that.
"The cricket will come first and I will build something else around that and try to have a natural progression into something else."
Flintoff has such a likeable personality, such an easy, friendly approach with the people he meets that one can imagine him being more than an occasional guest on TV reality shows. Perhaps he will end up hosting something in his own right in the mould of those other retired sportsmen, Darren Gough and Ian Wright.
What cricket fans want to see, though, is less of that and more of the match-winning Freddie performances that are so often discussed in pubs around the country when talk turns to England's 2005 and 2009 Ashes triumphs.
England can no longer count on the heroics of Flintoff in Test cricket
But when he tosses his crutches over one shoulder before sitting down to chat you get a tangible reminder of how far he has to come before cricket becomes a realistic aspiration once again.
His book is what you would expect of any ghost-written offering from someone still playing professional sport. The closest he comes to ruffling feathers is the revelation that the disastrous seemed to include more drinking than purposeful cricket.
"Most of the support staff were at it more than we were - it was like being on a booze cruise," he writes.
There was the opportunity to score points against ex-England coach Duncan Fletcher, whose own book went into elaborate detail about Flintoff's incapacity to field as a result of a drinking binge the night before a practice session in Australia.
But it is not in Flintoff's nature to do such a thing, though he does say Fletcher is not "one of his favourite people in the world" and there is a telling passage when he reveals being in a cab with him in India when discovering that his son Corey had been born. "There weren't any big hugs... I don't think Duncan is an expressive kind of bloke," Flintoff reminisces.
Naturally, the actual cricket is covered in plenty of depth, including of course the extraordinary five-wicket haul on the final day of his last Test at Lord's.
Despite his knee giving him considerable grief, Flintoff had told Andrew Strauss, when the final day of the Test match dawned, that he would be bowling until Australia were all out. I asked him to elaborate on that utter conviction he had that England would win and he would be the one to take the wickets.
"There are certain points in my career when I've had a lot of self-doubt and there are times when you think you can do anything. But that morning I turned up to the ground with some weird excitement and I couldn't shut up.
"I was everywhere, doing everything and I just thought it was going to happen. In 2005 it happened for four Test matches - I felt I could do everything - but then you get the reality check afterwards, as I did in 2006 and 2007, and it just tows you back in a bit."
From reality check to reality TV, with the odd heroic performance on a cricket field thrown in, Flintoff is a fascinating symbol of the peaks, troughs and dilemmas of professional sport in 2009.
Comment number 1.
At 28th Sep 2009, Chizzle wrote:I think Fred could have a great career in TV once he finally hangs up his spikes, he's got one of those infectious personalities and he'll go down well with audiences because he's almost like "one of the lads". I reckon he'll do a bit of commentating on cricket, and maybe some other sports shows, and I think he'd be excellent as a team captain on A Question Of Sport.
No matter what happens from here on in, I think the future is still very bright for Fred. I hope he doesn't do one of the lower-end reality shows like the jungle one or the house one (though that's pretty much dead now) because he's better than that.
I wonder if his knee would stand up to being on Top Gear's Star In A Reasonably Priced Car? Haha!
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Comment number 2.
At 28th Sep 2009, SuperhoopMango(Xpert Eleven Mango League Double Winner - Season 1 League I.D 113363) wrote:It is no surprise that he told Strauss that he was going to bowl until the Aussies were all out.
Having been there, at Lords, you could tell that Freddie wanted to be at the centre of everything on that historic day.
What a true showman, and a great player, who will be sorely missed by the test side. How long before we start hearing calls for his return, should England lose the plot, in the 5-day game?
Well played, Andy.....Enjoy your test retirement, but please fulfil your wish to become the best one-day player in the world!
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At 28th Sep 2009, fedupwithelvs wrote:I think England has to look to build a team for the next ashes now. I do not think having Flintoff back in the side will help at all.
Its time to drop the 2005 Ashes team in preference of younger players. Lets be honest they only played in the 2009 ashes because the coach Struss and the selectors made an absolute mess of the job and panic set in.
We beat an average Austrailian side who if they had had Mr Lee fit would have slaughterd us. They will not stay average for long as the 1 day seies showed.
Flintoff back for England? no he is not fit he should go write a book or somthing. Pick a team on ability not what the media want.
Anyway he is not South African or Irish so why pick him anyway.
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At 28th Sep 2009, SuperhoopMango(Xpert Eleven Mango League Double Winner - Season 1 League I.D 113363) wrote:@#3
You are correct in your statement that England should be building for the next ashes series, but as that is only a year or so away, most of the team will still be about.
Before the Ashes, everyone was talking up Mitchell Johnson into a world-beater and Philip Hughes was supposed to be the best young opener in the world. Therefore, by rights, the Austrailian (sic) side should have given us a walloping without "Mr Lee". However, in any sport, you can only play the team in front of you. England deserved to win the Ashes, and quite honestly from your comments, you can't be an England fan, so why comment?
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At 28th Sep 2009, bow4fowler wrote:As much as I like the bloke I think it is time that we move on. Yesterday proved we are capable of good things, even without Pietersen and Freddie. Having him back makes the players live in his shadows and even hide in them.
If he is only going to be a bit part player, then I do not see why he should be selected. We need consistancy.
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At 28th Sep 2009, betting_guru wrote:Superhoop - Freddie was asked if he would ever consider reversing his decision to retire from Tests. He said: "There would have to be some major medical advances. Over the past few years I've been injured and not finished Test aeries. England and myself have to move on for the good of the game."
He did also say that he was putting ODI and T20 cricket for England and Lancashire ahead of IPL or Australian state cricket.
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Comment number 7.
At 28th Sep 2009, Chizzle wrote:I think for Fred to play tests again he'd need Oscar Pistorius's legs!
I sincerely hope he comes back to play lots more Pro40 games for Lancashire, that would be a massive draw for a club currently in a state of rebuilding, and in massive need of funds from ticket sales. Lancashire should be his first priority ahead of England, given that he's spent much of the last 10 years not playing many games at all for them. The Twenty20 Cup in England would benefit greatly from having Fred there as a figurehead, he's a massive role model for any aspiring cricketer. The one thing I don't understand is why we as English are so mediocre at all forms of limited overs cricket given that outside of county and Test level all games are limited overs. At junior lever all games are effectively Twenty20 style so unless a player starts out his career at county level limited overs cricket plays a big part in development. I've already voiced my opinion over the quite frankly too high number of limited overs international fixtures next season, as I am a big proponent of Test cricket. Six tests just isn't enough in a summer.
Anyway, bit off topic there! Fred, I'm hoping, will be a big figure in cricket even after his retirement from all forms of the game, as his personality will be much missed otherwise on the circuit.
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Comment number 8.
At 28th Sep 2009, carrie wrote:Freddie Who?
A career in television would be very shortlived as not only is he not the brightest button in the box, his slurred delivery (I don't mean when he has had a drink, I mean at any time) would make it impossible to listen to him. Quite honestly he will be nothing to the next generation of people who will need interviewing and that famous "personality" mentioned by chizzleface will be a drawback, not an advantage.
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Comment number 9.
At 28th Sep 2009, chrisdavies38 wrote:Is it just me or does anyone else find it difficult to reconcile Andrew Flintoff’s decent bloke persona with him employing Chubby Chandler as an agent and considering becoming a tax exile in Dubai. Human rights, equal opportunities for women, religious tolerance….. Is money a greater god (apologies) than any of these? Can’t really see it fitting in with his "occasional" drinking either.
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Comment number 10.
At 28th Sep 2009, SuperhoopMango(Xpert Eleven Mango League Double Winner - Season 1 League I.D 113363) wrote:Superhoop - Freddie was asked if he would ever consider reversing his decision to retire from Tests. He said: "There would have to be some major medical advances. Over the past few years I've been injured and not finished Test aeries. England and myself have to move on for the good of the game."
Oliver, that is most certainly true, but do you think it will halt the clamour, if, and when, we lose a couple of tests?
I'm a firm believer that he has done the right thing in getting out whilst the going is good. There aren't many players that can afford to go out at the top.
As I said, I wish him all the best for his Test Match Retirement, and hope he goes all the way as a One-Day player.
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Comment number 11.
At 28th Sep 2009, Surrey fan wrote:Strictly Come Dancing ?
Does anyone really think his dodgy knee will stand up to the rigours of the cha cha and paso doble? the salsa and samba?
Indubitably , no !
I don't see him doing Hole in the Wall a la Darren Gough;he doesn't have a commentator's voice per se and I would have to be convinced about his efficacy as a coach .
I can fully understand why he wants to make money whilst he can, approval is another matter;England need to forget about him and move on .
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At 28th Sep 2009, betting_guru wrote:8 - interesting points, but let's wait and see. I am using a bit of interpretation and Freddie is being a bit guarded, but I can't believe he is thinking of training to be a teacher or an accountant or something.
9 - As anyone who has been to Dubai will tell you, it is as easy to get hold of a drink there as it is in Preston. As to your more serious point, and personally I would never want to live in Dubai, it is very much a temporary base. I am not sure he would want his kids to go to school in Dubai, for instance. And everyone of his ilk needs an agent of sorts!
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At 28th Sep 2009, billionplus wrote:"The world's most famous... " ??!
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Comment number 14.
At 28th Sep 2009, Peter wrote:As long as they don't ever allow him to commentate on cricket he can do what he likes on TV. I will never watch Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here or Come Dancing. He would definitely dumb down excellent cricket coverage which we do not want.
He is the most overrated cricketer we have ever had. He has had 2 good Ashes series (well part series) and other that very little. Look at his statistics,he does not even fit in the same category as Kapild Dev, Jacques Kallis, Botham, just to name a few great all rounders. Another journeyman with a huge reputatiuon his playing career cannot match. He will do well as a celebrity
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At 28th Sep 2009, jeremy_fitch wrote:Question of Sport team captain anyone!? I hope he doesn't go for the reality TV route, although we all know he has the personality to win those sorts of things.
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At 29th Sep 2009, thosknapp wrote:I sometimes think Fred needs a reality check. He's been a great cricketer for England for a number of years and, without injuries, would have had the figures to make him one of the greatest all-rounders of all time. But, he is injury prone and has never done anything to try and limit the possibility. The obvious thing would have been to stop bowling in 2006 and concentrate on being a great batsman; he could easily have done it and carried on playing Tests well into his 30s. To play in the IPL is dangerous for fit players, for those with a history of injury it is suicidal. But what are Fred's plans - the IPL and money! He'll never play for England again, and that's a great shame. A TV career? Quite frankly, I don't think he has the wit to be more than just another blokey pratt like Ian Wright or the brainless buffoons on Top Gear. One is too many! Still, thanks for the memories, Andrew, good luck in whatever you do, and stay off the booze and pies!
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Comment number 17.
At 29th Sep 2009, Foddyfoddy wrote:Carrie
I think you're being a bit hard on Freddie when you say he's not the brightest button in the box. I seem to remember he played chess for Lancashire, which has got to indicate a pretty sharp brain . . .
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At 29th Sep 2009, Sevenseaman wrote:It may be a jab at immortality through the back door, though I will grant he has genuine fitness problems that impel his lateral thinking away from the real thing.
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Comment number 19.
At 29th Sep 2009, steve0930 wrote:Flintoff is obviously a good cricketer, but a Botham? Come on guys - let Flintoff move on - but not my guess, in an England shirt - look at England now - we were dead lucky to beat Australia - now Ponting - there's a class act - as for any swipes about being a british supporter - lets be big enough to welcome debate..
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Comment number 20.
At 29th Sep 2009, robintdh wrote:England shouldn't bow to Flintoff. He was a great player, in patches, but I believe has too powerful an influence over the dressing room.
Some players will be in awe of him, others will try to impress him. It's not an ideal dynamic for a dressing room that needs to focus on winning.
The sooner we get used to a post-Freddie team, the more chance England will have of winning.
This may sound harsh on a former great but you have to be objective and tough.
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Comment number 21.
At 29th Sep 2009, vcfsantos wrote:A few points:
1 - To post #3: I don't think there's been any question of Fred returning to the test side. Other posters have explained that as well. I also don't think we need to 'move on' from the 2005 Ashes side. Of our current ashes winning side, Strauss is the only 2005 vet who played in every test if you disregard Colly's MBE-worthy efforts at the Oval. Harmison, Bell, KP and obviously Fred played in 1, 2, 2 and 4 tests respectively. (Haven't bothered to properly check my stats so ready to be corrected). We have moved on.
2 - For all those suggesting that Fred doesn't necessarily have what it takes up top to be a success on TV: I think you may be surprised. The majority of journalists, columnists etc. who know Fred all suggest that his blokey demeanour only represents a small part of the real man and that he is actually a very insightful and intelligent fella. Some interviews (away from the pitch) that I've seen with him seem to back that up). Anyway, since when was lack of brains a barrier to getting on to primetime TV - its seems to be considered an asset these days!
3 - The author's little aside about Freddie finding out about the birth of his son while in a cab in India with DF should make all of those who slate Fred's commitment to his country stop and think for a moment. He's not the first to miss the birth of a child on tour and he won't be the last but that doesn't lessen the sacrifice in any way.
I am neither a huge fan of Fred or hold any dislike for him. All I know is that he's given me much entertainment over the past few years and thrown in some truly world class performances (esp in 2004 and 2005) to boot. Bar the 06/07 Ashes, I've never seen anything to suggest he hasn't given his all for his country and similarly I think he has conducted himself fairly well since his test retirement, especially with a group of fans and scribes attempting to pick holes in his every action.
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At 1st Oct 2009, koala111 wrote:From what i have heard and seen of Fred on various interviews he always comes accross as an honest and very likeable bloke. The entertainment he has given to England fans over the last ten years means fans should come out in support of truly great sportsman-showman.
A man that has given his all for his country on the cricket pitch and no doubt more to come in the one day format. He deserves his accolades and any succes that comes of the cricket pitch
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At 3rd Oct 2009, mikey19611 wrote:Super Fred - would be an excellent addition to the Sky Sports Team (apologies to ´óÏó´«Ã½)
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At 3rd Oct 2009, TomNightingale wrote:Quote from article above: "tattooed biceps bulging out of his sponsored tee-shirt "
Always seems like a decent bloke. Sadly there is a degree of chavyness about him which may influence youngsters. I think the ´óÏó´«Ã½ has a duty to ask him to cover his tattoos. The tee-shirt as well; the point of paying a fee is (I think) to allow the ´óÏó´«Ã½ to produce quality, commercial free programmes (though with East Enders, wall to wall football and strictly come dancing they are falling down badly).
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Comment number 27.
At 7th Oct 2009, hackerjack wrote:But, he is injury prone and has never done anything to try and limit the possibility. The obvious thing would have been to stop bowling in 2006 and concentrate on being a great batsman; he could easily have done it and carried on playing Tests well into his 30s.
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Errr no, he was never and would never be a specialist batsman. He was a bowler who was good and powerful enough to score heavily at lower levels but ultimately struggled for consistency at the top. Very rarely has his batting done anything special in a match for England, certainly in tests (he has had a few belters in ODIs when the run rate needed accelerating), but his bowling was often critical in many England victories. He did the right thing for his talent in concentrating on the bowling, even if it was wrong for his body.
I don't see him making a 'career' out of TV, I do see him doing a couple of shows, perhaps a regular spot on Cricket AM, a documentary or two about celebrities visiting places of interest, perhaps a pitchside job with TMS even. He has charm and charisma but probably not the ability to pull off long stretches of media work. Either way I can;t see him over exerting himself, he has a young family and is set for life financially (or will be very soon at least).
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Comment number 28.
At 19th Oct 2009, baines4eva wrote:just play for England Freddie
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