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Blog Entry 100

Eddie Mair | 09:48 UK time, Wednesday, 18 October 2006

Congratulations to us all.

Here's a Blog-related query for you, culled from Joe Joseph's Modern Morals column in The Times. He gives his answer in today's Times2, page 3. Wondered if you had any thoughts....here's the dilemma..

"On "googling" the name of my daughter's new boyfriend, we discovered his daily internet blog expressing his intimate feelings about my daughter and their relationship. It feels like snooping, but he must realise that there is a risk of our reading it. Is it wrong to read this, or to let on to him that we are aware of it?"

Comments

  1. At 09:59 AM on 18 Oct 2006, Peter Wharton wrote:

    Don't write anything you would not want your Grandmother to read!

  2. At 10:02 AM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Not only is it the right thing to do, I think you should share the link with the rest of us.

    Are we still doing jokes?
    –â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“â¶Ä“
    George Bush has a heart attack and dies.

    He goes to hell where the devil is waiting for him. "I'm not sure what to do," says the devil. "You're on my list but I have no room for you. You definitely have to stay here, so I'm going to have to let someone else go. I've got three folks here who weren't quite as bad as you. I'll let one of them go, but you have to take their place. I'll even let you decide who leaves!!"

    George thought that sounded pretty good, so he agreed. The devil opened the first room.

    In it was Richard Nixon and a large pool of water. He kept diving in and climbing out, over and over. Such was his fate in hell. "No!" George said. "I don't think so. I'm not a good swimmer and I don't think I could do that all day long."

    The devil led him to the next room. In it was Tony Blair with a sledge hammer and a room full of rocks. All he did was swing the hammer, time after time. "No!" said George, I've got this problem with my shoulder. I would be in constant agony if all I could do was break rocks all day."

    The devil opened a third door. In it, George saw Bill Clinton lying on the floor. His arms were staked over his head. His legs staked in a spread-eagle pose. Bent over him was Monica Lewinsky. She was doing what she was famous for. George Bush looked at this in disbelief for a while. Finally he said, "Yeah, I can handle that."

    The devil smiled and said, "Ok, Monica, you're free to go!!!"

    Boom Boom!

  3. At 10:05 AM on 18 Oct 2006, OnTheLedge wrote:

    Happy Blogday to you! Again ...

  4. At 10:08 AM on 18 Oct 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Congrats!

    Re Modern Morals:

    If the boyfriend is stupid - and immoral(?) - enough to share intimate stuff with the whole webworld, I'd have no qualms in snooping. But, more to the point, I'd want him to stop.

  5. At 10:11 AM on 18 Oct 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Oh, Eddie, and BTW - Have you had any more thoughts about the binders for your blogs yet? Now that we're up to the big 1-0-0, you could produce a special centenary binder, illustrated by the many wonderful pics contributed by bloggers and others?

    Seriously.

  6. At 10:13 AM on 18 Oct 2006, Fifi wrote:

    "Dear Reader,

    "Your daughter's new boyfriend is clearly up to no good and should be horsewhipped forthwith.

    "Next question?"

  7. At 10:15 AM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    On further reflection, I thought "Who on earth Googles the name of their daughter's boyfriend?" Apart from Joe Joseph, obviously.

  8. At 10:33 AM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Well if he's sad enough to put all his intimate thoughts in the public domain then somethings not quite right with him.
    Even worse, what if he said I can't stand her Dad !
    No they are not wrong to read it and they aren't snooping.

    The programme you miss if you work till six -- not forgetting listen again.

  9. At 10:34 AM on 18 Oct 2006, The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:

    The key question here is: "What does his daughter write about her boyfriend in *her* blog?"

    Or even more interesting: what does she write about her father? I'd imagine something like, "I can't believe he'd embarass me in front of the whole nation just to get copy for his column!"

  10. At 10:38 AM on 18 Oct 2006, Chris the Pickle wrote:

    Happy 100 Froglets!

    I think googling the name of your daughter's boyfriend is no worse than googling anyone else's, in fact it's a good way to do a 'background' check!! If this so-and-so is daft enough to bare his soul (ahem) to the WWW, then that's his look-out.

    Having said that, I probably wouldn't tell him I'd found the evidence, as that would doubtless incur wrath from Daughter (and that would probably be too scary for words).

    I would be more likely to try the "A friend of mine googled her daughter's boyfriend, and..." tactic, in front of Twerp-Boy.

  11. At 11:05 AM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    As the information is 'public domain' then there is no reason not to read it, however, once something is read it can't be 'unread'!

    Somehow I have a vision of a large can full of 'pink wiggling things' slowly being opened.

  12. At 11:12 AM on 18 Oct 2006, Charles Hatton wrote:

    I'm in agreement with Big Sister (4). (Always a prudent thing to do, agreeing with anybody who has a prefix "Big"). *

    He must actually want people who know him to read it, otherwise he would have used a pseudonym like "Blogpuss" or "Guitarzan" or something. I use a one - my real name is Muriel Ablethorpe.

    * Is the full stop supposed to be inside or outside the brackets?

  13. At 11:15 AM on 18 Oct 2006, OnTheLedge wrote:

    Oh dear, I can see this is going to be another 'lost' day. I'd made up my mind (yesterday) that I'd restrict my blogging activity the next day (today). But Eddie's got me up and running again.

    And here's the challenge. Which one of us will make it Comment 100 on Blog 100?

    Perhaps I ought to get all the really important things done now, before we get up to the 90s.

    Somehow, I feel this is going to be an Ebay event* ....


    *Not that I've ever bought anything on Ebay, you understand!

  14. At 11:18 AM on 18 Oct 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Is Eddie still having breakfast with Sequin? Or is he wrestling with the scanner again?

  15. At 11:20 AM on 18 Oct 2006, OnTheLedge wrote:

    While there's a bit of a lull on the Blog, can somebody please explain to me, in simple terms, how to take advantage of the tempting offer we are made as we draft our comments?

    I've never used HTML tags before, and did try once to find out about them (through Google), but whatever it was I found out didn't work in practice.

    Which tags? Which styles?

    HELP!

  16. At 11:22 AM on 18 Oct 2006, John wrote:

    Nick Firth and Stainless Steel Cat: it isn't Joe Joseph's daughter. He answers readers' dilemmas, not his own.

  17. At 11:23 AM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    That is exactly the reason why I have been subtly peppering the internet with nuggets of useful information such as "Ian is a highly respected nobel prize winner", "Ian, the world renowned philanthropist, recently donated a billion quid to a worthwhile cause", and "Ian is a highly respected source of common sense solutions to the world's political issues"

  18. At 11:26 AM on 18 Oct 2006, Tom wrote:

    Surely writing about it in a national newspaper and then having it picked up by the ´óÏó´«Ã½ is close enough to telling the chap that it makes the question redundant?

  19. At 11:30 AM on 18 Oct 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    But, Jonnie, here's the 'up' side:

    What a dilemma!

  20. At 11:34 AM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    I've just read something very disconcerting on the Internet.

    Googling for my name turns up mainly links to a satirical news site and lots of recipes (that's what happens when your surname is also a vegetable).

    I Google image search on the other hand turn up this biography,

    “Hmmm, Lets See He Lived, He Died, No Wait He Didn't Die, Or Did He? I Cant Tell.â€

    To be fair some mornings I can't tell myself!

  21. At 11:35 AM on 18 Oct 2006, Stewart M wrote:

    By Heck a Blog when we were all listening to "thought for the day" then another two hours later. Its before any news has happened! Is eddie getting too keen? I'm now waiting expectantly for one about the news. As for putting things in the public domain. Well once its there you have to take the rap.
    So I'm happy to tell all and sundry that as two of my eye triage patients did not attend I have had the plaesure of actually getting caught up with this blog. Its great!
    Whilst ultimately you could say I'm wasting precious NHS resources by not seeing patients its not me that didn't turn up!

    Wish I could think of a decent joke.

  22. At 11:53 AM on 18 Oct 2006, Eddie Mair wrote:

    In response to Nick at number 7, I should say in fairness to the journalist on the Times that the column is a regular one dealing with a range of readers' problems - the one outlined is not his!

  23. At 12:05 PM on 18 Oct 2006, silver-fox wrote:

    Great 100th blog!

  24. At 12:09 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Susie W wrote:

    I'd have a quiet word with the boyfriend and suggest that he learns to "friends lock" his blog posts ;)

  25. At 12:10 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Professor AndycProf here.

    Charles : Inside. (Like this.)
    (but that might be wrong, come back Val!).

    Ledge : it seems the only style we are allowed is italics. To italicise something on this 'ere blog you have to put before the bit-to-be-italicised and after it :

    like this then it comes out on the blog :

    like this

    Clear as mud.


  26. At 12:11 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Joniie:
    Oh dear, due to BlogBlock yet another of my comments has been rendered meaningless ....
    So I'll try with a different 'link', this time a Beeb one

    Incidentaly, when I 'googled' to find the link just now, I got a link to our thread (teehee! - We'll get the profile of WW reinstated to supericon yet!)

  27. At 12:25 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    That BlogBlock seems to have got even bigger .....

    Have the whole team gone for breakfast now? Oh no, just realised the time, they're down at the pub.

    Don't they realise that we bloggers never stop?

  28. At 12:27 PM on 18 Oct 2006, John H. wrote:

    If you Google (and we're not meant to say that) "chris the pickle", you get a link right back to this blog. Works for various others, too.

    The answer to the question asked earlier is "inside".

  29. At 12:28 PM on 18 Oct 2006, r Hackenbush wrote:

    Tom has alreay mae the point that occure to me.

    But I will make a point that Joe Joseph shoul take notice of, or his transcriber above: Internet shoul have a capital ‘I’. I thank you.

  30. At 12:30 PM on 18 Oct 2006, OnTheLedge wrote:

    Well, this is a strange day on the Blog.

    Early blog, followed by Special Commemorative Blog, followed by silence.

    Have all the bloggers gone to a special meeting with Eddie? Where is it? Can I come?

  31. At 12:33 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Ian, an expert on HTML tags, knows that <i> will make your text italicised </i> and replacing the i with a b will make it Bold

  32. At 12:44 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Re: (19) BigSister

    I'm intrigued as to how anyone can stretch as far as writing 8 paragraphs on a Walnut Whip! However it sounds delicious and I'm now drooling at the thought of it.

  33. At 12:51 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Andy wrote:

    With the popularity of myspace and similar sites, many people are now baring all manner of personal details on-line, apparently without a care in the world. I've met several people who are shocked when they find out that you've read something about them that they themselves have put online. There seems to be a failing to recognise cause and effect here.

    So I'd let him know you've read it; if he's embarrassed to find out that her parents have read it, well, maybe that's a lesson that needs to be learned.

  34. At 01:11 PM on 18 Oct 2006, OnTheLedge wrote:

    re 13 above - 1.10 p.m. I can see that this is now going to be a lottery event. As I write this, the last posting is timed at 11.35. In the intervening 90+ minutes since Stewart's posting appeared, there must have been a dozen or more postings which, to date/time, haven't yet appeared.

    Will the 'winner' of the 100th posting award appear out of the blue, along with 80 intervening comments?

    Or is Eddie writing a very long newsletter ...?

  35. At 01:17 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Slightly Off topic.

    So the news is that postmasters are calling for urgent government action to save rural post offices. Seems that too much business is conducted via the Internet. If they don't get enough custom surely they aren't viable then?

    Now, why don't they just organise a few mobile Post Offices to travel around the rural areas ?

    That would solve the problem.

  36. At 01:20 PM on 18 Oct 2006, OnTheLedge wrote:

    like this This is an italicised experiment like this

    Oh dear, I hope Prof is right, or this message will be ridiculous!

  37. At 01:21 PM on 18 Oct 2006, OnTheLedge wrote:

    Okay, so now I'll try it Ian's way:

    I am a running prat
    I am a bold prat

    And for my next trick .....

  38. At 01:24 PM on 18 Oct 2006, The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:

    Hmmm, non-proprietary-web-search-engining on my name brings up a lot of links to car exhaust dealers, except on the second page I found this:

    One of those furry creatures is me...

  39. At 01:25 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Clever Ian! What is &gt?

  40. At 01:29 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    John H

    I'm truly glad you told me about that. I googled myself and found out things about me that I never knew. Or ever wanted to know.

    Sometimes it's best to stay in the dark.

  41. At 01:29 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Poor deluded spotty teenager meets nosy parents with internet powertool. If he writes it, they'll read it, surely he's aware of that. It's the internet version of him standing on the lawn in front of their daughter's bedroom window, singing to her. They'd hear him singing too. Maybe they'd even empty a bucket of cold water out of their bedroom window. What's new?

    The question really is, why are blogs so big? They seem like an extension of this obsession with fame. They are a cheap way of buying yourself into a mind-numbing virtual Big Brother. Bloggers make themselves believe that by disgorging their inconsequential thoughts and describing their boring and pointless days, somehow, someone is going to take an interest, - and discover them for the unique and beautiful snowflake that they are.

    They are free-for-all 15 Megabytes of fame. They are not for reading, they are for writing. Nobody in their right mind actually reads them. Of those who do, only the saddest of all people add comments.

    Whoops.

    Wolf

    PS Your blog, Eddie, excluded. We all know you are a beautiful snowflake.

  42. At 01:30 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Rufus T. Firefly wrote:

    Edide,

    According to a sutdy at Ofxrod Unerstiivy msot pelope can raed and unadetnrsd any mixed up wrod as lnog as the frsit leettr and the lsat lteter are in place. This is bcesaue we read wrods as wolhe and not as leretts in oderr.

    So y'oure smraetr tahn you thohgut hhu?

  43. At 01:32 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Chris the Pickle wrote:

    John H, Charles and Andy cProf; I think it's (outside).

    Yes, googling CtP and others does link you back here...ooo, I'll have to watch what I say...except - no-one knows who I really am! Tee hee...

  44. At 01:48 PM on 18 Oct 2006, OnTheLedge wrote:

    Well, I'll never trust the Prof again. Now I've got egg all over my face!

    Looks like I've got to wait to see if Ian is more reliable .....

  45. At 01:49 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Hi Jonnie,

    I think your idea is spot on. Could also be combined with a postbus facility for remote areas?

    BTW, did you look at the other link? I thought it might make you change your mind about the WW ......

    BigS x

  46. At 01:50 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Stephen, Leader of STROP wrote:

    Italics are created

    <i>like this</i>
    . Hope that helps.
  47. At 01:51 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Eddie (22)

    Why don't you have a go at a column like that?

    The one in the Times is okay, but your's would be much, much funnier.

  48. At 01:59 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Again my previous entry, explaining how, and that you can italicise only (not bold as some people claim), but also the links html tag, has not appeared.

    This will probably remind it.

  49. At 02:00 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    John H, Charles, andy cProf & CtP

    Punctuation goes outside the bracket if the bracketed information is part of a sentence, punctuation goes inside the bracket if the bracketed information is a sentence, or phrase, by itself.

    taken from

  50. At 02:03 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    <i> like this?</i>
    By George! I've got it! What a rigamarole to show
    < and > !

    What it says is that these damned computers are gonna win in the end.
    xx
    ed

  51. At 02:10 PM on 18 Oct 2006, OnTheLedge wrote:

    Success!

    A crown of laurels for Ian!

    (Sorry, I don't do Walnut Whips, Ian - but I am truly grateful to you for that nugget, and I'm sure other bloggers will be, too. Are there any other tags we can use? E.g. for colours?)

  52. At 02:11 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Miss Millicent Fritton wrote:

    What a lovely blog site. Do I need to fill in an application form to join? If so, where do I need to apply?

    Thank you.

  53. At 02:13 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Wolf:

    Are you he of the pecs?

    Well, you got big on the web the other day, didn't you? But we all loved it.
    And this blog is more of a knitting circle, isn't it? Can't think anyone else would really want to read it, just us.

    How cosy.

  54. At 02:19 PM on 18 Oct 2006, OnTheLedge wrote:

    Apropos of absolutely nothing:

    Just heard the continuity announcer describe the Ruth/Sam thing on the Archers as a can of big pink worms!

    Well, I never thought I'd hear that on Auntie!

  55. At 02:21 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Eddie Mair wrote:

    wow!

  56. At 02:22 PM on 18 Oct 2006, OnTheLedge wrote:

    Right, Stephen, I got the hang of the italics courtesy of Ian, but your BOLD is much better than Ian's bold.

    So, then, just how did you do that?

  57. At 02:23 PM on 18 Oct 2006, r Hackenbush wrote:

    Is noboy taking up the baton an ropping their (fourth letter)s toay? Why ever not?

  58. At 02:27 PM on 18 Oct 2006, OnTheLedge wrote:

    MissMF
    Welcome to the silliest blog on (M)air.
    The tone is all down to our Lord and Master.
    Stick around and share the fun.
    OTL
    (A regular contributer and one-time competition winner)

  59. At 02:27 PM on 18 Oct 2006, John H. wrote:

    Golly, we're an educational lot - just think how many people have hard-coded html for the first time since this blog popped up.

    On that theme, parenthesised full-stops. My logic is fairly simple on the matter. If the bracketed bit (technical term) is inside the sentence, then the full stop goes outside, even if the bracket comes at the end (like this).

    However, if the bracketed bit (oo, technical again) is outside of a sentence - and therefore a sentence in it's own right - then the full stop goes on the inside. (Like this one.)

    The difficulty for me is when you need another sentence in the brackets (like this. Or like any number of other examples[here])[here] [or both - I'd prolly go for both being a bit of a pedant]

    Wolf's rant is interesting. Whilst I accept that the whole blog jobby is odd - and there are undoubtedly lots of people who fit "the description of wolf" (thus avoiding gender specific possessive pronoun) - there are clearly some rather more profound things happening. In some cases, it's just a matter of people gaining "voices" - I know I have a little bit - I'd barely ever contributed to anything like this before. Accepted, I'm only commenting on a frog, but perhaps one day I will have a blog all of my own. The other thing that occurs to me is that there must surely be a "construction of identity" issue for some of the more popular blogs - are they really people's lives? Or is it a modern form of story telling. Hm, echoes of the Front Row discussion last night with Andrew Motion and fiction in poetry. Perhaps I shall have a lie down and contemplate the world some more.

  60. At 02:34 PM on 18 Oct 2006, OnTheLedge wrote:

    Jus for ou, Hac

  61. At 02:39 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Advice to John H

    I should keep off the Post Modernism for a while, that should cure it. :)

  62. At 02:41 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Anne P. wrote:

    The problem with mobile Post Offices (#35 & 45) is that while they might replace the Post Office they could not replace the other functions of the small village shop.

    Currently the one in my mother's village takes dry cleaning, receives medication ordered from the chemist 4 miles away, acts as a local clearing house for information (hatched, matched and despatched plus how to get a plumber etc.), displays posters for local events, not to mention selling food, greetings cards, newspapers - you name it they can get it. At ninety my mother is able to stay in her own home because the village shop is only 50 yards from her, without it impossible.

    Without such a village focus you don't have a village - I live in one that lost its shop several years ago on the promise of a local Post Office within a mile. Now that's gone too and we have to drive to get to the nearest - no buses either...

    ...and when the oil runs out, will anyone be able to live in the countryside........

  63. At 02:49 PM on 18 Oct 2006, John H. wrote:

    I can't tell if we've sorted the html thing of not. Tho' by the look of it, Stephen, Leader of STROP, has also found the preformatted tag as well.

    <i>for italics</i> = for italics

    <b>for bold</b> = for bold

    <pre>for preformatted</pre> =

    for preformatted

    Obviously, there's only a limited amount of use for the last one! I haven't found any others that work.

  64. At 02:50 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Well, that blinkin' preview don't work much.

    My (muddy) explanation looked cool and educational when previewed, and when it finally arrived frogged, all my clever less-thans and greater-thans got interpreted as tags.

    Tcha!

    Mr Cat, O Great One : how dust though enbolden?

    Some time ago the normal less-than-sign-b-greater-than-sign stopped working, and I've tried "strong" to no avail.

    • You are a Wizardly Cat!
  65. At 02:52 PM on 18 Oct 2006, OnTheLedge wrote:

    Eddie It just gets better and better, doesn't it?

  66. At 02:55 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Wheeeeeeeeeee ........this is more fun than the Tate Modern installation!

  67. At 02:56 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Robbi_o wrote:

    Re ropping the 4th letter.

    I think that it woul be a reaful iea as some wors like aitive and oecaheron woul simply be far too har to ecipher. Lor knows its ifficult enough to unerstan the iabolical rivel that some people contribute, you excepte Eie, without aing neeless an aft ifficulties.

  68. At 03:01 PM on 18 Oct 2006, John H. wrote:

    I know this is more than a little cheeky, but I'm currently just trying to identify what I use my computer for. I need to do this for some research I'm involved in - and need to do it really quickly or else I'm going to be in big trouble. The sorts of things I'm thinking of are the "generic actions" or "generic tasks" that I perform with the various different applications I use. I've currently got:

    Send/receive email
    Browse the web
    Create/edit/read word processed documents
    Create/edit/read text documents
    Create/edit/read PDF documents
    Create/edit/read spreadsheets
    Create/edit/view presentations
    Create/edit/view image files
    Carry out calculations
    Play CDs
    Play DVDs
    Play mp3 files

    It's not rocket science. I'm sharing this with you because I'm hoping I can elicit some others that would never occur to me. If you've got something that you use your PC for on a fairly regular basis that's not covered above, would you mind sharing? Along with the application you use? So other examples might be:

    Create/edit web pages - Frontpage
    Create/edit/view mind maps - MindManager Smart & Freemind

  69. At 03:05 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:
    • Well this is fun
    • Wheeeeee!
    • As I can't think of what
    • to say here in this funny format
    • I'll just say
    • that I on't
    • know what
    • to say!
    • :)

    Only one (4th letter) to elete, there.

  70. At 03:06 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Stephen, Leader of STROP wrote:

    I have no idea how I got bold, except I always seem to get bold after using <blockquote></blockquote>
    As follows

    here is a quote

    and this will be bold
  71. At 03:09 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Vyle Hernia wrote:

    Re 51
    This is an attempt to display RED. It doesn't show up on the preview, though. Probably we are limited to italics and bold plus lynx.

  72. At 03:10 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Vyle Hernia wrote:

    Re 68

    Mainly Play Freecell. Sad or what?

  73. At 03:12 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Re: BigSister (45)

    Mmm! well if it is poisoned there will be no getting away from who's responsible.

    Thanks for agreeing with my superb solution to the Post office crisis, I see all the other froggers found worthy of a response, but the more I think about it the more it makes sense.

    Now a quick word to Miss Millicent Fritton (52) who sounds a lovely lady -- Yes you are welcome to join us all. We have a ball and discuss all sorts of things.

  74. At 03:12 PM on 18 Oct 2006, John H. wrote:

    Oh, I forgot to add something to my html tag comment - something that Andycrdamnitdidn'tworkagain pointed out:

    If you're trying to be clever and show the angle brackets ("less than" and "greater than" symbols using &lt; and &gt;) then either don't preview, or else preview and then use your browser's back button to go back to editing/posting. The code you write gets interpreted and converted to the symbol you're trying to show during the "preview" process. If you then post from that point, they actually format the text rather than show how to. Does that make sense? In short, don't preview!

  75. At 03:13 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    On my list would be :

    • Time, energy and other resource sapping

    ER, that's it.

  76. At 03:14 PM on 18 Oct 2006, r Hackenbush wrote:

    This is a text colour experiment. If it looks the same as all the rest, then the coding in question does not work here...

  77. At 03:16 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    If you use Windows (other operating systems are available) then you'll be doing lots of non-productive tasks like updating your anti-virus software, firewalls and the like... :)

  78. At 03:16 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Congradulations on your blog. I have one based on the legends surrounding the birth of Kim Jong Il. I will give the official version then I will give my version.

    North Korean TV: [Female Singer interpreting pop style music in G Major]"When Kim Jong Il was born, the Mountains Parted, The Clouds opened and he came down from Heaven. When he shouts, storms happen....." and there is Kim Jong Il riding a horse like a cowboy.

    Alvarez-Galloso: "When Kim Jong Il was born, the mountains farted, the clouds opened and he was spit out of heaven. When he shouts, farts and burps always happening" Film finishes with Kim Jong Il burping, farting, and riding a horse that defecates continuosly.

    Another one is that everytime Bush farts, he looks for Weapons of Mass Destruction.

  79. At 03:20 PM on 18 Oct 2006, John H. wrote:

    Crikey, andycrmagician, how did you do that? Apparently separate comments all under one header? Presumably using one of the list tags?

    The missing letter thing has an interesting history. I'm sure you can all Google as well as I can, but there's certainly "Gadsby" by Ernest Vincent Wright, and "La Disparition" by George Perec - both books written without the letter 'e'. Apparently the latter was translated into English, also with 'e's. Presumably "nglish" then.

    I mentioned Dougla Hofstadter a while back - his book "Le Ton beau de Marot" discusses it at more length.

  80. At 03:26 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Re Anne (62) and the PO

    I take your point Anne but this issue is really about sustaining the Post office, not the village shop. The administration required to keep a rural post office going to serve a few customers is clearly not viable. Your Mother could also be served by a care assistant in a van who could arrange several of the services you listed.

  81. At 03:28 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Oh dear (wipes tear from eye) this is so much fun today ..... But I've got to head off now for an injection!

    I shall miss all this. Whatever you do, don't start behaving!

  82. At 03:28 PM on 18 Oct 2006, John H. wrote:

    Thank, Vyle (or should that be Vy?) - this research doesn't recognise "sad" (or "worthy" for that matter). I was going to add "playing games" but thought this might suggest "gaming" the way "gamers" mean it - I rarely get beyond Pinball...

    I'll add it to my list.

  83. At 03:28 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:
    1. Thanks John H(.). That's real lateral thinking!
    2. I must lie on my side when trying to solve problems in the future :)
  84. At 03:35 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Stephen, Leader of STROP wrote:

    I fear the problem with using HTML tags in these blog comments, is that we cannot be entirely certain how the various <techno>Cascading Style Sheets<techno> are set up.

    I fear that the style for <strong> and <bold> has all become a little confused, and the styles that Andy is using is probably been set up so as to make another part of the blog page look right.

    HTML pages can be something of a black art to do properly, which is why some are so browser specific.

  85. At 03:36 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Dr Hackenbush wrote:

    At least he wasn’t born from an egg on a mountain top.

  86. At 03:36 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Yes, big sister. And I had a ball finding the postcard on the blog, too.

    Is you knitting circle always as surreal as today?

    Wolf

  87. At 03:37 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Muriel Ablethorpe wrote:

    Thank you very much John H, Andy, ChrisTP for your thoughts on brackets and full stops. Very enlightening! Up until now my use of them has been entirely random - inside, outside, forgotten altogether - perhaps Valery P will have the final word when she returns.

  88. At 03:39 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Aha r Hack! Not only oes your colour test not work (I trie that some time ago, and was equally isappointe) but you've not roppe your 's.

    I think all we get is italics,


    • unorered lists


    blockquotes
    and bol.

    Except you can't turn off the bol.

  89. At 03:40 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Stephen, Leader of STROP wrote:

    I've just realised that we haven't heard from Appy today.

    Does someone want to take her up a glass of Alka-seltzer?

  90. At 03:44 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    INJECTION,

    Not to do with my Walnut Whip I hope

  91. At 03:45 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Anne and Jonnie,

    The Post office often sustains the village shop. An old friend once likened a community to a three-legged stool - shop, pub and school. Lose one and you lose the community.
    xx
    ed

  92. At 03:48 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Yes John - an unordered list :
    <ul>
    <li>blah-de-blah</li>
    <li>blah-de-blah2</li>
    </ul>

    I've posted one with an ordered list - I might be able to take us to 100 a bit quicker that we thought ...

  93. At 03:50 PM on 18 Oct 2006, F.T. Fong, Kuala Lumpa, Malaysia wrote:

    You Brits, have me rolling on the floor!!

  94. At 03:53 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Dr Hackenbush wrote:

    Aperitif is at the Elk-o-hole...

  95. At 03:58 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Except you can turn off the bol.

  96. At 03:59 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    I am beginning to regret opening the Pandora's box of HTML style tags.

    Ian was the inventor of sliced bread

  97. At 03:59 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Zoltan Pepper wrote:

    Gee this is a busy blog today.

  98. At 04:03 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    John H (68)

    You forgot

  99. Burning CD's - Roxio

  100. Listening to PM - Real Player

  101. Designing web pages (dreamweaver)

  102. Making telephone calls (Skype)

  103. Process Orders

  104. Shoot Things

  105. At 04:05 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Sara wrote:

    Charles at 12 - your secon full stop is correct (outsie the brackets) but your first full stop (after 4 in brackets) shoul not be there. That's because the phrase you put in brackets is not a complete sentence.

    Not many fourth letters here I'm afrai.

  106. At 04:07 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Who needs a village shop when we've got ?
    xx
    ed

  107. At 04:09 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:
    1. SB100?
  108. At 04:09 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Nearly 100

  109. At 04:09 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Tony - you have some work to do!!

  110. At 04:10 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Susan Orty-Boyden wrote:

    This is getting very exciting. I wonder who the hundreadth (100) will be?

  111. At 04:14 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Andy Walker wrote:

    Are we celebrating the 100th Blog by not getting a newsletter?

  112. At 04:16 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Stephen, Leader of STROP wrote:

    Okay so now we can create multiple entries

  113. This one

  114. will end up as a separate entry to
  115. This other one

  116. This is going to get silly
  117. At 04:24 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Rufus T. Firefly wrote:

    Does anybody know how to do italics?

  118. At 04:24 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Great. The 100th blog on the 100th blog is a ****-up!

    About right then.

  119. At 04:26 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Dr Hackenbush wrote:

    Ouch - people getting naughty.

  120. At 04:29 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Robbie_o wrote:

    This is very isappointing. Messages 98 to 104 concatenate to steal the 100th entry. isgraceful tactics to grab the glory but amned if i on't amire the technique.

  121. At 04:29 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Ouch! I didn't think that a numbered list would do that.

    OOP's

  122. At 04:34 PM on 18 Oct 2006, HTML guru wrote:


    This could be very interesting - I don't know how this will turn out

  123. Hello
  124. At 04:40 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Balther - you forgot the all important <ol> and </ol> bits I think.

    We'll forgive you, you can claim the 100th entry if you like if you write out 100 lines "I will not use HTML tags for style", but not using a computer :)

    And so will we all, except for italics, and the occasional enboldenedness ... perhaps...

  125. At 04:41 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Robbie_o (116)

    Completely unintentional, the prize shoud go to Ed Iglehart (106).

    This is an example of why you never give the monkeys the keys to the banana plantation!

    Where are the grown-ups when you need them.

  126. At 04:45 PM on 18 Oct 2006, John H. wrote:

    Absolutely brilliant. We've broken the frog. This is what happens when you let people loose with technology - they experiment.

    No you-know-whats!

  127. At 04:47 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Dr Hackenbush wrote:

    Go and stand in the corner. You all know who you are.

  128. At 04:49 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Gladstone Bagge wrote:

    F. T. Fong (93)

    You Brits, have me rolling on the floor
    I apologise for any injury you have sustained whilst playing football against our First XI.

  129. At 04:53 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Anne P. wrote:

    So busy watching for #100 failed to notice no newsletter so far today.

    Is Dr Muir so taken up with the mis-timing of Big Ben's chimes that he has failed to hit the 'send' button?

    Lissa where art thou?

  130. At 05:00 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Anne P. wrote:

    OOps - just noticed there's another blog posting about the failed newsletter.....

  131. At 05:06 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Anne P : There's a new blog, another multiblog day today. At least that one's not broken, yet.

    Lesley B is asking there how to do italics. Shall we tell her?

  132. At 05:17 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

  133. hee hee
  134. At 05:31 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    ok, I'll stop it now.

    That was an attempt to force the number to be 100, but a miserable, embarrassing failure.

    Sorry again.

  135. At 06:31 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Stephen, thanks for hoovering up and thanks for the hangover cure. I'm glad I didn't join in earlier - you''ve all made a terrible mess today!

    Behave yourselves at once!

  136. At 08:07 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Frances O wrote:

    r Hac, how i you o toay with not using the fouth letter at work?

    Well, if the 100th entry had to be a list or whatever, at least it was about listening to PM!!!

    btw, do you think all these multiple blogs were all about Eddie going for the century???

  137. At 09:14 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Dr Hackenbush wrote:

    Easy - I just in’t o any work.

  138. At 09:28 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Muriel Ablethorpe wrote:

    Thanks Sara for your very clear explanation. I found unequivocal examples of both in the Sketch in today's Indie. Little things matter!

  139. At 10:05 PM on 18 Oct 2006, Eddie de Nantes wrote:

    Which tags can be used
    Above there are partial answers to this, i.e. how to alter the appearance/format of submissions. Ideally, we rarely need to use these -- most people don't and their entries are not lacking. However for them that want to know ...

    The Beeb prob says which HTML tags for Movable Type they respect (as per the Movable Type User Manual chapter Comments -- ).

    Tags are enclosed in angle-brackets and surround the text you want to change the attributes thus: <i>Italic and <b>bold-italic</b></i> = Italic and bold-italic
    Do terminate tags, as after "bold-italic".

    Respected tags appear to be:
    b, strong -- for emboldening
    i, em -- for italicizing/emphasizing
    p -- for a paragraph break
    blockquote -- will block indent the encapsulated "quote"
    pre -- retain your formatting (spaces) and display it in a fixed-width font
    ol -- for lists with
    li -- for each list item. There seems little point in using these last two.

    ul and br/ -- don't work (didn't for me).

  140. At 10:46 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Eddie d N (138)

    Bold is generally thought not to work in native html here. It can occur after blockquote for unknown reasons.

    You missed out <a href=" (website)"> link reference</a>, the only other html tag that reliably works.

    Others that do have an effect may have eccentric results. I refer others to for a better way for people to respond, where you can click on little icons for the correct code to appear. Another blantant plug for my blog, but what the hell. It's not going to get to PM's level...

    In any case, welcome to you and other newbies to this frog. Many were hung over after Aperitif's party last night, so it was reliatively quiet today.

  141. At 10:58 PM on 18 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Oh boy, I leave you lot alone for a day, and it all goes kablooie! What's been going on? Did someone hold an HTML course and not invite me????

  142. At 08:58 AM on 19 Oct 2006, Stephen, Leader of STROP wrote:

    FF

    No, no course has been held. I think we've just been experiencing the blog's worst e-hangover.

    Now has anyone got any pictures from the virtual party... I need to see who did anything embarassing!

  143. At 09:31 AM on 19 Oct 2006, OnTheLedge wrote:

    Ian (96)
    If you look back to (13), you'll see that you don't actually have responsbility for opening this particular Pandora's Box, but were simply responding, in a very gentlemanly way, to this poor maiden in distress.

    And I've really appreciated the help offered by various contributors, many of which suggestions have been found to work. But, sadly, not all.

    I agree with another contributor (sorry, can't find the posting at the moment) who requests a facility on the webblog to help us 'do' this stuff. I think that was rather what I hoped the Beeb might do .....

    Perhaps I was hoping in vain. Though, there again, Lissa might look into it?
    Let's try to bring her round to that idea!

  144. At 09:41 AM on 19 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Well, I've got a photo out of my hotel room showing a building site, does that count?

  145. At 08:02 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Brachystegia spiciformis wrote:

    Re: 68. At 03:01 PM on 18 Oct 2006, John H. wrote:

    Create/edit/view/download to unit: GPS tracks, waypoints and routes (for walking, not driving). Various proprietary packages plus some freeware offerings.

    Thank-you.

  146. At 01:52 PM on 20 Oct 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Yes, Fearless, let's see it.

    Shall I post those I took through the knowhole?

  147. At 02:23 PM on 20 Oct 2006, John H. wrote:

    Brachystegia spiciformis, 144, good one! Ta.

  148. At 03:00 PM on 20 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Okay, I've posted them up onto a certain brand-name photo sharing site. I warn you, they aren't exciting at all

  149. At 04:10 PM on 20 Oct 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    The centre of Antwerp? Are you sure it's not the set of "Prime Suspect" or "Murphy's Law" or some such 'show'? Grim!

  150. At 11:10 PM on 20 Oct 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Oh, that's annoying - I posted this afternoon in response your photos Fearless, but it hasn't shown up.

    The essence of my point was - bleak innit?

  151. At 12:13 AM on 21 Oct 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    ...and they both appear together! That's happened to me before - it's as if the first one gets stuck and needs another to push it through. Annoying.

  152. At 08:05 AM on 21 Oct 2006, wrote:

    It was pretty bleak! I tried to have a wander in the evening, and even though the rest was better, it was still very underwhelming....

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