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Eddie Mair | 14:01 UK time, Thursday, 19 October 2006

In the absence of a newsletter (see previous postings) here's a quick flavour of the programme tonight, as it looks at 14.00. We expect a result in the employment tribunal case of Aishah Azmi, who was suspended from her job as a teaching assistant for refusing to remove her full veil in the classroom.

Also: a stay of execution for the Leeds man on death row in Pakistan - we'll talk to his brother. We'll look at what the spooks think of the terror threat to Britain, and we may talk to the Bishop who's started an ad campaign against children dressing up as spooks. Oh the wordplay. Oh the agony. Oh the Deadwood Stage (finish this yourself)

Comments

  1. At 02:39 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    This is getting very strange. Not only does the newsletter get jammed somewhere, but we get error messages when we go to make a comment

    What is happening up there? Not a question for you, Eddie - we don't blame you at all, and are grateful for all the trouble you go to on our humble behalfs.

    On a lighter note, is it our blogging that's making for wordplay? We'd like to think we help a bit.

    LOL x

  2. At 02:41 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Anne O'Rack wrote:

    Ah ha.

    Someone deliberately fouled up the coding in the hope of a bit of peace and quiet?

    If I can struggle round it, the others won't have any difficulty.

  3. At 02:44 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Anne O'Rack wrote:

    OK, so it's fixed now.

    Anyone care for a portion of this egg on my face?

  4. At 02:54 PM on 19 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Why Mr. Mair, with these puns you're spoiling us!

  5. At 02:59 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Mark Intime wrote:

    A flippant though: would Aishah Azmi's theme song be "I only have eyes for you"?

  6. At 03:00 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Lissa, PM Blog Keeper wrote:

    re HTML TAGS

    I've been speaking to Richard, the new blog wizard, and he's very kindly provided me with a list of tags to jazz up your comments. He says that, "it looks like the default set of tags is enabled"...I hope this means they will work. Treat yourselves and have a go.

    Where I've put { } you should put the html arrows:

    {a href} for links
    {b} or {strong} to make bold
    {i} or {em} to italicise
    {br/} for a line break
    {p} for a new paragraph
    {ul} to underline
    {ol} and {li} for lists
    {blockquote} to indent and separate quoted text

    Example:

    I'm really enjoying reading the {b}PM blog{/b} at the moment; it's {i}very{/i} amusing.

    comes out as

    I'm really enjoying reading the PM blog at the moment; it's very amusing.

    Does this make any sense?

    Lissa

    PS apologies for the earlier problems with posting comments...yet again "the queue" was to blame.

  7. At 03:06 PM on 19 Oct 2006, OnTheLedge wrote:

    Hi guys,

    Seems a bit quite out there at the moment, so thought I'd ask for a bit of help.

    Are any of you familiar with the little download of a guy trapped behind the screen of your PC and who taps mournfully, trying to get out? Appealing for help? Perhaps it's a new one on you, but it was certainly around a couple of years ago and used to crease me up when I was feeling down.

    So, the favour: If you do know the link I mean, and have access to it, and assuming it hasn't be found guilty of any misconduct, perhaps you could share it with us - I think it might help Eddie at the moment, too.

    After all, if it's trapped in there, it might as well help Eddie to sort out the Newsletter bloggage, don't you think?

  8. At 03:08 PM on 19 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Spooks? Isn't a bit early for hallowe'en?

  9. At 03:11 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Joe Palooka wrote:

    Chris Evan's newsletter works o.k. - Mine arrived at lunchtime.

    Thanks Chris.

  10. At 03:11 PM on 19 Oct 2006, The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:

    I seem to have an increasing number of my posts disappear into the depths of the Borg Queue.

    Between that and the possibility that this blog might disappear again at any moment like Brigadoon (Blogadoon?), I think I can say whatever I like in this post and no-one will ever see it. So...

    Whipcrackaway, whipcrackaway whipcrackawaaaaaayyyyy!

  11. At 03:15 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Rufus T. Firefly wrote:

    Lissa (5)

    Tell me that again?

  12. At 03:20 PM on 19 Oct 2006, OnTheLedge wrote:

    Okay, Lissa, that's great - except your own entry shows that the bold bit just doesn't.

    So, while it makes sense, it doesn't add up (ha ha)

  13. At 03:22 PM on 19 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Umm Lissa? It looks like the bold still isn't behaving itself, even for you... Mind you I haven't tried strong as a tag. Time for a little test, I think:
    bolded text, maybe?

      italics, bold, underlined?

    Is this a block quote?
  14. At 03:30 PM on 19 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Lissa,

    I'm afraid that even in your own example, the emboldened bit did not come out bold. Emboldening seems to happen after the {/blockquote}.

    And you only have to look at yesterday's blog to see what fun can be done with some of the other tags!

    Now was that example sentence an example, or a heartfelt expression?

  15. At 03:38 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Susan Orty-Boyden wrote:

    Eddie,

    No newsletter yet again. Oh dear!

    What were you doing with your computer at the time the problem occured?

    Do you have any independent witnesses of the problem?

  16. At 03:50 PM on 19 Oct 2006, wrote:

    'Ledge, I don't know the one you mean, but you might like the video on site to cheer you up as well :o)

  17. At 03:53 PM on 19 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Lissa (6)

    As you can see <b> is one of the tags that does not work.

    I have to be honest thought I can't see anything in the css that redefines it!

  18. At 04:02 PM on 19 Oct 2006, OnTheLedge wrote:

    Mad ravings from BH

    Andy Cragg and Anne: Is this Blog Entry 100?
    Fearless Don Keys: We have a new Newsletter, No Newsletter.... a postcard .....An email arrives ......Perhaps I misunderstood the pictures from Heathrow Airport........
    If anyone ............

    "It would really help if Lissa was in the office today." (where did I hear that one before?)

  19. At 04:09 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Does anybody else get the feeling that the blogmaster is a bit slow today? Is Eddie doing everything? Poor lad.

    Do go and get him a cup of tea, quick, he's on air in 50 minutes.

  20. At 04:15 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Sop wrote:

    Its happened again 鈥 you sent the email at 9.45 and it arrived with me at 16.14. I think you need to put an old fashioned rocket up your high tec techie鈥檚 proverbials.
    Sop

  21. At 04:16 PM on 19 Oct 2006, anonymouse9 wrote:

    Substitute the word strong for the word bold between your brackets.

  22. At 04:16 PM on 19 Oct 2006, John H. wrote:

    What is the problem with bold?

    It seems to work OK for me (and others, obviously). But underline has never worked on this frog.

  23. At 04:18 PM on 19 Oct 2006, wrote:

    I think Lissa means where she has etched a squiggle like { and }, in order to become an html wizard, you need to use a < and a >

    And you may get bold and italics. But I never get bold.

  24. At 04:27 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Sandra Jenkinson wrote:

    An email timed at 9.57 arrived at 16.23 this afternoon. Sadly there's no sign of today's newsletter, which I look forward to for relieving a dull afternoon in the office.

  25. At 04:30 PM on 19 Oct 2006, chrissie wrote:

    I rather like getting the newsletter the next mornign when I arrive for work. Forces me to try and remember what was on the program and whether it bore any resemblance!

  26. At 04:36 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Sara wrote:

    Good grief! At 16.25 I receive Eddie's abject apologies emailed this morning at 9.57. What is going on down at the Beeb? I am not resting at all assured. Anything but.

  27. At 04:49 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Peter Wharton wrote:

    The Church should stick with their own beliefs.Hallowe'en came about to replace the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain, the last day of the Celtic year. This is when the Festival of the Dead took place.
    I saw on the 大象传媒 News Web page that parents are no longer reading their chidren bed time stories. I suggest they read them this blog page. Educational and entertaining.

  28. At 04:50 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Nick Murphy wrote:

    Your email from 9:47 has literally just dropped into my inbox at 16:48 - a whole 4 hours and 1 minute behind schedule.

    I hope someone's not put anything in the IT department's water supply, although maybe they should consider it...

  29. At 04:54 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Charles Hatton wrote:

    I passed a closed-down shop in Twickenham High Street today. A pile of unanswered mail could be seen behind the glass door. I wonder if our PM newsletter went there by mistake. Perhaps we will never know ...

  30. At 04:55 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Dr Hackenbush wrote:

    Of no conceivable relevance to the above; some of you might be slightly less than bored to hear - it鈥檚 the way I tell them - that I returned today to discover an unexpected package containing - take a breath - The Fall: The Complete Peel Sessions 1978-2004 CD box set. Great! Now, that was a long sentence, and I鈥檓 supposed to be someone who thinks of himself as good at writing. Next question....

  31. At 04:56 PM on 19 Oct 2006, wrote:

    My Objective (no subject) email didn't get

      here
    until 16.46. Can we have a sweep as to who's stops for more currys?
    xx
    ed


  32. At 04:56 PM on 19 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Same here - prob best to post it to the blog at the same time as posting

  33. At 05:01 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Dr Hackenbush wrote:

    Eddie? Club clapsed? (See headlines)

  34. At 05:06 PM on 19 Oct 2006, OnTheLedge wrote:

    Fred:
    How sweet!
    ThanQ :-D

  35. At 05:43 PM on 19 Oct 2006, wrote:

    I'm glad you enjoyed that 'Ledge :-D I frogged it some time ago, but I thought it was time to put it up again....

  36. At 06:01 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Gareth Greedy wrote:

    Hello

    Who's going to be paying for the further court/ hearings costs?

  37. At 07:53 PM on 19 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Gosh, it's a bit serious in Veil

      Just trying something
    to see what happens
  38. At 08:12 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Frances O wrote:

    So, Doc, how did you survive your d-less day?

  39. At 08:41 PM on 19 Oct 2006, wrote:

    ..hum, so that's how you get bold on this blog. Was given a bum lead earlier (end of blockquote). End an ul (un-something list). Not exactly obvious. I think Roger the new coder needs to explain himself to Lissa. Mind you, not experimented here that much so not sure how the others got multiple entries. I mean, I have work to do as well.....

    By the way, the usual line break html code is <br>, no need for the forward slash.

    Also, some browsers are a bit touchy, so if you do use <p> to start a paragraph, don't forget to end it with </p>; I learnt this bit the hard way.

  40. At 09:13 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Dr Hackenbush wrote:

    (38) Frances:

    About 96% as well as I do any other day.

  41. At 10:01 PM on 19 Oct 2006, wrote:

    SO this is the html tag experiment, blog!
    'strong' for bold and 'i' for italics works then.

    Oh look a blockquote! Better
      underline that
    No that will not work.

    Finally worked out the links on words!

    1. one
    2. two
    3. three
      1. A list. Seems to remove the margin.

        one
        two
        three


        But why bother with all the html junk when a simple 'return' does the same?

        Or 'p' for paragraph?

        Thanks Lisa I have had a go as suggested! Better than nothing, what about some size, colour and font changers! Image tags etc. Oh and fix underline! :-)

  42. At 10:07 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Sara wrote:

    Hi John W at 37. I frogged at 40 on Veil but everyone seems sadly missing tonight. The serious comments there are fine, but we don't want to turn into a blog when we can still be a frog, do we?

    Missing you all.

  43. At 10:33 PM on 19 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Well that did some odd stuff differently to when previewed, mainly with the list things!

    So who can explain the list then? It has added a number to each, and auto bolded them too. But why the white empty boxes, and only 2? very odd.

    Ah perhaps they can 'title', so points made after each are numbered.

    1. one
    2. The first thing on my list is.
    3. two
    4. Then the second thing is.
    5. three
    6. Finaly a third point.
    Hope I have it now!
  44. At 10:51 PM on 19 Oct 2006, whisht - ah wrote:

    Dr H - I am kurious...
    did the whole "d" thing arise from the inimitable (and weird and frightening world of) Mark E Smith?

    just thinking of speaking without consanants an' all...

    bhhffignuuuu prinzz - ah

  45. At 11:26 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Dr Hackenbush wrote:

    No, it came from the historymatters blog site. I had a look there and found the text, 鈥減lease enter some keywords describing your day ... words describing what you id鈥. They id it first!

  46. At 11:33 PM on 19 Oct 2006, Dr Hackenbush wrote:

    By the way, are we actually going to get the PM oldsletter?

  47. At 08:21 AM on 20 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Phew it looks like the serious thread next door has got people all riled up! Probably just as well that I didn't manage to log on after dinner last night, as I'd had a glass (or three?) of the fermented grape juice, so my comments would've been a bit too silly for the "Concerned of Sidcup" and "Outraged of Tunbridge Wells" next door. I suggest we let them have their "discussion" there, close the door quietly, and all convene 'round Eddie's later for some frogging instead:)

  48. At 09:35 AM on 20 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Well there is this thread. Yes I did have a glass of wine last night and may have been a bit hard on John H. I know he'll take it well though.

  49. At 09:37 AM on 20 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Hi Sara (42),

    As FF pointed out this morning, it was getting really rather heated there, with loads of new bloggers, true, but all being serious. In fact so serious, I could not see where to insert some humour to lighten things up, without causing trouble. While like everyone, I have an opinion, it may not be that worthy an opinion, so was not inclinded to get involved.

    Does anyone thing that when the top Brass visited Eddie a few days ago, he was induced to try and get a serious tone to this blog? I mean, this Veil business is not the first time he's started a thread with the intention of being serious, albeit until yesterday we've normally subverted that. There's more than enough blogs - even on the 大象传媒 - for serious comment on serious topics. Or do we have to get the News Quiz to start a blog for our tastes?

  50. At 09:49 AM on 20 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Ah, friday PM, which means Manveen will be trawling through all the blogs for the letters section. I guess if any blog comment is made this week, it'll come from the Veils thread.

  51. At 02:31 PM on 20 Oct 2006, wrote:

    BigSister, I've found this site which sells packets of them. So you could keep 4 back for future competitions

  52. At 03:35 PM on 20 Oct 2006, wrote:

    As this is far away from the current blogs I'd like to take up something that John W wrote at [39] :

    By the way, the usual line break html code is <br>, no need for the forward slash.

    Ah, not true. The forward slash for yer single wotsits (unitary? <img> is another example) is to make it pass tests for good XHTML (of which HTML is a subset, yawn), so <br /> is good XHTML and you can put little icons on your webpage to say you are W3C XHTML 1.0 compliant and get loads more respect from, er, some people.

    Hope that helps :)

  53. At 10:18 AM on 21 Oct 2006, whisht wrote:

    ah - Dr H (48)

    were they interested in our egos too??

    often all you get from blogs... which is why this place is so different..

  54. At 10:21 AM on 21 Oct 2006, whisht wrote:

    It would be interesting to see if on the "serious" threads, the bloggers actually discuss. Do they reply to each other, or is it just a vent for frustration?

    I tried replying to a serious discussion a while back (before the cones were put out for serious traffic) but heard nothing from the person. Hey ho.

    Actually, if anyone knows any students, this would make an interesting bit of research...

  55. At 10:45 AM on 21 Oct 2006, whisht wrote:

    hm - just been to the serious thread (is a veil made of serious threads? anyway..)

    It seems from my skimming that the only people replying to each other - heck even referencing each other - are the regulars.

    I've got nothing against venting frustration and leaving it at that but... actually, maybe I do. The issue is about us educating ourselves, talking to each other. Yeah, I know, it ain't gonna get us world peace tomorrow, but... we all change the world around us by everything we do and don't do.

    doo bee do be dooo

  56. At 12:12 PM on 21 Oct 2006, Mr. I. Kew wrote:

    Replies to others
    Will be a waste of my time
    If they don't check back.

  57. At 12:14 PM on 21 Oct 2006, Mr. I. Kew wrote:

    Now I realise
    Ther's a flaw in my logic.
    Damn, damn, triple damn.

  58. At 12:42 PM on 21 Oct 2006, whisht wrote:

    hm, initial try
    reply to one seeking here
    me myself and I

  59. At 01:00 PM on 21 Oct 2006, Mr. I. Kew wrote:

    No longer alone,
    I am happy to welcome
    A kindred spirit

  60. At 05:40 PM on 21 Oct 2006, whisht wrote:

    blimey, what to say?
    cover on the well, lifted
    but no pail inside

  61. At 08:32 PM on 21 Oct 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    I once had a go
    But I fear it was quite poor
    So I shall just say

    Whisht (55) - I noticed that too - we regulars have learned to behave differently than they do on other blogs.

  62. At 10:03 PM on 21 Oct 2006, Dr Hackenbush wrote:

    One two three four five
    Six seven eight nine ten plus
    Have I got it yet?

  63. At 11:45 AM on 22 Oct 2006, whisht wrote:

    Dr H ha ha
    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
    ha ha ha ha ha!!

  64. At 09:20 PM on 22 Oct 2006, whisht wrote:

    Supercalifra-
    gilisticexpiali-
    docious... oh bugger

  65. At 10:19 AM on 25 Oct 2006, John H. wrote:

    whisht (55) - I think that comment epitomises this frog - a thoughtful, intelligent observation, with self-awareness resulting in "doo bee do be dooo". Brilliant.

  66. At 12:09 AM on 26 Oct 2006, whisht wrote:

    crikey John H, thanks very much.

    I've just been trawling backwards (how far do any of us go back??) and now have had the honour of having really nice things being said about me in a couple of places. all rather humbling really.
    It would seem trite to say "I like your posts too" at this point, though its true.
    I'd dearly love to be insightful or witty now, but just wanna be under the covers, so I'll pop my head in to wherever people've been chatting tomorro night!

    again, thanks!

    :卢)

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