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Mining Kosovo's future

Mark Mardell | 08:14 UK time, Tuesday, 29 January 2008

Underneath my feet are thousands of tons of lead, gold, silver, zinc and copper. I am at the in Kosovo.
Entrance to Trepca mine

Some wait only for for the mine to regain its former glory, but will they wait in vain?

At first sight it seems completely abandoned apart from one person manning the main gate. Then one old miner appears to guide us up four flights of stairs, through a white-tiled building which is deserted and neglected, the white tiling cracked and dirty.

Then we mill about for a bit by one entrance to the mine. Over the door is a sign saying 鈥楪ood luck鈥!

Tracks disappear inside and I venture a short way into the mouth of the tunnel, but it doesn鈥檛 look desperately safe. Some more miners appear. There are no youngsters among them, their faces are tired and lined and several look as though they should be at home, enjoying their pension.

At its height, more than 5,000 people used to work here. But the men tell me there are now only about 600 of them, trying to keep the creaking beast ticking over.

They say when the Serbs left, they stripped the mine of all its equipment. Now, no ore is processed here but sent via two companies, one Swiss and one British.

Wartime attack

One man tells me that during the war he fled his village on a tractor with many relatives. But under attack by Serbian troops they had to run. He had to leave his aunt behind because she was disabled. He says she was burnt to death. This is the sort of thing they are all trying to forget, and which perhaps forces them to be optimistic about the future.

He says: 鈥淜osovo is rich in minerals and rich in farming land, is rich in all other aspects. Here, we provided wealth for so many years for the whole of Yugoslavia, there is no reason why we cannot provide now for just Kosovo. That鈥檚 why I鈥檓 saying Kosovo has a bright future.鈥

It is true Kosovo has the second largest deposits of and there are United Nations plans for large scale generation with the hope that it will eventually export power to the rest of Europe.

steps at Treca mine
But mineral mining doesn鈥檛 make huge profits and this mine is clearly in need of massive investment. Businesses worried about profits in an economic downturn may not rush to put their money in a place that has a questionmark over its future.

We clamber up a steep ladder and then a series of steps cut into the hillside. At the top is the pit head. Rusty sheets of metal cover huge holes in the ground and tools are scattered around on large work benches.

Two miners dressed in thick leather aprons are clambering up the tall gantry clutching huge spanners. They shout and a pile of debris shoots down the hillside, clattering on the road below.

Longing for independence

Abaz Nimani who鈥檚 60 has worked at the mine for 38 years. He is longing for Kosovo to declare its independence.

鈥淚 couldn鈥檛 even tell you all the suffering we鈥檝e been through to get to that day,鈥 he says.
Abaz Nimani

鈥淲e鈥檝e suffered a lot from the communist system and the Belgrade system which has ruled here. But it鈥檒l all be worth it.鈥

and that worries him.

鈥淲e have to do much more to provide new job opportunities for the youngsters. They are just sitting around doing nothing, yet they are very hard working people.鈥

A short way from the mine itself is the HQ. It鈥檚 just as beaten up as the mine itself, adorned with communist-style crossed-hammer symbols.

We poke around for a good while looking for the right building. All look abandoned.

But one shows some signs of life when we tentatively push at the heavy glass doors. Although it seems empty we can hear one voice. Amid all the abandoned offices, a man sits busily looking at spreadsheets.

He tells us we need the next floor. Up the cracked and chipped marble staircase there is more activity and the headquarters of Trepca mine. We meet Nazmi Mikullovci, the manager of Trepca.

He is a man with problems. He tells me that it鈥檚 uncertain who even owns the land. He says in a normal business he could just go ahead and make a decision. Here he has to talk to four different international agencies as well as the Government.

He says this leads to delays that cost them a million dollars last year.

Handcuffed by the system

鈥淪o for me, the independence of Kosovo is not just about my own personal freedom, it means opening up the business and a real chance to change the systems that handcuff us.鈥

But some changes are hard if not impossible to make until Kosovo develops as a country. At the moment it doesn鈥檛 have a pensions scheme.

鈥淚t鈥檚 not about the law, it鈥檚 about morality,鈥 he says.

鈥淚f I get rid of these old workers, they would get 40 euros a month. That鈥檚 pretty close to a death sentence. We have no social insurance, no medical insurance. So tell me what I should do about our rather elderly workers. They are willing to work, they want to work but they are very limited in what they can actually do. It鈥檚 another set of handcuffs.鈥

Finally and officially breaking away from Serbia may be much easier than shedding shackles on growth and development, and without economic success Kosovo will not truly be independent.

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  • 1.
  • At 09:24 AM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Jugoslav Rinas wrote:

Thanks God we don't have diamonds.

  • 2.
  • At 09:58 AM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • seka wrote:

The Trepca Mine was stolen from Yugoslavia by NATO soldiers. Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't NATO soldiers parachuted in on the pretence that the Trepca Mine was polluting the region?

The Serbs didn't leave they were chased out, or as you all like to say today "ethnically cleansed". Let's get the terminology right, Mark.

The reason why the mine is in such a poor state is that there has been no investment in it since NATO took over.

No Mark, the whole article is so ridiculous you just had to live there to see how hilarious it all is!

  • 3.
  • At 10:48 AM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Mak wrote:

The mine in Trepca is close to worthless despite the fact that many in Kosovo are talking it up. The mineral deposits are low grade, making return on any investment marginal at best. Furthermore, Kosovo has always been the poorest part of the former Yugoslavia. Billions were spent on Kosovo on social programs by the socialist government and saw many come from even poorer Albania to search for better living standards. Now it is worse off than ever. Kosovo will never be independant in any sense of the term.

  • 4.
  • At 11:51 AM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • :( wrote:

Trepca mine, well, just reflects the situation among the normal population in Kosovo and Metohija, why? As Mark forgot to mention, 600 workers work at the mine he visited, but he forgot to state how many of these workers Albanians, Roma, Askali, Turks Serbs...were
Let me tell you ALL 600 are Albanians, now lets talk about multiethnic Kosovo and Metohija!
What a joke!
Lets also remember the word of one worker, saying that Kosovo and Metohija provided wealth for Yugoslavia for so many years? Well if this is true how come Kosovo and Metohija now is import dependent 97% in wealth?!
Mark a note to you: get your points straight, be a journalist! Tell the truth!

  • 5.
  • At 11:59 AM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • arian wrote:

We were occupaid Mark by serbs and not that they killed us but we had to work for them,all the benefits from Trepca went to occupaing country serbia,while people in Kosova were suffering.Serbs did leave and we would be happy that they come back and live with us together in peace in a new democratic country with equal rights,but there are some that killed people in front of their families and they know that when they come back they are gona meet the dads ,sisters or brothers of the victims that they killed

  • 6.
  • At 12:02 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Milica wrote:

Agree to previous comment. One of reasons why Albanians in Kosovo want independence is that since NATO occupation the economy is in horrible state, no foreign investments, no factories are working, more than million people is unemployed.

As for Trepca mines, it is Serbian and God willing, it will stay that way!

  • 7.
  • At 12:02 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Milica wrote:

Serbs "left" and the Albanians "fled under attacks".

But my very best from Mark Mardell is "He regularly goes back to Kosovo and is outraged that he can see Albanians working on what he regards as his land." where MM speeks about Serb who "left" Kosovo to live in a refugee camp near Belgrade. Now the fields which are that men's private property are now used by Albanians, and it seems that Mark thinks that this pure guy only "regards" his own farm as his.

So Mark, seems like you say that Serbs lost their right to their own private property on Kosovo when they "left"?

  • 8.
  • At 12:44 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Tringa Krasniqi wrote:

(edited) Oh for God sake ... you people (serbs) live daydreaming all your life. How you are the great nation and everybody harrases you.
All you said in your comment IT ISNT TRUE at all..
Here is the truth:

1) Nato soldiers were not parachuted in Trepca mine but were parachuted to stop the killing of inocennt people
2) Serbs left, were not chased out. They left because they did so many criminal deeds against inoccent people
3) Don't worry about Trepca- it will soon get going and running as it did years ago

For your information Nato runs the security here- UN is the one that plays the central government here

And one more thing: It is so much better since the killing stoped, we can go to school, live our life free and without fear that mercenaries and other agents will come in in our houses and steal and rape what ever is in front of them

This is the reality here and go grow up

  • 9.
  • At 01:20 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Aleksandar Miskovic wrote:

Have you independently verified these claims of suffering or have you just taken them at face value?
How about a trip north of the Ibar river to hear the Serbian side of the story?

  • 10.
  • At 01:31 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Dren wrote:

Dear Seka,
I am astonished from the way that the word "ethnic cleansing" is used in your text. I thought that legally it is a word that must be used for different situations... you can Google a bit and you will find the right terms of use for this specific word!
Regards,
Dren form Prishtina

  • 11.
  • At 01:45 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Ronald Gr眉nebaum wrote:

@seka(#1)

I agree with you that "ethnical cleansing" is probably the more correct term.

And the Serbs are the experts on this as they clearly had the idea first.

Can we now move on, please? Serbia can develop its EU perspective or remain the mentally backwards place that it seems to be. It's your choice.

  • 12.
  • At 01:48 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • lulzim wrote:

the serb always stole minerals from Kosovo land during their occupation and it's very much known that Belgrade, and many other serbia towns, were build from this theft in Kosovo, but this will not happen again, ever, and minerals, especialy those from Trepca mine, now will be used to build Kosovo and Serbia can't do anything about it, and after Trepca begin work,and will begin soon after we declare indpendence, Kosovo will very soon would be an economic strong state, maby the strongest in Balkan.

  • 13.
  • At 01:50 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Al wrote:

seka: what facts do you have about nato pretence that trepca was polluting the region?

most serbs fled because they knew the crimes they had committed againts fellow albanian neighbours.truth hurts sometimes.

  • 14.
  • At 01:57 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • UNE wrote:

What are you talking about Yogu. That is made up. Trepce was stolen from the albanians by the serbs just like the whole region was stolen. Now it is time to give it back and be thankfull that we dont take you to court for back pay on the mine and war damages.

  • 15.
  • At 01:59 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • UNE wrote:

What are you talking about Yoguslavia . That country was made up just like USSR is made up. Trepce was stolen from the albanians by the serbs just like the whole region was stolen. Now it is time to give it back and be thankfull that we dont take you to court for back pay on the mine and war damages.

  • 16.
  • At 02:01 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Agon wrote:

Excellent report!

As far as 鈥淪eka-s鈥 comment, I do live there and the only thing that was 鈥榮tolen鈥 in Trepqa is done so by Serbian government and troops when they occupied the land, once upon the time.

Kosovo/Trepqa have yet to recover from the ruined effects from Serbia. Just like the citizens explained to Mark the terror they went through by Serbian troops.

  • 17.
  • At 02:19 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Al wrote:

seka: what facts do you have about nato pretence that trepca was polluting the region?

most serbs fled because they knew the crimes they had committed againts fellow albanian neighbours.truth hurts sometimes.

  • 18.
  • At 02:26 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Jugoslav Rinas wrote:

Yes, very clever...give us 15% of the territory and you will be ready for marbless achievements of glorious democracy...otherwise you are savages. Funny

  • 19.
  • At 02:33 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • lulzim wrote:

the serb always stole minerals from Kosovo land during their occupation and it's very much known that Belgrade, and many other serbia towns, were build from this theft in Kosovo, but this will not happen again, ever, and minerals, especialy those from Trepca mine, now will be used to build Kosovo and Serbia can't do anything about it, and after Trepca begin work,and will begin soon after we declare indpendence, Kosovo will very soon would be an economic strong state, maby the strongest in Balkan.

  • 20.
  • At 02:46 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • lulzim wrote:

the serb always stole minerals from Kosovo land during their occupation and it's very much known that Belgrade, and many other serbia towns, were build from this theft in Kosovo, but this will not happen again, ever, and minerals, especialy those from Trepca mine, now will be used to build Kosovo and Serbia can't do anything about it, and after Trepca begin work,and will begin soon after we declare indpendence, Kosovo will very soon would be an economic strong state, maby the strongest in Balkan.

  • 21.
  • At 02:47 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Snezana wrote:

( Al and Mark )
鈥nd Albanians desperately push for independence in order to assure that crime that they committed against their fellow Serb neighbors (and land owners ) for last 20years 鈥 with and without NATO鈥檚 help 鈥 stays unpunished, and forgoten鈥
鈥or the sake of the truth let me remind you that EVERY SINGLE WORKING CITIZEN OF THE FORMER YUGOSLAVIA (40% Serbs) USED TO PAY 2% OF ITS EARNINGS FOR THE KOSOVO for twenty years before 1992. From my personal earnings it was taken for 12,5 years and would be polite to get 鈥渢hank you鈥 at least鈥

  • 22.
  • At 02:48 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • legenda wrote:

I can't believe that people can say such outright lies and then keep o repeating them.

Ronald, get your facts straight! First people to get ethnically cleansed in Kosovo were Serbs living there. And it didn't happen overnight. It happened from the period of 1941, when the Nazis came, to the present.

Estimates for the whole war is that something like 6000 people died in the two years of antiterrorist / anti guerilla war operations and 78 days of NATO bombing, on both sides, which means that this was one of the cleanest conflicts in history. So, to say that no one can come back because all of them raped and stole and pillaged is outright lie.

And why is it that when Albanians leave they are 鈥渇orced out鈥 by Serbian guns, and when
Serbs leave the just left and can鈥檛 come back.

Trepca mine was operational until after the NATO bombing and Kumanovo agreement between the Yugoslav Army and NATO, it is the fault of the people who looted everything they could after the army and police left. And those looters were not Serbs, I can guarantee you that. Also, to say that Kosovo exported its wealth is total lie. Every part of former Yugoslavia, and Serbia in particular had to pay for the social needs of Kosovo with its politically motivated astronomical birthrates, as they couldn鈥檛 support themselves.

It would be really nice to see an article that would be written with some research done beforehand so we wouldn鈥檛 have to comment on this nonesense.

Legenda

  • 23.
  • At 02:48 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Sava wrote:

Well, Mark, just another very biased article from you.

How about the whole truth, for once?

It is Serbian land and the mine will stay Serbian whatever political organisation is.

Everything else is just a pure theft and all people involved in it will be responsible. It seems rather sooner than later.

To our citizens Serb of Albanian origin - please check facts first. Serbs suffered for much longer and much more when Albanians had upper hand.

  • 24.
  • At 02:54 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Marko wrote:

This must be the travel of an amater economists who comes and goes and tries to make a story from the people he met who seem to be all Albanians. Who told him that Kosovo was ever rich, funny no investment... and there will never be any. what is the UN's plan? Mark! it seems like the Serbs are the occupiers in there own land and not the US and EU solders that are there... who also killed and burned many civilians to get there, (they just did it from the air) what a funny twist. Why dont you go to Turkey and rally the independents of the Kurds or is that not in fashion right now?

  • 25.
  • At 03:04 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • kushtrim wrote:

People...!!
Mark did only see the reality and that reality was written down by him!
And that is just a drop of reality in the ocean.
I do never stop being worried about you people, especially "new" generation of Serbia, why don't you look forward just like we do, why do you follow the "bad" steps taken by some fictious people that got Balkanks back in time, why?
CAN'T you just look back on what we have suffered until now, or you just don't want to...
Be positive, life is beautiful, just try to live and look forward to your childrens future...
Think about it (just once if possible)...

  • 26.
  • At 03:22 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Betim Saraci wrote:

It鈥檚 funny to read these articles and see how hatred still remains portrayed in greater emphasis by those that actually imposed violence, brutality and bloodshed, rather than the ones that were exploited in every political, social and religious way. Serbs, honestly, get over it, Kosovo will be an independent state whether you like it or not! It will have greater international allies and status than any Serbian leader would have ever pledged.

Seka, what on earth are you talking about? Please remind us all when Trepca EVER belong to Serbia. If you consider protectionism of one鈥檚 land to be stealing, please give us your absurd view on the Kosovan and Bosnian lives that the vindictive Serbian regime took. How ironic of you to consider this to be 鈥渟tolen鈥.

  • 27.
  • At 03:26 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • legend wrote:

I can't believe that people can say such outright lies and then keep o repeating them.

Ronald, get your facts straight! First people to get ethnically cleansed in Kosovo were Serbs living there. And it didn't happen overnight. It happened from the period of 1941, when the Nazis came, to the present.

Estimates for the whole war is that something like 6000 people died in the two years of antiterrorist / anti guerilla war operations and 78 days of NATO bombing, on both sides, which means that this was one of the cleanest conflicts in history. So, to say that no one can come back because all of them raped and stole and pillaged is outright lie.

And why is it that when Albanians leave they are 鈥渇orced out鈥 by Serbian guns, and when
Serbs leave the just left and can鈥檛 come back.

Trepca mine was operational until after the NATO bombing and Kumanovo agreement between the Yugoslav Army and NATO, it is the fault of the people who looted everything they could after the army and police left. And those looters were not Serbs, I can guarantee you that. Also, to say that Kosovo exported its wealth is total lie. Every part of former Yugoslavia, and Serbia in particular had to pay for the social needs of Kosovo with its politically motivated astronomical birthrates, as they couldn鈥檛 support themselves.

It would be really nice to see an article that would be written with some research done beforehand so we wouldn鈥檛 have to comment on this nonesense.

Legend

  • 28.
  • At 03:28 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Alex wrote:

Please do not forget that Kosovo is/b> Serbia historically and therefore, could not possibly be 'invaded' by Serbs.
It would be useful also if you could enlighten your blog readers about the history of the region and provide parallels with what might happen with your own country. Would you be writing something like "...when the British left [the now independent Middlesex], they stripped the river of all houseboats..."?

  • 29.
  • At 03:58 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Mirel wrote:

Dear Seka!
I think you are right.Serbs didn't do anything during 1990-1999.Aliens did.Aliens did exterminate Vukovar and mass killings in Sebrenica.Aliens did rape catholic nuns in Croatia and used to bomb Sarajevo market on daily basis.Also aliens not serbs did killings in Kosova.Serbs are innocent,they are saints.After reading your comment I can see how brainwashed serbian people are.Now I understand that Nikolic who is anti West is leading in the polls.About Kosova and Mirtovica.If you read a little history:All seruous encyclopedies stress that "In ancient times, Kosovo was part of a bigger region called Dardania. Its native Dardani people were an Thraco-Illyrian tribe, ancestors of Albanians"(Wikipedia,enciclopedia britanica).This is enoung to say serbs come after albanians and albanians deserve their indipendence.It is going to work for both serbs and albanians.Albanians will focus to their prosperity and serbs will focus to their future without Kosova.We albanians thank God and NATO for our survive in 1999.Btw some thing that the conflict has to do with religion.WRONG!!!I am Christian orthodox and along with albanian catholics, I can't wait to celebrate the independence of Kosova .It is the best solution for all.

  • 30.
  • At 04:08 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Fisnik wrote:

I just wanna say to the (serb)readers of this article how naive and manipulated they are. They know no truth, no reality. Lies and propaganda is their daily lifestyle. It's like Britons crying now that Hong Kong or India is theirs. Serbia is simply a colony of Kosova. A colony whose authoritarian power or any power over the citizens of Kosova is no more. Britain is where it is today because of the milking of the natural resourses and taxes of the people of states they colonized. Serbia was built the same way. if you compare the infrastructure Between Prishtina and Belgrade, Prishtina is way behind, simly due to the occupation. Serbia's occupation is over, they can cry all they want, Trepca will now serve to Albania.

  • 31.
  • At 04:14 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • gogo wrote:

If there is any need to show that blogging can never pose a threat to serious journalism, then this is your exmample.

Listen to this: one man tells us here the story of Kosovo. (what a reliable source. At least you could have baptized him Berisha...)

One man tells me that during the war he fled his village on a tractor with many relatives. But under attack by Serbian troops they had to run. He had to leave his aunt behind because she was disabled. He says she was burnt to death. This is the sort of thing they are all trying to forget, and which perhaps forces them to be optimistic about the future.

He says: 鈥淜osovo is rich in minerals and rich in farming land, is rich in all other aspects. Here, we provided wealth for so many years for the whole of Yugoslavia, there is no reason why we cannot provide now for just Kosovo. That鈥檚 why I鈥檓 saying Kosovo has a bright future.鈥

Has the blogger lost his sense of orientation and has he ever taken a look into a book of history, economic history? All hopes about the future of the Kosovars aside, history speaks most blatantly about this republic's economic success.

It was nil and will take decades to build to come even close to dilapitated economies such as Bulgaria or Romania.

And then the final paragraph about the entrepreneur! What a disgrace to Euorope's social achievements.

This guy openly advocates to fire his elderly staff for younger ones to curb custs, if he wouldn't be "handcuffed" (by his morals?, laughable). Had Kosovo a pension system, whatever it would look like, he would fire them without hesitation? Fire them for trained personel? Does a mine need trained personell? Go to South Africa, my dear friend. No. Fire them for untrained cheap labor, say EUR20 a month. A hefty profit. Has the blogger taken the pains to tell us how many elederly are working for him? Oh God. Just believe any lie... and publish it.

This is what awaits the Kosovar. A few filthy rich and a sea of poverty- stricken, untrained employees. Outside the EU and in a sovereign country they will be stuck in a very difficult situation.

Still, good luck!

And to the blogger. Stick to your Baedecker.

  • 32.
  • At 04:20 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Alma wrote:

It was really funny watching UNMIK and NATO distributing leaflets to the Serbs brainwashing them about Trepca being blamed for lead pollution in the area as if they did not now.... It was advised to let Trepca be taken over by UNMIK so that the pollution could be stopped and many lives saved. UN and others as usual, were very sly about the whole thing and 大象传媒 was in a "drop a dead donky mood."
Mark, please get out of the "drop a dead donky" mood, and allow the other (Serbian) bell to be heard!

  • 33.
  • At 04:39 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Sceptic wrote:

@expert Ronald Grunebaum and the like

No dear Mr Grunebaum, when it comes to ethnic cleansing it is the advanced and pure Germanic race that, to use your words, "clearly had the idea first" and can be regarded expert in this area. Something to do with purity of soul, Catholicism etc. Lets not forget this please. As to your profound comment of Serbia being mentally backwards, I suggest you look closer to your own home before judging others.
An interesting question is how is it that after all that terrible ethnic cleansing and gazillions of dead people there are more Albanians in Kosovo today then ever in it's history? Common logic would suggest otherwise, i.e. that the population of a war torn area would have significantly decreased? Could it be that the whole Kosovo war was one big orchestrated farce in which the Albanians and the Serbs are the biggest losers, similar to what we're seeing in Iraq today? (the famous weapons of mass destruction theory). I wonder if the expert Germanic race would now anything about this? Or maybe the Americans or the Ruskies? And forget about the mines and resources, those things are of no importance here ehm? Ah well, lets just bomb those nasty Serbs again, seems to be the easiest solution...Sure hope the great democratic institution that is the 大象传媒 will publish my comment. Or is it easier not to?

  • 34.
  • At 04:45 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Max Sceptic wrote:

The above posts demonstrate that Britain should not enter into any political or economic 'union' with these quarrelsome peoples.

  • 35.
  • At 04:48 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • YD wrote:

Again,a nice read by Mr.Mardell.I find your writing fun to read and unbiased.I'm glad to see that you bring the best (or worst) out of the people on your comments board as well.
Its funny seeing the reactions from most of the Serbs.The state of denial that they are in would be funny if it wasn't tragic.Its pretty well documented who was the aggressor and who was the victim during the Balkan wars,Kosova included.Here's a 大象传媒 link where some of it was documented:

P.S. The claim of Serbs that Albanians moved in Kosova after the WW2 is even more ridiculous considering how isolated Albania was under Hoxha.No one could either go in or out.The lucky few who managed to get out left for the West so they could be out of reach of Albania's Secret Service.The facts are there,all you need to do is open your eyes.
Thanks again for the article Mr.Mardell.Looking forward to the next one.

  • 36.
  • At 04:49 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Petrit wrote:

If you want to see examples of serbian looting just go in youtube.com and search under "vukovar". That will give you an idea of what the serbian army and the paramilitary forces were capable of doing.

  • 37.
  • At 05:00 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Jernej wrote:

If serbs feel that kosovo is so bad economically why dont you allow them indipendence. it would be beneficial for you.

  • 38.
  • At 05:02 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • aldrahn wrote:

I can see rays of hope, now that Kosovo will be free from 'the glorious Serbdom', which is read in any serb comment here.

are you guys ready to tied up with your mother Russia? So, no bother for other's fate.

  • 39.
  • At 05:03 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Edgey wrote:

The article by Mark is biased and unfair. How about also presenting the Serbian side of the story? What about the ethnic cleansing of the Serbs by the Albanians? The desecration and destruction of Orthodox churches in Serbia? And bear in mind, that the ethnic cleansing and destruction of the Orthodox churches occured under NATO/UN occupation. And before some of you rush to comment on this post, please I am not a Serb or a Serb nationlist. And I don't condone what Serb paramilitaries did in Bosnia. And I have a question for all the Western supporters of Kosovo independence. Why can't the Serb enclave in Bosnia declare independence? What justifies Kososvo independence and the denial of the same right to the Serbs of Bosnia and the displaced Serbs of Eastern Croatia?

And Grunebaum, I don't think the Serbs were/are the experts on ethnic cleansing. (edited)

  • 40.
  • At 05:23 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Kelly Mortensen wrote:

Serbs "stole" Kosovo? As far as i remember, there weren't hardly any Albanians even living in Kosovo until Tito invited them in.... They moved in from Albania to get a better life.

i remember as a child visiting Southern Serbia which always had a shortage of some kind, i.e. no coffee one summer, no cooking oil the next. Friends used to get in the car and drive to Kosovo because they had everything. They were supplied well, had schools, jobs etc..

I met an Albanian young man on a Swiss Air flight who told me since the war everything is awful. His mother went to Belgrade for cancer treatment, he and his brother used to have good jobs and now they sold candy and vegetables from a small table. He said he wished it was as before.

This opression stuff is totally made up. They were living better than most Serbs in Serbia ever did.

But watch, things won't get better after independence, because then there will be nobody to blame for the poverty. Unless they evolve the drug dealing economy that we know pollutes countries like Sweden via the Kosovo connection. Mark, you should write about that! There was a great and long article in the NYTimes about that a few years ago...

  • 41.
  • At 05:55 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Alma wrote:

I agree with you Kelly. I studied in Kosovo and I could see how the Albanians lived there in the past. They had much more than any of us ever did.
The "conflict" as the British like to call it, was the only one in the history made by internet and mobile phones. The Serbs lost the propaganda war but it does not take long to see who is who in this story.

  • 42.
  • At 06:03 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Milica wrote:

About the begining of the war on Kosovo, maybe you should check Wikipedia.

Here is how the west engaged in that:After the Dayton Agreement in 1995, some Albanians organized into the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), employing guerrilla-style tactics against Serbian police forces and civilians. Violence escalated in a series of KLA attacks and Serbian reprisals into the year 1999, with increasing numbers of civilian victims. In 1998 western interest increased and the Serbian authorities were forced to sign a unilateral cease-fire and partial retreat. Under an agreement devised by Richard Holbrooke, OSCE observers moved into Kosovo to monitor the ceasefire, while Yugoslav military forces partly pulled out of Kosovo. However, the ceasefire was systematically broken shortly thereafter by KLA forces, which again provoked harsh counterattacks by the Serbs. On 16 January 1999, the bodies of 45 Albanian civilians were found in the town of Racak. The victims had been executed by Serb forces[14][15]. According to the German newspaper "Berliner Zeitung," Finnish pathologist Helena Ranta, who was assigned by the EU as the head of the team sent to investigate the Racak incident "...expressed lack of comprehension regarding the work of the UN's Hague tribunal in the case of the so-called massacre of Racak." Ranta also criticized that "...Indications of serious fighting between Serbian soldiers and Albanian fighters on the night of 15th to 16th of January, 1999, in the Racak area had been inadequately pursued."[16] The so-called Racak Massacre was instrumental in increasing the pressure on Serbia in the following conference at Rambouillet. After more than a month of negotiations Yugoslavia refused to sign the prepared agreement, primarily, it has been argued, because of a clause giving NATO forces access rights to not only Kosovo but to all of Yugoslavia (which the Yugoslav side saw as tantamount to military occupation).

And what I think about Kosovo, you are stronger - take it, but don't lie about causes and bad Serbian treatment of it. It is not the bad treatment of Albanians by Serbs the reason for changing the 5:2 Albanians:Serbs ratio after WWII into 20:1 ratio today.

  • 43.
  • At 06:04 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • NYC 555555 wrote:

Something worth noting, Serbs live on foreign soil.. They originate from Belarus, and Ukraine.. They are bluntly put -freeloaders.. So I'm not particularly sure how they have an inherit right to discuss anything period... But cudos to them for having an undeniable talent to distort history.
A question worth asking is, why does serbia care more about maintaining MITROVICA within it's borders than it does KOSOVA entirely... The answer is simple... "NATURAL RESOURCES".

  • 44.
  • At 06:15 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • ToniK wrote:

Kelly,

You just made up everything you said. You have never lived in Kosovo, nor have you ever had the chance to experience the wrath and the constant terror that Albanians experienced under the Serbian regime. We can go back 100 years and discuss the massacre that the Serbian army committed upon Albanian inhibitans in an attempt to do what you just described, eliminate Albanians so that "Tito can bring them in from Albania". This is the most illiterate comment one can make.

As for Trepca and the rest of the Kosovar economy, leave it up to us to take care of it. With the help of EU and the neighboring coutries (Serbia doesn't have to be involved) we will turn Kosovo into a properous region.

Albanians in Kosovo are thirsty for freedom. We have shown to the whole world that we are a peaceful and democratic nation and that we are ready to work with any pro-western government. Unfortunately, we can not say the same about Serbia and I am most positive that our neighbors would say the same thing - the same neighbors who have declared indepence from Serbia, including Serbia's own Montengro.

  • 45.
  • At 06:22 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • John wrote:

It is article like this one from Mark , full of distorted facts, pushing Serbia into the arms of Russia and away from West.

  • 46.
  • At 06:25 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • tomas soural wrote:

Mark Mandell should be awarded a citizenship of Kosovo and Albania for his work to create Greater Albania .

  • 47.
  • At 06:29 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Gezim Disha wrote:

Than came the light. Dardania was reborn. Kosovo nightmare- gone forever.
To comfort the Serbians for their 鈥渓oss鈥, the Russians decided to name a place in Siberia-Kosovo-and rent it to the Serbs &Co on a 500 year lease. The new place was decided to have the widest autonomy (The Russians offered total independence, but for some reason the Serbs declined.) ever known to human kind. Its provisional government was formed with the most distinguished Serb nationalists escaping Hague. The Russians invented a flying object capable of transporting in one piece the churches and monasteries from Dardania to Kosovo.(The cost of this huge operation was gladly accepted by the Albanians but on one condition; the cost of the materials these holy places were build with, to be taken of the total price. But as the materials were over valued by the Albanian side, the Russians ended up paying the Albanians instead of the other way around. That didn鈥檛 bother the Russians though; they had made quite a lot of easy money from a recent gas deal with the Serbians, so they could afford throwing some of it away. And they just didn鈥檛 want to hear about Kosovo anymore.)IT was after this operation got completed, the new place鈥檚 population started to multiply with orthodox people (and the odd Irish) coming from all over the world, mainly from Serbia, Greece, and Cyprus. To everybody鈥檚 surprise, there were even a few Albanians who volunteered to settle in the new country. And this caused havoc among the new country鈥檚 population; Some welcomed them out of curiosity, a lot more wanted to hang them or at least turn them away, arguing that if they let them in, even in such insignificant numbers, knowing their barbaric sex drive, in just a few years time, they would outnumber the civilised population of the new country and claim it to be theirs. But the provisional government, for some undeclared reason pursued the majority to let the Albanians in. Rumours have it, the Albanians were allowed in to satisfy the pathologic need of the government to discriminate (the Albanians) and shoot at them every now and then. (Who would be there to watch them?-The Russians?-You must be joking.)
And everybody lived happily ever after.
Amen.

  • 48.
  • At 06:38 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Joe, Maastricht, The Netherlands wrote:

Mark,

A shockingly bad article, where were the checks and BALANCE?.

How on earth have you deemed it fair to give only one persepctive on what was/still is a very traumatic period for all parties?.

War crimes were committed on both sides, and your article really should have been explicit in mentioning this.

To the posters on both sides of the argument, it is useless to say that the other side were worse, in fact it demeans your arugment to even allude to agreeing with any form of killing of your fellow humans.

I personally think that the EU, US and Russia share a burden of blame for much of the killing, the EU is even confunding the problem by it's recent comments on Kosovo.

Like many other regions in the world ethnic tensions do not resolve themselves by outside parties, these tensions can only be healed by the affected groups, I have no cure for the problems affecting the Balkans, neither do I have a cure for Iraq, Kenya, Somalia or Sri Lanka, but I can point to one area where dialogue did work Northern Ireland.

Who could have predicted that after 30 years of 'the troubles' that the Unionists and Loyallists could manage to come to an accord on power sharing (albeit at time somewhat fraught with tensions).

I readily agree that Northern Ireland is not neccessarily the same as Kosovo, however, the principle remains the same.....Lay down the gun and find a peaceful way to resolve centuries of animosity.

Finally, articles as biased and impartial as this one help exactly no-one, and instead allow themselves to be hijackked by emotive, bigoted and xenephobic posters.

  • 49.
  • At 06:51 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Eri-nd Chicago wrote:

Dear Mark,

As you can see for yourself, many Serbian commentators are agitated by the way that you unearth the truth and present it to the public. They sure are. We, the rest of Balkan nations that have had the "fortune" to live and cohabit with Serbs, know how agitated they are, all the time, every time. Sometimes they get even worse, but the world knows about that already, so I'm not going into any chilling details as it will make me sick and then I will lose the rest of the day.

I, as an Albanian, even though Serbs have considered us one of their enemies for centuries, after all what has been going on, can only consider them 'lost'. Yes, that's what they are: a lost nation. Not only are they lost geographically and physically, but also mentally and emotionally. I believe that all of these factors are interconnected and interdependent. The very simple fact that since Serbs came into Balkans, they have never found peace with anyone or themselves makes you believe that after all, Balkans (or even Europe) is not the right place for them to be. These "surroundings" are the wrong environment for them and that's what's probably keeping them from fully developing mentally or emotionally as a nation. Maybe this would be a good study-project for future anthropologists, behaviorists, biologists or any scientist interested in the matter. Also, the fact that even though Serbs saw a national rise only after "dealing" with the West, still even now, in contrast with other neighboring nations, they don't see themselves as Europeans. They always knew they don't belong here in all aspects, but they did an enormous job to forget this basic element of life and history, and unfortunately, most of the times that included campaigns of extermination of anything that would remind them that who they really are. And the most important, unforgettable "element" that reminded them day after day, after day, after day, every day, was the Albanian nation, the natives of the land, the people they took the land from and who unbelievably cannot seem to ever go away.

The moment they understood that, they focused exclusively on us, and "Albanian problem" became their motto of existence. This included campaigns of killings, expulsions, looting, and the most hurting, the defamation of our nation everywhere they walked or passed by all over the world. The defamation of our nation became their national hobby, their preferred pass time, their part-time job. You can see reminiscences of that even today in the speeches of Serbian leaders or even here in your blog in Serbian posters. It is something that we are used to, but only lately learned how to deal with. Unfortunately, Europeans still haven't developed the same "antibodies" for the Serbian "phenomena" and it will probably take some time for that to happen, or maybe it never will. Until then, the rest of Balkan nations will still have to sleep with one eye open, waiting for the next "episode" from their ill, "imported" neighbor.

Kosova, once an famous ancient land called Dardania, belongs to the people who have been there for millenniums, Albanians. The most beautiful thing in that is that even after all what this peaceful, ancient nation has been through, it is still open and willing to share its history, culture, and wealth with any other peaceful neighbors, who is willing to do the same and most importantly, who is willing to ask for forgiveness for anything that they have done to us willingly. Albanian nation has grown in every aspect and even though it has a strong record of peacefulness and tolerance, it will never, never, ever again tolerate anymore injustice. This is a message that anyone will get from now on, it is a message of peace and understanding, a message of deserved correctness. It is the message of the land!


P.S. I really enjoy your blog, Mr. Mardell.

  • 50.
  • At 08:10 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • fatos wrote:


to: Alex (#28)


Yeah lets look back historically and you'll find out historically you were fighting the white bears in Russia a few thousand miles away from Trepca.

Yeah by the way when you left kosovo, you stole everything even 30yearls old red buses(which we thanks you for that)

In my optinion this will be Trepca's reborn or second chance if you like. I would strongly recommened it to be under the Goverment control as this is our main asset.

Good and very realistic report as Kosovan who vistis it often i think this decsribes it pretty well.

  • 51.
  • At 08:31 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Mr Mardell you may heard of rule that inforamtion you publish shpuld be checked in the first place, wrote:

Please stop lying and tell to your uninformed citizens a bit more that a story form one man form one (Albanian) side in Kosovo conflict. I just can't stand how media up here can spread lyes and pro- Albanian propaganda. Albania is the poorest country in Europe, so you can't really expect that Albanian immigrants that moved to souther Serbian province in Kosovo to blame Serbia for their lack of basic education,not to mention higher education,for the higher natality on the entire planet for being always obsessed with an idea that Albanians are domicile Balkan ethnic group who are more superior than their Slavic and Greek neighborers and that Great Albania is their natural right. p.s. Mr Mardell you may wish to make an interview with some of remaining Serbian kids, who now live in enclaves-ghettos in Kosovo, in their own land, because they can't even play freely as the results of Albanian peaceful people, who wants all non- Albanian peoples out of "new democratic statelet of Kosovo". Some how can't see that at this time of preparations for an illegal separation and recognition of this separatist's wanna be state you would really wanted that wester citizen read about what is done to Serbs in Kosovo...

  • 52.
  • At 08:44 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Leon wrote:

Its the Serbs that caused four wars in under ten years not Albanians. How is that going to make you the victims?

  • 53.
  • At 08:55 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Alx wrote:

鈥淲e鈥檝e suffered a lot from the communist system..."

Yes, it is a real pity that Kosovo did not become part of Enver Hoxa's Albania post WWII. They would have been so much richer, not to mention the countryside would have been littered with thousands of attractive bunkers. But don't worry, subsidies from the SFRY like the 2% Kosovo tax will be replaced by subsidies from the EU who will continue to rule Kosovo colonially. Independence indeed.

If anyone wants to know what happened before Milosevic obviously started it all (sarcasm), look up the articles of the New York Times correspondent David Binder written at the beginning of the 1980s.

  • 54.
  • At 09:06 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Zika wrote:

Kosovo is now occupied by NATO forces after illegal bombing of Serbia in 1999. A huge of terrorists came with NATO and they want to make second Albanian country in Serb teritory. They have cleaned Kosovo, they have ruined Serbian monastery as well as industry develloped by Serbs. Before 1999 Albanians in Kosovo got free flats, did not pay rent, electricity, heating, telephone etc. They lived from the help from other Yugoslav republics. Somebody says that they lived bad, however no one Albanian has not left Kosovo, but a lot of Serbs did under the big pressure after 1980.

  • 55.
  • At 09:41 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • astrix wrote:

Trepca - Theft from oneself?
Kosovo is Serbia so Trepca is SErbian. Kosovo was partitioned away from Serbia by the communists for the sake of the muslim minority to create a 'thorn' in the side of the serbia. Rightfully or wrongfully the muslims born in kosovo have the right to live in Kosovo , but so do orthodox and catholics. Kosovo does not belong to albanians, they should go home, and clearly this is theft from SErbia.

  • 56.
  • At 09:42 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Married to an Albanian wrote:

Wow! It truly saddens my heart to hear about oppression that never existed. That means that my husband in a liar. That means that the scars on his body are fake-that he really wasn't beat up by Serbian police for having too much money in his pocket or that he was forced to go to school underground because autonomy was stripped from Kosovo by Milosevic. I guess those seventeen family members must not have been killed during the war either...four of them women and children, the others were men who were of fighting age- NOT in the military. And I guess his mother did not have to pay 5000 dollars worth of gold to bribe the Serbian army to not kill her 12 year old son.
Kosovo should get its independence. Serbia lost all claim to it when they decided to kill innocent women and children. And to the idiot who said that ONLY 6000 people died...it was only stopped because NATO had the courage to make it stop. Civilians targeted is against the law. A large % of those who died were innocent civilians living in villages and towns. There only crime was being Albanian. Another Bosnia was in the making...200,000 people died there on estimate. Thank God it was stopped in Kosovo.
The people of Kosovo were left with bombed out cities and no industry. The United Nations would not let them develop as they wanted. I know those people to be some of the hardest working people on earth. Even with nothing, there are a humble people who will eek out the best existence they can.
Are all Serbian people bad? Of course not. They have just been given a lot of propaganda, so of course they can believe that oppressions and suffering and ethnic cleansing never happened. That is what Milosevic and his machine wanted them to believe.
I have been to Kosovo, and witnessed for my own eyes the destruction and havoc those years had on these people. At the very least, they deserve independence. Take the opinion of an American for what you will.

  • 57.
  • At 09:44 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Bob wrote:

I find the use of terminology racist. It should never be 'Serbs' but 'Some Serbs'. The kinds of generalisations that I read in this blog are indicative of the kind of bigotry that caused the wars.

The break up of Yugoslavia is blamed on Serbs - but why not blame it on all of Yugoslavia - or Slovenia - or Croatia - or the Kosovan Albanians - or the Islamic Bosnians?

Decent Serbs suffered in the wars too. They have had their country (Yugoslavia) broken up by selfish groups (including some other Serbs) who wanted their bits of land for themselves.

My knowledge of Kosovo comes from people who happen to be ethnically Serbian, but who still feel hurt by the way they were pressured to leave Kosovo - long before Milosovic's time - by a concerted ethnic cleansing plot. The term 'ethnic cleansing' apparently originated to describe the intentions of the Kosovo Albanian Communist party. When you ask who started it - the answer is 'Some Albanians'.

  • 58.
  • At 09:48 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • astrix wrote:

Trepca - Theft from oneself?
Kosovo is Serbia so Trepca is SErbian. Kosovo was partitioned away from Serbia by the communists for the sake of the muslim minority to create a 'thorn' in the side of the serbia. Rightfully or wrongfully the muslims born in kosovo have the right to live in Kosovo , but so do orthodox and catholics. Kosovo does not belong to albanians, they should go home, and clearly this is theft from SErbia.

  • 59.
  • At 09:53 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • William wrote:

Great Article from someone who has seen the situation with his own eyes. You people, member, Serbia has lost control of Kosovo in 1999 for reasons that people know very weel. I think Kosovo problem needs to be resolved as soon as possible, as you can't keep people on a limbo status.

The fact is that, the majority of Kosovo population (90%) want independece. Lets be democratic and let them decide their own faith. If they want Independence, they deserve it.

I would also like to add that the new Kosovo is not about Serbs or Albanians. The newly elected government is defining it's on identity, flag, values and wants to create a muli-cultural society that will respect the rights of all people living Kosovo. I also agree with some of these comments, people in Kosova now can go to school, get free education and decide about their own faith. Good things take time.

  • 60.
  • At 10:53 PM on 29 Jan 2008,
  • Oliver Twist wrote:

Firstfully if you had a close look at updated version of atlas Kosovo and Metohija is part of Serbia. :)

  • 61.
  • At 12:00 AM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • Eagle wrote:

Oh, it is precious when the likes of foreign opinionists like Ronald label Serbs "mentally backward". Interesting in a thread that contains Albanian postings comprised of words/names of clearly Serbian linguistic origins modified to suit a new "Kosovar" sensibility. Any half-educated person can recognize the "mentally backward" attempts at Albanianizing Kosovo to be Kosova or remaking Trepca into Trepqa. Or, just look at an Albanian map of the entire province. One wonders how these historically Albanian lands acquired names, even in the Albanian vernacular, on their very own maps, with Serbian linguistic origins. Hmmm...must be global Serbian control of all map printing presses or some evil mind control plots on the part of those dastardly Serbs. I am sure that with enough archaeological enquiry the true names of all these Albanian places will be found (just like the tens and hundreds of thousands of Albanian bodies still missing) and liberate all the peoples of Kosova-Metihoqa from their "mentally backward" state of existence. Let's just hope it is sooner rather than later so that we know what to call the remaining monasteries that are slated to be dynamited by the locals.

  • 62.
  • At 12:24 AM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • Milos Milosev wrote:

To #11: Mr. Grunenbaum, it would perhaps be useful to remind the readers of this blog that it was actually the Germans who "first had the idea of ethnical cleansing". But I believe they already know this, much as you would like them to forget.
I would like to add an interesting point, although not strictly related to this thread. As the views on Kosovo seem to be based for the most part on prejudice, could everyone please give some consideration to at least one little thing. Go through all the comments above and just pay attention to the respective quality of written English as used by Serbs and Albanians. Notice anything? While there are errors in most of them, I feel that the Serbs posting here tend to have a little more knowledge of proper English. And of proper civilisation. The other side's use of pidgin English is indicative of its fundamental misunderstanding of modern (and also ancient, for that matter) Europe and the entire world.

Also, if Kosovo is Albanian, how come the toponym of the place is of Serbian origin (Kosovo polje - blackbird's field)? Has anyone thought of that?

  • 63.
  • At 01:37 AM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • chelsea wrote:

sorry you serbs but not too long we will selebration independent off kosovo

  • 64.
  • At 02:58 AM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • Milica wrote:

Leo, go to school and learn something before you start spreading lies and Western propaganda. The time will come to check all those stories we have read daily in Western newspapers to justify bombing of Serbia. I still remember stories about concentration camps where Serbs were bleeding Albanians to death as they needed blood (they live in proximity to Romania so possibly count Dracula was of Serbian origin). There are thousands of those stories invented daily, time will come for those who order them to pay back.

And after all of this we hear from you Serb haters, why we should give our land - Kosovo is and always is going to be Serbia!

  • 65.
  • At 04:17 AM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • Ardian wrote:

Well kudos to all you serbs here,if the world didn't know you they would think you are the bigges victims in the universe,how come after all that mess that you made in ex-yugoslavia you still have the audacity to come in here and blame others for your mess-ups?I can see that milosevic is dead but his RTS(radio televizija serbije)propaganda is still brainwashing you?kosovo was never yours and it will never be,carpathian mountains are yours don't forget that.And i am pretty sure Kosovo will get in much better shape after it gets it's deserved independence.Sorry and bye

  • 66.
  • At 04:17 AM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • Boki wrote:

Interesting views here. I can see that Albanians feel quite strongly about Kosovo and it's amazing to read the things about Dardania, Albanians being in Kosovo since who knows when, etc. What I want to ask you my friends is why don't Albanians have an Albanian name for Kosovo. Kosovo is a pure Serbian word which means "the field of black birds". This area has been known as Kosovo since 12th-13th century at least. If Albanians were there since ancient times why don't they call Kosovo by some other name, some Albanian name? Why do they call Trepca Trepca? Again why don't they have an Albanian name for it? There is not one single proof, written or physical that 1) Albanians lived there before the Serbs 2) Albanians have anything to do with Ilyrian tribes.

Basic point is, no matter what happens, Serbs and Albanians will always be in the Balkans. Geopolitical situation in the world is such that Kosovo will get the independence soon as it is being supported by the world's biggest superpower USA. USA doesn't care at all about the Albanians. They see Kosovo as a practical military base for the oil coridor from Middle East and various strategic military interests.
Once USA's power decreases and when they withdraw from the Balkans there will be a war within few months. It's that simple.
Unfortunately, the innocent will suffer again, regardless whether they are Serbian or Albanian.

  • 67.
  • At 05:45 AM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • Mirek Kondracki wrote:

"Aliens did. Aliens did exterminate Vukovar and [did] mass killings in Sebrenica. Aliens did rape catholic nuns in Croatia and used to bomb Sarajevo market on daily basis. [#29]


You're right. It was also aliens who shelled a "zero' class UNESCO treasure called Dubrovnik, and destroyed a marvel of Ottoman architecture - a famous bridge in Mostar.

Except those were not little green people from UFOs, but ILLEGAL aliens, i.e., people who had no business being there in the first place.

  • 68.
  • At 06:12 AM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • Pavle wrote:

To Mr. Mardell,

I wish you would regard some of these comments as a mirror, perhaps a calibration, of your bias in writing. God knows that this region has only had enough bias. I only recently started following your blog, but am already overwhelmed by the extremely polarized nature of the comments you receive. Does it not strike you as, at the very least, unusual that your writing about this extremely contentious issue without exception garners only the positive comments from your Albanian readers, and ONLY the negative comments from the Serbs? The Serbs and the Albanians do not need more propagation of the old propaganda or hearsay, which is all too often found in your writing. We could all use some reality checks, however. Please try harder to strike that balance.

  • 69.
  • At 07:00 AM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • Mihajlo wrote:

Mark, you're one-sided, you don't care to admit that there's anything wrong in one's land being taken over.
Just because Kosovo has slowly been populated by poor and helpless victims shouldn't persuade you to think that it's somehow their land.
I'd hate to think if something like this ever happened in your country of origin, would you be as easy going?
I think it's about time people opened their eyes a bit, i think it's about time people stopped sympothising a nation and a people who in fact believe in a 'Greater-Albania'.

  • 70.
  • At 08:13 AM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • Steve Davis wrote:

It seems that this article has helped to open wounds which were beyond the surgeons knife in the first place.
A major problem in the region is that no one will forget the past, and nor should we, but our past, is part of our future and until we can learn from it there will never be a future!

  • 71.
  • At 09:51 AM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • Philip Davies wrote:

"Its the Serbs that caused four wars in under ten years not Albanians. How is that going to make you the victims?"

They are amongst the victims because statements like this are patently false.

1991 Slovenia and Croatia unilaterally seceded without attempting to negotiate all the issues, both causes wars with the JNA and in Croatia the Serb population.

1992 Bosnian Muslim did the same after rejecting a post independence plan agreed in Lisbon

1997/8 KLA attacks Yugoslav and Serbian army and police and also civilians both Serb and Albanian who don't agree with them. NATO Colludes with KLA to escalate situation into full scale war.

2001 Similar organisation in Macedonia to KLA attacks state organisations causing another war. Macedonia forced by NATO to make major consitutional concessions.

  • 72.
  • At 10:26 AM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • Denis O'Leary wrote:

A character in the famous book Ulysses by James Joyce remarks that "history is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake".

The European Union is the future for all concerned and for the nightmare to end.

Joyce lived in Trieste in the period 1904-1915 and again in 1919-20.

  • 73.
  • At 10:30 AM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • Jason, London wrote:

It seems that some people here are completely dillusional. Kosovo legally remains a part of Serbia, so it is only natural that Serbs "occupy" their own land.

  • 74.
  • At 10:37 AM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • Aleksandar Lekovic wrote:

I'm surprised with the lack of history knowledge present in this article and in all posts!

Serbia didn't take Trepca neither from Albanians neither from Albania.

Ladies and Gentlemen Kosovo was the hart of Serbia in XIII, XIV ... century, with the capitol over there ... Recent history with communists (from the end of the WW2 till the end of the XX century) and the presence of the World Police Officer of the New World Order just made all this situation as it is.

If you want to complain, argue or just to discuss about that issue, please read first an Encyclopaedia (Britannica for example)

  • 75.
  • At 12:27 PM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • Dubya, Netherlands wrote:

Serbs! Acoording to the latest census (2002) around 20% of your population is Albanian (this includes Kosovo). If Kosovo stays a part of Serbia nearly half of your population will be Albanian in 2050. So it would be wise to consider the possibility of an independent Kosovo or a loose confederation if you wish to stay the majority in your own country!

  • 76.
  • At 02:23 PM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • Nick Brajkovich wrote:

More 大象传媒 (state-run media) anti Serb propaganda

I suppose you have been lying so long it simply isn't possible for you to tell the truth or to be objective, it would undermine your credibility with all those licence paying people who believe what you tell them

I can only assume the 大象传媒 is getting some money from the Albanian mafia, or else are being blackmailed by them

Shame on you, still demonising the poor Serbs after all these years !

  • 77.
  • At 02:31 PM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • Alan Simpson wrote:

I have visited Kosovo a couple of times over the past two years. I stayed in Kosovo Polje. Kosovo may have severe problems but I felt safer there than I do in parts of London. Russia will never let Kosovo become independant as it will force an outcome to many border issues that blight the former USSR.

  • 78.
  • At 03:15 PM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • George C. Thomas wrote:

Mark Mardell, when you discuss Kosovo you should always remind your readers that Kosovo is the religious and cultural heart of Serbia since the 12th century. It is the "Jerusalem" and "Mecca" of the Serbs. The hundreds Serbian churches, monasteries and holy sites remain testimony on the ground to this fact.

A demographic transformation took place in Kosovo because of higher Albanian birthrates, the flight of Serbs from Kosovo, and the illegal immigration of Albanians from Albania. Now we cannot move the churches, monasteries and holy sites in Kosovo to Serbia, but Albanians are capable of moving to Albania if they dont want to live in Serbia. We dont need two independent Albanian states in this world for 5 million Albanians.

  • 79.
  • At 04:14 PM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • Linda wrote:

serbs are the victims thats what they always say they forget the 3 wars that they have caused and killed so many innocent civilians
we can write all day this and that but at the end we all now what happened ever since Tito died.....
Kosovo will be independent just like Macedonia, Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia maybe it will be no more wars caused by the serbs, unless they start a serbian civil war its possible because they always put the blame on someone else.

  • 80.
  • At 04:43 PM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • Danilo wrote:

Here, we provided wealth for so many years for the whole of Yugoslavia, there is no reason why we cannot provide now for just Kosovo


Hillarious.


Wasn't it one of the stated reasons of Croatia and Slovenia for their desire to split was that too much money was being poured into Kosovo, the most impoverished province in the region?

  • 81.
  • At 04:52 PM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • George C. Thomas wrote:

Mark Mardell, when you discuss Kosovo you should always remind your readers that Kosovo is the "Jerusalem" and "Mecca" of the Serbs. The hundreds Serbian churches, monasteries and holy sites remain testimony on the ground to this fact.

A demographic transformation took place in Kosovo because of higher Albanian birthrates, the flight of Serbs from Kosovo, and the illegal immigration of Albanians from Albania.

Now we cannot move the churches, monasteries and holy sites in Kosovo to Serbia, but Albanians are capable of moving to Albania if they dont want to live in Serbia. We dont need two independent Albanian states in this world for 3 million Albanians.

  • 82.
  • At 06:04 PM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • Blerimi wrote:

Kelly Mortensen! Tito invited Albanians from Albania to inhabit Kosovo!?! You actually said it, in public! Sorry, I cannot see you so I have to ask you: Are you blushing with embarrasment for what you said? If not, you should!

I laugh in your general direction!

In fact, I laugh at everybody who believes that Kosovo is an immigration problem.

Yugoslavia did all it could to get rid of the Albanians. In the 1950s and 1960s hundreds of thousands left (due to persecution) for Turkey from Kosovo and Macedonia after the agreement between the two govermnents. This is supported by the data one can find in the Macedonian Statistics Office in Skopje. Probably elsewhere in former Yugo.

  • 83.
  • At 06:57 PM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • Maja wrote:

Dear Mr. Mardell,

I am saddened by the lack of education that you have regarding Kosovo and Serbians. If you are going to go and visit a country and especially write a blog about it, have the decency to at least educate yourself on the history of the Serbs in Kosovo and their current situation. It's easy to write blogs but to support them takes too much effort. No wonder you're still a nobody!

  • 84.
  • At 07:04 PM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • Mark Pushka wrote:

It truly is amazing & funny at the same time how na茂ve or downright ignorant some Serbian posters here can be at times. They are truly living in denial and it appears that their biggest fears are seeing Kosove actually flourish and become a viable nation in the Balkans. Something that Serbia itself will not be able to do anytime soon so it鈥檚 merely a case of 鈥渟our grapes.鈥
Here鈥檚 some sound advice from an Albanian living in the US (no thanks to the bloodthirsty gov鈥檛 in Belgrade): Take what you can get and move on because the world knows you for what you are and that image will stick with you for a longtime to come.

Bottom line: You鈥檝e lost鈥gain!

  • 85.
  • At 07:05 PM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • ella wrote:


"the serb always stole minerals from Kosovo land during their occupation and it's very much known that Belgrade, and many other serbia towns, were build from this theft in Kosovo, but this will not happen again, ever, and minerals, especialy those from Trepca mine, now will be used to build Kosovo and Serbia can't do anything about it, and after Trepca begin work,and will begin soon after we declare indpendence, Kosovo will very soon would be an economic strong state, maby the strongest in Balkan."(lulzim)

" as soon as WE declare independence"...the Albanians i assume.. By saying this you just confirmed that Kosovo was always Serbia's and it belonged to their people, so how is using the minerals from mines called stealing if it belongs to the same country? Kosovo land is Serbian land, and it has been lake that always..By saying that you are waiting for an independence means that you are basically waiting for it so the mine can be taken away from Serbia and not just the mine but the whole land of Kosovo..
Serbians were ethnicly cleansed from Kosovo because if Serbians were the ones "burning people to death" would't it seem logical for them to kick Albanian nationality out of Kosovo...But yet so many Albanians keep coming over to Kosovo-illegaly- and all the Serbian minorities are placed in refugee camps starving to death... would u really think that they would leave the land they have leaved on for hundred of years voluntarily to go live in camps..yet they are still called the murderers..

  • 86.
  • At 07:21 PM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • B Blairsdale wrote:

Leon, most initial acts of violence were not started by the Serbs, history on the break up of Yugoslavia is very truncated when comments are made about it in the present.

The truth is, nobody cares of the interfering that caused the break up of Yugoslavia, the treaties that all sides signed and then some withdrew due to US, German and UK pressure such as the Lisbon treaty which the Bosnians withdrew under promises of total backing and resulted in more violence. Also that the end of the 'Yugoslavian' bombing, (was not just Kosovo) the end was result was similar to what the Serbs signed prior.

The blind views held by many in UK and US is similar to the narrow view many enemies of the west have of us and shows that many people anywhere in the World are just as gullible in their beliefs.

You will also find many outside of the UK and US have very different views and knowledge. For example does no one find the lack of coverage Milosevic trial perplexing? What a tool of coverage that was...or should have been except much testimony by many ex UN commanders and diplomats show the exact opposite of what most here believe.

Nothing was simple as you will like, if that鈥檚 how you want it however, I suggest play lego. The lego pieces of white and red etc. are simple enough.

  • 87.
  • At 07:27 PM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • natasha wrote:

kosovo is run by nato and since they took over its been downhill from there the population is mostly albanian because all the serbs were forced out and giving indipendence to a state that is part of a country is wrong.The only reason that they want to make kosovo indipendent is because of it potential to make other countrys profit. It is a selfish act and if it does happen nothing good will come out of it.

  • 88.
  • At 08:52 PM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • SlovakLiberal wrote:

This has to be one of the most biased articles I have read in a long time. You could have just called it "Propaganda"

Just waisted 2 minutes of my life. Oh, and by the way, I'm not Serbian or Albanian.

  • 89.
  • At 09:43 PM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • piperka wrote:

well, there is also one more thing missing. nobody has mentioned the child benefits, free health care and free education that the minorities in former Yugoslavia were enjoying during what western world calls "communist regime". Yugoslavia as socialist country gave way more privileges to all minorities and ethnic groups then any other UN nation. but none of this is actually what is all about. we all know what is all about. this is greedy western european politics to exploit all available natural resources. very well played scenario.
BRAVO!

  • 90.
  • At 10:05 PM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • AGIM wrote:

According to recent studies done by some German (if I am not mistaken) scientists/geologists, Kosovo, and especially the Mitrovica/Trepca region apperas to be a lot richer than previously thought of. Anyway, this is only a response to Mark (a reader) who says that Trepca is close to worthless.

Second, people, the whole world knows what Serbs did in Kosovo. Hello! No point to argue about it.

Sure we will face many challenges after the independence, but that's fine, we will finally be FREE! Kosovo's gone through a lot of suffering for many years, but it will all be worth it once Kosovo declares independence. We will be FREE! No more Serbian drunken police in our streets... no more Serbian cruel regime. We will be FREE!

Happy the Year of Independence Kosovo! See you in February!

  • 91.
  • At 10:27 PM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • Bram wrote:

I am also not a Serb or a Serb nationalist, but why is it everyone is saying that this area was taken by Serbia? Is Kosovo not the cradle of Serbian identity? Kosovo was stolen from Serbia under the Ottomans at which point they moved the Albanians in, long before the Serbs "stole" it back.

  • 92.
  • At 10:34 PM on 30 Jan 2008,
  • neighbor wrote:

The NATO occupation was a miserable failure, and the independence thing is an attempt to correct it by way of an even greater flop. 大象传媒 will never face up to the obvious fact that these nice Albanians simply can't make a living for themselves within the boundaries of law and civilization. They've been on subsidies for decades and will do everything possible to keep the gravy coming in. They don't want independence, they want bigger welfare dependence, because the EU is richer than Belgrade.

  • 93.
  • At 01:35 AM on 31 Jan 2008,
  • Victor D.Jorge wrote:

Over 20 years ago I married a Serb lady born in Kosovo. I learned a lot from my ex-wife & her family about Kosovo and the ethnic problems of the region dating back to the mid 1960's when her family decided to leave rather than risk having the young girls be subject to the criminal act committed against them. Her family had no choice but to move. IN effect they became refugees. This is just but one example of forced exodus of the Serbs from Kosovo that has been going on for the past 40 years. Politicians of the world failed to look at the root cause of the problem, they simply believed the propaganda of the day. True, the Serb leaders, with Milosevic at the helm, used too much force. But the world leaders ignorance of the barbaric causes have now created a situation that will be a problem for the world for the next century. The big question is why did the West take up the cause of the Kosovo Albanians, and ignored the plight of millions of suffering African鈥檚. I wonder if it the great Canadian General had been American & there was an American owned gold mine, would his pleas for international aid to stop the genocide in Africa been answered. American national interest would have been protected! The real point here is that America and the West are playing politics in order to appear that they are not biased against the Muslims of the world, since they need to justify themselves for their actions in the middle east. It is obvious that there are no other wealth鈥檚 that the American鈥檚 can exploit from this region.

  • 94.
  • At 05:08 AM on 31 Jan 2008,
  • Johnathan wrote:

I am American, and I can say that I am very proud of my country and the west for what they did for Kosovo. Kosovo and the Kosovan people deserve independence.

  • 95.
  • At 02:09 PM on 31 Jan 2008,
  • Jon Harrison wrote:

I spent 6 years in Croatia and 18 months in Kosovo as a volunteer training young men to fight for their freedom against the Serbs.

Kosovo, deserves its freedom,the term ethnic cleansing only caem about due to Serbs Genocide for those wanting their freedom!
DO serbs not remember the refridgerated wagon found full of civillians in a police base just outside Belgrade, women and children MURDERED!! How little the guilty remember!!!!

Kosovo fought for its true and rightful freedom! Nato only came in when the mass deportation of Kosovans became too much for the surrounding countries to handle. It was not a victory for the KLA and Kosovo, but a victory for humanity!

Serbia has an uncertain future, and I pray that it finds its peace, but the peace which all Serbs must come to realise will be without Kosovo.
!

The Kosovan people have been through enough! Families torn apart by hateful murders, and a war that should never should have happened.

I will stand next to any Kosovan in friendship and battle for them to gain there freedom of their country!

  • 96.
  • At 03:35 PM on 31 Jan 2008,
  • Alma wrote:

Mark, I hope you will be able understand this problem when Bradford claims its independance from England.

  • 97.
  • At 04:46 PM on 31 Jan 2008,
  • Vlora wrote:

All the media attention in Kosovo is focused on the privileged Serbian minority. What about the Roma, Askali and Turks? These people are also minorities and the sad thing is that they don鈥檛 receive the attention they deserve.
Why nobody asks how Kosovo treats other minorities than Serbs?
Why nobody asks whether other minorities than Serbs want Kosovo to become independent?
I wonder why?
Unfortunately, a bad example when talking about minorities rights is the European country Greece. This does not mean that Kosovo have to follow the same steps, of course not. I am asking why Europe tolerates this in the meantime that asks from Kosovo to fulfill this standard and that.

I don鈥檛 understand the emotional attachment that serbs have toward Kosovo. The only way I understand it is through the brainwashing ideologies that the Serb population has been subjected to. This is a fact demonstrated by the Serbian national celebration on the 28th of June. They celebrate their own defeat against Ottoman Empire in 1389.
If we look at the history, Serbs come from the south or Russia in the VII century to then called Illyrian Balkan. This is the reason for the name "Yugo-slav".

In response to Jasmina, of course Albanian brave women had to make a lot of babies if their children were being murdered every day. Read the history of the strategies of colonization and slavization of Kosovo between the years 1918 and 1945 and then we talk. Read about the Vasa Cubrilovic expulsion plans (1937) of Albanians from Kosovo toward Turkey by then so called Serbian, Croatian and Slovenian Kingdom. But please, don鈥檛 talk from your heart; leave the emotions on one side. I want facts.

The Serbs were never forced to leave; those who left had blood on their hands. I know Serbian people living today in Kosovo. They represent the will for the integration between both communities, Albanian and Serbian. All the minorities have seats in the Kosovo parliament.

People in Kosovo want nothing more than the right to express their ideas without being killed, the right to decide about their selves, the right to receive education in their own language, the right to develop and become and independent country.

  • 98.
  • At 05:14 PM on 31 Jan 2008,
  • Vanja wrote:

I am a proud Serb, and I can not believe how Albanians from Kosovo have lost every touch with reality. And so has Mark Mardel.

Kosovo is Serbia, that is a fact. Everything else is a huge nonsense.

  • 99.
  • At 07:07 PM on 31 Jan 2008,
  • Pavel Spisack wrote:

First of all, a must read => Er-id comment #49. You can create a very clear idea what's going on over there in Kosovo.

Serbia's position towards Kosovo has been and still is typically a colonialist one. Kosovo, even though a very rich land, was the poorest region in Yugoslavia. Everything was sucked and pumped from Kosovo in order to build ugly Yugos (cars), useless tanks, and dark, grim streets of Belgrade and other cities in ex-Yugoslavia.
Kosovan people have miraculously survived maybe the harshest, systematic campaign of state-led extermination, probably even greater than the Holocaust if you count centuries and numbers of people killed or 'ethnically cleansed'. Kosovan people not only deserve their freedom but they must get the Official Apology from Serbia and some other neighbors in the region for the inhumane treatment and sufferances they went through for centuries. Time will surely tell and history will point the finger of justice to all of us. No one can escape the verdict of time.

For those who don't know much about Serbian nation, I would suggest you do some research and you will find out how they were called from historians or writers or state leaders during the centuries and why. Serbians know themselves and what they have done. Europe must not forget the truth for the sake of 'political correctness'. That will only bring more pain and sufferance to others and most importantly, it will never allow Serbs themselves to change their behaviors and attitudes.

  • 100.
  • At 07:31 PM on 31 Jan 2008,
  • Edwinovich wrote:

The article is poorly researched and unbalanced...but what news article ever is....journalists are as lazy as everyone else. BUT, at the same time, Trepca will be a burden on whoever gets it. Kosovo will be a burden on whoever gets it. Serbs! let the Albanians have it and wait nine months to hear the cries of how the UN/EU left them in a mess and how they lack investment. (A little secret...to gain investment you have to have something worth investing in). Serbs! You cannot complain that Kosovo was taken off you and at the same time point out how much the region always cost you. Its illogical to try to hold onto something soooo useless!

  • 101.
  • At 10:56 AM on 01 Feb 2008,
  • Vlora wrote:

Future prediction not hard to predict but anyone that knows about the conflict in Kosovo: in the day Kosovo declares independence the Serbs will massively leave their homes just to appear in front of the international community as victims being persecuted by Albanians. I am glad that the entire world already knows their intentions and manipulations.
I am sorry for these poor people that are being manipulated by the Belgrade regime. If you want to live in Kosovo you have to accept the fact of being there. It鈥檚 not to be integrated if your bodies are in Kosovo but your soul in Serbia. Its time to wake up from the terrible nightmare you are living in and forget the wishes of conquest.

  • 102.
  • At 04:48 PM on 01 Feb 2008,
  • Amir wrote:

Hi everyone,

I have tried to read as much of the comments, availble here, as possible.

I would like to say, Kosovo Indepedent, is what is hapening now. Kosovo ought to be indepedent, and it shall declare its indepedentce, in fact - it is already indepedent from Serbia since 1999.

Serbs are ashamed of crimes they commited in Kosovo, please admit it. There are serbian people that are nice, and are cleaver, but the weak point all of them have - they do not have feelings.

Face the reality, Kosovo Indepedent, congratulations to all the Kosovars.

Regards,
Amir

  • 103.
  • At 05:36 PM on 01 Feb 2008,
  • Vlora wrote:

Future prediction not hard to predict but anyone that knows about the conflict in Kosovo: in the day Kosovo declares independence the Serbs will massively leave their homes just to appear in front of the international community as victims being persecuted by Albanians. I am glad that the entire world already knows their intentions and manipulations.
I am sorry for these poor people that are being manipulated by the Belgrade regime. If you want to live in Kosovo you have to accept the fact of being there. It鈥檚 not to be integrated if your bodies are in Kosovo but your soul in Serbia. Its time to wake up from the terrible nightmare you are living in and forget the wishes of conquest.

  • 104.
  • At 02:21 AM on 03 Feb 2008,
  • Vangel wrote:

I'm very sad and angry that I have such neighbors from north. Serbs and Kosovars are the biggest trouble makers on the Balcans...And while people in Africa have real problems, you are wasting your time with some Kosovars and Serbs.
By the way, when will you royal family leave the world alone. I hate your qween.

  • 105.
  • At 02:26 PM on 04 Feb 2008,
  • fadil wrote:

Comment (95) made by Mr Jon Harrison shows the inside as to what really happened in Kosovo. The reason I decided to write this is because I have been there, I have seen it, I fought for the freedom of my people.
You Serbs still live in a dream. I would suggest you wake up soon as it can turn in to a nightmare.

  • 106.
  • At 07:43 AM on 05 Feb 2008,
  • Fatmir CARRABREGU wrote:

KOSOVAS ECONOMY WILL BE ONE OF THE STRONGEST IN EU.ALL FOREIGN INVESTORS ARE WELCOME AND SAFE TO COME AND INVEST THERE(but russians)THEIR INVESTMENTS WILL BE GARANTEED BY NATO ARMIES.
WE HAVE THE YOUNGEST WORKING FORCE IN EUROPE READY TO GET STARTED.
WE HAVE COAL,GOLD AND WE MIGHT HAVE OIL AS WELL SO DONT BE SURPRISED WHEN THEY START DRILLING.
WE WILL HOST THE US MISILE SHILD IF WE ARE ASKED TO,IT WILL BE OUR HONOR TO HAVE AMERICA AND EUROPE IN OUR COUNTRY.
SO CONGRATS AND HAPPY INDEPENDENT KOSOVA!

  • 107.
  • At 03:04 PM on 11 Feb 2008,
  • Canadian in China wrote:

Albanians => back to Albania. The real one, in the Caucasus, next to Chechnia.

Kosovo => back to its rightful owner Serbia.

  • 108.
  • At 05:29 PM on 11 Feb 2008,
  • cufi wrote:

As for the past...the best people to ask are...Kosovo Albanians. They have been suffering since the death of Tito. No investments in any Schools, Univerisity, Mines or anything since pretty much 1981....So why are you saying Kosovo is poor. I had the chance to meet a British MIning Explorer Expert in my Flight back to Canada from Pristina. He has been working in Kosovo for the past 2 years, exploring the wealth of Kosovo. He said,"Kosovo has the second largest deposit of Coal in the world and is one of the top Wealthies Countries in Europe ..we are talking about the Minerals >.Natural sources......HE also mentioned ..EU will have a big interest in Kosovo..since in the future after independence they will build the Power Station that will export electricity to Most of EU countries...and the investments after the Independence will be very high...since most countries know about the wealth of the country.

He also had a list of 500 companies waiting to invest in Mining industry..

So what I am saying is dont look Kosovo today because there hasn't been any investment since 1981 but just theft from Serbian regim of Milosevic. My uncle used to work in the Mine of Trepca...all the Train wagons...were sent to Serbia via Mitrovica Railway. We have all the profs Docomunts, Pictures, and Signatures.

  • 109.
  • At 08:29 AM on 14 Feb 2008,
  • aerofrancoa wrote:

Mark, no doubt, the proclamation of Kosovo independence is a question of hours. I can understand the natural feelings of joy and relief of all those Kosovars who have been oppressed and discriminated by the Yugoslav authorities and I try to convince myself that all this is for good... for the welfare of Kosovo and of Europe...
However, I apprehend that the said independence may turn soon into another dreadful experience in the neighbor Balkan countries where ethnic Albanians may try to cause political unrest hoping that once again, an overseas power (US) will bring them help and support...
If it is not well controlled by the EU, the Kosovo question may become just another reason for disintegration of some European countries with all disastrous consequences... for the unity of European nations. Who is the looser?

  • 110.
  • At 10:00 PM on 14 Feb 2008,
  • Bob wrote:

I have read the article but I haven't been prompted to write anything by the information contained therein. It is the lengthy discussion that followed that prompted me to write this.

I think that it is a good thing for Serbia to let Kosovo go. It is lost and there is not way to get it back for the time being.

Instead, Serbs should use the opportunity to move in and acquire property (including resources) in the sale of everyhing in Kosovo that may follow shortly after the independence. If Kosovo is so important to Serbs, buying it back is the only option. Naturaly such purchases and investments should be done via private dummy corporations based outside Serbia.

Controll over the private property, be it the land, factories, buildings, offices ... is the true power that does not fade with time. It is the economic power and will provide a huge leaway in any future political struggles, if any.

One thing though, Serbs must be clear about what bears more weight, profit or history.

  • 111.
  • At 02:31 PM on 15 Feb 2008,
  • Spud wrote:

I think this blog article is pretty poor. I accept Mark Mardell can only interview the people in front of him, but he has given (intentionally?) a very one-sided picture.
As in most wars, both sides have comitted atrocities. Neither the Serbs nor the Kosovars should be particularly proud of their conduct.
As a UK resident I am most concerned that we are considering recognising Kosovo in the event of a declaration of independence. I understand that Kosovans will not like this. My reason is that I think it sets a precedent which could encourage other areas (e.g. Serb enclaves in Kosovo) to declare their [i]own[/i] independence. If a chunk of Ukraine decided its future lay with Russia, would we be forced to recognise their "independence", even in the event of 30% of the population of that region wanting to remain Ukrainian?
Independence for Kosovo will set a dangerous precedent.

  • 112.
  • At 02:50 PM on 15 Feb 2008,
  • Maria Amadei Ashot wrote:

Today the 大象传媒 finally reported on what I have been waiting to hear: there are significant mineral deposits of Kosovo that are of interest to parties outside Serbia. The true motive of an "independent Kosovo" is thus in in view for all the world to see. When Serbia is given what amounts to an ultimatum -- "join the EU or lose Kosovo" -- the real message is "we are annexing your lands." That's all this is: a good, old-fashioned, Yankee-style land grab, with the Serbs in the role once occupied by the nations falsely labeled "American Indians," and the Albanians who live in Kosovo because they left their own country, Albania, in the role of the desperate, half-starved immigrant enablers whose "needs" justify the crime. How much this "new Europe" resembles the "old Europe" that perhaps never quite sorted out exactly what it managed so badly by going around seizing other people's property! Who will benefit from this travesty? Well, some corporate interests, to be sure; the egos of a few obstinate 'sages' of the kind Mr Sarkozy suggests should fix the problems of the world, that they helped create; a thin sliver of the "Albanian elite" that has provided the convenient rationale for blithely sweeping away international law (and, while we're at it, making the biggest dent in the principle of private property since the Chinese Revolution). The average inhabitant of Kosovo is about to enter a period of great uncertainty & distress, all in the name of those profits someone hopes to harvest down the line... As for Europeans (and that includes all of you): well, you will get to deal with having to absorb a couple of more million immigrants from the Balkans (for as surely as the EU provides a fast-track to relocation for the unhappy people of Kosovo, obtaining a Kosovo passport will become a highly profitable business. and all kinds of people will suddenly discover they are from this tiny enclave where no one even bothered to hold a head count in the decade of 'sound management'). Oh, and you will have made more enemies. Not that you can ever have too many of those, right?

  • 113.
  • At 06:35 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Anonymous wrote:

Kosovo is Serbia, and tommorro is going to be 3 war in our history, with the help of our brother Putin

  • 114.
  • At 06:25 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Alec wrote:

There could be a war. Contrary to what others said earlier, two articles in earlier issues of American Metals News and the Wall Street Journal mention that Kosovo as a whole (not just the mine at Trepca) is sitting on top of vast untapped reserves of Zinc ... considered a "strategic" metal by both the US and Russian military. It is no wonder that Russia (friendly with Serbia) and the US (friendly with Kosovo) are at such odds on the issue of independence for Kosovo. Who gets to buy that zinc (and who doesn't get to buy it) is the real argument ... not whether the people of Kosovo should be independent or remain Serbian subjects.

  • 115.
  • At 06:59 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • KFOR-7 CMO Officer wrote:

The article is interesting that it is in fact a "puff" piece with little or no value. Yet it stirs a wide range of emotion and debate as seen here on these posts. But for what other than venting ones frustrations and views.
I have served two tours in Kosovo with the US Military and I can tell you the following as factual:

1. Almost all facets and levels of the provisional government in Kosovo are corrupt. In fact its the worst I've ever seen and I've had to deal with some pretty corrupt governments during my career.
2. Supervised independence or even full independence will not improve the miserable lives of the ordinary people of Kosovo. Partly because of what I've listed as fact "1"., and partly because it will take decades of imense amounts of foreign aid throughout economy in order to bring Kosovo into a functioning state that wouldn't need foreign assistance for its survival.
3. Ethnic cleansing is still a common occurence in Kosovo but, this time its the ethnic Albanians ethnically cleansing the Serbs, Roma, Ashkali, Croatians, and Turk minorities through intimidation and at times outright force. I have personally witnessed this on many occasions.
4. No amount of foreign investment will provide enough jobs for the amount of unemployed people in Kosovo. The only way for Kosovo to maintain stability is for the EU to open its borders for an influx of foreign workers from Kosovo.
5. Islamic extremism is on the rise in Kosovo. KFOR soldiers have been attacked in Gjilan, Ferizaj, and Prizren when I was there. You just won't see or hear about it in the news. More Mosques have been built in Kosovo in the last five years than schools, roads, health clinics, and all other santitation project combined. Compliments of Muslim charities from the Middle East.
6. Mass graves of Kosovo Serbs and Roma have been found during my rotation and reported to the UN. Yet nothing has been done. Why? When we posed the question to our UN contacts in Pristina they replied: "During the transitional stage of Kosovo this would be destablizing. We'll wait until there is a final resolution before we proceed." All those journalists interested in a real story...start looking in around Novo Brdo.
7. The US Government along with key EU allies never had any intention of allowing Serbia a fair opportunity to negotiate with the Kosovar provisional government on the possibilities of a workable settlement that might have been permanent. I was party to a couple of meetings where US Government officials point blank told the Kosovar representatives that no matter what, the US will support independence and that going to these conferences in Vienna were just to give a favorable impression on the world opinion.

These are the facts. Some people might be outraged and some might be supprised however it really doesn't matter in the final analysis of all things considered. Superpowers will do what they want.
Kosovo independence will do nothing for stability of the region, in fact, the opposite will occur.
The Kosovar Albanians are now joyous they will have a new nation but, when all the partying ends and the dust clears, all that will exist is another backward, poverty stricken, underdeveloped, internationally protected country in an area of hostile neighbors thats todays news story and tomorrows breeding ground for extremism and resentment.

  • 116.
  • At 08:27 AM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • Mirek Kondracki wrote:

Re#114

You're right that Middle Eeastern fundamentalists (mostly rich Saudis) try to introduce their brand of intolerant Wahhabism into Balkans, but then, they've been trying to do the same in Afghanistan, Algeria, Egypt, France, Germany, Indonesia, Iraq, Libya, Moroco, Pakistan, Spain, Tunesia, Turkey, UK and Yemen.

In Kosovo and Turkey with a very limited success, may I add.

So tell us something we don't already know.

  • 117.
  • At 01:05 PM on 25 Feb 2008,
  • Tanja wrote:

Would that there were more people like KFOR-7 CMO Officer in the above post, ready to speak the factual truth of Kosovo and UN mission there. I myself have been to Kosovo many times, before, during and after 1999, as a foreign correspondent. Being of Serbian nationality however, I had to be very careful not to reveal the fact south of river Ibar. In Prishtina, US soldier told me - are you mad? Can't you see we've got wild west on our hands here? And wild west indeed it is. Seldom did I come across a KFOR soldier (and I've spoken to a fair number) who didn't, at one point or another, experience the same disillusionment with the mission, or speak in more-less same words about the real situation in Kosovo and Metohija. However most of them asked to remain anonymous, or had their stories told only after they finished their shifts, for obvious reasons. Some of the facts have leaked over the last 10 years, and some of the allegations against Serbs have been disproven, but the bulk of it still remains unknown to general western public, unpublished, marginalized and generally hushed. My British friends often ask me, why don't we know these things? Why aren't we told? My answer remains the same - it is not in the long term interest of your government. Kosovo is an important piece on European check board, and in politics notions like truth, facts, law, can be bent, distorted, stretched to the point of snapping. And they do.

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  • At 04:09 PM on 25 Feb 2008,
  • M. Joussef wrote:

While the whole world is in favor of keeping nations united and trying to unite the fragmented countries, all of a sudden this seems to be deferent with Kosovo and Serbia!!!

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  • At 05:28 PM on 26 Feb 2008,
  • Eris wrote:

Are we serious here? Kosovo Serbian land? The name "Kosovo" is of Serbian linguistic origins, but it has never been Serbian, it has only been Serbian-controlled through the military, the paramilitary, the police, the UDB and other instruments of terror. The ancient name is Dardania, an Illyrian name that means "land of pears". the word itself is still used in Albanian language. And then, how come a people moves in the Balkans from Siberia, or God only knows where, and after looting, bloodshed, displacing, stealing land piece by piece,some of their descendants now claim that land has always been theirs? Is this what Serbian priests preach in their medieval churches and monasteries?
I am catholic and I know for sure this is not what Christianity is about. Raping, murdering, burning villages are not "chrsitian love". Nor has anyone needed the mighty Serbian army to fight a Crusade against (mostly civilian women and children) Catholics in Croatia and Slovenia, Muslims in Bosnia, and Orthodox, Catholic and Muslims alike in Kosovo. Apparently religion is not as important as some want to make it seem.
Nor has it ever been.
The only force pushing people towards unacceptable violence is sick nationalism and thorough brainwashing.

The future doesn't have to be grim for Serbia though. The Balkans will sooner or later be wholly part of the European Union and borders between countries will be virtually non-existent. There is really no need to isolate the country from the whole world, with the exception of Russia and China, countries that do not belong in Europe and where human rights are violated every single day. Serbs, like other peoples around them, have lived in Europe for centuries and it might be useful to follow the example of Poland, Chezch Republic, Slovenia, Croatia etc. who have moved on from terrible historical facts and now live in peace with their fellow Europeans.

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