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Message 1.Â
Posted by toffee (U8026926) on Thursday, 8th December 2011
We're certainly seeing (or hearing!) the real Erin now. A bit OTT cos she instantly sounds like a mad stalker, but it certainly gives the impression she might've done this before, like it's been said by someone, that this might be the reason for her changing schools. Like she got fixated over someone else's Dad!
Unfortunatly it also means it's obvious Ali isn't going to drop his trousers for her now that they aren't having her be subtle about it! -
Message 2
Posted by Glebe Cow (U2281862) on Thursday, 8th December 2011
The not taking No for an answer is a bit worrying though - there was a hint of a threat. I think we can safely assume that she's done this before and that it had something to do with her missing year - as others have surmised.
Alistair is a ridiculous sap and walked into this. Is he finally going to tell Shula? -
Message 3
Posted by Glebe Cow (U2281862) on Thursday, 8th December 2011
Nope. What an idiot.
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Message 4
Posted by toffee (U8026926) on Thursday, 8th December 2011
The not taking No for an answer is a bit worrying though - there was a hint of a threat. I think we can safely assume that she's done this before and that it had something to do with her missing year - as others have surmised.
Alistair is a ridiculous sap and walked into this. Is he finally going to tell Shula?Â
Is he gonna tell Shula? Clearly not, which seems to instantly make it rather obvious where this is going for the last 8 episodes, (I think it's 8)
I dunno why Ali thinks Dan and Erin are 'together'; either cos it's obvious they aren't, (when he 'said' they won't be together much longer) bujt it was the excuse he used for having her around, that she was 'just' Dan's girlfriend.
'Least said, soonest mended' Ooooh dear!
I suspect Ali's let out clause ultimately will be when it IS revealed that Erin was moved from her last school cos she got obsessed with another schoolmates Dad or something certainly along those lines, so it'll be decided it wasn't Ali's fault. Whether the snog will be revealed will be interesting!
I am of course, assuming that it's not gonna just stay between Ali and Erin, and it probably won't or there'd be no story! -
Message 5
Posted by welshteddy (U3680635) on Thursday, 8th December 2011
Not telling St. Shugs?
BIG mistake, Alistair, BIG mistake. -
Message 6
Posted by Glebe Cow (U2281862) on Thursday, 8th December 2011
It will presumably have been a teacher. Whose career she probably all but ended, whether he was in the wrong or not.
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Message 7
Posted by Jane in Egypt (U14410788) on Thursday, 8th December 2011
Not telling St. Shugs?
BIG mistake, Alistair, BIG mistake. Massive, totally massive. Makes it into a dirty secret where as if he told her and they had a good old laugh at youngsters today it would defuse any future problems
"Yes I know Erin, Alastair told" is a much better response to any kiss and tell than "What!!!!"
You would have thought after the previous hidden secret he would have learnt his lesson about keeping things out in the open in his marriage.
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Message 8
Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Thursday, 8th December 2011
But. like I said, she's a specious little exploitative tart, and I disbelieve even more that stuff about glandular fever.
Sorry - may be written in Who's Who, but frankly, after that little epi.............far more to her 'past' than meets the eye. And poor Dan is going to get a drunken rant at or near the Ball which is going to reveal all or nearly.
Not sure about the wisdom of telling Shula. Interesting Q. -
Message 9
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Thursday, 8th December 2011
Not sure about the wisdom of telling Shula. Interesting Q.Â
Very hard to call in advance!
Say nothing - seems bad if she makes accusations, but best chance of it all blowing over
Tell Shula - doubtful if Shula can let it just blow over
Conclusion: Damned either way, so may as well have a bit of fun with the girl anyway. -
Message 10
Posted by nesta vipers (U2256451) on Thursday, 8th December 2011
Not telling St. Shugs?
BIG mistake, Alistair, BIG mistake. Massive, totally massive. Makes it into a dirty secret where as if he told her and they had a good old laugh at youngsters today it would defuse any future problems
"Yes I know Erin, Alastair told" is a much better response to any kiss and tell than "What!!!!"
You would have thought after the previous hidden secret he would have learnt his lesson about keeping things out in the open in his marriage.
±õ»å¾±´Ç³ÙÌý Alastair is, & always has been, and idiot. There was the drugs stuff, the gambling, befriending that yob - I think it may take a bit more than home decoration to get him off the hook this time
Would he really be so stupid? It`s quite obvious that Erin is slightly deranged.
I wonder what Dan will think? Will he remember the way she has been & some of the things she has said (like about some boys she was hanging round with "you know how they are round me" - a strange thing for an attractive young girl to feel she has to say to a young man I thought)
Erin`s a bit of a nutter imo
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Message 11
Posted by NotsoTinyTim (U2256329) on Thursday, 8th December 2011
< You would have thought after the previous hidden secret he would have learnt his lesson about keeping things out in the open in his marriage >
Keeping things out in the open can frighten the horses, and you can get two years for doing that. Erin would certainly get the wrong end of the stick again, so to speak.
Shulugh is not in a strong moral position here becausing she was shtupping her GP when also going out with Ali; as Joe wittily remarked it was lucky that Ambridge didn't have a dentist. However, I suppose that Shulugh and Ali weren't married then and the GP wasn't an 18/19 year old. -
Message 12
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Thursday, 8th December 2011
Alan Clarke famously had sex with a mother and both her daughters so why should Erin not have fun with father AND son?
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Message 13
Posted by joe (U13868420) on Thursday, 8th December 2011
why should Erin not have fun with father AND son? Fun? /Alistair/??
Could even Erin be /that/ delusional? -
Message 14
Posted by strokecitydave (U5467417) on Thursday, 8th December 2011
It`s quite obvious that Erin is slightly deranged. Â
True. She must also be rather boring underneath it all if she's got the hots for dull Al? -
Message 15
Posted by Lady Trudie Tilney Glorfindel Maldini (U2222312) on Thursday, 8th December 2011
Well, I'm not sure being a bunny boiler will look good on her personal statement for vet school.
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Message 16
Posted by toffee (U8026926) on Thursday, 8th December 2011
It`s quite obvious that Erin is slightly deranged. Â
True. She must also be rather boring underneath it all if she's got the hots for dull Al?Â
Did she actually tell Ali she thought he was 'hot'? Or did I hear that wrong?
If she DID say that, I'm intrigued! Does he look like George Clooney?! -
Message 17
Posted by Spartacus (U2261983) on Thursday, 8th December 2011
Yup,she did,toffee,and that she 'wanted him all the time'-I wanted a bucket..
She's a strange one and no mistake,I'm not certain she's going to take No for an answer either.
Poor Daniel. -
Message 18
Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Thursday, 8th December 2011
Poor Daniel indeed, and very /very/ silly Alistair. This SL is like seeing a car-crash about to happen, in slow motion.
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Message 19
Posted by Lady Trudie Tilney Glorfindel Maldini (U2222312) on Thursday, 8th December 2011
Fit, I think. And so kind and wonderful etc......
I think the back story may well be some sort of pstchological disturbance. -
Message 20
Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Friday, 9th December 2011
The Who's who entry could hardly give an explanation that would be a spoiler, could it? If the apprent story is that she had glandular fever, then that is what is going to be put there.
My theory for a long time has been that she had an affair with a teacher at her last school. This might just be the saving of Alistair, if she starts accusing him of sexual harrassment or worse. -
Message 21
Posted by splitnotes (U2320878) on Friday, 9th December 2011
Worse please- hearing Shula's reaction would be worth it.
I feel a bit guilty about Dan but my excitement at a comeuppance for St Shula knows no bounds. Hahaha. -
Message 22
Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Friday, 9th December 2011
OK, I'll go with that. Just feel sure that her 'past' is a tad murkier than we yet know judging by how boy / man crazy she has been since day one of this series.
Are you usually off school for a whole year from glandular fever? Hmm. Three months maybe, but...... Perhaps if she missed a lot, she / parents decided to call it quits and start again?
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the clincher is that at such a critical time of her school career, they decided to MOVE schools? Even more hmmm. -
Message 23
Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Friday, 9th December 2011
I imagine that it may be possible to miss so much school through glandular fever that you would consider dropping a year. It's the changing school because of needing to drop a year that never quite washed with me.
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Message 24
Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Friday, 9th December 2011
Yep - that changing school strategy? Hmm.
If she was as 'friendly' at previous school as she seems to have become at the Cathedral School, surely she / parents would want to keep her on where she already has a good friendship group etc?
But OTOH should she have got into big trouble in some way, then maybe school-switch is judicious? -
Message 25
Posted by Lady Trudie Tilney Glorfindel Maldini (U2222312) on Friday, 9th December 2011
It's not that unusual to change schools for sixth form, round here anyway.
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Message 26
Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Friday, 9th December 2011
But she didn't change schools for sixth form initially - she is *repeating* her first year (or at the very least re-starting it).
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Message 27
Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Friday, 9th December 2011
Or r ather, she may have changed school for her first attempt at the first year of sixth form, but her moving to Felpersham was not because she was starting sixth form.
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Message 28
Posted by returnmigration (U14260026) on Friday, 9th December 2011
I'm still wondering excactly where Alistair's receptionisnt/nurse/cleaner is at all these times Erin is trying to play Tongue Hockey with him.
Dont bother with the semantics of where this ghastly Kate-like creature went to school, the entire SL is ludicrous. -
Message 29
Posted by NotsoTinyTim (U2256329) on Friday, 9th December 2011
< I imagine that it may be possible to miss so much school through glandular fever that you would consider dropping a year >
It sounds like it wasn't a year that Erin dropped but an article of her clothing. -
Message 30
Posted by Poorgrass (U12099742) on Friday, 9th December 2011
I bet Erin, now that she has been rebuffed is either going to go all Fatal Attraction or else she's going to make a false accusation . The story line isn't going to end here. Alistair was silly not to mention it to Shula, but it is a bit of a nightmare.
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Message 31
Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Friday, 9th December 2011
It is a bit difficult for Alistair to tell Shula, even if that would probably be the best option. She believes that Erin is romantically involved with Daniel, and so she may well assume that Alistair is reading far more into the situation than there is. She also thinks that Erin is an emotionally mature woman. She may have a woman's body, but she doesn't seem to be emotionally stable.
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Message 32
Posted by charmingAnnielynn (U11952070) on Friday, 9th December 2011
I don't think it really matters at this point if Shula is a bit sceptical, Lakey Hill... it's an unpleasant situation any way you look at it, but one of Al's better options might be to make a strong offence play and tell Shula (let her be doubtful! Just get it out there so you're not hiding this!), and then the next time Erin so much as crosses his line of vision, whip out his cell phone and call up Shula on speed dial. If being on the phone to his wife stops Erin from making a play for him, so much the better, but even if it doesn't (more likely, IMO), he can hold the phone out towards her, capture her "oooh, you're SO fit! I want you SO much!", then put it back to his ear and say to Shula "See?! I told you!! She just won't listen to reason!!". Even Erin might start to feel a little foolish trying to seduce a man at the same time he's having a conversation with his wife about how delusional Erin is being...
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Message 33
Posted by ElShambo (U9463138) on Friday, 9th December 2011
I am so annoyed that this story line is not being mentioned in The Archers - it concerns major characters, and would make for dramatic episodes. Are we supposed to assume that everything will be resolved quickly and cleanly by the end of this series of AmEx, and all back to normal.
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Message 34
Posted by Lady Trudie Tilney Glorfindel Maldini (U2222312) on Friday, 9th December 2011
We'll have to wait and see, I guess......that's why it's called Extra, I think. They can't cover every character 24 hours a day in TA. Who knows what Caroline and Jolene and Kirsty and Mr Pullen are getting up to right now (not together, obviously)
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Message 35
Posted by Pat_Clifton (U14447939) on Friday, 9th December 2011
Alistair's BIG mistake was not pulling out of the kiss three seconds sooner. With the memory of that, she can build a whole fantasy around it in which Al reciprocates her feelings. He can tell her it's not true till he's blue in the face - she won't believe him.
When this all comes crashing down around Alistair's ears, who will feel the greater sense of betrayal: Shula or Dan? I'll plump for Dan. Having your dad steal your girlfriend must rank very high on the list of things to most damage your self-esteem! -
Message 36
Posted by mike (U14258103) on Saturday, 10th December 2011
>>>Alastair is, & always has been, and idiot. There was the drugs stuff, the gambling, befriending that yob -<<<
... marrying Shula doesn't score many points in the sensible league. -
Message 37
Posted by Poorgrass (U12099742) on Saturday, 10th December 2011
>... marrying Shula doesn't score many points in the sensible league.<
I don't know where you get that from. Shula is one of the more sensible Ambridge females -she forgave Alistair his gambling spree, she's unlikely to stray, she can be kind and compassionate, and as for her performance in the bedroom department, well Richard Locke had no complaints. Compared to marrying Pat, Elizabeth or Kathy I would think she's an eminently sensible choice. -
Message 38
Posted by barwick_green (U2668006) on Saturday, 10th December 2011
< Compared to marrying Pat, Elizabeth or Kathy I would think she's an eminently sensible choice. >
Comparing those four harpies is like choosing which limb you want amputated, Best not to get married at all/keep your limbs. -
Message 39
Posted by The Giddy Kipper (U10918464) on Sunday, 11th December 2011
>>Alistair's BIG mistake was not pulling out of the kiss three seconds sooner. With the memory of that, she can build a whole fantasy around it in which Al reciprocates her feelings. He can tell her it's not true till he's blue in the face - she won't believe him.<<
I can't see why she would, I dong believe it either. He colluded with all the indications that this wasn't just a 'professional' relationship and then asked her to an evening drinky thing which must have realised could pass as a date in Erin's mind, as his stupid thoughts about what the bar staff and 'the women' at the meeting might think, showed.
Though I can't help thinking this is all a bit of a SWs fantasy, the comment about women at a meeting being annoyed and jealous at the presence of a pretty teenager, and the awful 'so fresh' comment is really offensive and a bit creepy....... -
Message 40
Posted by JustJanie - Fairweather Strider (U10822512) on Sunday, 11th December 2011
<< and the awful 'so fresh' comment is really offensive and a bit creepy....... >>
OMG yes, yes and yes!! At what age does one go stale, I wonder? -
Message 41
Posted by MinnieBannister (U3716023) on Sunday, 11th December 2011
Agree about the 'so fresh'. Ewwwww!
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Message 42
Posted by Elnora Cornstalk (U5646495) on Sunday, 11th December 2011
Yes, creepy old Al.
To my ears, it suggested lingering appreciation, not a man jumping back in shock horror. I still can't picture the scene later when he fought her off. Where were they? Why couldn't he just turn and walk away? (Well, he might have been remembering his manners, but I'd have thought the circumstances justified him!) -
Message 43
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 11th December 2011
here were they? Why couldn't he just turn and walk away? (Well, he might have been remembering his manners, but I'd have thought the circumstances justified him!)Â
He was at (leaving?) some farm - Erin got where from the office (may be Al's salvation)
Why can't he just say to Erin
"You are a lovely young lady, and if i were not married I would very happily have a relationship with you. But I am married and simply not available." -
Message 44
Posted by Elnora Cornstalk (U5646495) on Sunday, 11th December 2011
O I, if only Al could speak so plainly!
He'll muddle along until the end of this series, and, I suspect, in TA thereafter, always backing away too late. He's a 'but I didn't inhale' type. -
Message 45
Posted by Lady Trudie Tilney Glorfindel Maldini (U2222312) on Monday, 12th December 2011
I agree the 'so fresh' sounded pretty icky - but it was a thought bubble not a spoken comment - I suppose the writer was trying to convey a momentary 'wow' moment of appreciation before commone sense prevailed.. I think the question is, how long was the moment?
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Message 46
Posted by Elnora Cornstalk (U5646495) on Monday, 12th December 2011
< 'I think the question is, how long was the moment?'>
Yes, this is the key question, ermintrude, and I suspect that if Alastair doesn't tell Shula now, that moment will seem longer and longer - to us, to Shula, and perhaps to Erin and Alistair. (No matter what the objective time in micro-seconds!). -
Message 47
Posted by Karol (U14725696) on Monday, 12th December 2011
Well if he was a betting man...................oh er
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Message 48
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Monday, 12th December 2011
In reply to :
< 'I think the question is, how long was the moment?'>
Yes, this is the key question, ermintrude, and I suspect that if Alastair doesn't tell Shula now, that moment will seem longer and longer - to us, to Shula, and perhaps to Erin and Alistair. (No matter what the objective time in micro-seconds!).Â
I timed it. About 4 seconds.
One can imagine Al initially enjoying a pretty young girl giving him a big smacker of a thank-you kiss, then the realisation that she planned far more. Whererat, he stopped it. -
Message 49
Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Monday, 12th December 2011
Well, there seemed to be the initial "thank you" kiss, then a tiny pause, then another one - or as I heard it there was.
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