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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by careen (U1935190) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
But are not at liberty to say.
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Message 2
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
No, we can say it here.
We just can't say it on the DtA section. -
Message 3
Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
I can already hear the hackles rising, or they will, when those who listen to TA only hear what WE are getting on AmEx!!!!
What was Roy's almost last word? 'Kate sounds a bit...well, odd...'
We sure do know what's up.
So 'TA and AmEx stand alone', do they? Well, this SL looks as if they have taken the decision to run AmEx and TA exactly parallel at the same time, and not only that, but one of the major players in TA comments on one of the major players in AmEx DIRECTLY about how that character seems.
As you say above, We in AmEx KNOW why Kate is 'a bit odd'
You wait until the slurry hits the air conditioning on THIS one when TA on;y fans find this out!! -
Message 4
Posted by toffee (U8026926) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
It's almost a con, cos she sounded tonight, nothing like she now sounds on TAX, and of course, when she agreed to Pheebs going on holiday with a lot of older men, she agreed to it cos she'd have agreed to anything, she was so eager to get back to her naked lover!
It's two completely different scenarios, even though it's the same story. -
Message 5
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
It's two completely different scenarios, even though it's the same story.Ìý
Yes - but that is not merely a proper approach, it's a common literary device - eg Changing Places, or The Slap. -
Message 6
Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
But in those cases, OI, ALL their audience saw BOTH sides.
IN the TA vs AmEx spat, many on the TA-only side will have no idea how complex the SA situation is and thus not fully understand what Roy in TA was saying about Kate's 'oddness', or its import. AmEx & TA listeners WILL know.
I think that is rank sleight of hand by the prod team. There has very clearly been a huge liaison, collusion and consultation - call it what you will - between the two sets of SWs + Editor. More so than in any other AmEx story I can remember. So far.
And it all ties in with yet another ´óÏó´«Ã½ series of trails urging us all to buy DAB. It is NOT coincidental IMO. -
Message 7
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
In reply to DracsM1:
But in those cases, OI, ALL their audience saw BOTH sides.
IN the TA vs AmEx spat, many on the TA-only side will have no idea how complex the SA situation is and thus not fully understand what Roy in TA was saying about Kate's 'oddness', or its import. AmEx & TA listeners WILL know.Ìý
Yes, but NOT knowing simply puts the deniers in the place of the Ambridge based characters. It's their choice to remain unaware of AmEx activities.
And it all ties in with yet another ´óÏó´«Ã½ series of trails urging us all to buy DAB. It is NOT coincidental IMO.Ìý
Absolutely. Though as anyone can listen to AmEx on DTB TV, Satellite, or internet, I think they are doomed to fail. DAB will be the Betamax of radio. -
Message 8
Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
TA only listeners will indeed not know and thus remain comfortably mystified by Roy's remark, but you know as well as I do that sooner rather than later, if this AmEx plot gets any more convoluted and Phoebe is in touch with her family in Ambridge on either AmEx or TA, there are posters who will spill the beans.
I think the TA-onlies will be more furious than with any other TA / AmEx interface.
We shall see. -
Message 9
Posted by Anonymous (U14994586) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
She did an absolutely abysmal job trying to explain why Phoebe wasn't coming back.
"Phoebe said that she desperately wanted to go on a camp, and I sort-of said yes. -
Message 10
Posted by toffee (U8026926) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
She did an absolutely abysmal job trying to explain why Phoebe wasn't coming back.
"Phoebe said that she desperately wanted to go on a camp, and I sort-of said yes.Ìý
"Cos I was sort of in bed with my lover at the time Pheebs asked over the phone so I just said what she wanted to hear to get rid of her!"
Which is another point, cos in a way Hayley was right, Kate WILL be glad to have Pheebs out the way so the stupid woman can keep carrying on with the womanising lover who now he's had his way with her, will probably soon be bored with her.
I think that tho they say they are obsessed with never having the two programmes talked about on the same forum,they are secretly putting the same story on cos they want hints dropped so everyone who listens to TA will be curious to want to start listening to TAX!
Specially as they even have hints of what is happening in TAX spoken on TA - like what Roy said.
What a con! -
Message 11
Posted by Farewell Fieldpenguin (U2266391) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
I don't see tha this has to be a problem. Even in Series One there were hints of things in TA that were spelled out fully in AE. It just doesn't matter in TA why Kate sounds distracted, and it doesn't matter in AE what Phoebe's father thinks of the camping trip.
For that reason I don't see why it should matter if we post about AE in DtA, but hey ho. -
Message 12
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
I think the TA-onlies will be more furious than with any other TA / AmEx interface.Ìý
snork -
Message 13
Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
In fact, it's just started already in a guarded way................!!!!
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Message 14
Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Yeah, but, be fair FGS, the plots were not running concurrently on both as now!!
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Message 15
Posted by Pat_Clifton (U14447939) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
If Ambex didn't exist, then in all probability this plot would have still played out on TA in the way it did tonight. After all, there were dark hints that all was not well chez Madikane when Kate came over to study at Felpersham, but it was never spelt out. The TA onlies are getting what they have always had, it is just we are getting extra. If they want to know more, they can listen to Ambex. If they don't want to know more, they just listen to TA. I can't see why this is a problem.
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Message 16
Posted by Lady Trudie Tilney Glorfindel Maldini (U2222312) ** on Sunday, 8th July 2012
TA only listeners will indeed not know and thus remain comfortably mystified by Roy's remark,Ìý
Agreed. So they probably won't worry about what they don't know.
there are posters who will spill the beans. Ìý
Yes, they just can't help it.
I think the TA-onlies will be more furious than with any other TA / AmEx interface. Ìý
It's a ML problem, not a TA problem. -
Message 17
Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
It's a ML problem, not a TA problem.Ìý
Agreed. I really don't care about people get their knickers in a twist about what they can't be bothered with in the first place. -
Message 18
Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
I was merely murmuring what is about to / is actually happening on DTA.
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Message 19
Posted by Polly Tunnel (U1530077) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
If Ambex didn't exist, then in all probability this plot would have still played out on TA in the way it did tonight. After all, there were dark hints that all was not well chez Madikane when Kate came over to study at Felpersham, but it was never spelt out. The TA onlies are getting what they have always had, it is just we are getting extra. If they want to know more, they can listen to Ambex. If they don't want to know more, they just listen to TA. I can't see why this is a problem.Ìý
My thoughts exactly. -
Message 20
Posted by Paul237 (U12153576) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Some are very defensive over there! You only have to so much as mention AmEx and at least one person starts ranting about how awful it is, etc.
Of course people are entitled to their own opinions, but I find it a bit much to be honest. -
Message 21
Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
which was only too predictable!
Let's be honest - a lot of the most vocal protestors do not listen to AmEx on a point of principle. No matter what happens, they are not going to listen and then they are going to be very upset indeed.
The artificial segregation of the boards is just silly - as the storyline develops, it's going to be hard to remember what you learnt in which programme, tempers are going to flare, conspiracy theories will abound once again that AmEx is all a plot to get people to buy DAB radios, and the end of the world is nigh.
It's a radio show - a bit of light entertainment - nothing more! -
Message 22
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
conspiracy theories will abound once again that AmEx is all a plot to get people to buy DAB radiosÌý
I think it probably is.
But the only way that will work is if it is NOT available via other distribution channels.
Which I suspect will kill it off entirely.
DAB is the Betamax of broadcasting. -
Message 23
Posted by Paul237 (U12153576) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Surely DAB is like digital telly? Eventually analogue radio will switch to digital? The latter is getting quite antiquated now.
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Message 24
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
In reply to Paul237:
Surely DAB is like digital telly? Eventually analogue radio will switch to digital? The latter is getting quite antiquated now.Ìý
That's what they want - so they can SELL the spectrum released.
But it's a bad comparison. Digital TV has clear technical superiority over analogue. Even without HD you get better pics, and can carry more channels.
But Digital Radio - at least the system/frequencies they have chosen, is grossly inferior to analogue, where the cheapest FM/AM radio will get a signal without an aerial almost anywhere, and run for ages on cheap batteries. DAB radio by contrast is expensive to buy, and crippling to run on batteries. And it USUALLY requires an antenna, removing the mobility of kit.
Plus most of us have many FM/AM radios, usually one per room, often integrated into other equipment which we wish to keep not replace. -
Message 25
Posted by Paul237 (U12153576) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Perhaps. I just feel that twizzling a dial to 'tune into' stations is a bit old hat now. I prefer the way DAB radios just list all the stations and are much clearer in quality.
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Message 26
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
In reply to Paul237:
Perhaps. I just feel that twizzling a dial to 'tune into' stations is a bit old hat now. I prefer the way DAB radios just list all the stations and are much clearer in quality.Ìý
They are perhaps clearer if you are somewhere with a very strong signal, and wish to remain in the room with the receiving set. But what if you want to wander round the house in the morning listening to the Today programme?
And I understand from aficionados that the actual quality is poor as they use insufficient bandwidth per station in order to cram more in.
I never twizzle dials. All my wirelesses are permatuned to Radio 4FM.
I even have a different set permatuned to R4LW for TMS. -
Message 27
Posted by Anonymous (U14994586) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Unless of course, you get Ambridge Extra as a podcast on iTunes, in which case it might well be little more than a ploy to get listeners.
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Message 28
Posted by Malahide (U14258229) on Monday, 9th July 2012
It's a ML problem, not a TA problem.Ìý
Agreed. I really don't care about people get their knickers in a twist about what they can't be bothered with in the first place. Ìý Just joining the thread very late to say I couldn't agree more Bette.
I'm bemused by the foam-flecked vehemence of some of the posts in DTA, *still* kicking up about the existence of AmEx in this, its third series. There's even the bizarre accusation that AmEx listeners gang up deliberately to provoke the TA-onlys. I'd sigh if I could be bothered. Bet everyone reads the AmEx MB though. -
Message 29
Posted by Parish Spinster (U2256426) on Monday, 9th July 2012
You're obviously in a good area. There's chunks of the UK that still can't get decent FM, never mind DAB. Of course, they're quite far from London, so obviously don't matter.
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Message 30
Posted by RAFromSw (U14574822) on Monday, 9th July 2012
... It's a ML problem, not a TA problem .....
Agreed, and what makes me annoyed is that there are only a small number of very vociferous contributors to the DtA board who complained so loudly, I can't belive the vast majority cared that much - in fact may have been keen to find out what was in the back story.
I have always felt that those who are most wound up about the cross over between the programmes could always listen to Amex - it's only another 24 minutes a week...... -
Message 31
Posted by My Mum is turning in her grave (U13137565) on Monday, 9th July 2012
I, OTOH, never got a good FM signal even with a special ariel in my attic, but get reasonable DAB reception even on my cheapo radio. However I can get Radio Eire on my FM radio.
However I don't find AMEX paticularly entertaining listening so I shall just read the synopsis kindly provided above.
As has been said before, those us following both can discuss all aspects here. Why the insistence on spoiling other people's enjoymen of TA? -
Message 32
Posted by JustJanie - Fairweather Strider (U10822512) on Monday, 9th July 2012
<< I can't belive the vast majority cared that much - in fact may have been keen to find out what was in the back story. >>
You could say something similar about spoilers yet there is the convention that they are not mentioned on DTA and, like AmEx, spoilers have their own topic. So since mentioning AmEx plots DOES spoil TA for some - they have said so - I think their wishes should be respected especially as the host has asked us not to discuss AmEx there at least until the season is over.
I know it's not easy with the small details, but it really wouldn't be right to mention what Kate is getting up to with Johann, would it? I mean, one could hardly say, 'Oh, gosh, did that happen in AmEx, and not TA? Well, well, I'd quite forgotten that!'
Oh, and just because only a few complain does not mean that they are the only ones who care. -
Message 33
Posted by RAFromSw (U14574822) on Monday, 9th July 2012
To me a spoiler is revealing information which has yet to be broadcast. An Amex reference is just revealing some information which gives background to the main story. If you never listen to Amex it can hardly spoil your enjoyment.
I don't disagree that these boards are generally for Amex, what I do disagree with is the abuse that any poster will get for accidentally, or helpfully mentioning Amex plots on the other boards when it helps to understand something.
Oh - and I think it was another poster who summed the number of posters over a week and found that some massive number like 70+% were written by less than 100 people. I can't find the original, but I don't agree that they are representative. -
Message 34
Posted by JustJanie - Fairweather Strider (U10822512) on Monday, 9th July 2012
Well I interpret 'spoiler' more literally, Robin, something which spoils things for other people and clearly mentioning major AmEx plot lines does.
I agree though that it's not appropriate to come down like a ton of bricks if someone happens to mention accidentally something really minor that happened in AmEx but not TA like Jamie eating a bacon sandwich (though as a matter of fact he started it in one and finished in the other if I remember correctly!) -
Message 35
Posted by Redbookish (U1335018) on Monday, 9th July 2012
It's a ML problem, not a TA problem.Ìý Ermintrude & Bette, you are both so right. I listen to both on the Iplayer, or podcasts, generally late at night or over breakfast the next morning.
But listening to TA in today's 2pm repeat while having lunch, I think that the conversations with Kate stood on their own. We don't *need* to know what exactly is distracting Kate to see the effect on Hayley & Roy, and to see how selfishly Kate manages the whole thing. And of course, it's not just her lover who's distracting her -- Lucas is being a selfish, egotistical close-to-domestic-abuse kind of non-partner at the moment.
I found the first AmEx epi uncomfortable to listen to because of Lucas' treatment of Kate -- it had the edge of domestic abuse. It wasn't so bad in the 2nd epi, but there's definitely trouble ahead! -
Message 36
Posted by Redbookish (U1335018) on Monday, 9th July 2012
Agreed, and what makes me annoyed is that there are only a small number of very vociferous contributors to the DtA board who complained so loudly, I can't belive the vast majority cared that much - in fact may have been keen to find out what was in the back story.
I have always felt that those who are most wound up about the cross over between the programmes could always listen to Amex - it's only another 24 minutes a week......Ìý I really enjoy listening to The Archers. Always have, and I take the rough with the smooth. So what I don't get is why Archers fans don't rejoice at a further 24 minutes of the programme! I think it's great fun. -
Message 37
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Monday, 9th July 2012
I, OTOH, never got a good FM signal even with a special ariel in my attic, but get reasonable DAB reception even on my cheapo radio. However I can get Radio Eire on my FM radio.Ìý
Propagation is a funny business. Are you in West Wales? -
Message 38
Posted by Blue Moon (U6160873) on Monday, 9th July 2012
Kate is having an affair?
Actually. I thought she sounded her usual "do what I say, I am right, you are wrong you pleb" when it comes to her speaking to Roy. I didn't get the she sounded odd/distant comment at all. However perhaps the interactions between Kate and Roy over the next few days or weeks will make that clearer.
I am a TA listener, but love a bit of inside info on a story line. I am liking the different dimensions this SL will have on the different programmes - TA giving us the perspective of the people close to Kate who have no idea what she is up to, and AmEx putting the listener into shoes of someone who does know what she is doing! -
Message 39
Posted by My Mum is turning in her grave (U13137565) on Monday, 9th July 2012
Yes
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Message 40
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Monday, 9th July 2012
Can't see any EXTRA DAB stations - but the aerials may favour one location more on DAB than FM. Or your DAB sets be more sensitive.
And there is also the "Digital Cliff" In a marginal area, when analogue may give a poor signal, the redundancy and error correction built into Digital will either produce a perfect signal or give up entirely. -
Message 41
Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Monday, 9th July 2012
Same here. It's another glimpse into the lives of characters.
But I get the definite impression that there is a hard core who are determined never to listen, no matter what happens - and then continue to complain about the mere existance of AmEx. We've got the situation now where a storyline is developing simultaneously in both shows and it seems rather perverse not to want to have the full picture. But that is up to individual choice, and we here in the ghetto of this Siberian corner of ML are used to being shunned. -
Message 42
Posted by Redbookish (U1335018) on Monday, 9th July 2012
I listen to both, and they intertwine nicely. BUt I don't think TA-only listeners miss out -- tey just hear a slightly different story, and I'm sure some of the events of AmEx will be mentioned i TA.
And going by all the different responses on this MB (and other public fora) we *all* hear a different episode each time, anyway, don't we?! -
Message 43
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Monday, 9th July 2012
we *all* hear a different episode each time, anyway, don't we?!Ìý
Good point. -
Message 44
Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Monday, 9th July 2012
we *all* hear a different episode each time, anyway, don't we?!Ìý
Absolutely!
Anyway, TA is a programme that one can pick up, leave, come back to. In the intervening time, lots of things happen of which one is not aware. It really does mirror a real village in many ways. We, the listeners, are just flies on the wall. -
Message 45
Posted by Lady Trudie Tilney Glorfindel Maldini (U2222312) ** on Monday, 9th July 2012
Fourthed - if you miss an episode (and I'm sure everyone must) you miss facts and plot developments. So you look it up or LA, or just work out the story from what *you've* heard.
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Message 46
Posted by Malahide (U14258229) on Monday, 9th July 2012
>In the intervening time, lots of things happen of which one is not aware. It really does mirror a real village in many ways. We, the listeners, are just flies on the wall. <
And the fact that - overall - different people empathise with different characters seems to show the editors, writers and directors are doing *something* right to keep us coming back to hear more - even if we don't clock in for every single episode, and certainly don't agree with one another on the MB over what we've heard. -
Message 47
Posted by Froginasock (U14272821) on Tuesday, 10th July 2012
It's Archers apartheid is what this is!
See what I did there? -
Message 48
Posted by seejay63 (U14296183) on Wednesday, 11th July 2012
But it's a bad comparison. Digital TV has clear technical superiority over analogue. Even without HD you get better pics, and can carry more channels.
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I prefer analogue myself - we never lost a signal, didn't get pixellated pictures. If anyone walks near our aerial the picture breaks up. The slightest movement in the aerial means we lose the picture, and it often decides that where it was happy being yesterday, isn't good enough today, so we have to try and move it again to make it happy. It's a real pain. I'm perfectly happy with my analogue radio too - with Ambridge Extra on i-player. -
Message 49
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Wednesday, 11th July 2012
I prefer analogue myself - we never lost a signal, didn't get pixellated pictures. If anyone walks near our aerial the picture breaks up. The slightest movement in the aerial means we lose the picture, and it often decides that where it was happy being yesterday, isn't good enough today, so we have to try and move it again to make it happy. It's a real pain. I'm perfectly happy with my analogue radio too - with Ambridge Extra on i-player.Ìý
I presume you are using a set-top or similar in a location with marginal signal strength. If you get an outside aerial it should be fine. -
Message 50
Posted by seejay63 (U14296183) on Thursday, 12th July 2012
I presume you are using a set-top or similar in a location with marginal signal strength. If you get an outside aerial it should be fine. Ìý
We have an indoor aerial. We are a few hundred yards from the transmitter so should get a good signal.
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