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Message 1.Â
Posted by Anonymous (U14994586) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Then it might make you feel a bit different about Kate.
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Message 2
Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
I have - I'm afraid I still don't ..!
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Message 3
Posted by Vicarshusband (U6051871) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
I won't. AmEx isn't real. I don't care what fantasy is cooked up over there, it ISN'T REAL and has nothing to do with the The Archers.
Which is real, obviously.
Er. Well, real-er, anyway.
VH -
Message 4
Posted by Anonymous (U14994586) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Well, it is real, because it's happening at the same time as this series. In fact, anyone who listened would know why Kate first agreed to the holiday, and why she sounded so detached on the phone.
If anything, my knowledge of the situation made me like Hayley even less than Kate. -
Message 5
Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
But whatever the reason - Kate was so bliddy *arrogant*. She doesn't care a fig for Phoebe .
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Message 6
Posted by gigglemahanaz2 (U14257954) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
I listen to both and i still think Kate is selfish......she's reaping now what she's sown over the years as far as I'm concerned!
Now the boot's on the other foot Kate can't handle things! -
Message 7
Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Anonymous, at least three quarters of the listeners to The Archers have chosen not to listen to Ambridge Extra and may not take kindly to being told about it. There is a special area set up for discussion of Ambridge Extra. I wonder how many people listen to Ambridge Extra and not to The Archers....
Personally I find it despicable that in their desperate wish to do as their political paymasters have required of them and force the country to use DAB, the ´óÏó´«Ã½ are so blatently going back on their word about the two programmes not relying on each other for understanding. -
Message 8
Posted by siriol (U14748387) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
I'm often using Catch Up at present as I have had more than enough of the witness intimadation story. The thought of an extra 30 minutes of AmEx seems like a step too far at the moment. I did listen to some of the last series but won't bother this time. I do find it irritating how you always get to know what's happening in the end from TA message board though
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Message 9
Posted by HtoHe (U2335032) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
message 7
<< the ´óÏó´«Ã½ are so blatently going back on their word about the two programmes not relying on each other for understanding. >>
You're not wrong, Chris. I tuned in for The Write Stuff this evening and just caught the TA theme tune followed by a message from the continuity person pretty much saying if you want to know what's going on with Phoebe and Kate switch to R4Extra right now. Ironically, I'd just tuned away from R4Extra to avoid it! -
Message 10
Posted by typewright (U14048004) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
But this is a SL on TA. It should stand or fall as a SL on TA. We shouldn't need to listen to a programme on another radio station to understand it.
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Message 11
Posted by Buntysdaughter (U7084475) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Exactly !
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Message 12
Posted by Polly Tunnel (U1530077) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Personally I find it despicable that in their desperate wish to do as their political paymasters have required of them and force the country to use DAB, the ´óÏó´«Ã½ are so blatently going back on their word about the two programmes not relying on each other for understanding.Â
I listen to AmEx on my computer so I have managed the UK to frustrate the Government conspiracy to force me to use DAB.
TA does not rely on AmEx for any understanding of the repercussion in Ambridge of Pheebs staying in SA. After all not hearing the Australian end of Kenton's marriage breakup didn't make any difference because the important facts were reported for the TA audience to hear which is exactly what is happening with Kate and Pheebs. -
Message 13
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
But this is a SL on TA. It should stand or fall as a SL on TA. We shouldn't need to listen to a programme on another radio station to understand it.Â
You don't NEED to know why Kate has her mind elsewhere.
Nor do you NEED a new wireless to listen to AmEx. -
Message 14
Posted by NewEssexWoman (U9776561) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
But this is a SL on TA. It should stand or fall as a SL on TA. We shouldn't need to listen to a programme on another radio station to understand it.Â
You don't need to listen to AmEx. By not doing so you are in the same situation as R&H - Feebs wanting to stay in SA is a bolt from the blue (though why that pair of imbiciles had no idea that Feebs is having a great time in SA is anyone's guess). The SL is still coherent (other than the SA term times that Chris has illuminated). Hpowever, if you do listen to AmEx then you'll understand things a bit more from Feeb's and kate's prospective as well.
I can't see anything wrong with this at all. -
Message 15
Posted by typewright (U14048004) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Who said you need a new listening device to recieve R4Extra? Not me.
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Message 16
Posted by StargazerwithOscar (U14668197) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Can you still turn the knobs to Hilversum and Luxemburg on your wireless, Icon?
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Message 17
Posted by cath (U2234232) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
I don't listen to every epi of TA - only those that are on when I'm around - and over the last few months that means I've caught usually one or two epis each week , sometimes three, as I don't do LA any more - well maybe twice since Nigel died. I don't have the time or inclination to LA on my computer.
I did listen to Amex this evening as it was on when I was around and I dislike that smug R4 programme that's on at the same time. I cope pretty well with what I don't hear. What I heard /before/ I heard Amex was a 14 year old saying she wanted to stay longer in SA than originally planned, sounding really upbeat, her mum defending her and her father and step mum and would-be bf being understandably upset. -
Message 18
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Who said you need a new listening device to recieve R4Extra? Not me.Â
Poly Tunnel in Msg 12
<< Can you still turn the knobs to Hilversum and Luxemburg on your wireless, Icon? >>
I do have one still in use that has stickers to mark the positions of the new-fangled Radios 1,2,3,4. -
Message 19
Posted by StargazerwithOscar (U14668197) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
As long as they don't get rid of Housewives' Choice, I'll be happy.
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Message 20
Posted by Polly Tunnel (U1530077) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Who said you need a new listening device to recieve R4Extra? Not me.
Poly Tunnel in Msg 12Â
Not guilty, me lord. Try message 7. -
Message 21
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Not guilty, me lord. Try message 7.Â
Sorry Polly.
Poor Chris - D&V and high BP both at once. -
Message 22
Posted by HtoHe (U2335032) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
message 12
<< After all not hearing the Australian end of Kenton's marriage breakup didn't make any difference because the important facts were reported for the TA audience to hear which is exactly what is happening with Kate and Pheebs. >>
It's not even essentially, let alone exactly, the same Polly. In the earlier case - and in all cases before AmEx came along - the only 'facts' were what happened or was reported on TA. Whatever you think of AmEx, what happens there is as 'factual' as anything that happens or is reported on TA. The pretence, when AmEx came along, was pretty much that you could, if you wished, ignore its existence and your appreciation of TA would be none the worse. This was, to say the least, a disingenuous claim because it could only truly apply to people who only ever discuss TA with people who also ignore AmEx. Now, as I mentioned above, you have the continuity person telling you in no uncertain terms that there's more to the story than what you've just heard and all you have to do is switch to R4Extra straight away. So, if it doesn't make any difference, how come they're making such an immediate and direct connec tion at a time when TA listeners can hardly fail to hear? -
Message 23
Posted by Vicarshusband (U6051871) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Why has the OP been hidden? If I recall correctly it just said "listen to AmEx for more background on this SL". It didn't say what the background was.
It can't be simply that it mentioned AmEx, can it?
I think the whole idea of AmEx is nonsense, but there's no point banning it from even being mentioned here.
VH -
Message 24
Posted by Paul237 (U12153576) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
A least three quarters? Where's the source for that figure?
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Message 25
Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
HtoHe, I think it is the same reason that on weekdays they frequently tell us, at seven o'clock just before the news and Archers, that we should be listening to the comedy on Radio 4 Extra. Theyare desperately trying to get people to listen to the duff tech forced upon them by the government a few years ago. It was obsolete even then and is even more so now, but they were compelled to pay for it and want to get what they can of their money's worth out of it.
That is the reason for Ambridge Extra existing: they told us at the time that it was to get listeners from Radio 4 to go to their new programme. (It was actually an old programme, Radio 7, made up of old programmes, but that is another matter.) -
Message 26
Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
My source for that figure is RAJAR, Paul; last time it appeared, just over a million listeners were claimed for the entire output of Radio 4 Extra and just over five million listeners were claimed for The Archers. Even if the entire tranche who listen to R4E all listened to AE, they would still be less than a quarter of those who listen to TA.
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Message 27
Posted by Paul237 (U12153576) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Surely that doesn't account for those who listen to AmEx via their computers or those that download the podcast, though?
I download the podcast myself as I don't have a DAB radio. I'm sure many others are in the same boat as me. -
Message 28
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
HtoHe, I think it is the same reason that on weekdays they frequently tell us, at seven o'clock just before the news and Archers, that we should be listening to the comedy on Radio 4 Extra. Theyare desperately trying to get people to listen to the duff tech forced upon them by the government a few years ago. It was obsolete even then and is even more so now, but they were compelled to pay for it and want to get what they can of their money's worth out of it.Â
Better if they dump DAB entirely IMHO.
Anyone know how the R4X audience splits between DAB, Radio via TV, and Internet? -
Message 29
Posted by HtoHe (U2335032) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
message 25
I liked R7 and I listen to R4Extra quite a lot, Chris; but I think what they've done with the AmEx project is at best ill-conceived and at worst devious. I was also very glad when DAB was introduced as at that time I was living in a area with poor FM reception so crystal clear R4 and, especially, R3 was a godsend before I ever experimented with R7. I still get better results with DAB than FM though I am aware of the problems with it. I don't regret buying my DAB sets but I agree with you that attempts to force other people to buy them are wrong. And splitting the Ambridge broadcasts over two different stations - whatever platform they're on - was a very bad idea in my opinion. -
Message 30
Posted by fabsupergran (U11440988) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
If tonight is anything to go by it will also be really difficult to enter into discusssions on ML if you have listened to Amex without giving anything away and spoiling it for others.
It reminds me of listening to my Grandchildren when one has a secret he or she has been told not to tell ' I know something you dont know ' -
Message 31
Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Fabbers, I tell you, it almosts seem that the editorial team actively dislike and despise their audience, and want to make the majority of them feel second-class.
Paul, the RAJAR figures have been claimed to be adjusted for people listening by other means than a dradio receiver, though how it is done I don't know. They extrapolate from a sample in the hundreds anyhow. so presumably they have some way of doing that, and they hundreds they take questionnaires from are not only those who listen using only a radio. -
Message 32
Posted by Schez (U2212013) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
I can only speak of AmEx from what I've read in ML, and it seems that stories are rather different in AmEx, for example the Amy story, whereas tonight some o f you seem to be saying that AmEx just fills in the gaps.
If there are indeed gaps that could do with filling in, why can't we have a bit less of WR taking several seconds to say "Yeah" in that dreadful breathy way, and fill those moments with a bit more actual story?
And as for "You don't NEED to know why Kate has her mind elsewhere". maybe I didn't before because it didn't mean anything to me, but now I've read that, I definitely NEED to know!. -
Message 33
Posted by Paul237 (U12153576) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Well, it doesn't seem accurate enough to me. There are too many other ways of listening to Radio 4 Extra programmes to make a truly accurate figure. Plus, I'm sure they're just using DAB stats and comparing like for like.
But all that aside, even if 25% of TA listeners were listening to AmEx, I don't see that as a reason to call AmEx a failure, or use it to back a "AmEx should be scrapped" argument. These things take time. Not everyone will make the switch in the first year.
From someone who listens to both, I can say that listening to AmEx isn't a necessity. It gives a bit of a different perspective, yes, but TA never assumes the listener has heard AmEx. TA listeners are told all pertinent info. -
Message 34
Posted by Froginasock (U14272821) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
The chances of DAB being dumped are roughly the same as vinyl displacing downloads.
Which is to say, nil. -
Message 35
Posted by cath (U2234232) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
>And as for "You don't NEED to know why Kate has her mind elsewhere". maybe I didn't before because it didn't mean anything to me, but now I've read that, I definitely NEED to know!.<
I think that if you have a computer and have ever LAed to TA then you can LA to AmEx.
The only people who are genuinely disadvantaged by AmEx on R4X are those listeners without access to DAB or a computer with a sound card. -
Message 36
Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Paul, I'm sure plenty of people listen to Radio 4 by other means than a radio apparatus. We have been told by Ms Tayler that RAJAR also accept other sorts of listenening in their figures.
I think you will find that I have not called Ambridge Extra a failure, nor used that to back the argument that Ambridge Extra is not neccessary. What I *do* say is that it is making three-quarters of the listeners to The Archers second class, in that there are people (of whom you are not one) who crow about how much they know if they chose to tell, behaving like six year olds with a secret, and making sure that the rest of us are made to know we are not in their little gang. Tedious to a degree, but difficult to be left unmoved by. -
Message 37
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
In reply to Froginasock:
The chances of DAB being dumped are roughly the same as vinyl displacing downloads.
Which is to say, nil.Â
Abandonment may be unlikely, but I think it may well be succeeded by a better system before it ever becomes universal.
Or AM/FM be allowed to continue forever. -
Message 38
Posted by fabsupergran (U11440988) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Well I certainly thought that having listened to tonights Am Ex (the first I had heard since the very first one) it gave a whole new perspective to the Phoebe situation and I think that listeners to TA SHOULD know the whole story as well.
It makes a huge difference to the take on the whole story -
Message 39
Posted by cath (U2234232) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Why? All I heard was that Feebs wants to stay on in SA to go camping with her mates (including a boy Josh is jealous of)?
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Message 40
Posted by Schez (U2212013) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Cath I dare say I could LA to AmEx if I wanted to, but to trawl through however many programmes just to find this out is really not how I want to spend my time.
As fabsupergran says, TA is and always was the main programme and if the ´óÏó´«Ã½ decide they are going to fill in gaps in the story or add things that TA listeners don't hear, I don't think that's a good idea at all. -
Message 41
Posted by Paul237 (U12153576) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Just to clarify, I didn't mean to imply that you personally had called Ambridge Extra a failure, I was speaking generally.
I think it's all about interpretation anyway. I'm sure no Ambridge Extra listeners want to come across as children, some people are just misinterpreting it.
After all, we're discussing fictional radio dramas here. It's not *that* serious. -
Message 42
Posted by cath (U2234232) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
>, TA is and always was the main programme and if the ´óÏó´«Ã½ decide they are going to fill in gaps in the story or add things that TA listeners don't hear, I don't think that's a good idea at all.<
Well I only hear what's broadcast in real time these days so I don't hear much of TA in the first place. It doesn't actually matter as I seem to be able to keep up even if I'm not at the same level as people who listen to every epi without fail. I view AmEx in the the same way. And from what I heard this evening no one's missing anything. Just more pap. -
Message 43
Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
After all, we're discussing fictional radio dramas here. It's not *that* serious.Â
Not SERIOUS! Wash your mouth out with soap Paul..
I feel though as if we've been blackmailed by the ´óÏó´«Ã½ into listening to AmEx. How can you know it is worth while unless you try it?
I DO listen and really wish they would combine the two. If it means cutting out some of the daft stereotypical stories about Grundy "scams" then so much the better
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Message 44
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Cath I dare say I could LA to AmEx if I wanted to, but to trawl through however many programmes just to find this out is really not how I want to spend my time.Â
There are only two programmes so far of the current AmEx and you can get them both on your PC NOW with a single click from the home page here
Or if that is too much trouble, here
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Message 45
Posted by bebopalula (U8847542) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
I check out TA spoilers now and then and did so tonight. I was quite mystified by what I was reading and then the penny dropped I had clicked into an Amex spoiler. It never occurred to me that there would be any AMex spoilers in there and I have to say they give far more information than TA spoilers - you can listen to TA and top up ( if you want the whole story but don't want to actually listen to Amex) by checking out Amex spoilers.
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Message 46
Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
I guess its because they don't provide a proper synopsis for AmEx .
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Message 47
Posted by bebopalula (U8847542) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
Well I think it is all getting out of hand!
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Message 48
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 8th July 2012
I DO listen and really wish they would combine the two.Â
But BunSoc that would remove the whole PURPOSE of AmEx which is clearly to drum up listeners for R4X.
And which presumably comes with some R4X budget. -
Message 49
Posted by Lilians twin (U4487710) on Monday, 9th July 2012
Podcast both TA & AMEX here. Was anti AMEX in the beginning but now wish it was on every day. Maybe that's because TV is such rubbish nowadays that the highlight of the week is yet another repeat of Dad's Army leaving TA & AMEX as more or less my only form of entertainment. How sad is that?
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Message 50
Posted by Rose Sal Volatile Parade (U4705648) on Monday, 9th July 2012
There's a lot of good stuff on TV. The Big Bang Theory is on every day like Friends used to be and it's great. Try that instead of AmEX - it's funny and witty and sharp and fast-moving and well acted in spades. Wallander was fab last night. Family Guy is usually there somewhere. Episodes has been excellent this season.
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