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  Posted by martine (U2324011) on Thursday, 27th October 2005

  Has anyone followed this fascinating story about a White House leak re a CIA covert operative whose husband had been critical of the Bush administration's claims?
  
  We are in Grisham territory here. I have just read with special interest in the NY Times this decription of the grand jury:
  "Like the jury's forewoman, the majority are African American women who appear to be middle-age or older. The jury includes at least two black men, two older white women and three white men. One trim, agile retiree with white hair often entered the grand jury room with his bicycle helmet in hand."
  Trim and agile, that's the ticket.
  
  The article goes on to say the grand jury members are now well versed in the fine points of the case. At $40 a day, how is that for continuing education? I would have loved to take part.
  

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  Posted by martine (U2324011) on Thursday, 27th October 2005

  Please disregard.

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  Posted by BasiainBrooklyn (U505001) on Thursday, 27th October 2005

  Martine,OH and I have been following this with great interest.The NY Times journalist who went to prison for refusing to reveal her sources over the leak has spoken to the press on several occasions and is now using her prominence to lobby for protection for journalists over this sort of thing.She's quite the hero at the moment.
  
  Have you read any of her statements?Fascinating developments.
  
  Basia

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  Posted by garyp (U1645080) on Thursday, 27th October 2005

  
  
  Trim and agile, that's the ticket.
  
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  Martine - just for a minute there I thought Terry Wogan was in the jury...silly me

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  Posted by martine (U2324011) on Thursday, 27th October 2005

  I have read many critical accounts of Judith Miller's extraordinary actions.
  I devoutly hope to see some indictments, even low-level would be better than nothing. Rove would make my day. And then if the slimy MP does get charged with perjury, I will dance in the streets.
  A girl can hope.

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  Posted by Morty Vicar (U2258253) on Thursday, 27th October 2005

  Indictments or not, I see it going the same way as Iran-Contras and so on: 1 or 2 minions may be caught, nothing will lead to the President, the minions might get some mild punishment which will be remitted a few months later, and the effect on public policy and on the next elections will be nil.
  
  A trial might provide some entertainment, but that's the best we can hope for.
  
  I wish it were otherwise, but there we are.
  
  While we are on US politics, it doesn't merit its own thread, but: The back of my envelope suggests that deaths of Americans in Iraq (invasion + subsequently) will equal those in "9/11" some time this year - perhaps before, perhaps after the Oct. elections. Is anyone over there taking note of that, and drawing conclusions?
  
  

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  Posted by Bleak_Midwinter_Squirrel_Nutcase (U2248205) on Thursday, 27th October 2005

  #6, Morty Vicar
  
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  I just wonder. In the cases of Nixon and Clinton, on different scales, determined search, backed by good techie stuff, eventually led to the presidential office door. Communications records, though baffling to the amateur, are more profuse for the professionals to dig into these days.
  
  I live in hope. $Qxx

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  Posted by alanis (U2256129) on Thursday, 27th October 2005

  The NY Times journalist who went to prison for refusing to reveal her sources over the leak is quite the hero at the moment.
  BasiaÌý
  
  Basia, I got the distinct impression that she made some catastrophic mistakes in judgment, probably influenced by her close connections to the Bush administration (some have also hinted at an affair between her and Scooter Libby, though that may well be untrue).
  
  Going to jail for the summer, then suddenly 'realizing' that she *could* name her sources, for reasons which have not be revealed, seems to me to be an attempt to portray herself as a victim. After all, she wasn't protecting some lowly civil servant from being fired for revealing corruption, though she did describe Karl Rove as an anonymous ex-Capitol-Hill staffer, to make it look like that!
  
  She let herself be used as the mouthpiece of the administration to try to destroy the reputation of a bothersome critic (Wilson, Plame's husband), so that the White House could be seen not to be involved.

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  Posted by E Yore (U1479700) on Thursday, 27th October 2005

  Reply to Morty Vicar #6
  
  Morty, it doesn't need to lead to the Oval Office; there will be enough long-term damage if Fitzgerald can nail the Veep's office. Bush is the straw man front to Cheney's Machiavelli. If Cheney is irredeemably weakened, then there is every chance Bush will be abandoned by the money-men.

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  Posted by martine (U2324011) on Friday, 28th October 2005

  Fri, October 28th, 2005, 07.34 CET
  
  Totally agree mauricette.
  I am happy too that the noose seems to be tightening on the Slimy One. No names, but he knows who he is.

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  Posted by Low Flyer (U2221553) on Friday, 28th October 2005

  Can I just ask a question here? (well, I just did, but you know what I mean). This scandal, if that's what it is, is very unlikely to lead to Dubya being removed from office is it?
  
  If that is so, and given that he can't be reelected anyway, we'll still be stuck with the man and his policies. Now, I'm all for exposing his corruption, and I will cheer for that, but it won't actually make any difference in practical terms.
  
  Or will it?
  
  Thanks
  LF

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  Posted by martine (U2324011) on Friday, 28th October 2005

  Fri, October 28th, 2005 08.08 CET
  Morning LF. Oh the joy of seeing hubris brought low, I suppose. Also, the poetic justice of it all: being indicted for leaking the identity of a CIA operative will obviously not sit well with patriotic voters.
  Wiping that smirk off Cheney's face would be a treat too.
  
  

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  Posted by martine (U2324011) on Friday, 28th October 2005

  Fri, October 28th 2005, 08.20 CET
  According to the Drudge Report, Rove will not be indicted, only Libby will.

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