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Unspeakable words (nothing to do with yesterday)

• Message 1. 

  Posted by Lady Macbeϯh - not without mustard (U550479) on Thursday, 3rd November 2005

  Thu, 03 Nov 2005 23:01:14 GMT
  
  Why is it considered acceptable for an adult in authority to be subjected to words and phrases which would be redded and get me banned from these boards when the adult is a teacher and the perpetrator a 13-year-old?
  Don't tell me it's not. It's happened to me twice in the last 24 hours.

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  Posted by Vicky S (U2258400) on Thursday, 3rd November 2005

  Tell me about it Lady B (thought you were a queen btw). We had to exclude two Y6 children yesterday, for pissing against the radiators in the boys lavs giggling "Now everyone will think the radiator's leaking."
  
  Parental response?
  
  Well, not horror, embarrasment,anger, apology, offer of recompense to the cleaning staff, or any of the responses normal parents might make..
  
  Oh no.
  
  
  
  a) we know our rights set work for them
  
  and b) what exactly did HT say to them/how did he respond to the incident (this after they marched into his office un-announced, without even having the courtesy to knock at the door.
  
  
  
  Both families well educated, middle class professionals.
  
  Here , have a skip of this soothing night time cocktail concoction I've just invented called NUT-another-windy-day. A brandy base with a touch white rum and a sprinkling of horlicks.
  
  
  Cheers.
  
  In answer to your question your nasty child probably has ineffective parents too.

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  Posted by Lady Macbeϯh - not without mustard (U550479) on Thursday, 3rd November 2005

  Thu, 03 Nov 2005 23:25:16 GMT, In reply to: VickyS [
  
  'Children' various but all male.
  The only repeatable thing is the boy who thought that Shakespeare probably left all his money to his daughter because he was sleeping with her. (Child is 12).
  
  Thanks for the skip - much appreciated. (STOP IT, worat - you have your very own (_) to swim around in!)
  [PS - crown didn't suit me. I'm a lady!]

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  Posted by Gwenhwyfar (U1481921) on Friday, 4th November 2005

  Some 12 years ago we contacted the father of a 9 year old who had been demolishing the shrubbery (after hours) with a hatchet. Dad's response? "It was only a little hatchet."
  
  A couple of months ago I saw that the "boy" had been in court for being in possession of an offensive weapon. I swear I could hear Dad telling the court "It was only a little offensive weapon." Gwen (Glad to be out of it!)

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  Posted by Dragonfly (U2223700) on Friday, 4th November 2005

  Vicky, Lady M, Gwen, all other teachers - how on earth do you put up with it? Nobody, but nobody, should be able to use aggression (and swearing at another person is aggression in my opinion) to intimidate another person and get away with it. Why don't all schools have zero tolerance of swearing, aggression towards other children and staff, vandalism etc? One offence and you're out of the classroom and into a sin bin or something like that, so the well-behaved children can get on with their work interrupted.
  
  Could it possibly be that it would require enormous amounts of money to do it properly, as there would have to be lots of extra staff to deal with the offenders?
  
  Vicky, I'm not at all surprised that your offenders' parents were professional people. I've mentioned here before my astonishment some years ago when I heard that a parent of my acquaintance (admittedly a woman whose brain cell is permanently AWOL, in my opinion) had gone into school to complain that her 8 y/o daughter was upset because she wasn't allowed to sit beside her friend. The teacher explained that the two girls talked constantly if allowed to sit together, and had been warned that they would be separated if they didn't stop, but the mother still felt that it was more important that they weren't upset. The mother is herself a teacher! Goodness knows how she keeps order in the classroom.
  
  Another professional person I know went to a parents' meeting on the new behaviour and discipline policy being introduced at school and complained that one sanction (the lowest rung on the ladder) would damage children's self-esteem: this appalling punishment consisted of the child's name being written on the board if they persistently misbehaved, after repeated warnings!
  
  It really irritates me when parents take a pick'n'mix approach to school rules. In my experience a great many middle class people are very keen to get their children into schools where they feel behaviour is reasonably good but don't seem able to work out that getting good behaviour in school depends on having parents backing the school up at every turn - obviously not when the school is clearly at fault, but on everyday matters like getting their children to leave for school in good time, making it crystal clear to their children that they will be in trouble at home as well as at school if they are rude to staff and so on - yes, explain why, but essentially rules are rules and if a child/teenager doesn't accept the validity of a rule, tough! Let him argue about it through the School Council, let his parents write to the governors, but in the mean time he should obey it.
  
  Gosh, an early morning rant - that's set me up for the day.

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