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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by sesley (U4024157) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
I think dog owners should be made more responsible for their pets and if they do allow them to attack other animals and people they should be made to be more accountable,but i think they should bring back the dog licence.You have to have licence to keep wild animals like pet tigers,so its logical to extend this to dog owners.
whats awful about reading the bbc report is sometimes guide dogs get attacked which is just irresponsible and abusive to the guide dog and the person it is looking after .Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 2
Posted by JB on a slippery slope to the thin end ofdabiscuit (U13805036) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
They should all be microchipped, neutered, muzzeld and kept on a lead.
I also think something should be done about their pets.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 3
Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
Owning any dog over a certain size large enough to injure you is a staistical game of russian roulette.
They are domesticated wolves and have the potential to unpredictably revert to type.
Obviously only a very small number will do this, but the problem is no-one knows which ones will for sure until it's too late.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 4
Posted by Riviera Glass (U2252689) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
Yes, microchipped connected to a valid licence, and all dogs weighing 5 kilos or over should be muzzled anywhere in public places. Producing all those muzzles of different designs could be a nice small business for someone.
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Message 5
Posted by Mrs PPG (U14114383) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
I fully support dog owners being fully accountable for their dogs.
Stories like this make me so angry and so sad. It is the owner's fault if the dog is out of control and if the dog has been trained to be aggressive.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 6
Posted by Capn Jack Mcferret (U8917649) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
If someone has a Staffi with a studded collar or similar wolf in dogs clothing called Tyson, Ripper, Rambo etc.. they should both be put in a cage with a couple of cats.
Preferably Tigers.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 7
Posted by oldbloke2 (U2285767) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
In Germany there is a dog tax set by the local authority. Where I live the tax for breeds classed as dangerous is around 700 euros a year. For normal dogs it's about 150. If you have more than one dog it inceases per dog.
Dangerous breeds which serve no social purpose should be allowed to simply become extinct or bred solely for those social purposes. Or kept in captivity like other dangerous animals.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 8
Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
Why would anyone allow an animal big and powerful enough to harm them roam free in their own home?
It's asking for trouble one day.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 9
Posted by fancylunnunways (U14315137) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
If only any of this would make the slightest difference - the worst owners are unlikely to be dealt with, meanwhile the endless mess and racket of barking and yapping continues unabated.
And dont get me started on the owners who say "he wont hurt you" - er, yes, he might, it happened to me, twice, when i was a child. One of the dogs was owned by a policemen. No doubt it was all my own fault (!!!!) but it has left me with an abiding mistrust of all dogs.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 10
Posted by fairy hedgehog (U1485678) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
> a Staffi with a studded collar or similar wolf in dogs clothing called Tyson <
A family visited the pub on Saturday and they brought their Staffie. Studded collar, a lead that was mostly a big chain, and its name is Tyson.
It seemed to be a softy, being cuddled a lot by the children, and happy to be patted by customers at the bar. It made me wonder what impression the owner's thought they were giving with the collar and the name.
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Message 11
Posted by Mrs PPG (U14114383) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
There are some idiotic dog owners around sadly fh. Staffies have an undeserved reputation I think. My parents-in-law have one and he is a big softie as well.
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Message 12
Posted by Shirley Knott (U14164156) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
5 attacks on me and my two daughters over 20 years.
No staffies.
1 Labrador
2 Weimeraners (seperately)
1 non-specific terrier type
1 Dalmatian
Actually, all were what seemed to be normal pets - certainly the owners didn't seem to be the stereotypical thug type. (Well not at first!)
Any dog can attack a human or another dog.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 13
Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
It seemed to be a softy, being cuddled a lot by the children, and happy to be patted by customers at the bar...
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I'm quite sure some dogs will do this right up to the moment they go berserk and maul a child.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 14
Posted by Boneman (U14746456) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
The article is lamentable. The Dangerous Dogs Act has been with us since 1991 and.... the authorities are just having the default as a custodial sentence and destruction of the dog.
Meanwhile attacks and bites have doubled..... so fiddling while Rome burns even once legislation is in place.
The whole starting place seems wrong. As someone said, licences, chips, more costly for bigger breeds. Germany again seems to have some sense of civic responsibility.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 15
Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
I'm glad that no-one has popped up to accuse your daughter of causing these attacks Shirley.
But the thread is sadly still young. : (Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 16
Posted by Penstemon (U4429639) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
They should all be microchipped, neutered, muzzeld and kept on a lead.
I also think something should be done about their pets.
Ìý I would add... never let out of their own gardens, to that one then we'd all be safe.
OR.. an enornous tax/licence which would fund an army of dog wardens making sure that the parks, pavements etc were kept clean and the rest of us safe to go about our business.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 17
Posted by Shirley Knott (U14164156) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
The article is lamentable. The Dangerous Dogs Act has been with us since 1991 and.... the authorities are just having the default as a custodial sentence and destruction of the dog.
Meanwhile attacks and bites have doubled..... so fiddling while Rome burns even once legislation is in place.
The whole starting place seems wrong. As someone said, licences, chips, more costly for bigger breeds. Germany again seems to have some sense of civic responsibility.Ìý Could it be that those in charge of policy making are dog owners?
We certainly seem to have a lot of dogs in this country. And quite a few owners who think their dog's rights come above mine.
I was memorably told this by the owner of the Dalmatian that pinned my two-year old daughter face down on a beach. Her dog had as much right to be there as my daughter did.
It seems those in power are quick to see the danger in certain types of dogs - and bring in knee-jerk laws to show us how they mean business.
Perhaps it's never occurred to them that their dear old retriever or labrador is just as capable of turning.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 18
Posted by mummyfoo (U9651297) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
Can also add that a massive fine be imposed on idiots who go out all day/night and leave their dogs barking all the time they are out?
We have a neighbour who does exactly this and it drives us mad.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 19
Posted by Penstemon (U4429639) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
Unfortunately shirley, F_K is right, someone will be along in a minute to blame you and/or your child for the attack and will no doubt agree with the dalmations owner.
There are many people around these parts who think pets have as many rights as humans and certainly more 'rights' than children to play freely.. you mark my words they'll be here soon.
I hope your daughter wasn't too badly traumatised Shirley. My son was attacked by a dog when he was about 7 and is still quite nervous around them now.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 20
Posted by Mrs PPG (U14114383) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
Sounds like you and fat_kid want someone to say that.
A responsible dog owner would never say such a thing. That is not to say that irresponsible dog owners don't exist - sadly they do. That's why I, and other responsible dog owners, would support any legislation which protects people and (sorry) dogs from owners who are cruel as well as irresponsible.
I thought you found comparisons with children and dogs odious yet you are the person who has made the comparison?Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 21
Posted by Shirley Knott (U14164156) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
Unfortunately shirley, F_K is right, someone will be along in a minute to blame you and/or your child for the attack and will no doubt agree with the dalmations owner.
There are many people around these parts who think pets have as many rights as humans and certainly more 'rights' than children to play freely.. you mark my words they'll be here soon.
I hope your daughter wasn't too badly traumatised Shirley. My son was attacked by a dog when he was about 7 and is still quite nervous around them now.
Ìý Yup, sausages. I've brought this up on here before and got short shrift. You'd think I'd learn my lesson, wouldn't you? ; - )
I don't mind anyone having a dog, really I don 't. I can see how some are invaluable as companions, guide dogs, even just as a well loved pet.
But after the trauma we've been through - I don't trust any owner, let alone any dog. I never make eye contact with any dog. I've been told this is a total over-reaction. Maybe. I'll live with that.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 22
Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
I've seen it said many many times before.
Even calls for children to be specially trained in dealing with unknown dogs.
Along with the cries of 'It's the owners who are to blame, we need to do something about them that doesn't affect responsible dog owners like me'
Seems to me that every dog owner thinks they are responsible right up until the moment their dog attacks someone, and if this happens they then seek to blame the victim.
Or society?
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Message 23
Posted by Penstemon (U4429639) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
See told you so.... lol... off back to work now..
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Message 24
Posted by sherisgirl (U1687779) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
Its a shame that the Staffis have got a reputation, I personally havent had much contact with the breed, but I do know they were known as the Nanny dog at 1 time, as they were so patient and good with kids.
Ive got 2 Labs, but would never leave them alone with any of my grandchildren, and to us they are as soft as soft, but in reality they are animals I dont care how well they are trained every single breed of dog can turn a some stage.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 25
Posted by Mrs PPG (U14114383) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
Any point in mentioning the fact that no-one has said what you are so desperate that they say or do you all just want to carry on the let's hate dogfest?
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Message 26
Posted by Constance (U14594138) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
Just tagging on.
Any dog can be dangerous. The 1991 DDA says (section 3) 'dangerously out of control in a public place'. The larger the dog, the more damage, generally speaking. Although a dog with a large jaw and bred to hold on will do most damage. Even a small Jack Russell can make a real mess of another dog or a person. As always, this is about educating and training people.
As a professional dog person, I'm sick and tired of irresponsible owners and people who make excuses for their dogs' 'bad' behaviour. If it hasn't been taught to walk nicely on a lead, meet other dogs only on command and ignore other dogs/people when commanded, then it won't know it has to behave in a particular fashion and will do what its nature dictates.
When I walk out with up to 4 dogs, always on leads and always beside me, I lose count of the people who want to let their dogs rush up without asking and / or want to stroke the dogs. I try not to allow either. I get funny looks and sometimes into arguments about the myth of 'socialisation'. Which is taken by a lot of dog owners as being they can let their dog run up to anyone or any dog - wrong!
It really isn't difficult to have a well behaved dog - it isn't rocket science and takes discipline - of the people. My 3.5 month old pup, who I have had for 2 weeks, now knows to sit if she wants a fuss. I haven't made her or even said the word. I just ignore her (and any other client dog) until they sit when they get a calm fuss. They soon learn what is required.
If only people were as easy.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 27
Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
Any point in mentioning the fact that no-one has said what you are so desperate that they say...Ìý
Not yet PPG, not yet...Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 28
Posted by Mrs PPG (U14114383) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
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Message 29
Posted by fairy hedgehog (U1485678) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
> haven't had much contact <
I helped my OH fight two of them off when one bit and held on to the back of one our golden retriver's neck. When they attack they are terrifying because they don't let go. When a GSD leapt over a wall to bite us, it bit and let go, so was easier to frighten off.
I love dogs, but I don't like untrained unsociable ones. There's a countryside range we sometimes see who always has his Staffie with him and that dog is a complete sweetie.
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Message 30
Posted by Davey Watts (U15237982) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
I've never owned a dog and can't really see the attraction. Some, not all, of the owners houses have that "dog" aroma about them. They, the dog not the owners, produce twice as much waste than they eat.
Do dogs just bark at night in a way that cannot be heard by their owners?Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 31
Posted by Shirley Knott (U14164156) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
As a professional dog person, I'm sick and tired of irresponsible owners and people who make excuses for their dogs' 'bad' behaviour. If it hasn't been taught to walk nicely on a lead, meet other dogs only on command and ignore other dogs/people when commanded, then it won't know it has to behave in a particular fashion and will do what its nature dictates.
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That's just it though Constance - they don't have to.
Anyone can go to a puppy breeder or pet shop or whatever and get a dog.
Honestly - all the incidents we suffered were what seemed to be normal family dogs. No vicious breeds badly trained.
One incident - a labrador - jumped up onto my baby daughter's pram and bit her hand. I hit the dog on the nose and next thing I knew I was whacked across the back by an old lady with a walking stick. Now I'm sure most of the time this dog was ok. Not that time though!
I just wish owners would realise that their choice to have dog - of whaever kind - impacts on me and anyone else who doesn't like dogs, doesn't want to be sniffed around or licked.
And I just wish people wouldn't think that it's only banned breeds that are the problem.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 32
Posted by sthilda (U3612164) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
Agree sherisgirl...
I think dogs do have to be controlled, my dog is quite small,she loves human attention but can be unpredictable with other dogs...starting out playful but then she is a bit like an over excited child, she has that kind of too high energy, which she can find overwhelming or sometimes other dogs do, so i strictly control her, no matter how firendly or playful the other dog....
When i had a rescue german shepherd i controlled her around kids as she had been abused, and whilst she was not aggressive, fear can result in biting...howver adults did not control their kids, even tho if she was off the lead, i would call her to me and put her on the lead, quite small kids were allowed to run right up to her, sometimes waving sticks ( they were not intending to hit or i would have done some yelling of no!) but it does seem to me a lot of kids are not taught how to behave around a dog...some are , and i always coooperate with parents when they are teaching a child about being gentle, careful etc when approaching a dog they dont know.
.its not the childs fault if they are bitten, Its the dog owners responsibility and in the above scenario i describe some responsibility of the parents...Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 33
Posted by Mrs PPG (U14114383) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
Its the dog owners responsibility and in the above scenario i describe some responsibility of the parents...Ìý
Oh it's never ever their fault sthilda. Perish the thought!
What's the better the first part of your sentance will be completely ignored?Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 34
Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
You're bang on the money Shirl. The attack instinct is a fundamental part of a dog's psyche, even if it is well masked by domestication.
The only point I'd make about bigger and more powerful dogs is that they are physically able to inflict more serious injury when they attack.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 35
Posted by Davey Watts (U15237982) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
With all due respect STHilda if you knew the dog was unpredictable why did you let it go near children. Not being argumentative I just generally would like to know.
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Message 36
Posted by sthilda (U3612164) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
Its the dog owners responsibility and in the above scenario i describe some responsibility of the parents...Ìý
Oh it's never ever their fault sthilda. Perish the thought!
What's the better the first part of your sentance will be completely ignored?
Ìý I dont have money to waste mrs ppg?..its 'bash dogs 'day dontcha know...no doubt 'aww look at that wonderful helpful cute dog 'day will follow at some point...posibly interspersed with 'shoot cats' cat....Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 37
Posted by Mrs PPG (U14114383) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
Lol, I think you're right. There's certainly been a lot of reading with one eye covered here and completely ignoring what people have said in the eagerness to hate all dogs. Bit sad really.
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Message 38
Posted by sweetFeet (U14377598) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
All dog owners should be held totally responsible for their pet's behaviour.
Nonsense to think otherwise.
I have a small (fits under my arm like a handbag) dog. She's 18 now but going strong.
It amazes me when parents tell their tots to "go and say hello to the little dog".
Now in all the 18 years I've had her she's never bitten anyone and appears to love kids.....but they don't know that.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 39
Posted by sthilda (U3612164) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
Did you read the post ...or just make up your own scenario to suit?
Children were allowed to run up to my dog, waving sticks in the dogs face, even tho on seeing the kids i had called her back to me and put her on a lead...she had never bitten anyone, however ,as she had been abused by people, i always put her on a lead near small kids, bigger people she would loop around to avoid them but i considered small kids too unpredictable...especially as their parents took no responsibility for them...on what planet is it acceptable to wave a stick in a strange dogs face?Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 40
Posted by Mrs PPG (U14114383) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
Planet Stupid.
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Message 41
Posted by Davey Watts (U15237982) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
OK no need for the sarcy comments.
"on what planet is it acceptable to wave a stick in a strange dogs face?"
The same planet that the onwer knows the dog is unpredictable and yet takes them where there are children about I suppose.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 42
Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
Sthilda the fact is that dog owners like your good self are responsible for the actions of your animals, yet you are never going to be in full control of them no matter how much you like to think otherwise.
You seemed to be getting close to blaming the children in your post and you certainly seemed to think the parents were at fault.
You also mentioned the idea of training children to deal with strange dogs.
It is my view that the onus should be on all dog owners to control their dogs in whatever manner they have to in order to prevent injury to people and that is all there is to it.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 43
Posted by Mrs PPG (U14114383) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
It is my view that the onus should be on all dog owners to control their dogs in whatever manner they have to in order to prevent injury to people and that is all there is to it.Ìý
Funnily enough that's what sthilda said as well.
In your eagerness to display your hatred of dogs, you seem to be missing the fact that no-one has said dog owners are not responsible for their dog's behaviour. I suggest you go back and carefully read everyone's posts.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 44
Posted by mummyfoo (U9651297) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
Well, you clearly had a potentially dangerous dog - a rescue GS - in a public place, off the lead.
As someone who has been at the other end of a GS attack, in a public place, I like many others, feel that dogs ought to be kept on leads at all times where the unwitting may dare to play or stroll.
I fear the tide is turning already, f_k.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 45
Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
It is my view that the onus should be on all dog owners to control their dogs in whatever manner they have to in order to prevent injury to people and that is all there is to it.Ìý
Funnily enough that's what sthilda said as well.
In your eagerness to display your hatred of dogs, you seem to be missing the fact that no-one has said dog owners are not responsible for their dog's behaviour. I suggest you go back and carefully read everyone's posts.Ìý The shift in emphasis away from the out of control behaviour of the dog on to the behaviour of the children is quite obvious.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 46
Posted by sesley (U4024157) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
I have never encouraged my children to approach dogs, i worked in a veterinaty practice and i know, how unpredicable dogs can be. However when walking in our local forest, often dogs are loose and when they bound up to us, i am often will my youngest and get him to be still and not touch it and wait for the owner to take control of it,but even then you hope it will not suddenly turn,but often the dogs body language is one of having fun and playing and not aggessive,so we have never really had any problems.
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Message 47
Posted by oldbloke2 (U2285767) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
In Germany there are just over 20 breeds in total on the dangerous dogs list. Some regions distinguish between definitely and assumed dangerous. The classifications vary from region to region, as do the restrictions and regulations on keeping them.
A lot of dog owners attend courses with their dog to ensure they can look after it properly and that it does what it is told. I don't think the courses are compulsory but maybe attendance influences the costs of insurance. Some are members of clubs. I hate dogs that take any interest in me whatsoever and always tell the owners to keep their dogs well away from me. Friends with dogs know and accept this.
My sister in the UK breeds dogs very successfully and when I visit I always go with her when she exercises them. But they just ignore me, which is fine. She also makes quite a bit of money from them. .
Where I live any close neighbours who wanted to keep a dog would need my and the other tenants' permission. Under no circumstances would I give it. Just unnecessary hassle. The nearest dog seems to live about a 100 yards away but I stil hear it yapping sometimes. There's some regulation about dogs that bark a lot I think, but I can't recall what it is.
While there should be punishments for owenrs of dogs which misbehave, prevention should be the main priority, rather than mere deterent, IMHO.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 48
Posted by sthilda (U3612164) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
It is my view that the onus should be on all dog owners to control their dogs in whatever manner they have to in order to prevent injury to people and that is all there is to it.Ìý
Funnily enough that's what sthilda said as well.
In your eagerness to display your hatred of dogs, you seem to be missing the fact that no-one has said dog owners are not responsible for their dog's behaviour. I suggest you go back and carefully read everyone's posts.Ìý The shift in emphasis away from the out of control behaviour of the dog on to the behaviour of the children is quite obvious.Ìý The shift is toward expecting parents to control ie be responsible for their kids. A novel thought i know, but when i was young ,it was quite normal to encounter dogs out and about on their own...i was taught to be cautious around dogs i didnt know...
That is not taking away any responsibility from dog owners, simply sayingthat parents outwith their small children have responsibility to stop their kids running at dogs and waving sticks at them..esp when the kid is too young to understand it for themselves...
Btw i did not say my dog was unpredictable, i took precautions because she was a rescue, its a shame those parents did not also consider their child.Link to this forum: owners of dangerous dogs could go to jail
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Message 49
Posted by Mrs PPG (U14114383) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
Some people have very odd, and inappropriate, ideas of what constitutes normal parental behaviour towards their own children and other people's children. It makes the pontification about dog owners wildly ironic!
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Message 50
Posted by sesley (U4024157) on Tuesday, 15th May 2012
a child is more important than a dog and it is up to dog owners to be responsible for their dog out and about and for parents not be worried that the dog may attack .
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