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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by San Fairy Anne (U14257911) on Tuesday, 15th January 2013
with my postprandial sit down and espresso, but one thing puzzles me how come Father Brown is apparently has the charge of an /old/ church in a village?
AFAIK after the Reformation when all the Parish Churches became ( for want of a better word)
C of E, eventually after some time the Catholic congregations all had to build themselves new churches and cathedrals.
Not being from either tradition I'm curious. ³§¹ó´¡²Ô²Ô±ðâ„¢ -
Message 2
Posted by eilis (U15195380) on Tuesday, 15th January 2013
I wondered that too, SFA. There would have been communion rails etc as well.
I'm enjoying it but he's not Chesterton's Father Brown and there are loads of things wrong. His vestments look too modern and we've seen bare arms and heads in church. Oh no!
It's a while since I read the stories but I don't remember him being in a parish much, usually travelling here and there. I wonder is Flambeau going to turn up. -
Message 3
Posted by Peneli (U14304799) on Tuesday, 15th January 2013
Not the only thing wrong - the first story was almost completely rewritten - I've read it on line, and seen a Youtube clip of Kenneth More and the vicar on the church tower. Filling out the character of the brother was perhaps justifiable. Removing the character of the blacksmith's backward brother perhaps sensibly PC. Adding a reason for the wife's unfaithfulness was appropriate. But adding one particular relationship of the vicar's brother as the cause of the killing, and Father Brown's generous and un-Catholic attitude to it was a bit odd to say the least.
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Message 4
Posted by San Fairy Anne (U14257911) on Tuesday, 15th January 2013
Can't say I mind the rewriting as although I must have heard radio versions in the distant past I know I have not read them or seen the film you mention.
It almost seemed to be the same church the CofE priest was Vicar of!
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Message 5
Posted by JudithL (U14272244) on Tuesday, 15th January 2013
I haven't seen the Father Brown stories, but the point about the churches used is a valid one.
In a story featuring a Roman Catholic cleric, the church used is usually Anglican. Yes, they're often quite picturesque - especially the ones in "Morse" and "Lewis" and "Midsomer Murders", but they're not RC - no way.
Apart from the Slipper Chapel in Walsingham, I can't think of any other medieval RC churches in England. 19th century, at best, most of the ones that I've been inside. Some nice modern ones too, but not in traditional English villages of the kind which TV directors seem to love so. -
Message 6
Posted by Poorgrass (U12099742) on Tuesday, 15th January 2013
The neighboring RC parish to mine has an old-style church - they bought it off the Church of England which no longer had a use for it. I know a few Catholic parishes have done this. Buying it was a big mistake in my opinion, those old churches are cold and ruinously expensive to maintain as they have found to their cost. It would've been much cheaper in the long run to have built a small modern church, once the cost of heating and upkeep have been taken into account.
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Message 7
Posted by bob larkin (U2297537) on Tuesday, 15th January 2013
I too was surpised about the churches.
From blurb I understand that the series is set in the Cotswolds. In the first episode there seemed to be two old churches sort of co-existing with a priest and a vicar. They seemed to be almost of equal status, if anything the RC one was the one with the larger congregation.
IRL I would have thought that the C of E one was establishment with the RC for adherents of the "old religion" and incomers.
Also I was a bit puzzled by the period. Chesterton died before the war which gives some idea of the period. Yet I got the impression that the series is set in the 50s (or possibly late 40s). Not that this really matters of course.
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Message 8
Posted by maggiechow- chained to the railings (U6630370) on Tuesday, 15th January 2013
I believe they were written before the First World War. But a lot of older period books have been brought nearer modern times, such as Sherlock Holmes and Miss Marple.
It does seem strange about the church, the village I grew up in only built a RC church in the 60s. -
Message 9
Posted by Poorgrass (U12099742) on Tuesday, 15th January 2013
>They seemed to be almost of equal status, if anything the RC one was the one with the larger congregation.<
Round where I live is usually the RC church that has a much higher congregation than the Anglican one, in spite of it being one of the most traditionally Protestant areas of the country. But I cannot think of a single RC Church set in a village in this area, they are all in the towns. In that way the Father Brown church on the TV adaptation was unusual. -
Message 10
Posted by San Fairy Anne (U14257911) on Tuesday, 15th January 2013
But I cannot think of a single RC Church set in a village in this area, they are all in the towns. In that way the Father Brown church on the TV adaptation was unusual.Ìý
In the (admittedly big) village about 3 miles from town there is the old ( pre 15thC) church with a tiny Village Green, some Alms houses and an Eleanor Cross at one end, and the red brick Catholic church at the other end. Half way between them is a Methodist Chapel and the Quaker Meeting House attached to a school. On Remembrance Sunday the Band and old soldiers etc would process from the RC to the Cof E and they always stopped playing as they went past the MH so all we heard were the feet.
The RC church has been closed in the last couple of years and the building sold and I suppose the congregation has to come into town. ³§¹ó´¡²Ô²Ô±ðâ„¢ -
Message 11
Posted by eilis (U15195380) on Tuesday, 15th January 2013
My uncle, who was a priest in the Salford diocese, is buried at the Catholic Church in Ribchester. Not medieval, of course, but an 18th century barn church in the most beautiful setting. We visit it every time we're travelling up and down the M6:
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Message 12
Posted by Poorgrass (U12099742) on Wednesday, 16th January 2013
I'm quite enjoying the series so far. Mark Williams is a good Fr. B. I think the most unrealistic thing is the body count in such a small village and surrounding area - same problem as Midsomer, but a willful suspension of disbelief is necessary.
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Message 13
Posted by La Bez (U14670366) on Wednesday, 16th January 2013
The Catholic primary school that I went to in Co Durham was in a very small village - Esh Laude. There were two churches in the parish. A larger modern one down in Langley Park and the older one up in Esh village. I've just done a bit of googling as I knew the church was quite old, and it seems that both it and the convent, attatched to the school, date from the late 1700's. According to this link the church dates from 1798
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Message 14
Posted by San Fairy Anne (U14257911) on Wednesday, 16th January 2013
The Catholic primary school that I went to in Co Durham was in a very small village - Esh Laude. There were two churches in the parish. A larger modern one down in Langley Park and the older one up in Esh village. I've just done a bit of googling as I knew the church was quite old, and it seems that both it and the convent, attatched to the school, date from the late 1700's. According to this link the church dates from 1798Ìý
Oh! I know that area a bit. We lived briefly at Lanchester (until we realised that things were a bit dodgy in and around the Education department). Oberon taught the boys at Ushaw how to build fibreglass canoes along side his pupils from Wolsingham as they had a spare room.
I was thinking of churches which were built before 1540ish and the dissolution of the Monasteries. After all there are by definition no Quaker Meeting Houses built before 1675 yet some of the ones built in the last quarter of that century look really old.
I know that not all Catholic churches are redbrick boxes in this country. But compared to parish churches in France they are new. Where we lived in the Cher the church was 13C. ³§¹ó´¡²Ô²Ô±ðâ„¢ -
Message 15
Posted by Kate McLaren etc (U2202067) on Thursday, 17th January 2013
AAAAARGHHHH!!!!
Ahem, excuse me.
Why have Father Brown speaking a psalm in Latin over the grave if the actor can't get it right? That psalm, in Latin, was in every Catholic's bones until about 1965, and in every Catholic priest's bones until a lot later. There is no way Father Brown would even have had to read it from a book, and most certainly no way he would have made the slightest slip. And there was mistake after mistake, and the Latin was pronounced half-church, half-academic, as no Catholic would ever have done. It's different now, of course, but in the 1950s no, no, no, a thousand times no. How is it that the ´óÏó´«Ã½ (or the producer or whatever) can't get something so basic right? -
Message 16
Posted by dean volecape (U1477030) on Thursday, 17th January 2013
That sounds a bit like a bizarre crime serial on R4xtra last year - cod-Irish accents, very unconvincing 'Latin' from sundry clerics, and a priest who kept asking people to call him 'Brother'. I expected that to be a clue to his being bogus, but no - the scriptwriter seemed to imagine this was some sort of holiness indicator. Most odd.
As to the buildings, I was sorry to see the same error made in Stella Days when I watched the DVD last week. The film was made in Fethard in South Tipperary, and although the church interior shots used a Catholic church, the exteriors all used the medieval C of I church and graveyard. All wrong, particularly when telling a story where a driving factor was a 'need' to replace the early 19th c church with a modern building. -
Message 17
Posted by eilis (U15195380) on Thursday, 17th January 2013
Hi, dean, haven't seen you around for a while.
That would be Baldi, I think? The original scripts were by Barry Devlin but all sorts of people were involved later who didn't seem to know their Fathers from their Brothers. Like Kate, (hello, you) I found so much wrong but I suppose that's what you have to expect.
As you know, dean, at least the places I'm aware of rural Catholic churches are always in the middle of nowhere.
On a positive note, I saw Sorcha Cusack wearing a blue costume and hat the dead spit of the one my granny wore to my parents' wedding in 1956. -
Message 18
Posted by Poorgrass (U12099742) on Thursday, 17th January 2013
AAAAARGHHHH!!!!
Ahem, excuse me.
Why have Father Brown speaking a psalm in Latin over the grave if the actor can't get it right? That psalm, in Latin, was in every Catholic's bones until about 1965, and in every Catholic priest's bones until a lot later. There is no way Father Brown would even have had to read it from a book, and most certainly no way he would have made the slightest slip. And there was mistake after mistake, and the Latin was pronounced half-church, half-academic, as no Catholic would ever have done. It's different now, of course, but in the 1950s no, no, no, a thousand times no. How is it that the ´óÏó´«Ã½ (or the producer or whatever) can't get something so basic right? Ìý I'm afraid most post-Vatican II Catholics wouldn't notice nowadays - many of us are converts or born after Vatican II. I do remember doing evening prayer and benediction in latin with one of our previous parish priests and I did notice that the Latin pronunciation he used was very much like modern Italian and not like the "Kaiser 'ad sum yam for tea" pronunciation that I was taught in school. Still, the Latin Mass is now permitted again, so perhaps a new generation of Catholics will become familiar with it. -
Message 19
Posted by Peggy Monahan (U2254875) on Thursday, 17th January 2013
How is it that the ´óÏó´«Ã½ (or the producer or whatever) can't get something so basic right?Ìý
Because it doesn't matter to the flow of the drama. -
Message 20
Posted by dean volecape (U1477030) on Thursday, 17th January 2013
No, it wasn't Baldi - that has some duff lines (and an absence of any sense of being set in a real Ireland) but it does try - and the Irish characters have Irish actors. Unconvincing on Franciscans I agree.
I can't remember what the other thing was called, but it went out in the 'crime and thrillers' slot some time during the summer, and showed signs of thinking it was clever. Fail. -
Message 21
Posted by dean volecape (U1477030) on Thursday, 17th January 2013
<< How is it that the ´óÏó´«Ã½ (or the producer or whatever) can't get something so basic right?
Because it doesn't matter to the flow of the drama. >>
but it does for the many people who notice - as with any anachronism in a period drama. -
Message 22
Posted by eilis (U15195380) on Thursday, 17th January 2013
It was either the thing with Cheryl Campbell as the nun with the cod-Irish accent and Timothy Spall as the detective or the Colville and Soames thing with Amanda Redman about the priest with the daughter who got killed by the IRA?
Anyway, much as I'm enjoying it as something easy on the eye it's more Father Dowling Mysteries meets The Darling Buds of May than G K Chesterton's Father Brown. -
Message 23
Posted by dean volecape (U1477030) on Thursday, 17th January 2013
Colville and Soames - that was it.
lazy, sloppily scripted rubbish
I think I didn't bother with the nun thing, it was too irritating. It says something when Paul Temple seems a welcome return to sophisticated plotting and lively characterisation.
Pity about Father Brown - I don't suppose the earlier series is available on DVD is it? Maybe I'd better stick to the Alec Guinness film. -
Message 24
Posted by eilis (U15195380) on Thursday, 17th January 2013
There's always the Andrew Sachs radio version which might turn up on Radio 4Extra in the near future. I've a vague memory of the Kenneth More series and here it is for £20:
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Message 25
Posted by dean volecape (U1477030) on Thursday, 17th January 2013
Were the Kenneth More ones any good? The reviews seem mixed, but I'd get them if I thought Ma would enjoy them (we're nearing the end of the Marple/Campion/Wimsey boxed sets).
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Message 26
Posted by eilis (U15195380) on Thursday, 17th January 2013
I don't remember well enough to advise but I've just looked and there are quite a few bits on YouTube if you want to have a look. Might get them for my mother's birthday next month.
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Message 27
Posted by San Fairy Anne (U14257911) on Thursday, 17th January 2013
Why have Father Brown speaking a psalm in Latin over the grave if the actor can't get it right? That psalm, in Latin, was in every Catholic's bones until about 1965, and in every Catholic priest's bones until a lot later. There is no way Father Brown would even have had to read it from a book, and most certainly no way he would have made the slightest slip. And there was mistake after mistake, and the Latin was pronounced half-church, half-academic, as no Catholic would ever have done. It's different now, of course, but in the 1950s no, no, no, a thousand times no. How is it that the ´óÏó´«Ã½ (or the producer or whatever) can't get something so basic right?Ìý
A POV poster refered me to this, Kate. You might be amused, towards the end there is reference to latin.
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Message 28
Posted by Kate McLaren etc (U2202067) on Thursday, 17th January 2013
Thank you, SFA. I have registered my protest!
And now to work...kick me out if you see me here again apart from a brief pause around 8pm... -
Message 29
Posted by JudithL (U14272244) on Thursday, 17th January 2013
The Catholic primary school that I went to in Co Durham was in a very small village - Esh Laude. There were two churches in the parish. A larger modern one down in Langley Park and the older one up in Esh village. I've just done a bit of googling as I knew the church was quite old, and it seems that both it and the convent, attatched to the school, date from the late 1700's. According to this link the church dates from 1798
Ìý Gosh, what a small world it is!
I taught in Lanchester at the RC Grammar, then Comp, for many years, and taught children from Esh. Not relevant to the present discussion, I know, but it's nice to make a connection. -
Message 30
Posted by San Fairy Anne (U14257911) on Thursday, 17th January 2013
I taught in Lanchester at the RC Grammar, then CompÌý
Good Grief!
I did 1 term PT, Sept - Dec 1967 to fill a gap as the Biology teacher had put her notice in on May 31st at that school.
The HT came to my door saying that he had asked in the village shop and we took the Times Ed and Scientific American and could I take on the 6th form he had recruited before the teacher left. I was BF Mustardseed at the time so sometimes I had to take the pram and park it outside of the lab for an hour. Different world. ³§¹ó´¡²Ô²Ô±ðâ„¢ -
Message 31
Posted by La Bez (U14670366) on Thursday, 17th January 2013
Wow! It is a small world. St Michael's was such a tiny school - only about 120 pupils when I was there. It was a major shock to the system when we moved to Newcastle, during the Easter holidays of my last year of Junior School, and I found myself doing my final term of juniors in a much bigger school - good grief it even had two classes per year as opposed to the two years per class that I was used to. Apart from infants, which was all three years taught in one class by a diminutive, and lovely, nun who wasn't much bigger than any of her charges.
We actually lived in Witton Gilbert and by rights we should have gone to the RC primary in Sacriston but thy had odd ideas about not teaching you unless you wanted to learn - well I was quite happy not to thanks very much - and I only lasted a couple of terms there before being whipped out and sent up the hill to Esh, where my poppa knew the nuns.
I gather, from googling for this thread, that the convent only closed in 2010 whn the last nun left the school. It was apparently older than the church (1775) and I well remember that particular polish smell, that seemed to be standard in other convents I visited as a child as well, as we trekked through it, and upstairs, to the tiny chapel for Benediction on friday afternoon -
Message 32
Posted by Robert (U15584955) on Monday, 21st January 2013
While I rather enjoy the stories the liturgical inaccuracies are irritating given the fact that the ´óÏó´«Ã½ usually gets these things right. In today's episode Father Brown was celebrating Mass in the convent but there were several glaring errors.
1. He was not wearing a maniple which was part of the Mass Vestments up until the reforms of Vatican II.
2. His pronunciation at the end of the Gloria was wrong.
3. The Missal would not have been open at the Canon but instead at the Introit of the Mass of the day.
4. There were no altar cards as was the norm pre 1969.
Moreover in the Baptism he would not have used English and the Paschal Candle would not have been besides the font. That is again post Vatican II.
Please if there is to be another series could you consult an organisation like the Latin Mass Society who would be able to give you accurate liturgical information. -
Message 33
Posted by Poorgrass (U12099742) on Monday, 21st January 2013
And his bicycle had what looked suspiciously like an LED front lamp!
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Message 34
Posted by Kate McLaren etc (U2202067) on Tuesday, 22nd January 2013
Well, exactly, Robert. And in the one about the fake priest Father Brown asks him a liturgical question which simply didn't apply before Vatican 2 and the fake priest replies that in German they say...Well, no, they didn't, not then, because everyone said everything in Latin in the Mass in the 1950s; and the particular phrase that Father Brown used only arrived in the Mass in the late 1960s.
It is not difficult to get these things right and it is extremely irritating when they don't.
It's not as if the Roman Catholic Church were a minor sect, hiding in a corner. You just go and ask a Catholic who was around in the 1950s. -
Message 35
Posted by Auntie Prue (U14585893) on Tuesday, 22nd January 2013
None of these doctrinal solecisms bothers me in the least.
It is just a feel good, nostalgic, piece of entertaining fol-de-rol - perfect for a chilly afternoon with a cuppa! -
Message 36
Posted by Poorgrass (U12099742) on Tuesday, 22nd January 2013
I quite agree. And spotting any historical/liturgical mistakes just adds to the fun.
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Message 37
Posted by Spartacus (U38364) on Tuesday, 22nd January 2013
I saw yesterday's episode, and it was "all right", but I'm not going to obsess over them.
I notice the camera shot of the handyman's cottage was badly framed. I assume that if they had panned left just a little more the village Co-Op/Spar would have come into shot. -
Message 38
Posted by Spartacus (U38364) on Tuesday, 22nd January 2013
It is not difficult to get these things right and it is extremely irritating when they don't.Ìý
As Chesterton died in 1936, I think it's a miracle he got /any/ of the post-war detail right! -
Message 39
Posted by JudithL (U14272244) on Tuesday, 22nd January 2013
I taught in Lanchester at the RC Grammar, then CompÌý
Good Grief!
I did 1 term PT, Sept - Dec 1967 to fill a gap as the Biology teacher had put her notice in on May 31st at that school.
The HT came to my door saying that he had asked in the village shop and we took the Times Ed and Scientific American and could I take on the 6th form he had recruited before the teacher left. I was BF Mustardseed at the time so sometimes I had to take the pram and park it outside of the lab for an hour. Different world. ³§¹ó´¡²Ô²Ô±ðâ„¢ Ìý I had to show OH your post, SFAnne, because that was the Head's recruiting methods to a T.
He once "observed" OH's Chemistry lesson by standing outside the door having a quiet cigarette. Mind you, the whole staff, just about, smoked like chimneys in those days (early 70s).
We kept our corgi puppy in the prep room, and the lab assistant used to take him out for a walk if necessary. No problems at all from the Head. As you say, a different world, and so many happy memories of that time. -
Message 40
Posted by JudithL (U14272244) on Tuesday, 22nd January 2013
While I rather enjoy the stories the liturgical inaccuracies are irritating given the fact that the ´óÏó´«Ã½ usually gets these things right. In today's episode Father Brown was celebrating Mass in the convent but there were several glaring errors.
1. He was not wearing a maniple which was part of the Mass Vestments up until the reforms of Vatican II.
2. His pronunciation at the end of the Gloria was wrong.
3. The Missal would not have been open at the Canon but instead at the Introit of the Mass of the day.
4. There were no altar cards as was the norm pre 1969.
Moreover in the Baptism he would not have used English and the Paschal Candle would not have been besides the font. That is again post Vatican II.
Please if there is to be another series could you consult an organisation like the Latin Mass Society who would be able to give you accurate liturgical information.Ìý The ´óÏó´«Ã½ tends to be very particular about dramatizations of authors such as Jane Austen or Charles Dickens, but cares much less about 20th century authors.
For the "classics", nothing is too much trouble, but they don't like to be told if they get things quite wrong. And wherever religion is involved, especially Christianity, they get things more right than wrong, but what is worse is that they just don't really care.
We are told that it's not important, that the dramatic content is all that matters, and I can see that for some people that's true, but the ´óÏó´«Ã½ is our national broadcaster and used to set high standards.
I tend to notice when they get things wrong in the C of E, and my knowledge of the Latin Mass isn't so good, but I can understand how annoying it is to someone who is an expert in the church pre-Vatican II. -
Message 41
Posted by Lynnie P (U3585914) on Tuesday, 22nd January 2013
I don't care, sorry, if the details are wrong because I am not RC and wouldn't be any the wiser. I did two years of Latin at school and can remember very little of it. It is, folks, a nice gentle afternoon series and I think Mark Williams is splendid, as he is in everything I have ever seen him in. A fine character actor.
The series has been set in the 1950s as it said in the Radio Times. I am not sure why - perhaps because it is easier from a budgetary point of view or perhaps to give it a Marple-ish feel.
I too wondered about the antiquity of the church - but don't forget in these straitened times the Beeb will probably want to sell the series abroad and a nice Cotswold church would look so much prettier!
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Message 42
Posted by Gayer-Anderson Cat (U13637930) on Tuesday, 22nd January 2013
"Apart from the Slipper Chapel in Walsingham, I can't think of any other medieval RC churches in England. 19th century, at best, most of the ones that I've been inside. Some nice modern ones too, but not in traditional English villages of the kind which TV directors seem to love so."
Judith, have you visited the new RC church in Walsingham? It replaced the rather tatty one in the village centre, and, because of the shape of the plot, it is an unusaul shape. The church itself is one of the loveliest I've seen, all light and air, and has a wonderful atmosphere. Just shows there are some gifted, imaginative church architects about even now!
Sorry to go off-track.
G-AC -
Message 43
Posted by Spartacus (U38364) on Tuesday, 22nd January 2013
There was one authentic 1950s touch that I feel I ought to give them credit for. On the windowsill in the workman's cottage in yesterday's episode there was a Bush bakelite radio, and it was *white*.
The problem was that in the 1950s they came out with bakelite radios in a range of colours (white, yellow, green...) but the mixture they used oxidised relatively quickly, so unless special care was taken within ten years they had all turned the "muddy bakelite brown" we see nowadays. And pretty much every other ´óÏó´«Ã½ production set in the 1950s has a brown bakelite radio in it... (Even the "brown" radios had pronounced woodgrain patterning!)
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Message 44
Posted by JudithL (U14272244) on Tuesday, 22nd January 2013
"Apart from the Slipper Chapel in Walsingham, I can't think of any other medieval RC churches in England. 19th century, at best, most of the ones that I've been inside. Some nice modern ones too, but not in traditional English villages of the kind which TV directors seem to love so."
Judith, have you visited the new RC church in Walsingham? It replaced the rather tatty one in the village centre, and, because of the shape of the plot, it is an unusaul shape. The church itself is one of the loveliest I've seen, all light and air, and has a wonderful atmosphere. Just shows there are some gifted, imaginative church architects about even now!
Sorry to go off-track.
G-AC
Ìý It's a few years since I was in Walsingham, so no, I haven't seen the RC church.
Many years ago I used to spend holidays in Ireland, and saw some lovely modern churches there, especially in the west. There as one in Connemara, dedicated to Our Lady of the Wayside, with a beautiful stained glass window of Mary in the traditional Galway shawl; another in Donegal near the border, a copy of the Iron Age fort on a nearby hill, the same dimensions and shape. Very impressive.
And of course Galway cathedral, with all the Connemara marble. -
Message 45
Posted by eilis (U15195380) on Tuesday, 22nd January 2013
another in Donegal near the border, a copy of the Iron Age fort on a nearby hill, the same dimensions and shape. Ìý
I know it well, Judith, living about three miles from there and my sister and her family live in the parish. The fort is Grianan of Aileach and I can see it from my back window. Liam McCormick, the architect, built many churches from about the 1950s to the 1970s, including my own parish church. -
Message 46
Posted by Poorgrass (U12099742) on Tuesday, 22nd January 2013
>have you visited the new RC church in Walsingham? It replaced the rather tatty one in the village centre, and, because of the shape of the plot, it is an unusaul shape. The church itself is one of the loveliest I've seen, all light and air, and has a wonderful atmosphere. Just shows there are some gifted, imaginative church architects about even now!<
Agreed that it is a lot better than a lot of the "monstrosities" built for the RC Church in the 1950s and 60s, but Walsingham is a strange sort of place. The Chapel of Reconciliation at the RC shrine built in the 70s and 80s is one of my favorite church buildings, very simple and barnlike inside, but it works well. And the Anglican parish church in Walsingham was refurbished in the 1960s after a fire and that is one of the most beautiful churches inside I have ever seen. -
Message 47
Posted by Lynnie P (U3585914) on Tuesday, 22nd January 2013
Oh Peet, bless you, that is by far the geekiest post I have seen in a long time. My OH would be delighted!
LynnieP - who cares naught for anachronisms in gentle afternoon dramas... -
Message 48
Posted by JudithL (U14272244) on Tuesday, 22nd January 2013
another in Donegal near the border, a copy of the Iron Age fort on a nearby hill, the same dimensions and shape. Ìý
I know it well, Judith, living about three miles from there and my sister and her family live in the parish. The fort is Grianan of Aileach and I can see it from my back window. Liam McCormick, the architect, built many churches from about the 1950s to the 1970s, including my own parish church.Ìý I recognize the name of the fort, but would never have remembered it; my Irish is almost non-existent, being confined to being able to pronounce most of the Irish Christian names that I meet.
It's many years now since I was there; we walked up to the fort, then visited the church.
And in reply to Poorgrass: yes, the parish church in Walsingham is beautiful. Have you been to South Creake, a nearby parish? Equally beautiful, with lovely uneven floors and bleached oak pew ends.
The Norfolk churches are a delight. -
Message 49
Posted by Peneli (U14304799) on Tuesday, 22nd January 2013
I had a strong feeling that if they moved the camera from the handyman's cottage you would have seen Chedworth Roman Villa. But I haven't been able to check it out.
I don't think they always got things right in classics, a friend more up in those sort of things pointed out that in one of the Jane Eyre productions there was far too much altar furniture in the church during the aborted marriage, sicne it was before the Oxford Movement introduced all that sort of thing.
Foyle's War - plastic canvas on deck chairs at Eastbourne. Access to promenade for non-locals from outside 5 miles from coast. Torn plastic blowing from old looking barbed wire, that somehow looked as if it had been added deliberately. Access to beach and cliffs for just about anyone. -
Message 50
Posted by Auntie Prue (U14585893) on Tuesday, 22nd January 2013
Did you hear the lovely nightingale in today's episode?
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