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Posted by e-mc2 (U1674730) on Monday, 28th January 2013
Ah, at last, some sport where the players don't roll around the pitch, howling in pain after a tap on the ankle, and then immediately get up and play without problems, showing that they were clearly cheating.
Well I'm looking forward to it, though I don't think we rugby followers are really in a position to throw stones to be honest. We have a different set of things to be concerned about.
It's an odd build up from a Welsh point of view: champions and grand slammers, but most of us will be relieved if we don't get the wooden spoon this year!
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Posted by Go away historians of the future (U1484964) on Monday, 28th January 2013
>> the players don't roll around the pitch, howling in pain after a tap on the ankle, and then immediately get up and play without problems, showing that they were clearly cheating <<
Only because the game carries on while they get treatment.
If it stopped then they'd do all that and more.
>> the players don't roll around the pitch, howling in pain after a tap on the ankle, and then immediately get up and play without problems, showing that they were clearly cheating <<
Only because the game carries on while they get treatment.
If it stopped then they'd do all that and more.Ìý
Supposition and waffle.
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Ah- Loot did not sufficiently conceal his naughty word- and I quoted it. Pity- it was quite funny. But back to the rugby- anyone feeling confident at this stage?
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Posted by Go away historians of the future (U1484964) on Monday, 28th January 2013
I'm confident that at some stage one of the Joshes will punch one of the other Joshes when he thinks no-one's looking.
And I've noticed that the habit of blaming officials after losing a game is creeping into Rugby. Hope that doesn't carry on, but I'm fairly confident that it will.
I may be wrong but I'm sure I read somewhere that they use fake blood to emphasise injuries in rugby.
That was Harlequins I think. Dean Richards got a three year ban from coaching as a result.
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Posted by Reggie Trentham (U2746099) on Monday, 28th January 2013
Yes but he didn't roll round the ground pretending he was in pain did he?
Rugby has a much better class of cheating.
Josh?
Sadly ( probably shouldn't say that) few punches get thrown these days- too many cameras, yellow/ red cards, citings and suspensions for that. Which is partly why other kinds of transgressions have multiplied.
Rugby Union is an impossible game to referee reasonably accurately in the way football is and depends on players cooperating really, which in a professional game is bound to struggle as a concept. Hence it is creeping reluctantly towards looking like Rugby League- which however God forbid!
You are right about the ref criticism. It's inevitable, I'm afraid as money talks louder and coaches are sacked for bad results. Every close game could go either way dependent on refs decisions which aren't even right or wrong- just one interpretation of which laws to enforce and which not. It's still miles better on the pitch than football but even that may slowly erode.
Anyway this is not the time for gloom- we have had months of that in Welsh rugby. The internationals are still great fun. Can't get to Cardiff for Saturday, but tickets for Murrayfield arrived on Saturday- that still lifts the heart!
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Posted by Leaping Badger (U3587940) on Monday, 28th January 2013
Ah, at last, some sport where the players don't roll around the pitch, howling in pain after a tap on the ankle, and then immediately get up and play without problems, showing that they were clearly cheating.Ìý
Always good to start a thread with a negative comment - that's sure to lead to bickering.
Anyone want to start a proper Six Nations thread?
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Sadly ( probably shouldn't say that) few punches get thrown these daysÌý
I saw quite a few relatively recently in a Gloucester game (in France) which was covered by Sky.
The Gloucester player punched his French opponent unconscious and then carried on punching him just to make certain that he stayed punched.
Had that been a footballer, there would've been hell to pay, but in the post-match summary, it wasn't covered in forensic detail.
Don't get me wrong - I love rugby and, to be honest, sometimes prefer it to football when the sides playing aren't ones that I support. However, it does grate when rugby fans crow about 'their' game over football.
In my opinion, rugby has as many problems as football does, it's just that they're different problems.
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Posted by Reggie Trentham (U2746099) on Monday, 28th January 2013
A discussion on Iroquois culture? Yes, I'll go for that.
The OP is hoping that Association Football fans will get all uptight about his provocative threads (the title of the one he started about Egypt was equally pointy-sticked), which he thinks somehow proves his point.
I don't know why he bothers.
I don't think you can base an analysis of the problems in rugby on a match involving Gloucester. What they play isn't even rugby.
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Posted by Lady Trudie Tilney Glorfindel Maldini (U2222312) on Monday, 28th January 2013
Aw well done HenGog.
This thread has got off to a good start, hasn't it?
I think it's a pretty open tournament, and would love to see it start with Italy beating France on Sunday, that would put un chat dans les pigeons.
Women's 6 nations starts too - not a mention on the ´óÏó´«Ã½ website, not even on the fixture list, grrrr.
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Posted by RichTeabiscuit (U2000482) on Monday, 28th January 2013
I may be wrong but I'm sure I read somewhere that they use fake blood to emphasise injuries in rugby.Ìý
No, that's 'useD'. As in, it happened once.
I agree. There are things in football which ,to be honest, killed virtually all my interest in it. But rugby is in no position to preach: I am not sanguine about the future really. I'm not one of the old buffers who loathed the introduction of amateurism, but... forreasons they probably never thought of, they may have been right in a way.
I don't think you can base an analysis of the problems in rugby on a match involving Gloucester. What they play isn't even rugby.Ìý Ah ! a Bath supporter I presume? With your name I had you down for Glaws!
Well I'm looking forward to it, though I don't think we rugby followers are really in a position to throw stones to be honest. We have a different set of things to be concerned about.
It's an odd build up from a Welsh point of view: champions and grand slammers, but most of us will be relieved if we don't get the wooden spoon this year!Ìý
I have a horrible feeling that Wales will make history by being the first side ever to win a grand slam and wooden spoon in successive years.
No, that's 'useD'. As in, it happened once. Ìý
Unfortunately, it wasn't only once. It went on for years.
The OP is hoping that Association Football fans will get all uptight about his provocative threads (the title of the one he started about Egypt was equally pointy-sticked), which he thinks somehow proves his point.
I don't know why he bothers. Ìý
Hardly, Association Football proves its own point.
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Posted by Lady Trudie Tilney Glorfindel Maldini (U2222312) on Monday, 28th January 2013
Oh dear Auntie M that's not like you! I must say I am not very confident about England at Murrayfield either, a tricky opener.
Hardly, Association Football proves its own point.Ìý
Yeah, yeah, all footballers are overpaid prima donnas and all us supporters are p*ssed-up knuckle dragging thugs.
[Yawn]
You do talk about the game a lot for someone who doesn't like it.
Aw well done HenGog.
This thread has got off to a good start, hasn't it?
I think it's a pretty open tournament, and would love to see it start with Italy beating France on Sunday, that would put un chat dans les pigeons.
Women's 6 nations starts too - not a mention on the ´óÏó´«Ã½ website, not even on the fixture list, grrrr.Ìý
Tis one's as hard to predict as ever. I think France, as usual, ought to be favourites.
Not sure about England- they are very confident after beating the Blacks, and have of course huge numbers to pick from.but...up to that All Blacks game they seemed to be treading water to me- solid pack as ever but little in the backs.
Scotland surely at last will begin a true revival- they have a few cracking players, if they stay reasonably injury free .
Ireland look strong again: should do well.
For Wales it all depends on the opening match I feel. It should be very close with Ireland. If we lose though, we have three away games before England at home. All will be hard- France obviously, but Scotland are due some luck against us and Italy are now tough at home too. We can't ride the injuries like England and France can: it could be a very difficult season.
Hardly, Association Football proves its own point.Ìý
Yeah, yeah, all footballers are overpaid prima donnas and all us supporters are p*ssed-up knuckle dragging thugs.
[Yawn]
You do talk about the game a lot for someone who doesn't like it. Ìý
Exactly. A wholly appropriate and expected response.
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Posted by Leaping Badger (U3587940) on Monday, 28th January 2013
You'd better start, Reggisimo, as I'm a bit out of my depth. It's a far Cree from my comfort zone.
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Best get your facts right, or they'll Sioux.
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Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Monday, 28th January 2013
Oh dear Auntie M that's not like you! I must say I am not very confident about England at Murrayfield either, a tricky opener.Ìý No it's not like me is it? We are going to have to blood a few youngsters in the second row But at least Lydiate is back. I think England will beat Scotland.
Oh dear Auntie M that's not like you! I must say I am not very confident about England at Murrayfield either, a tricky opener.Ìý
No it's not like me is it? We are going to have to blood a few youngsters in the second row But at least Lydiate is back. I think England will beat Scotland.Ìý
Don't think Lydiate's back yet. And while we might blood King, I suppose, in the second row I've heard Kohn is more likely, if Evans is not thought ready ( he's fit but hasn't played since November) Kohn is hardly a youngster - or Welsh, but that's another matter.
It would be good to see a King Kohn second row I suppose. Takes me back to when we picked Holmes and Moriarty.
Between France and England probably, too many injuries for Wales and I think the Irish team are getting on a bit.
This of couse means that Ireland will win and England will get the wooden spoon - my Kiwi friend rates England which is the kiss of death...
Would love to see Italy beat France, its happened before.
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Posted by hoddles off into the sunset (U14129169) on Monday, 28th January 2013
Ah, at last, some sport where the players don't roll around the pitch, howling in pain after a tap on the ankle, and then immediately get up and play without problems, showing that they were clearly cheating.Ìý
My obviously foolish predictions for Wales are: narrow defeat at home to Ireland; defeat to France away; nervous win away against Italy; loss to Scotland away, and finish with a win at home against England to deny them the championship.
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Posted by RichTeabiscuit (U2000482) on Monday, 28th January 2013
No, that's 'useD'. As in, it happened once. Ìý
Unfortunately, it wasn't only once. It went on for years.
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Yikes, I stand corrected. That's quite shocking actually.
Although it appears to be limited to one club/director, which I suppose is positive (or should that be 'less negative').
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Posted by hoddles off into the sunset (U14129169) on Monday, 28th January 2013
No, that's 'useD'. As in, it happened once. Ìý
Unfortunately, it wasn't only once. It went on for years.
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I'm sure e-mc2 will agree they're a better class of cheat in rugby union.
"Best get your facts right, or they'll Sioux."
That will make them Hopi n mad.
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Posted by RichTeabiscuit (U2000482) on Monday, 28th January 2013
Unfortunately, there are too many of both of those. And before anyone says it, I'm absolutely not claiming rugby to be all sweetness & light either.
Although anecdotally, Mrs Rich's goddaughter was an avid supporter of her local modestly successful league football team for many many years, until she witnessed one occasion of mindless post-match idiocy too many. She turned her back on the game and went along to watch her town's equally modestly successful rugby side instead, and was amazed at how friendly it all was. Home supporters giving away supporters a lift to the station after the match, everybody having a cuppa and a laugh together at half time, a much nicer atmosphere. She hasn't been to a footie ground since.
No, that's 'useD'. As in, it happened once. Ìý
Unfortunately, it wasn't only once. It went on for years.
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I'm sure e-mc2 will agree they're a better class of cheat in rugby union.Ìý
Ha ha, 1 person, 4 instances, is that all you've got ?
Read the post above this one for the real story.
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Posted by hoddles off into the sunset (U14129169) on Monday, 28th January 2013
What bit of "it went on for years" don't you understand?
Time you removed the blinkers.
What bit of "it went on for years" don't you understand?
Time you removed the blinkers.Ìý
What part of "Details of the four other instances of faked blood injuries revealed were given to the ERC disciplinary panel by the banned Harlequins physio, Steph Brennan" don't you understand.
It's time you learned to read.
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Posted by Leaping Badger (U3587940) on Monday, 28th January 2013
Right, we've established that this is the pointless bickering thread, does anyone want to start a thread for those of us who are looking forward to enjoying the rugby during the Six Nations?
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You could start your own, I could politely guide you back to this already existing thread and someone else could call me the board police.
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Posted by hoddles off into the sunset (U14129169) on Monday, 28th January 2013
What bit of "it went on for years" don't you understand?
Time you removed the blinkers.Ìý
What part of "Details of the four other instances of faked blood injuries revealed were given to the ERC disciplinary panel by the banned Harlequins physio, Steph Brennan" don't you understand.
It's time you learned to read.Ìý
"a Canadian World Cup player claimed teams punch their own players and even use razors to fake injuries.
James Pritchard, a goal-kicking wing at First Division Bedford, may have to face an RFU panel investigating feigned substitutions following the blood capsule scandal at Harlequins.
Pritchard claimed that in one match, a trainer helped induce a blood injury by hitting one of the players. He said: 'I only found out later that the trainer had come on and when the forwards gathered round he gave the prop a friendly whack so the blood would flow a little more freely. Trainers have also used a razor to nick a player above the eyebrow.'"
................and then of course there's the players............
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Posted by Go away historians of the future (U1484964) on Monday, 28th January 2013
I preferred rugby when it was played by amateurs.
There's something strangely appealing about watching estate agents beat each other up.
Is this why there's no regular rugby thread?
Is this why there's no regular rugby thread? Ìý I think we managed for the 6 Nations last year with problems...
What bit of "it went on for years" don't you understand?
Time you removed the blinkers.Ìý
What part of "Details of the four other instances of faked blood injuries revealed were given to the ERC disciplinary panel by the banned Harlequins physio, Steph Brennan" don't you understand.
It's time you learned to read.Ìý
"a Canadian World Cup player claimed teams punch their own players and even use razors to fake injuries.
James Pritchard, a goal-kicking wing at First Division Bedford, may have to face an RFU panel investigating feigned substitutions following the blood capsule scandal at Harlequins.
Pritchard claimed that in one match, a trainer helped induce a blood injury by hitting one of the players. He said: 'I only found out later that the trainer had come on and when the forwards gathered round he gave the prop a friendly whack so the blood would flow a little more freely. Trainers have also used a razor to nick a player above the eyebrow.'"
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All hyperbole, unproven claims and smoke and mirrors, clearly.
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