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Posted by Spartacus (U14762542) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
Nigel seems to think Facebook and Twitter are the best thing since sliced bread. I just read a huffington post article that suggests that my view of Facebook is a lot nearer the mark than his.
The site's user numbers inflated, and are actually dropping - their stats are not credible; but that is just a tiny part of the story. Here's a quote from a rather interesting article which also mentions the issue of identity theft:
Facebook's Identity Theft Enabling Business Model
I don't use Facebook and never have, yet my first-hand experience made me feel Facebook's business model is pernicious. I had to jump through hoops to get my impersonator's profile removed from Facebook. I discovered the impersonator in June 2011 via Google Alerts; otherwise it would have gone undetected by me. Note that this was almost a year before Facebook's IPO.
Facebook required me to fill out a form and provide the fake profile's URL -- which I had only thanks to Google Alerts. (People not on Facebook who don't use Google Alerts may be the victim of identity theft without even knowing about it.) Then I had to provide a scan of a government issued photo I.D., information I didn't want to provide, but the potential consequences of a malicious use of my profile made reluctant compliance seem the lesser of two evils.Ìý
Source:
Not sure Nigel Smith thinks they are The Best Thing Since Sliced Bread, he just offered them as alternatives to this message board. No one is forcing anyone to use them..overly hysterical reaction alert..
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Posted by DragonFluff (U6879248) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
Knowing what I know about Facebook, I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole. That's just my opinion - each to his own, and if people enjoy using it and don't mind their information being used for data mining, then that's OK.
Thank you so much for that pearl of wisdom saussages.
Never never never.
I have found a very nice new home at Sue's.
That's alright Helen, always happy to oblige ; - ).
One advantage you have if you go to the new Mustardland board Smeesue set up is they have a good selection of smiley winky things, and moving avatars.
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Posted by DragonFluff (U6879248) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
But if that puts anyone off, you can turn them off so you can't see them, so everyone's happy.
Fluff
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Posted by La Min gibbon swinging strumpet draped in black (U12534030) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
MrMin came home the other day, been off somehwere and chatting with university lecturere about faceache. The feedback said lecturer had from their students was that many of them really dislike the whole thing but find it hard to break away from because they feel that while everyone else is using it they kind of have to. If they felt that alternative would work they'd use it.
Facebook really misses me because they tell me this when they send e-mails.I feel honoured that they go to all this trouble just for me.
Facebook emails me every single day, has done for the past three years, even though I've never signed up to anything.
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Posted by The final throes of Geek The Amazing Dogboy (U1759005) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
If I were to use facebook for something like ML I would set up a completely seperate account than my 'normal' one. I like a certain amount of privacy.
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Posted by Lady Macbeϯh - not without mustard (U550479) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
Facebook emails me every single day, has done for the past three years, even though I've never signed up to anything.Ìý
You need to opt out of the emails. I never get any.
How do I opt out of something I never signed into? I've always been wary of 'unsubscribing' to unsolicited emails, because I assume it confirms that it's a live email address, leading to even more bombardment.
I like FB because I am a nosey parker and I like seeing other people's photos. I am also the worlds worst FB bore for posting gazillions of photos, umpteen links to cute dog photos and endless status updates regarding my dog.
But I think you're right La Min, I know of quite a few younger people who have a real problem with it but can't break away for the reasons you've given.
I noticed FB being promoted on Breakfast this morning.
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Posted by Spartacus (U14762542) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
Saussages; I am well aware of Sue's board, Peet's board and the other alternatives that have been suggested, thanks.
I am appalled that the ´óÏó´«Ã½ seem to be recommending facebook and twitter which (unlike Peet's and Sue's) are not conducive to the kind of interaction folk have had here.
These commercial companies are also platforms for bullying and apalling behavior, they are also data miners and their security is appalling unless people lock down their accounts very carefully, which I doubt most do.
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Posted by Lady Macbeϯh - not without mustard (U550479) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
Tadders - are you actually signed up to FaceAche? If not it's spam, of course and you are quite right to ignore any emails.
I unsubscribed from email alerts on F/A on my settings, not via an email link.
Tadders - are you actually signed up to FaceAche? If not it's spam, of course and you are quite right to ignore any emails.
I unsubscribed from email alerts on F/A on my settings, not via an email link. Ìý
No I'm not signed up to FaceAche, Lady Mac. I assume the emails are springing from someone on Facebook allowing it to rampage over their email address book - is that how it works?
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Posted by Spartacus (U14762542) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
I gather so. I have never joined but a number of my students were members and I assume that their address books were raided. They would have known better than to do it themselves!
Facebook.
Bargepole.
Me.
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Posted by Lady Macbeϯh - not without mustard (U550479) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
Not a clue, I'm afraid. Never had spam from F/A
Someone will be able to explain, I'm sure - see data mining upthread.
I have to say I found it impossible to unsubscribe from Twitter. They just reactivated my account without so much as a by your leave.
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Posted by Spartacus (U14762542) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
The real Hotel California, eh?
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Posted by Edinburgh_Ranger (U1590150) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
You assume too much Helen. Facebook has its flaws and they are highlighted regularly due to its position, profile and influence. It's not a substitute for this MB but it's clear why the ´óÏó´«Ã½ are suggesting it as an alternative place for people to interact.
Why is everyone so het up about data mining? They can mine to their heart's content as far as I'm concerned because I might then get spam that actually relates to my interests as opposed to the traditonal scattergun nonsense yet I still won't be forced to buy anything at all.
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Posted by Spartacus (U14762542) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
You may not be concerned about data mining but I am. Unethical use of user information and a lack of data protection is my objection. In this country we have data protection laws for good reason.
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Posted by Edinburgh_Ranger (U1590150) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
You may not be concerned about data mining but I am. Unethical use of user information and a lack of data protection is my objection. In this country we have data protection laws for good reason.Ìý I share your concern on that level but you seem to be suggesting a whole lot more going on at Facebook than I've seen reported and/or proven.
Not sure Nigel Smith thinks they are The Best Thing Since Sliced BreadÌý
Whatever his personal opinion, it's clearly ´óÏó´«Ã½ Policy.
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Posted by Spartacus (U14762542) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
A lot of things are not seen, reported or proved at the time E R. Think about some of the things that have come out recently; many years after they happened and far too late for any action to be taken.
What the eye doesn't see, the heart doesn't grieve over, eh?
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Posted by Mister Legs (U15599971) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
Not sure Nigel Smith thinks they are The Best Thing Since Sliced BreadÌý
Whatever his personal opinion, it's clearly ´óÏó´«Ã½ Policy. Ìý
is there any truth in the rumpur that that nice Mr Zuckerberg is going to buy the ´óÏó´«Ã½ and rebrand it The F´óÏó´«Ã½ (Facebook Broadcasting Corporation) ?
Facebook.
Bargepole.
²Ñ±ð.Ìý
Ditto, joeville. Apparently, according to University research from the states, that gives a better than 90% certainty that we are psychopaths.
I wonder who funded the research?
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Posted by La Min gibbon swinging strumpet draped in black (U12534030) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
Really, ooh, exciting, me too, and MrMin and loads of Bohemian arty type peoples we know, we should all get together, oh, hang on, that won't work...
Tadders - are you actually signed up to FaceAche? If not it's spam, of course and you are quite right to ignore any emails.
I unsubscribed from email alerts on F/A on my settings, not via an email link. Ìý
No I'm not signed up to FaceAche, Lady Mac. I assume the emails are springing from someone on Facebook allowing it to rampage over their email address book - is that how it works?Ìý
When the ´óÏó´«Ã½ first switched over to "Single Sign-on", I was incensed when, on entering my email adress to re-register, the very first thing I got was a message saying "You don't appear to have a Facebook account associated with this address!"...
As I pointed out to them, in a series of incandescent emails, the *only* way they could know that was if they had actually submitted my email address to Facebook, something that I had gone *out* *of* *my* *way* to avoid, quite successfully until they blindsided me, and now I was on the Facebook "radar".
I pointed out that this was a breach of the Data Protection Act.
Leggsy, who has much more experience in setting up accounts than I do, says they no longer check. But whoever decided to blindly stick a Facebook API into a ´óÏó´«Ã½ Registration page deserves to be sacked, if not a week or two's jail time.
(That very week, I has a spate of "XXX uses Facebook, and may know you. Why not join and chat to them?" type emails.)
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Posted by Edinburgh_Ranger (U1590150) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
A lot of things are not seen, reported or proved at the time E R. Think about some of the things that have come out recently; many years after they happened and far too late for any action to be taken.
What the eye doesn't see, the heart doesn't grieve over, eh?Ìý
I'll resist the paranoia and conspiracy theories Helen. I'm no particular fan of Facebook but I don't think it's the online equivalent of Big Brother either.
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Posted by Spartacus (U14762542) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
I am not prone to paranoia but I do know a bit about how information can be gathered and used; as do other folk I know who wouldn't touch facebook with a bargepole.
I think of it not as Big Brother but more as a sneaky person in a stripey teeshirt and mask (carrying a bag marked swag) who climbs in your window and rifles through your drawers.
Quiet, you lot at the back!
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Posted by Edinburgh_Ranger (U1590150) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
Can you prove this is happening?
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Posted by Spartacus (U14762542) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
It would probably be possible but (as with most such undertakings) it would take months of time consuming research and evidence-gathering.
I did enough of that during the part of my working life spent in the media and education. I am not going to start again now that I've packed all that in.
I have a new business to run and really shouldn't be here at all...
I have a new business to run and really shouldn't be here at all..
If I had a pound for every time I thought that I could retire and not run a business.
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Posted by Brentford_Nylon (U2565713) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
Here's a quote from a rather interesting article which also mentions the issue of identity theft:Ìý
Janet Tavakoli of Tavakoli Structured Finance - sounds impressive. She seems to be gambling on the stock price going down. That's how I understand a 'put' anyway.
There's probably a name for writing negative pieces about companies who's share prices you hope to see go down. I do like the pimping of her books as well. The snappily named 'Structured Finance and Collateralized Debt Obligations: New Developments in Cash and Synthetic Securitization (Wiley Finance)' and the Dan Brownish sounding 'Archangles: Rise Of The Jesuits'.
Even if there's truth in the piece that link smells.
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Posted by Spartacus (U14762542) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
Probably true in my case too! Ah well, dear Nigel and co are very kindly removing temptation from my path...
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Posted by JennyDarling Long Gone (U250754) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
Facebook emails me every single day, has done for the past three years, even though I've never signed up to anything. Ìý I use facebook to keep in touch with my family and close friends. I do not have e-mail notification because I turned this off.
I am not prone to paranoia but I do know a bit about how information can be gathered and used; as do other folk I know who wouldn't touch facebook with a bargepole.
I think of it not as Big Brother but more as a sneaky person in a stripey teeshirt and mask (carrying a bag marked swag) who climbs in your window and rifles through your drawers.
Quiet, you lot at the back!Ìý
Anyone that worried about "data mining" should also stop paying their mobile phone provider for the privilege of walking around with a portable tracking device, stop using ATM's, quit driving so you can avoid ANPS and avoid walking anywhere but open countryside so you don't get picked up on CCTV. We live in a surveillance society....... FB is a choice, as is anything else you've signed up to online; Amazon, hotmail, yahoo, gmail, ebay etc., and they can all monitor whatever you click on, subscribe to, send and receive - the rest is not a choice, and it pretty much starts as soon as you walk out of your door.
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Posted by Mister Legs (U15599971) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
Will all this data mining effect the stability of the building where I live, I don't want any subsisdence or sink holes
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Posted by DragonFluff (U6879248) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
Can you prove this is happening?Ìý
Facebook works with a company called Datalogix to analyse advertising and users' purchasing to gauge effectiveness.
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Posted by Spartacus (U14762542) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
I am aware of all those things too.
Local protests led to many of the CCTV cameras here being removed.
ATMs don't exacly reveal a lot about me; the main risk in using them is someone cloning your card if the machine is doctored. Someone simply nicking your card is possibly just as likely; the former has not happened to me but the latter did.
My PAYG mobile is not much use for tracking me as it is seldom switched on - mostly when self and OH are shopping as we tend to lose each other!
In some ways life was a lot simpler when I first started work and you got a brown envelope at the end of the week with notes and coins in it. There are good and bad aspects to all the changes we have seen in the years since.
I fear that too many folk are a tad too blasé about some of it.
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Posted by Spartacus (U14762542) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
Will all this data mining effect the stability of the building where I live, I don't want any subsisdence or sink holesÌý I should get some pit props, just in case, if I were you!
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Posted by Mister Legs (U15599971) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
I am not prone to paranoia but I do know a bit about how information can be gathered and used; as do other folk I know who wouldn't touch facebook with a bargepole.
I think of it not as Big Brother but more as a sneaky person in a stripey teeshirt and mask (carrying a bag marked swag) who climbs in your window and rifles through your drawers.
Quiet, you lot at the back!Ìý
Anyone that worried about "data mining" should also stop paying their mobile phone provider for the privilege of walking around with a portable tracking device, stop using ATM's, quit driving so you can avoid ANPS and avoid walking anywhere but open countryside so you don't get picked up on CCTV. We live in a surveillance society....... FB is a choice, as is anything else you've signed up to online; Amazon, hotmail, yahoo, gmail, ebay etc., and they can all monitor whatever you click on, subscribe to, send and receive - the rest is not a choice, and it pretty much starts as soon as you walk out of your door.Ìý
every little helps
it's all nectar, innit
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Posted by Brentford_Nylon (U2565713) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
Facebook works with a company called Datalogix to analyse advertising and users' purchasing to gauge effectiveness.Ìý
Reads like Google.
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Posted by Edinburgh_Ranger (U1590150) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
Can you prove this is happening?Ìý
Facebook works with a company called Datalogix to analyse advertising and users' purchasing to gauge effectiveness.
Ìý
And I see no problem with that.
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Posted by DragonFluff (U6879248) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013
As I said in message 3 - if you're OK with that, that's fine. I'm not, so I don't use FB.
I am not prone to paranoia but I do know a bit about how information can be gathered and used; as do other folk I know who wouldn't touch facebook with a bargepole.
I think of it not as Big Brother but more as a sneaky person in a stripey teeshirt and mask (carrying a bag marked swag) who climbs in your window and rifles through your drawers.
Quiet, you lot at the back!Ìý
Anyone that worried about "data mining" should also stop paying their mobile phone provider for the privilege of walking around with a portable tracking device, stop using ATM's, quit driving so you can avoid ANPS and avoid walking anywhere but open countryside so you don't get picked up on CCTV. We live in a surveillance society....... FB is a choice, as is anything else you've signed up to online; Amazon, hotmail, yahoo, gmail, ebay etc., and they can all monitor whatever you click on, subscribe to, send and receive - the rest is not a choice, and it pretty much starts as soon as you walk out of your door.Ìý
every little helps
it's all nectar, innitÌý
Yep, nectar, tesco, club cards, loyalty cards.............. there's no contact without trace.....................
I don't have the energy any more, so I'll just let Wikipedia do the talking...
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