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Ben Fogle Spiked
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Message 1.聽
Posted by FowPah (U1746998) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
Now this is a very bad thing to do and I have had it done to me.But I am trying not to see the funny side of this.
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Message 2
Posted by fancylunnunways (U14315137) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
as there is no funny side, that shouldnt be hard to do.
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Message 3
Posted by Dee (U3082905) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
Sorry, but I fail to see any funny side at all.
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Message 4
Posted by eilis (U15195380) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
No, I saw him tweeting about it yesterday and it wasn't funny at all.
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Message 5
Posted by FowPah (U1746998) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
I wondered if I should have added that last bit.And I would certainly not have had it been a woman or if I hadn't been a victim or had there been a bad consequence.
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Message 6
Posted by Gizmomoo (U10999499) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
Sorry I don't think it's funny and I don't think it matters if the person is male or female or if there had been bad consequences.
There COULD have been bad consequences, very very bad, even fatal ones. The person that did the spiking had no idea if Ben was taking other drugs, what he was allergic to and what could have happened.
As someone who is allergic to alcohol and don't find any form of spiking funny. -
Message 7
This posting has been hidden during moderation because it broke the in some way.
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Message 8
Posted by FowPah (U1746998) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
I am not condoning it but some bad things can be humourous in certain situations.
At one point it went from 鈥渟cary to comical鈥 as he found himself recreating a sketch from the Monty Python TV show Ministry of Funny Walks. -
Message 9
Posted by careen (U1935190) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
No funny side. If this had happened to a relative of mine it could mean back in a psychiatric hospital after years of battling to get out. Even something as considered mild by some such as cannabis could make him ill again.
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Message 10
Posted by Gizmomoo (U10999499) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
And according to that article he also "flipped" whilst putting his kids to bed. He could have thrown one of them out of the window instead of himself (which it states he tried to do).
Do we know how he got home? Did the spiker know Ben was not going to get behind the wheel of a car with his family in the back?
Yes the Monty Python bit may be funny but the rest definitely wasn't. That's the trouble with pranks, the funny bits sometimes come mixed with danger and the whole thing is out of anyone's control. -
Message 11
Posted by eilis (U15195380) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
I had a housemate when at university who had a bad LSD trip. It was really scary for the rest of us, we just had to stay with him and keep him safe until he came down. I'll never forget it.
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Message 12
Posted by FowPah (U1746998) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
It is possible to think it wrong and funny at the same time.I have been spiked I have a chronic mental health condition I think Ben will get over this if it is a case of spiking.
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Message 13
Posted by The Giddy Kipper (U10918464) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
If he really thinks he was spiked, wouldn't he at least want to see what drug he has in his system? Hmmn....
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Message 14
Posted by FowPah (U1746998) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
If he really thinks he was spiked, wouldn't he at least want to see what drug he has in his system? Hmmn....聽 Surely the hospital should have access to a lab? What if someone comes in with an OD and they don't know what they have had?
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Message 15
Posted by The Giddy Kipper (U10918464) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
Well, exactly, it's all very curious. Even, in the unlikely situation that an A&E had no drug tests ( which is pretty much unherad of, and if he went to any of the hospitals I know in Glos with A&Es its hightly unlikely) he can have a hair test done now, or could have had a urine or blood test done himself...........wouldn't you want to rule out illicit drugs if someone did have an episde like that, just to be on the safe side.
( I am devils advocating a bit, there may be more to this story that hasn't been reported for good reason, but on the face of it it seems very unlikely that it happened the way it has been reported...) -
Message 16
Posted by FowPah (U1746998) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
Well, exactly, it's all very curious. Even, in the unlikely situation that an A&E had no drug tests ( which is pretty much unherad of, and if he went to any of the hospitals I know in Glos with A&Es its hightly unlikely) he can have a hair test done now, or could have had a urine or blood test done himself...........wouldn't you want to rule out illicit drugs if someone did have an episde like that, just to be on the safe side.
( I am devils advocating a bit, there may be more to this story that hasn't been reported for good reason, but on the face of it it seems very unlikely that it happened the way it has been reported...)聽 I think I may get your reasoning and it could be that a drink wasn't spiked.He seems to have had tests to rule out neurological problems.I don't suspect a mental health problem but I suppose only those close to him and he himself may know the answer. -
Message 17
Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
Call me cynical but whenever someone claims their drink has been spiked I always ask myself some pretty big questions about who would do such a thing and precisely why.
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Message 18
Posted by BaraGwenith (U14257539) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
How funny would the OP have found it if he had been driving a car when he flipped?
Once up a time someone, we think our next-door neighbour, fed our two dogs something 'funny' and for several hours they went around like those mechanical toys which change direction when they hit an obstruction.
The vet was stumped when she examined them, and luckily they slept it off with no visible after-effects . -
Message 19
Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
...as well as how they did it without being spotted by someone.
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Message 20
Posted by The Giddy Kipper (U10918464) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
I can't think of any situation in which someone presenting with psychosis would not have a drug test before any other kind of physical test or an MRI or CAT scan......
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Message 21
Posted by FowPah (U1746998) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
The nearest I have had to that experience is when I was driving the family (including two kids) home after starting to feel unwell.I had to stop as I nearly passed out and luckily there was a doctors close by.I realised afterwards that I had had an allergic reaction to eating crab meat.We later laughed about it.You have to find humour in the dark places.I know I wouldn't be around any more if I hadn't retained a sense of humour over the years.
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Message 22
Posted by RichTeabiscuit (U2000482) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
There doesn't have to be a reason why. There are many amoeba-brained arseholes who will spike drinks just for a bit of a laugh. They seem to think it's harmless. A guy I knew donkey's years ago had his drink spiked with a substantial amount of LSD or some similar hallucinogenic substance -- last I heard, 5 years later he was still suffering massive psychotic flashbacks and his life had been totally destroyed.
Is there a funny side to any of that? -
Message 23
Posted by Gizmomoo (U10999499) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
Call me cynical but whenever someone claims their drink has been spiked I always ask myself some pretty big questions about who would do such a thing and precisely why.聽 Because he's successful, well spoken, well known and well off?
For some people any one of those is reason enough. One only has to hang around on the internet to find plenty of instances of people taking a dislike to someone for any of those reasons. On this occasion perhaps this dislike was taken one step futher. -
Message 24
Posted by FowPah (U1746998) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
Call me cynical but whenever someone claims their drink has been spiked I always ask myself some pretty big questions about who would do such a thing and precisely why.聽 Because he's successful, well spoken, well known and well off?
For some people any one of those is reason enough. One only has to hang around on the internet to find plenty of instances of people taking a dislike to someone for any of those reasons. On this occasion perhaps this dislike was taken one step futher.聽 I think the reason I had my drink spiked (on more than one occasion I may add) is because I am good looking and well known, allegedly. -
Message 25
Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
Like I say I'm probably cynical.
I do know of a local woman who complained of having her drink spiked on several occasions.
It seemed to me to be after she had behaved badly when hideously drunk.
Either someone was following her around doing this and taking huge risks of being caught for reasons I cannot quite fathom or maybe there was some other explanation?
I dunno - it's hard to see what that might be! -
Message 26
Posted by Mrs PPG (U14114383) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
Call me cynical but whenever someone claims their drink has been spiked I always ask myself some pretty big questions about who would do such a thing and precisely why.聽 Because he's successful, well spoken, well known and well off?
For some people any one of those is reason enough. One only has to hang around on the internet to find plenty of instances of people taking a dislike to someone for any of those reasons. On this occasion perhaps this dislike was taken one step futher.聽 I think the reason I had my drink spiked (on more than one occasion I may add) is because I am good looking and well known, allegedly. 聽 I'm intrigued! -
Message 27
Posted by RichTeabiscuit (U2000482) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
Why do you say 'huge risks of being caught'..? Spiking a drink can be done remarkably surreptitiously and is the work of seconds. Turn your back for a moment and someone can easily slip something hideous in your pint without anybody seeing a thing.
Like I said, there doesn't have to be any reason at all apart from a twisted sense of 'humour'. Think of it as a chemical form of random motiveless violence. -
Message 28
Posted by FowPah (U1746998) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
Call me cynical but whenever someone claims their drink has been spiked I always ask myself some pretty big questions about who would do such a thing and precisely why.聽 Because he's successful, well spoken, well known and well off?
For some people any one of those is reason enough. One only has to hang around on the internet to find plenty of instances of people taking a dislike to someone for any of those reasons. On this occasion perhaps this dislike was taken one step futher.聽 I think the reason I had my drink spiked (on more than one occasion I may add) is because I am good looking and well known, allegedly. 聽 I'm intrigued!聽 Nothing to be intrigued about.It is all in my head. -
Message 29
Posted by Mrs PPG (U14114383) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
Why do you say 'huge risks of being caught'..聽
Because the woman is meant to be lying. -
Message 30
Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
Why do you say 'huge risks of being caught'..? Spiking a drink can be done remarkably surreptitiously and is the work of seconds. Turn your back for a moment and someone can easily slip something hideous in your pint without anybody seeing a thing.
Like I said, there doesn't have to be any reason at all apart from a twisted sense of 'humour'. Think of it as a chemical form of random motiveless violence. 聽 ...in a public area such as a bar or pub?
with hundreds of stray eyes wandering randomly from every direction?
The chance of being spotted would surely be too high to justify a motiveless act like that.
Particularly to commit such a potentially serious offence. -
Message 31
Posted by FowPah (U1746998) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
It happens as I have experienced.In a club or pub late on where most people are drunk it takes seconds.
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Message 32
Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
What was the outcome?
Was the incident reported to the police and was the person responsible charged? -
Message 33
Posted by The Giddy Kipper (U10918464) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
>>Because the woman is meant to be lying. <<
The cases of drinks being spiked with drugs like GBH etc are very much less than they are claimed or suggested to be, but that doesn't always mean the people involved were lying, in most cases of alleged spiking the ubstance that the drink was 'spiked' with was alcohol......sometimes the person not knowing the strngth of the drink they were having or accepting drinks from other people and being given trebles instead of singles etc.
There was a whole harm reduction campaign once which resulted in us giving out bottle tops that you could reseal alco pop or beer type bottles with while you were dancing or having a wee or out for a smoke, but it turned out that didn't make much difference and the best advice was to be at the bar when someone is buying you a drink or just don't accept drinks from people you don't completely trust to buy you what you asked for -
Message 34
Posted by FowPah (U1746998) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
I was very ill both times and had difficulty standing up.Nothing like being drunk seriously, because I had not drunk anywhere near what I could have.I suspect it was a 'friend' both times (a few years apart) but didn't report it as there were so many people who could have done it as it was very busy.
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Message 35
Posted by RichTeabiscuit (U2000482) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
It happens as I have experienced.In a club or pub late on where most people are drunk it takes seconds.聽 Exactly. Such sleight of hand is remarkably easy, even when there are 'hundreds of stray eyes wandering randomly from every direction'.
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Message 36
Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
I suspect...聽
With respect all you are actually describing there is your suspicion. -
Message 37
Posted by RichTeabiscuit (U2000482) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
The chance of being spotted would surely be too high...聽 With respect, all you are actually describing there is your assumption.
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Message 38
Posted by FowPah (U1746998) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
I suspect...聽
With respect all you are actually describing there is your suspicion.聽 Well no not really.I have also spotted capsules at the bottom of my glass and avoided being spiked.There were a lot of drugs around at the time. -
Message 39
Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
I don't think that's an assumption so much as an observation.
Wouldn't the lengths someone would have to go to to add chemicals to your drink, the consequences of those chemicals seriously harming you and/or them being caught and the lack of any real motive make it seem much more likely that someone perhaps bought you doubles instead of singles?
Would you count that as spiking your drink?
(Personally I would call that highly irresponsible and dangerous but I don't think I would use the word 'spike' which implies to me the addition of an unknown substance with unexpected consequences) -
Message 40
Posted by RichTeabiscuit (U2000482) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
As I believe I've already said, the lengths someone would have to go to to add chemicals to your drink are actually very very little and involve nothing more than the introduction of something very small and visually insignificant, and would take no more than a second or two, and can easily be done in a manner which raises no suspicion whatsoever. It'd be a darned sight easier to slip an LSD tab into a drink than to tip a short into it.
And to my mind, the word 'spike' would encompass the introduction of any foreign substance into a drink without the knowledge or consent of the drink's owner, no matter what that substance might be -- in this case, the introduction of an extra unwanted shot of the same drink. If you ask someone for a single vodka with coke and they get you a double without your knowledge, they have effectively spiked your drink with an extra shot of vodka, knowing what the consequences to you could be. That makes them a complete b*st*rd, in my book. -
Message 41
Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
I agree with the last line of your post at least.
I would also change my mind somewhat and say that adding extra alcohol possibly IS spiking a drink in real terms, but I think very few people would see 'doubling' a single shot in those terms, particularly when the barman has just asked you as if it's a special treat for your friend, it's going to cost you more and he actually does the deed. -
Message 42
Posted by FleetingEileenM (U14106338) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
as there is no funny side, that shouldnt be hard to do.聽
Agreed. His own life and those of his wife and children were put in danger. Whatever that idiot spiked his drink with, it might have reacted badly with any medication Ben could have been taking, or indeed affected a medical condition. -
Message 43
Posted by Gizmomoo (U10999499) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
What if the person were driving Fat kid? Doubling up could/would take them over the limit wouldn't it?
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Message 44
Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
Absolutely Giz.
I believe it's a very dangerous and disrespectful practice and not something any true friend would ever do if they were thinking straight. -
Message 45
Posted by The Giddy Kipper (U10918464) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
>>but I think very few people would see 'doubling' a single shot in those terms, particularly when the barman has just asked you as if it's a special treat for your friend, it's going to cost you more and he actually does the deed.<<
I don't understand what that means? Do you mean if someone thinks they are doing you a favour by giving you more alcohol than you asked for? It's still spiking according to the NHS and the law. And people don't always do it for a treat....they do it cos they think they can rape or rob someone while they're drunk and the victim will get the blame...... -
Message 46
Posted by Mrs PPG (U14114383) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
.... especially when people will cast aspersions on that person and suggest they weren't spiked at all but it was their own choice (and therefore fault).
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Message 47
Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
>>but I think very few people would see 'doubling' a single shot in those terms, particularly when the barman has just asked you as if it's a special treat for your friend, it's going to cost you more and he actually does the deed.<<
I don't understand what that means? Do you mean if someone thinks they are doing you a favour by giving you more alcohol than you asked for? It's still spiking according to the NHS and the law. And people don't always do it for a treat....they do it cos they think they can rape or rob someone while they're drunk and the victim will get the blame......聽 You missed off this bit, Giddy Kipper:
I agree with the last line of your post at least.
I would also change my mind somewhat and say that adding extra alcohol possibly IS spiking a drink in real terms, but I think...聽
I think this should help you to understand what my whole post means, not just the bit you quoted. -
Message 48
Posted by The Giddy Kipper (U10918464) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
The bit I didn't understand was you saying no-one would see it in those terms because the person was paying for it and doing it......I don't understand, as in comprehend, what you mean by that, not that I don't agree with you...I don't get your point.
Who did you mean wouldn't see it as spiking? -
Message 49
Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
I actually said this:
I agree with the last line of your post at least.
I would also change my mind somewhat and say that adding extra alcohol possibly IS spiking a drink in real terms, but I think very few people would see 'doubling' a single shot in those terms, particularly when the barman has just asked you as if it's a special treat for your friend, it's going to cost you more and he actually does the deed.聽
Please read it carefully. -
Message 50
Posted by The Giddy Kipper (U10918464) on Thursday, 21st February 2013
Oh for goodness sake fat kid,why do you still have to do this? Is it beyond your comprehension that someone can just genuinally not understand what you meant by something?
There is no point keep showing me the post, I can see the post, all I asked was who you thought would not see it as spiking in the scanario you gave because I didn't understand who you meant, it wasn't a debateing device it was just a simple question........jeez
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