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GW Friday 12-11-2010
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Message 1.Â
Posted by Stressed out (U11163734) on Friday, 12th November 2010
The guide says
"In mid-November the summer garden is a distant memory, but that doesn't mean that gardeners should shut up shop until next spring. This is the last Gardeners' World this series and, although the pace of gardening over the winter is slower, there are still plenty of jobs to be getting on with while we are away. To that end Toby Buckland and Alys Fowler have ideas for how to make the most of gardens during the winter months.
It's time to give roses some well deserved attention before the cold really takes hold. Winter is the best time to order reasonably priced bare root roses too. Alys has recommendations for varieties which are not just grown for their flowers but also their berries and, due to their wilder nature, need less cosseting than their more highly bred cousins. Toby also shows how to shape up wayward climbers.
There are many great gardens to visit over the winter and at one of our most iconic 18th-century landscape gardens, Stourhead in Wiltshire, trees are very much a part of its past, its present and its future. Head gardener Alan Power gives a tour of some of his favourite historic trees and explains how he manages to maintain the character of this garden nearly 300 years after its inception.
Back at her garden, Glebe Cottage, Carol has ideas for ways to propagate plants now to add to gardens next spring."
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Message 2
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Friday, 12th November 2010
Well I was rather sad to watch the last programme and I rather enjoyed it. My wife and I visited Stourhead a couple of Christmases ago and loved it, I also enjoyed the lady with the rose garden. Still not a patch compared to it's former greatness but not too bad. It looks like we can expect some one hour specials in the near future.
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Message 3
Posted by Toadspawn (U2334298) on Friday, 12th November 2010
Well I watched it and was disappointed again.
I suppose someone will replant the rose planted by Toby and at least leave the label visible rather than burried under the soil.
When did all that decking appear?
What has happened to all the plants which were planted in the stone wall around the pond?
Why DO they keep Alys on as a presenter? -
Message 4
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Saturday, 13th November 2010
Once again I found myself quite enjoying the programme (with the usual reservations). Toby deals with subjects which normal gardeners face on a regular basis, and should be congratulated for this. If it hadn't been for his embarrassing introduction to GW, I'd probably be quite happy with him. The novelty of Alys has long worn off, and the more she gains in confidence, the less watchable she becomes. Carol continues to worry me when she chortles at all the wrong times, but this lunacy apart, is probably worthy of a spot if only for her undoubted knowledge. Give Joe his own design programme (anything to get him off GW), and then we'll see how popular he really is. The camerawork has also improved out of all recognition this year, and we should be gracious enough to acknowledge this also. As long as the plonkers behind the camera don't come up with any more whizzing initiatives over the 'close season', I might even look forward to the next series.
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Message 5
Posted by PenylanSue (U13901201) on Saturday, 13th November 2010
Toadspawn, Toby will probably leave the label buried the same as I do and then write a much nicer label for show. The labels turn up later, still legible when you want to redesign and the show label has disappeared. I also keep a list in the house (when I remember).
If the plant dies and you've forgotten about it you are reminded of what was once there and maybe not to plant one again.
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Message 6
Posted by happytobyfan (U13663471) on Saturday, 13th November 2010
When did all that decking appear?Â
I often think 'When did .that appear' about lots of things, when the camera whizzes past flower beds, etc to show a small area that Toby's working on.
I wish, at some point next year, we could have a proper look at the area as a whole. I understant it's made up of different sections, not 'a garden' as such, but it would be interesting to see how, what was a totally blank canvas, has developed. AT did it with his garden, and Beechgrove did it with theirs, at the beginning of the year.
Being a massive Rose fan, I also loved the section on Roses. Blighty had one of the Hour Specials, presented by Rachel De Thame, on Roses. It was excellent.
It would be nice to see Rachel back on GW. -
Message 7
Posted by Colin (U2252951) on Saturday, 13th November 2010
Signifying the end of gardening for the year I suppose. Nothing for it but to break out the DVD of Victorian Kitchen Garden and enjoy a ´óÏó´«Ã½ program before it was dumbed-down.
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Message 8
Posted by ArtemisH (U14261033) on Saturday, 13th November 2010
I found it equally disappointing, Toadspawn.
I have no doubt they all know their stuff but, as far I am concerned, the only one who can communicate it, and BRILLIANTLY at that, is Carol.
GW would be, to me, unwatchable without Carol.
Unfortunately, Toby has no presence and lacks in self-assurance.
It is so painfully embarrassing when those of, evidently, very limited academic knowledge (though obviously experts in ther field), decide to flaunt their would-be erudition. In the usual manner of CB and one-O Level- Alan, Toby gave us the "Latin" name of the smelly, phallically shaped titan.
Please, Toby!
One day I shall grow either too irritated by these sad people or perhaps too generous, and buy them a Liddell and Scott Lexicon each!
Yet another thing that makes me appreciate Carol so much, is that she never talks such ignorant nonsense; neither did MD, as far as I recall.
Alys often deals with interesting matters; however, I do find the way she enunciates every word she utters, rather patronising.
Let's hope they will all improve by next season; even I! -
Message 9
Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Sunday, 14th November 2010
But I find Carol so over the top it is annoying-she may know her stuff but I really dont need such enthusiam and why is she always filmed away from the main garden- is there a bit of tension there?
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Message 10
Posted by Yakram (U2443370) on Sunday, 14th November 2010
As many of the 'seasoned' gardeners on these boards know, November is the START of the gardening year and in reality it is one of the busiest preparation times in the gardening calendar. Time for instance, to order new seeds, repair things that need repairing, plan new beds, features, etc., prepare the onion bed, the bean trench, the growing area, etc. etc., these being only a few of the jobs that need doing during the winter in preparation for the exciting new growing season ahead. So what happens to GW and the team? They all go into a dormouse-like hibernation, giving the impression to new and inexperienced gardeners that they need not go out into the garden until Easter. If they wish to attract the younger keen gardeners, this is not the way to do it.
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Message 11
Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Monday, 15th November 2010
Hello Yakram,
You are missing the point, TV is entertainment and they have to get all the usual winter "Entertainment" in so all else ends.
That was tongue in cheek but true of the planners and presenters, when Strictly became "entertainment " rather than a danceing show they lost me .
Gardening is all year round and as you say Autumn the important preparation time. All bare patches are cleaned and dug over for the frost to do its magic many seeds are sown at this time of year, plants for Christmas woken up and given TLC indoor plants to see to in these darker days, we can be just as busy as any other time of the year. but, TV has its schedules and have to compete with each other for the Autumn viewers so it will always be thus.
With all the free view channels I do not see why we can not have a winter gardening programme do you.
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Message 12
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Monday, 15th November 2010
Yakram and Frank are right to emphasise the importance of maintaining some gardening presence throughout the winter months. I've suggested in the past that this would be a wonderful opportunity for 'real' gardeners (as opposed to our normal TV poseurs) to present a low-budget series, which would concentrate on the many 'non-glamour' jobs that keep things moving over the long winter months. I'm always guilty myself of backsliding during this spell, and such a programme would surely act as a prompt to get off my backside and get on with some of the unglamourous winter tasks. It would also be interesting to look at some of the mysterious little seedlings that appear in early spring, when decisions have to be made as to whether they're friend or foe. My wife is always accusing me of clearing many of her favourites from the garden, and watching how others deal with this aspect would be interesting.
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Message 13
Posted by Sparky (U6716422) on Monday, 15th November 2010
I agree. Gardeners don't stop this time of the year, lots to do and much planning to get under way. It would be interesting to see what some of the talented Head Gardeners, for instance, are doing in their gardens right now and what they are planning for next year etc.
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Message 14
Posted by ArtemisH (U14261033) on Tuesday, 16th November 2010
these being only a few of the jobs that need doing during the winter in preparation for the exciting new growing season aheadÂ
I, personally, try to pretend that the entire garden needs its winter sleep, as I have always been the fine weather gardener; and, even then, only when I can fit it in. So, GW, from now till February, could not possibly give me any inspiration, if it tried!
However, for those who interested, perhaps the following link might help.
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