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听听Inside Out - North East: Monday February 9, 2007
Football web chat
Joe Allon
"We should still be up there聟but look at the England team today and it's virtually a Geordie free zone. Why?"...
Joe Allon

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Football's heartland?

Alan Shearer, Jackie Milburn, Gazza and Bobby Charlton are just some of the North East's football legends.

Our region has traditionally been a hotbed of footballing talent.

For decades English football's beating heart belonged in the North East of England.

So why is the England team virtually a Geordie free zone?

And where are the Geordie legends of the future?

Former Newcastle United striker Joe Allon answers your questions and reacts to your comments in our big web debate.

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Q. Clearly your understanding of 'the North East' includes only Tyneside. Mr Allon failed to mention the Boro Academy which has a superb record of producing first class players.

You might remember that in season 05-06, Boro fielded a Premiership squad of 15 players away to Fulham.

Fourteen of them were from the Academy (all under 23 years), the other was Colin Cooper, a former Boro YTS trainee, which meant that every member of that squad was born within 25 miles of Teesside.

The current England team may be short of Geordies, but it can still put out two Boro' born players Woodgate and Downing.

In short the Boro has got it right, the Geordies have got it wrong.

Oh, will you please tell Mr Allon that the North East extends from the Tees to the Tweed.
Alan Bell, Stockton on Tees

A. Apologies for that but if you look, we also fail to mention Sunderland. This was a 12 minute piece - so we used Newcastle as an example because of: 1) my links with the club; and 2) my son being at the Academy since being eight-years-old.

Q. Most commentators would say that Newcastle, Sunderland, Middlesbrough, Hartlepool and Darlington were North East teams, so why concentrate your report only on one of them?

I would also like to point out that last week's England game involved two Boro born and current Boro players. Also Boro I believe have players representing England at every level at the moment and are generally acknowledged as being a club that is:
a) producing local talent through its academy and b) giving them a chance at the highest level, e.g the last game of last season .v. Fulham.

Only this week Boro chairman Steve Gibson was in the media suggesting other clubs need to do more to further the England's team chances in future, in much the same way as Trevor Brooking is.

As someone who played for quite a few seasons at Hartlepool I am surprised at your Newcastle bias - the North East is a region and it does not revolve around one small part of it that bridges the River Tyne!
Gary Treen

A. See above... It's fantastic also that Middlesbrough have got their youth development on track - great to see their youngsters coming through, but again, as Newcastle United's youth team are in the 6th round of the FA Youth Cup, we found it more consistent to stick with one club.

Also bear in mind Newcastle's team have five players having come through the ranks involved in the first team squad.

Q. Like many 1,000聮s of Boro fans I am astounded by Joe Allon聮s article on the 大象传媒 Sports website聟

You Newcastle-centric folks have again failed to realise that Middlesbrough is in the North East... and do you know what 10 of the 11 Boro players who started the last game of last season have in common?
Steve Budd, Thailand

A. I think I've answered this one above, Steve. Thanks for your comments.

Q. Hey Joe. Do you think too many foreign players are killing the English game?

Should we be surprised at the state of the lack of North East talent when most teams field a team 90% of foreign players?
Barry, Durham

A. Yes, I certainly do think it's a valid point. Also, the England team must be suffering because English players aren't getting enough first team action because of foreign players.

Q. Hi Joe, Thought your piece was excellent and was good to see you have never lost you're turn of speed.

In Washington at the southern area playing fields there are still no showers or even enough changing rooms for the amount of pitches, hardly encouraging for young ones to play on a cold day to have to gan home covered in clarts freezing.
All the best mate.
Peter Elliott

A. Again, a valid point as it's up to the FA and councils to put facilities in place. Thanks for your comments, Peter.

Jonathan Woodgate c/o PA Images
Don't forget Boro's stars - Jonathan Woodgate stands out.
Photo - PA Images

Q. (You) said there is no Geordies in the England squad. However if you look a bit further at Middlesbrough, we have had two Teesside born players in the England squad (Downing and Woodgate) who are still young and we also have one of the best youth teams in the country.

So do you think Boro has done could be copied by other teams in England?
Jamie Sample, Middlesbrough

A. With the exception of Michael Carrick, who was born in Wallsend, I do realise that there are two Boro players in the England squad, but I wouldn't be shouting from the rooftops about the performance that England gave last Wednesday night against Spain.

But, I do agree that the Boro has one of the best set-ups for youth and I think are an excellent example to other clubs.

Q. Areet, Joe. I'm 15 and played for Burradon for 5 years and haven't had a sniff at getting' scouted. It's really hard. I know I have the potential - can u give me any advice? From a Geordie 2 a Geordie.
Chris Turnbull

A. Keep plugging away. If you have the talent, I am sure you will not slip through the net. Keep practising and never stop believing in yourself.

My determination to succeed was that I wanted it more than anyone else.

Scouts will be watching - sometimes you may not be aware that they're there. All the best, Chris.

Q. If one thing could be done to help make the North East into a hot bed of football talent again, what would you suggest?
Susan, Heaton

A. Certainly the introduction of 11-a-side football rather than five-a-side would help at an early age.

Q. Hiya Joe, My name's Paul Gaskin and I also used to play on that said piece of grass in between Donvale Road and the avenues (your little Wembley). In fact I remember seeing you play on there.

I don't think grass roots football is dying in the North East - my son plays in the Russel Foster league under 10's on a Saturday morning down at the Northumbria Centre in Washington.

It seems to be booming down there with all of the pitches full (about 20+ matches) and some real young talent on show.

This wasn't the case when I was young there was nothing like this as far as I can remember around the Usworth/Donwell area.

Anyway take care mate and I'll see you in 'Wessy' for a pint.
Paul Gaskin (somewhere in Norwegian waters)

A. Nice to hear from you Paul - hope you keep your head above the water. Glad that the game's in good heart for your son - tell him to stick in.

Q. Who are the best North Easterners never to have played for England in your opinion, Joe?
Mark, Newcastle

A. Brian 'Pop' Robson, the ex-Newcastle and Sunderland player, has got to be the best player never to have represented the country from this area.

I believe he scored 257 league and cup goals in a career spanning over 25 years.

Q. Do you think the whole academy system makes it easier or harder for young players to break through into the big-time?

Does this system kill off creativity and real skill by providing a very formula-driven approach to the game?

Surely kids learning football skills on the streets of Brazil are proof that it's street where the heart of the game lies - not in some regulated academy?
Gerald, Heaton

A. I can agree with that - I think there's a time for coaching when a youngster is 13 or 14, but they must be allowed to enjoy their football up till then.

In the words of the great Zinedine Zidane who said, 'thank the lord, I wasn't discovered by a coach till I was 15. I learned my football on the streets and without that, I wouldn't have become the player I am'.

Q. Who do you think is the all-time best Geordie or North East player at international level - past or present?
Pauline, Red Row

A. Being consistent I would have to say Peter Beardsley from Newcastle, Dave Watson from Sunderland, and Jonathan Woodgate from the Boro - to keep all our North East clubs happy.

Michael Carrick c/o Getty Images
Rising star - Geordie Michael Carrick. Photo - Getty Images

Q. Joe, I spotted in your biog that you were born in 1966, the year of England's greatest ever triumph in the World Cup.

Do you think this question of top flight English players is actually a bigger one - are England - not just the North East - producing the top flight players who can compete at the highest level?

Just look at England's dismal World Cup performance last year... what is needed to make the England team great again?
Colin, Spennymoor

A. Certainly getting a manager that can do the job would be the first thing, and also clubs up and down the country giving their exceptional youngsters the chance to play in the first team instead of the many foreign players that are at every club.

I agree that foreign players have a place in the English game, but I'd like to see a cap on the numbers playing in each team - maybe two or three.

As regards McLaren, he would be better advised to work on his tactics than the false smile he gives at every English press conference!

Q. Joe - what were the high and low points of your career - and were you disappointed not to have played for your country?
John, Gateshead

A. High points... certainly scoring in a number nine shirt at St James' cannot be bettered.

Also, winning the North East footballer of the Year in 1991.

The low point was having to retire from injury at the age of 33 - it was like losing a limb.

Fortunately I did represent England at under 19 level, but would have loved to have represented the full squad.

Q. Does it matter how many Geordies are in the England team? Isn't the game played out on an international stage today, making local allegiances less important?
Tony, Gateshead

A. In my opinion, and this is bias, the North East is the best area in the country so why should we not have as many as possible in the England set-up?

And again, if England are that good without North East representation, we couldn't do any worse than the current crop.

Q. Do you think more Lottery money should go to supporting Boys' Clubs and other football facilities for kids?
Bill, Felling

A. Yes, Trevor Brooking touched on this in his piece.

Certainly, his thoughts were that the FA would be helping in funding local boys' clubs and facilities.

As an example, the fantastic facility at Ashington (which we visited) is FA funded.

Q. Hi Joe. I would like to know how it is that so few of our academy players are now local lads?

Is developing an academy about bringing through local players or bringing through players that won聮t cost the first team any money, if they were to eventually make it that far? There is a difference!!

As a coach of young players, I watch so many talented local lads go on to professional clubs outside the area 聳 so what do those clubs see that ours doesn聮t?
Steve Lowes, Newcastle

Alan Shearer c/o Getty Images
Who will be the next Alan Shearer? Photo - Getty Images

A. It's a shame when players from the area slip through the net, but certainly after speaking to Glenn Roeder and seeing the scouting system he is putting in place at Newcastle, he knows how vitally important it is to have local players in his side.

He has proven this by including Harper, Ramage, Taylor, Edgar and Huntington in the first team.

But, as you know Steve, if you get one or two coming through the Academy, statistics have proven that that is a success.

It may seem low but in the youth team of my day, when we won the FA Youth Cup, we had nine players that represented the first team from that squad.

And I don't think that many players would be allowed to come through with the pressure of money and the success rate required nowadays.

I don't think a manger would be allowed to put his hat on a youngster when he's pressurised to go out and spend 拢10 million on a player that would bring instant success - not that that is a guarantee that the player would be any better!

Q. It's obvious that coaching at grassroots level is not what it was. My big concern is the attitude of coaches and the suppression of individual flair.

I believe all kids at a junior level should express themselves on the ball and develop skills using both feet.

Coaches should also create an environment where all kids have a role to play. They must remember "it's about the kids, not the coaches".
Alan Mitchell

A. Totally agree with you, Alan, that there is a role for youngsters to be coached at a certain age - say, 13 or 14 - as players develop at different times.

As an example, Paul Gascoigne never showed at 14 what he did at 17 - and went on to be world class.

Kids mature mentally and physically at different ages so we shouldn't write them off.

As another example, Chris Waddle was 19 before he was discovered at Newcastle and Peter Beardsley never signed for Newcastle until he was 21.

Both went on to play over 50 times for England.

Q. Hello Joe. Do you agree that a system should be put in place to ensure local clubs get first chance to develop local talent, then nurture them into England players?

Local players these days at youth level seem to be identified by clubs from other parts of the country before our own teams, leading to players like Alan Nesbitt being snapped up to develop in London while being a Geordie through and through.

Look forward to your views on this Joe.
Nez (Usworth Club)

A. Bearing in mind you have to face Ian Bogie in a forthcoming match, I've got one thing to say to you Nez - all the best. You'll need it!!

Q. Hi Joe. First off I'm a Brentford fan and I would like to say thanks for the time you gave us in the 90's - especially the Anglo-Italian cup when you seemed to excel.

It was fun to come and watch you, just a shame we didn't give you the support at club level

Do you think that one of the problems is that when a kid hears that generally a club like Newcastle will produce only one player a season from the Academy, they will then think "what's the point"? Are they just not hungry enough?

Is there a problem at Newcastle being too "ambitious" and wanting success now, by paying big money for certain players they are ignoring the 'local talent'.

This policy has to date not worked and so why don't the Geordies make it known that they are to change the policy and invest in youth - it seems to be paying off at teams like Middlesbrough and West Ham.

Unfortunately do you not think this is a national problem, money breeds success so buy now worry later?
Gary Curant

A. Thanks for this Gary - I enjoyed playing for Brentford even though they did play in red and white. Knowing my allegiance to the Geordies, I hope you find that funny!

I think I might have answered your question earlier when I said that Glenn Roeder is bringing on young players coming through the ranks up to first team level - and this is a good thing for the club.

In terms of Newcastle being too ambitious, we have set our standards over the last few years, finishing 4th, 5th and 6th under Sir Bobby in the Premiership. And that is the standard we must aim for.

If a player is good enough, he is good enough, wherever he is from.

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