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Inside Out - North East & Cumbria: Monday September 1, 2003

SMOKING BAN LOOMS

Women smoking
Should smoking be banned in public places?

As the anti-smoking lobby grows, many pubs and restaurants are thinking about banning smoking. Inside Out looks at whether North Easterners will be fuming mad if no smoking bans get the go-ahead.

It's enough to make smokers fuming mad, but plans to bring American style no smoking bars to the North East could save thousands of lives.

120,000 smokers die every year of smoking-related diseases such as lung cancer and heart attacks, six times the number killed in road accidents.

The North East of England is one of the worst offenders with 30% of the population lighting up compared with 27% in the country as a whole.

Now the region could be the first in Britain to impose smoking bans in bars and public places if local Health Authorities have their way.

Declaring war on tobacco?

Woman smoking
Smoking in public places could be a thing of the past

According to the World Health Organisation, one out of every two long-term smokers will be killed by tobacco.

From 1985-2000, tobacco has killed more than 60 million people in the developed countries alone, more than died in World War Two.

In the North East it's a similar story with one of the worst mortality rates from smoking-related illnesses in the UK.

In the North East 85 men and 44 women per 100,000 contract lung cancer each year compared to the national average of 72 men and 35 women per 100,000.

Snuffed Out

The Northumberland, Tyne and Wear Strategic Health Authority is concerned about the statistics, and has applied for 拢5m in European funding to set up an Office For Tobacco Control.

Dr Stephen Singleton, Head of the the Strategic Health Authority, thinks that a smoking ban is likely to happen in the North East within the next five years.

"I think that we could be the first region to ban smoking. We've got a big problem with smoking with about 30% smokers, higher than the national average," he says.

"We know that there's a majority of people would would think about a ban and would possibly support it."

Smoke-Free Zone?

But what would be the effect of declaring war on tobacco in the North East, and would smokers be happy to comply with any ban on smoking in public places?

Inside Out decided to find out. We asked the Medical School at the University of Newcastle to carry out a public opinion survey into smoking in public places.

The results make for intriguing reading, and suggest that the majority of people would be supportive of an overall smoking ban in public places.

Sixty-three percent of North Easterners surveyed supported a ban.

An overwhelming majority of 83% agreeing with a ban in restaurants and cafes.

The main reasons people gave in support of a ban were:

  • to improve their own health - 31%
  • to improve the health of others - 36%
  • to reduce unpleasant smells - 25%
  • to prevent environmental damage - 6%
SMOKING
BAN?

Overall smoking ban:
Yes: 63%
No: 33%
Don't Know: 4%

Pubs and Clubs:
Yes: 37%
No: 57%
Don't Know: 6%

Restaurants and cafes:
Yes: 83%
No: 16%
Don't know: 1%

Shopping Malls:
Yes: 72%
No: 26%
Don't know: 2%

Outside places:
Yes: 23%
No: 74%
Don't know: 3%

At home:
Yes: 27%
No: 70%
Don't know: 3%

At work:
Yes: 72%
No: 23%
Don't know: 4%

Source: Survey by the Medical School at the University of Newcastle

But a third of people in the survey said that they would oppose a ban. The 'no' lobby was especially strong from smokers, 56% of whom opposed an overall ban.

The main reasons given were that it was a breach of civil liberties (19%), they were active smokers (14%) and smoking bans would not be enforceable (5%).

The City That Never Smokes

The North East isn't the first place to consider banning smoking in public places.

California was one of the first places to introduce a no smoking policy five years ago. Other American states like Delaware and Maryland have followed.

In March 2003, New York's Mayor introduced a controversial smoking ban in the city's 20,000 bars, clubs and and restaurants.

This was despite resistance from bar proprietors and the city's 1.3 million smokers.

Bars that flout the ban are liable to fines of $400. Inside Out travelled to New York to investigate whether the smoking ban was having the desired effect in cutting smoking.

The Big Smoke

Reaction to the smoking ban in New York has been mixed. Some businesses claim that trade is down and that smokers are deserting bars in droves.

New York street scene
New York - the city's streets look like ash trays

Others say that that the effect on businesses has been minimal although smokers are now going out onto the streets to enjoy a smoke.

This has led to problems of noise in residential areas and complaints about the growing heap of cigarette butts outside venues.

There is some evidence that smokers are staying home or indulging in behind-doors smoking sessions in hotel rooms.

It's probably too soon to assess the full impact of the ban in New York particularly on businesses.

In California, where the ban has been in place much longer, there's evidence that bar sales haven't been affected.

No smoking sign
This sign could become a regular addition in North East pubs and cafes

Seventy-three percent of Californians now support the ban as opposed to 65% when it was first introduced.

Smoke and the City

Back in Britain, we decided to try out a smoking ban for one night at the Magnesia Bank pub in North Shields.

Despite high hopes, it was not a runaway success. Several regular drinkers turned away when they saw that they couldn't smoke, others stood outside and fumed quietly!

Manager Richard Slade is concerned that a smoking ban would be difficult to police with managers being left to enforce it.

SMOKING -
THE BIG DEBATE

Pro the ban:
Smoking bans can help to reduce tobacco consumption.

Second-hand smoke is a serious hazard for staff working in bars and restaurants.

Smoking is a greater cause of death and disability than any other single disease (World Health Organisation).

Non smokers should not have to get smelly and breathe in smoke.

Smoking bans are a key to reducing smoking and health problems.

Against the ban:
Smoking bans are an infringement of civil liberties.

A smoking ban can have a detrimental effect on trade in bars and restaurants.

No smoking bars are no fun.

A smoking ban will kill the pub trade.

Bars and restaurants have to police the 'no smoking' regulations, and this can lead to friction with customers.

Smoking bans stigmatise smokers.

Why jeopardise smokers and not drinkers - both are bad for your health.

Slade believes that better pub ventilation is the answer to providing clean air and keeping smokers happy.

He's also concerned that irate smoking customers could get aggressive with bar staff.

It's a fear borne out from experiences in New York where a Manhattan bouncer was killed earlier this year when he tried to enforce the tough new anti-smoking laws.

A Breath of Fresh Air?

More cities and regions in the UK are looking at the idea of smoking bans with the aim of cutting down smoking- related diseases.

In August 2003 Pizza Hut became the first major UK restaurant chain to ban smoking in all its eating places.

Its goal in snuffing out smoking was to protect its customers and staff from the dangers of passive smoking.

On Tyneside there are already signs of diminishing tolerance towards smoking in public places.

In 1998 Newcastle Playhouse became the first theatre in the country to ban smoking in its foyer bar.

At first smokers complained vociferously - now they stand in line smoking in the car park.

Should smoking be banned in bars and pubs?

YES
66%

No
33%

The great Smoke Vote does not claim to be a representative sample of the population and is indicative only.

Cafe 21 and Blackfriars in Newcastle, and Sidneys in Tynemouth are just some of the new breed of 'no smoking' restaurants.

Shopping malls are also increasingly introducing smoking bans without an adverse effect on economic performance.

The Metro Centre in Gateshead is to ban smoking from January 2004.

It's a trend that many more malls, bars and restaurants are set to follow.

But how will smokers react in a region renowned for its smoking and drinking culture?

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Ron
smoking is hazordous to the smoker's health as well as the others, as u know. I dont see why its not permanently banned. I'm a 17 year old high school student and would like to know why it hasnt been banned completely yet. is it because there are too many smokers that will oppose or because it just is impossible.

Ross Johnson
Smoking should certainly be banned in public places. It is a habit which smokers inflict on others in what is a shared, communal space. The fact is that there are serious health implications arising from smoking which we should simply not tolerate.

I am slightly confused as to the premise of this news item. What power is there to ban smoking in the North East? Local authorities certainly have no such power. To be effective, a smoke free public places policy would need to be strategically phased in through both primary and secondary legislation. I sincerely hope that this will happen sooner rather than later.

Darcy Brown
Some thoughts about the Against the ban comments: Smoking bans are an infringement of civil liberties.

- If a smoker in possession of the actual facts about the risks of smoking, (a rare thing)that wants to smoke alone or in the presence of other smokers ONLY, they should be allowed to smoke. This however would rule out the majority of public places. Non-smokers have 'civil liberties' to -namely the right to breathe clean air air not heavy with Class A carcinogens.

A smoking ban can have a detrimental effect on trade in bars and restaurants.

-A review of studies looking into the effects on trade on introducing smoking bans, (Scollo et al, 2003) found that the only results pointing to a negative effect on trade were studies funded by tobacco companies. ALL other research pointed to either a positive increase in trade or no change.

Tobacco companies use scare tactics to frighten hospitality venues out of introducing bans -despite the fact that 3/4 of the population do not smoke and welcome such change, bringing more business than could ever be lost.

Bars and restaurants have to police the 'no smoking' regulations, and this can lead to friction with customers.

- yes a minority will cause problems, change is like that and having worked in the hospitality industry I have a good knowledge of just how offensive people can be when asked to change their patterns of behaviour.

Consider two examples -buses and the cinema - both introduced bans and everyone said they'd be broke soon after, neither went broke, customers accepted the change however reluctantly and moved on with life.

David Landes
Smoking should be banned in enclosed public spaces, why should people who do not smoke have to have their health and the health of their children put at risk by others.

Ken, County Durham
As a health professional who throughout my career i have had to deal with the effects of smoking on individuals and families, i would strongly support a ban on smoking in all public spaces.

The evidence of the damage that passive smoking can cause is fast becoming irrefutable, and as the latest adverts from the department of health shows this is especially the case when children are exposed to smoke.

There is now a huge range of help provided free to people who want to quit smoking available through your own doctor or health centre so there is a way out for those who feel that they are being a persecuted minority. They have a chance to join the majority and make smoking an even smaller minority by taking the help that is there and quit smoking.

There is a lot of evidence to show that banning smoking in pubs and clubs does not result in a reduction in trade in the longer term. The excuse often given about the danger to staff in trying to enforce any ban i feel is bogus.

Would licencees etc not stop illegal drug taking in their premisies on the same logic? the evidence and experience shows that this activity carries with it a long history of violence.

Andy, Newcastle upon Tyne
As a typical indignant ex-smoker I have to say I totally agree with a ban of smoking in enclosed public places. Either that or smokers should have to pay for the expensive air-purification devices out of their own pockets - "you can smoke, but it'll cost you a tenner per cigarette!" :-).

Seriously, why should I have to contribute (through higher prices) towards public places purifying the air polluted by selfish smokers? As far as I'm concerned, the more socially unacceptable they make smoking, the easier it is to give up.

Don't get me wrong, if the majority want to smoke in a particular pub, let them - I'll go somewhere else. But the majority *do* want a ban, which means before long, whether you like it or not, there'll be less and less public places where you're allowed to smoke - that's democracy.

Bill Gibson
I watched the programme with interest, the article is fair and balanced. However I do not favour an outright ban as I agree with the comments that it would be very hard to enforce.

I have in recent weeks researched the problem and have found a solution that would suit everyone. This is a very special triple action filtration system that is used in Airport Smoking Areas in all BAA Airports that can be adapted to suit bars etc.

Dominic Learwood
An all out ban would be to far, however banning smoking in public places where family are allowed, thats a different story.



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