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States Reform

Paper being put into a ballot box

No Change for States

By Ryan Morrison
The States of Jersey have been debating electoral reform and most of the proposals were rejected.

Reform of the States of Jersey has been one of the hottest issues in the island for the last few years.

Various propositions have been put forward for debate, consultation and vote in and outside the States Chamber.

On Tuesday 1 and Wednesday 2 May 2007 the States voted on the latest round of propositions put forward by Deputy Southern, Deputy Fondre and Senator Shenton.

The core debate was over the proposals made by Privileges and Procedures committee a few weeks ago.

Ben Shenton

The proposals take Senator Ben Shenton鈥檚 original proposals as their base but instead of call for a general election day and a four year term of office they would see an election period with eight Senators, 37 Deputies and twelve Constables.

Senator Ben Shenton told us before the debate "What I want to try and achieve is a four year term of office with a general election so we can really get the razzmatazz going, get people involved so they can feel like they can really make a change.

"I think you will get a much better turnout and get more people involved, it will be much easier to explain to people that this is Jersey, we have local elections, we have them every four years and everyone gets elected."

No Reform

Inside the States Chamber

The debate on reform of the States became a sequence of defeats.

One of the things the original consultation paper called for was a referendum on States reform to give the public a chance to have their say.

That proposal, to have a referendum on the future make up of the States, was defeated 14 votes to 37.

The Privileges and Procedures Committee鈥檚 amendments to Senator Shenton鈥檚 proposals were defeated which left Senator Shenton鈥檚 original proposals in tact.

However, the vote on Senator Shenton鈥檚 original proposals were thrown out by the States as well.

Other amendments by Deputy Geoff Southern and Deputy Alan Breckon also failed to gain support.

No Constables

Constable Derek Gray (from States Assembly)

Deputy Southern鈥檚 amendments called for the abolition of the right of the Constables to be members of the States by virtue of their office.

Deputy Southern鈥檚 proposals for States reform were rejected by 45 votes to four.

In his summing up, Deputy Geoff Southern made the tongue in cheek point that ability not tradition should determine whether Constables sit in the States.

Deputy Geoff Southern told the States "the day when the average age on those benches is, let us say 29 and the average IQ is 157 will be a day I would love to see."

General Election Day

Voters in polling booths on election day
Voters in polling booths on election day

Deputy John le Fondre brought a proposition to that house calling for a single election day with all States members elected at the same time. This was lost 42 votes to eight.

The Deputy also wanted politicians to have to choose whether they would stand as a Senator, Deputy or a Constable.

Senator Phillip Ozouf said this would be unworkable.

Senator Ozouf said "It will be a complete car crash of an election, it just will not work.

"Members of the public will not know who standing for which office - there may well be a slate of probably something like 20 people standing with an individual elector having to choose from 12 people."

Ballot Boxes
Ballot Boxes

Senators, Deputy鈥檚 and then Constables

Deputy Alan Breckon lodged an amendment asking for Senators and Deputies to be elected on the same day and Constables in a second election shortly thereafter. This was defeated 13 votes to 36.

The only reform

The only proposition for reform that was accepted by States members was a limit on election expenses in Jersey.

The States agreed to set a cap on how much election candidates can spend during a campaign.

Over to You

Callers to the 大象传媒 Jersey phone-in and people commenting on bbc.co.uk/jersey have said they鈥檙e not surprised at the lack of reform but are disappointed.

One caller to the 大象传媒 Jersey Phone-in was so disillusioned with the States of Jersey鈥檚 ability to reform themselves he was calling for a revolution.

Who Really Cares?
Who Really Cares?

Si said "We stand no chance of getting any change at all in the States of Jersey and the way they're elected while the current lot are in.

"Unfortunately without reform we stand very little chance of getting the current lot out so we're in a catch 22 situation.

"Fortunately I have the solution. Revolution - the people of Jersey need to unite and force the States to reform themselves in whatever way necessary using whatever means necessary."

Here is another comment, this time from Michael "The States astound me. A few years ago, they voted (generally) in favour of the Clothier reforms.

"Today (Tuesday), they indicated that they didn't want to make any changes. Reform without any change seems to be a good motto for them. No wonder the population has lost confidence in the States."

Do you agree with the comments above? Is reform really necessary, are the States right to leave things as they are or should more be done to change the make-up of the islands parliament?

The Privileges and Procedures Committee will have to come back to the States with more proposals.

What would you like to see in those proposals? Were the States right in rejecting a call for a referendum or would you have liked to have a direct say on reform?

last updated: 03/05/07
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bob
you coul'nt get frank and terry out with a crowbar!there probably living in the states chambers, bet terry has to make tea!

Brian Le Fondr茅
I think that Senator Jim Perchard's States'reform proposal that there should be 48 Deputies in the States on a parish/constituency basis comes close to the ideal system for Jersey. However, I would suggest that these elected Deputies should have an island wide mandate just like our existing Senators, but all elected on the same day to serve a term of 4 years.It's high time that we had a referendum on this subject and then the States could stop 'pussy footing' around and get on with the job of running the island in a professional manner.

che
why should sitting members who came to office by a small majority wish to simplify the present procedures and encourage the populace to vote - what is in it for them?

jo
The states dont what us to vote Jersey belongs to the people ! its a person right to vote VIVE LA JERSEY! its all about money mm... phone mask

Peter
They honestly belive that it is only a small minority want change that most of the population are happy with things as they are because there social circle as told them so

Dai from La Rocque
The populus should unite anden bloc thousands upon Islands should organise a sit in day after today until the Government relent. If they don't it will bring them to their knees. Ideally we want evolution not revolution but the latter must be implemented if the former does not work! Vive la Jersey

Ben
Disgraceful - how on earth do those in power expect us to vote -what for? \its not just the hopeless standard of debate, it's not just the turning down of the possible electoral reforms - its the fact that there is no stomach in our government to make things more democratic. 15 elections needed to get rid of the useless lot of them -thats what I heard on the radio today!! Democratic????? Its LUNACY

Martyn
Well there we are, its obvious, the States dont want the public to have a say. They want to run the island the way they want it, and thats probably why they kicked so many proposals out.

A Revolution is certainly in order, couldnt agree more! If you think about, it is possible. With such a small population, we only need the majority of people to say no to somthing and the states would have to listen.

Like if 60,000 islanders or so refused to pay tax, what would the States do then? They cant fine us all!

Revolution is certainly the only hope we have of getting our voice heard over the sound of money being counted in the chambers.

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