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\par Presented }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 by Simon Minty}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 and Liz Carr \par \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\tx1276\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0\pararsid10647474 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 The Ouch Podcast is a download from the 大象传媒. For more infor}{ \rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10647474 mati}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 on, and our terms of use, go to bbc.co.uk/ouch. \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1134\li1134\ri0\widctlpar\tx1276\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1134\itap0\pararsid6575529 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par [Jingle O U C H spells Ouch] \par \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 Hello, welcome to }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10764399 Talk Show}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 53 for July 2010. It\rquote s me, I\rquote m Liz Carr, and presenting with me this month it\rquote s Simon Minty.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI\tab Hi there, Liz \endash thank you very much for having me.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 It\rquote s lovely to have a presenter with fully functioning arms, so that\rquote s nice. Have you got your thumbs? \endash do they work?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 Yes, no flippers, as Mat would say - just a little bit of shortness.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 LIZ\tab A little bit of shortness.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 Generally all round, yeah.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 Fine, and do you know where the Fraser is this month?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 The what, sorry?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 The Fraser \endash that\rquote s what we like to call him when he\rquote s not here.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 I don\rquote t know, I\rquote m presuming he\rquote s somewhere in {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}America{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose}, but then I don\rquote t know. I know he moved recently, he\rquote s had all sorts going on.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 I don\rquote t know, I think he\rquote s doing something sordid that we\rquote re best not knowing about, to be honest. He\rquote s not back next month either, so ...}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 That\rquote s two months?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 LIZ\tab Two months \endash we\rquote ve got a summer without him, so hopefully we will survive, we will survive. Well, let\rquote s tell you what\rquote s on the show tod ay. Our news this month is from the granddaddy of the disability media world \endash yes, it\rquote s Kevin Mulhern. He\rquote ll be with us in ten minutes or so.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 And in about 20 minutes we\rquote re going to be joined by 大象传媒 security correspondent, Frank Gardner.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 Shot by Al- Qaeda operatives, Frank gained a spinal injury which changed his life, not merely because he\rquote s now a wheelchair user. His latest book, just out in paperback, is about his love of travelling.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 LIZ\tab Our radio parlour game, Vegetable, Vegetable or Vegetable, is back. That\rquote s where we guess what\rquote s wrong with the contestant who phones in. Will they have a plain or an exotic disability this month? \endash I wonder.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 And we finish up with this ... \par \par (Rock music: \par \par \tab \'93}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10764399 Then a train .... then a train ... then a train}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 \'94}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 That\rquote s a track called \'93A Train, Then a Train, Then a Train\'94 , by Bug Prentice.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10764399 You may have seen }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9206580 them}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10764399 on the Club Attitude disability stage at the Glastonbury Festival, if you were there this year. You can hear the track in full at the end of the show.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10764399 LIZ\tab We\rquote re on the web as usual at bbc.co.uk/ouch, where you can read all sorts of regularly updated articles, chat on our message board, and download all our Talk Show podcasts from one to 53. So, it\rquote s very exciting that you\rquote re here.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10764399 It is very exciting.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10764399 We have worked together actually, playing this now, we have worked together with the comedy group, Abnormally Funny People, which is where I met you.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10764399 Absolutely.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10764399 And are you still doing comedy, Simon? \endash are you still being funny?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10764399 T hank you, in the way you slightly phrased that. Abnormally Funny People is going very strong, it\rquote s lovely, since we met, five years now, and where you\rquote ve got 12 or so comedians. I\rquote ve sort of taken a little bit of a step back, more producing and writing, aha!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10764399 Oh get you! Get you!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10764399 Yeah, yeah, yeah - look at me, I\rquote m a big cheese! \endash rather than the pure stand up, which was terribly frightening.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10764399 I should say that, as this is the 大象传媒, there are other line ups of disabled comedians available, out there.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10764399 But there\rquote s not.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \tab \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10764399 Sshh!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10764399 We are the ones.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10764399 LIZ\tab Ssh, I\rquote }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid13461887 ve got to say that, ssh! }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid13461887 Yes.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid13461887 Yeah?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid13461887 I am still doing AFP, as well call it for short, and it\rquote s kind of fun, it\rquote s lovely, as you well know.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid13461887\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid13461887 Yes, and you\rquote ve had a lovely summer so far. I\rquote ve had quite a good summer so far. I went, apart from the fact that last week I went to see Leona Lewis at the O}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\sub\insrsid13461887\charrsid13461887 2}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid13461887 .}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid13461887 \tab Mmm.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid13461887 Don\rquote t! \endash don\rquote t look at me like that! No!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid13461887 Why? \endash why did you go and see ... not that you shouldn\rquote t, but just why?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid13461887 No, I\rquote m a big fan of the X Factor, I thought it would be good, and what I worked out is, she\rquote s much better on the radio when you can just hear her one song by on}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid11413551 e}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid13461887 song, you know? \endash because I only really know one song, for a start ! The rest of it\rquote s like, aah, and then she did that thing, right, so I\rquote m in the disabled viewing area, OK. Brilliant seats, we can see her clearly, it\rquote s great, and she\rquote s like, \'93Everybody \endash get on your feet!\'94}{ \rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid13461887 \tab Oh yeah.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab And }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid13461887 you know when you look around, and you just all embarrassingly look down, it\rquote s like nobody moves on our platform, and then two minutes later she says}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid11413551 , \'93Everyone: put your arms-}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 put your hands in the air!\'94}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 Oh no, no, no!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 LIZ\tab And again, there\rquote s just nothing from the platform!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 She obviously wasn\rquote t quite aware of you, but, er ...}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 LIZ\tab Oh, I don\rquote t think they have disability awareness training before they do a gig.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 What\rquote s her big song? \endash it\rquote s something about bleeding, keep bleeding or something, isn\rquote t it?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 \endash which is a bit dodgy.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 LIZ\tab Yes, and she\rquote s crippled, she\rquote s crippled in that song.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 \tab What do you mean?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 She does use the word.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 Really? \endash what, crippled?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 LIZ\tab Yes, yes she does!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 \tab Crippled with what?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 LIZ\tab She\rquote s crippled with something, I think pain, I think pain and blood.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab I }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 still haven\rquote t quite understood why you went to see her, but ...}{ \rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 LIZ\tab That\rquote s fine, that\rquote s fine, but that\rquote s where I went, and yes, I\rquote m going to see Paul McCartney, because it\rquote ll be amazing to see a Beatle. I don\rquote t really like his music, but you\rquote ve got to see him before he dies, haven\rquote t you, so ... \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 I was mulling \endash was it mulling? \endash Mull of Kintyre, humming Mull of Kintyre, all day yesterday, and I don\rquote t know why.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 LIZ\tab Wow!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid3937925 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 In the street, quite happily loudly as well. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 Really? \endash did somebody come by with bagpipes and carry on playing?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 Strangely enough, no \endash most people avoided me.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 LIZ\tab Were you walking, or were you on your scooter at the time, Simon?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 \tab I was on my scooter.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 L}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 IZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 Were you on your mobility scooter, or your new transport scooter?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 Oh, you\rquote re talking about my dream \endash the trippy, the three wheel moped? }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 Yeah.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 I tried this, this is about two weeks ago, and for years always I\rquote ve wanted a sort of moped or motorbike of some sort, and this, but I haven\rquote t got no balance, and I can\rquote t reach the ground, because I\rquote ve got short legs.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 OK.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 Found this thing, a guy came round, went whizzing round my car park for hours (when I say car park, I live in a big block of flats \endash it wasn\rquote t just a personal car park). Erm, it was joyous, and he kept telling me about all the little features, and I said, shall I just have another go, though?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 Can I ask?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 \tab Yes?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 Do you wheel your scooter on? \endash you know, is it one of those, because you can get wheel chair-accessible scooter things and motorbikes ...}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 Yes.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6569394 ... where they actually have like a platform, and you wheel on}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10031220 your wheelchair or your mobility scooter.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10031220 \tab They have huge kind of body kits, sort of protecting you.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10031220 Like a chariot?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10031220 Yes, yes exactly that. It\rquote s a big whip, it was like Ben Hur, but in a wheelchair. They did have one of those, but mine wasn\rquote t, mine was, I would just sit on it, because I can climb on and off it.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10031220 Aa-ha.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10031220 But I realised, once I\rquote d got somewhere, I can\rquote t walk anywhere, so I \rquote m a bit stuffed, because I can get around on the scooter, or moped, but then once I get there, I\rquote ve got to be really close to where I\rquote m going, because I haven\rquote t got my mobility scooter. But I nearly, I really want to buy th em. My parents were brilliantly, they were so supportive, and they said, this is a great idea, you\rquote ll love it, shall we buy you the helmet? And then they started asking me a series of questions, until the end of it, I went, \'93I\rquote m not getting it\'94, and it\rquote s just clever, they kind of talked me out of it. I don\rquote t know what I\rquote m going to do.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10031220 Aaah, oh now I\rquote m gutted, because, well I thought you were going to achieve your dream. But you\rquote ve had, you\rquote ve ridden it?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4069442 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10031220 It\rquote s still there, it\rquote s not gone.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16019190 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10031220 But the idea of the fact that, I guess that all you can do is drive around town, and then end up back home again?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16019190 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10031220 Yes, you\rquote re right, it\rquote s not been the best ...}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16019190 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10031220 It\rquote s a bit of a waste of time, really.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16019190 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10031220 \tab Well, and actually someone else pointed out, because it\rquote s three wheels, it is quite wide, so you can\rquote t nip through the traffic. So now I\rquote m going to be sitting in the rain behind cars. It may backfire, but I still love it \endash it was the freedom, there was something special.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16019190 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10031220 Oh, I am glad. Well look, before we read your emails, listeners, just a quick word about a new feature coming to the Ouch! website. Dis}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9206580 C}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10031220 onnected is a video interview series that\rquote s going to be going up, one per week, across the summer. So the way it works is that the interviewee in the first film becomes the interviewer in the next \endash kind of like a game of tag. So guests include some names that might surprise you, as considering themselves disabled, like presenter Gail Porter, indie music star Blaine Harrison, former Para- Olympian Tanni Grey-Thompson, and this is a clip from the first interview that features talk show queen, Trisha Goddard. She\rquote s got cancer and depression, apparently.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12549060 \par Trisha\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10031220 When I was approached to do this, I got the email, and I said to my husband, I said, \'93Bloody hell! \endash how dare they! Disabled \endash I\rquote m not disabled!\'94}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16019190 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12549060 Cerrie\tab And what did he say?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16019190 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid11413551 Trisha\tab He}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12549060 runs a very large mental health service, and is an employer, and he said to me, \'93Actually, my darling, you are.\'94}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16019190 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12549060 \par LIZ\tab Trisha Goddard talking there to Cerrie Burnell. So Dis}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9206580 C}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12549060 onnected can be found at bbc.co.uk/ouch. I\rquote ll be listening.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16019190 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12549060 \tab It sounds very good.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16019190 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12549060 Doesn\rquote t it?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16019190 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12549060 Very interesting, yeah, yeah, yeah.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16019190 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12549060 So emails, Simon?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16019190\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12549060 OK, we have had a ton of emails, and we\rquote ve had some very \endash I don \rquote t know what the word is, \'93detailed\'94?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16019190 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12549060 Very long \endash thank you, but my goodness, they\rquote re long, aren\rquote t they? So we\rquote re going to whip through them very quickly.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16019190 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12549060 \tab Yeah, a bit of sort of selected highlights, but there\rquote s been lots of them and lots of interesting stuff. The first one, we\rquote ve got Zoe, and I\rquote m trying to work out where Zoe\rquote s from, but she\rquote ll probably recognise her email as I start speaking, but she said that we\rquote ve probably heard this question before in a dozen different forms. Her question is: \'93 What do I do when someone makes a completely inappropriate comment?\'94 Now, to put it in context, she was saying she was at work, during her break she was talking to a volunteer co-ordinator, when a person of restricted growth walked by. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16019190 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12549060 Oh?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16019190 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12549060 \tab She\rquote s obviously up with the language.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16019190 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12549060 LIZ\tab Isn\rquote t she just?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16019190 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12549060 All the rest of the people started to discuss dwarfism, saying that he was \'93 very proportional\'94 for a dwarf. They\rquote ve obviously spent a lot of time worrying about these things. Anyway, one of them said, \'93I\rquote m one of those people who finds midgets hilarious.\'94 I\rquote m guessing that\rquote s the inappropriate line, on lots of levels.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16019190 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12549060 I\rquote m thinking it is, yeah.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12549060 \tab So, what do you do when someone makes an inappropriate comment, Liz?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12549060 LIZ\tab And you\rquote re there, and it\rquote s not even necessarily about you, but it might be about disability? Sometimes I\rquote m a complete chicken, and I don\rquote t do anything about it; sometimes I do say stuff about it. Sometimes I\rquote m that confident, it kind of depends really. But I\rquote m ashamed to say that sometimes I do, not go along with it, but I wouldn\rquote t do anything about it.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12549060 I think you pick your battles, yeah, absolutely. Taxi drivers, sometimes straight in, and other times, I just cannot be bothered, I\rquote ve got better things to do with my life. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12549060 Well yes, taxi drivers \endash don\rquote t even get me started, don\rquote t get me started! So Colin, Colin Conroy \endash eight pages you wrote, thank you so m}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5047588 uch! Not quite, but thank you. Colin talks about the things that he likes about Ouch! He likes the guest presenters, he says, and he also likes Emma, our Assistant Producer, when she comes in. He says, Emma\rquote s very funny. He likes the guest presenters and Emma, so one out of two ain\rquote t bad this month.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5047588 \par \tab Finally, Hi Mat and Liz \endash this is from Shaun O\rquote Brien from the Wirral (where I\rquote m from, yay!), during the whole election campaign, he says, how they like to show, the parties like to show how minority-friendly they were in their manifestos. All of them, well except for the BNP, had something about maki ng life more equal for disabled people, ethnic minorities, LGBT (that\rquote s lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people) ...}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5047588\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5047588 \tab Quicker, quicker.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5047588 ... women and older people, which got me thinking \endash can you find a person that manages to fit in all these categories? Does such a person exist? Liz almost manages to fit in, but sadly she\rquote s white and only middle aged \endash silly Liz! Well, I have to say on that point, we have our guest reading the news, and going through the news stories this month, is Kevin Mulhern. Kevin, how many equal ops boxes do you tick?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5047588 KEVIN\tab I\rquote m really sorry \endash I\rquote ll tell you where I still am at the moment, who\rquote s Leona Lewis?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5047588 \par (((they laugh)))}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5047588\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5047588 KEVIN\tab I\rquote ve been sat here \endash she\rquote s not the new }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid422084 Minister for Disabled People}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5047588 ?}{ \rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5047588 No.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5047588 KEVIN\tab I think that\rquote s Maria Miller.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5047588 That\rquote s Maria Miller. The clue is the X, she\rquote s a pop star.}{ \rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5047588 KEVIN}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5047588 Oh.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5047588 Oh!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5047588 She won a talent competition here in the {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}} {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}UK{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose} some three years ago.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5047588 KEVIN\tab Before or after Abba?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5047588 LIZ\tab (((laughs)))}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5047588 SI\tab Slightly after Abba.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid422084 KEVIN\tab Forget it, forget it \endash move on.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid422084 I quite like the fact that you don\rquote t know who Leona Lewis is, that\rquote s quite admirable.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid422084 KEVIN}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid422084 I really don\rquote t, actually I really was sitting there thinking, is that the new Minster for the Disabled, for example? No, that is Maria Miller.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid422084 You see how you can easily get confused.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid422084 \tab Well whoever we were talking about had a concert, and doing Mexican waves \endash you\rquote d expect the new minister to be, telling you \endash that\rquote d be great, wouldn\rquote t it?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid422084 KEVIN\tab Well her record is quite interesting really, because she\rquote s pro-smoking, anti-gay rights, and I got lost about the rest, it\rquote s quite extraordinary.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid422084 Yes, yes, yes.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid422084 KEVIN\tab Pro badges for two-year-old disabled people.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid422084 Fantastic, well we\rquote ve had some fantastic emails this month, thank you. A bit long, but we like that, we like to go through them, so thanks. Don\rquote t forget, you can email us at }{\field\flddirty{\*\fldinst {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid422084 HYPERLINK "mailto:ouch@bbc.co.uk" }}{\fldrslt {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \cs15\f1\ul\cf2\insrsid422084\charrsid8683500 ouch@bbc.co.uk}}}\sectd \linex0\headery708\footery708\colsx708\endnhere\sectlinegrid360\sectdefaultcl\sftnbj {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid422084 for the next show, thank you. So Kevin, you\rquote re here with the news?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid422084\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid422084 KEVIN\tab Yeah, but I have to keep up \endash two is the answer, two boxes I ticked. Now you\rquote re going to have to work \endash at my age, I\rquote m going to be a bit behind, so I\rquote ll be answering questions about five minutes after you ask.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid422084 For the benefit of the listeners, you\rquote re an independent producer, writer and journalist, and my notes say that you used to specialise in disability, but now you\rquote re sort of returning to it, and you\rquote re stunned to see how awful the coverage still is?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid422084 KEVIN}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid422084 Oh, it is, it\rquote s quite extraordinary. I mea n, I picked up a newspaper, because somebody said, go and pick up all the newspapers, so I went in, went through the newspapers, got my reader to take me through them, and it was the language that was still being used. I mean, I found a piece in an \endash if you\rquote re listening abroad, we have a newspaper called The Sun, and if you don\rquote t know what it is, aren\rquote t you lucky? And it literally was talking about this person with a disability w}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14485361 ho was incredibly inspirational, who despite the fact that they were blind, had no eyes, had battled against their disability, had overcome it, and they\rquote d learned to play catch. Oh, I forgot to mention \endash this is a dog. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14485361 Oh.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14485361 This actually is a dog, who lives in Australia, called Myron, and you read this story, and it\rquote s w hat used to be written about disabled people who took part in sport years ago \endash absolutely extraordinary, and it goes on like this the whole way through, to the point where you get, \'93When I take him to the park\'94, says his owner, \'93 nobody really believes he\rquote s disabled. They think he\rquote s a benefits fraudster.\'94 (She never said that bit, but I did). But the loveliest bit, it gets to the end, when you hear this long, terrible story about this dog, and it says, his owner said: \'93This is not his only disability \endash he\rquote s also epileptic, hypersensitive and severely allergic.\'94 And then she says, \'93I don\rquote t see him as disabled, I see him as differently abled\'94. I mean, where are social services in {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}} {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}Australia{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose}? Take that dog away from her, I mean what do you have to do to get a parking badge in {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}Australia{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose} , I ask myself? What was fascinating about that, though, actually, which is so different now compared when I first did disability stories, which really 30 years ago, is that you can now go to a blog, and I went to the blog on t hat one to see what people had written, and there were thousands of blogs, and I\rquote m not joking. I learned there was a group for severely disabled dogs, dogs who had diabetes \endash I couldn\rquote t believe what I discovered. \par \par \tab But this next story, and it is considerably more serious ...}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14485361 Can I just ask you a quick question \endash so these dogs are part of the blogs, they\rquote re typing in their messages, and stuff like that?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14485361 KEVIN\tab Oh, Myron, yes \endash Myron\rquote s got his own Facebook page and he\rquote s got 26 friends! \par \par SI\tab But there was a quite, I thought there was a sort of subtle point you were mentioning, that used to be perhaps written about disabled people. Do you think that The Sun would still do that about a human being, or is the dog \endash we\rquote re allowed to add a bit of sympathy now, because it\rquote s a dog, and do all that schmaltzy stuff?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14485361 KEVIN}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab I }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2976268 think it has changed, a bit. Actually I did notice that, as I go on with this, I think you might see what I mean. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2976268 SI\tab OK.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2976268 KEVIN}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2976268 Sometimes, what they do is, they don\rquote t even mention disable d people in stories; they manage to avoid disabled people. But the next story I got on to, of which the best coverage of this particular story is by Geoff Adams-Spink on the 大象传媒 website, it\rquote s Mencap did an incredible survey about how learning disabled peo ple are treated in the British NHS service. The first thing I have to say, I really congratulate both Mencap for doing the survey, but also the people working in the health service who honestly said, we don\rquote t know how to treat people who we can \rquote t communicate with. It\rquote s shocking, and the story, one of the stories they\rquote ve come up with is about a poor man called Mr Eaton, and I just, this genuinely brought tears to my eyes \endash 75, goes into hospital with a urinary infection, and he doesn\rquote t live, because they don\rquote t know how to communicate with him, and they put up the rails on the side of his bed, which gives him claustrophobia. He fell out of the bed, banged his head, and ended up dying of a brain haemorrhage, and it is, as I say, a horrifying story. Go to th e 大象传媒 website, and look at Geoff Adams-Spink\rquote s story on it, which is incredible, but the amazing thing about this story is, I went to the blog, the blog site, and looked at it \endash not a blog, nobody was going in to say this was disgusting. Any other group that that happened to in {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}Britain{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose} , women, racial minorities, anybody, there would be uproar.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2976268\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2976268 Or dogs?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2976268 KEVIN\tab Or dogs.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2976268 LIZ\tab I mean, really, you know.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2976268 KEVIN\tab I did feel like that, no, I actually feel you\rquote re right. I was almost trying not to say it, because I didn\rquote t want people to think I was being totally trivial, and I found that quite horrifying, and it still does shock me, but as I say, it was good at least that the doctors and nurses put their hands up, and said, it\rquote s true \endash we don\rquote t know what we\rquote }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9789608 re doing, which I thought was incredible.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9789608 So presumably the Mencap report, did that come up with some suggestions of what those who were troubling, or struggling to communicate \endash what they should be doing? Is there practical stuff?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9789608 KEVIN\tab Well, I think what Mencap are actually saying, it\rquote s the other way round. It\rquote s not down to the individuals now to do it, it\rquote s up to the NHS to come forward ...}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9711031 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab I }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9789608 agree, yes.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{ \rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9789608\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9789608 KEVIN\tab ... and say, we need to be trained, and I did think again from this, the good side to this story was that the health workers weren\rquote t covering up. They weren\rquote t saying, oh it\rquote s not a problem \endash don\rquote t make a fuss, we\rquote re very busy; they said, it\rquote s true \endash nobody\rquote s told us how to do it. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9789608 LIZ\tab So Kevin \endash I\rquote ve got here as a headline, \'93Shock horror \endash polling stations are still inaccessible\'94?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9789608 KEVIN\tab (((laughs)))}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9789608 A month or so into the new government?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9789608 KEVIN}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9789608 Let me tell you, when I started, believe it or not, the first place I ever worked at the 大象传媒 was for Radio 3, doing the Proms interval, so it was nothing to do with disability. The first disability story I ever did was after the 1979 election, and it was about two disabled activists who turned up at a polling station, and guess what? \endash they couldn\rquote t get in. Now here we are, 30 years later, there\rquote s been uproar about students not being getting to vote, people being turned away from polling stations at the last election. They go away, they do a survey, and what do they discover? \endash we can\rquote t get in, and what\rquote s even nicer about it, there\rquote s a suggestion, well, think about internet voting, think about text voting \endash yes, at all cost, don\rquote t let them in there \endash keep them inaccessible, but let \rquote s do everything to keep them out. \par \par \tab But what was utterly shocking about this one, one of the countries that}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1801679 came of really badly was }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9789608 {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}} Scotland{\*\xmlclose}, and {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}Scotland{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose} have more elections than anywhere else in the world. They have their council elections, they have their government elections, their own parliament elections, and yet {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}Scotland{\*\xmlclose} \endash tell me, am I right \endash you two would know, wasn\rquote t {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}Scotland{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose} the first place to return a wheelchair MP? I believe they were?}{ \rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9789608 I think so, Ann Begg. \par \par SI\tab Ann Begg.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3351846 KEVIN\tab Ann Begg, yeah.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3351846 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3351846 I think you might be right.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3351846 KEVIN\tab So she couldn\rquote t have voted in 52 constituencies in {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}Scotland{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose} . But the other thing about it is, I mean, I hate, not to be too light about this, but ...}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3351846 LIZ\tab Go for it.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3351846 KEVIN\tab ... {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}Scotland{\*\xmlclose} is trying to put through a bill at the moment, in the Scottish parliament, under Margo MacDonald, herself disabled, to give disabled people in {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}Scotland{\*\xmlclose} {\*\xmlclose} the on}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1801679 e thing that they really need, }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3351846 and that\rquote s the right to die. Well all I can say, Miss MacDonald \endash what about the right to vote? Oh wait a minute \endash you might not be there.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3351846 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3351846 OK, your final story, returning to a dog theme here \endash this is about guide dogs being attacked? \endash sounds a bit shocking, Kevin.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3351846 KEVIN\tab Well, do you know, this is horrible, because I go around cities a lot, and the one thing I\rquote ve always wanted is a white stick with a stun gun on it, to actually get cyclist s, because I thought that ...}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3351846 \tab You do have a visual impairment \endash this isn\rquote t just you wanting a white stick with a stun gun?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3351846 KEVIN\tab Yeah, but if I didn\rquote t have a visual impairment ...}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3351846 But you still want one?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3351846 KEVIN}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3351846 ... I\rquote d still like to get cyclists, I don\rquote t like cyclists, never liked cyclists, they\rquote re horrible. But the thing that really did quite stun me about this again, and it\rquote s a thing about something not changing, the thing that did change, I\rquote d never heard this story about people using guide dogs, having their dogs attacked, and in these cases, they\rquote re by pit bulls and these attack}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3351846 dogs, and 40% of all attacks on guide dogs, of which there are 40 or 50 a year in Britain, are by these dogs. But the second thing that shocked me about this was tha t, when you read through the story, and I took the story from the Daily Mail, because I}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 just picked one out. What was fascinating about it, they talked about the guide dog being attacked, they talked about the terrible cost this put on the Guide Dogs\rquote Ass ociation, they talked about the owners of the dogs which did the attacking, not apologising, but they never mentioned the effect on the blind person with the dog on the end of the lead.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 SI\tab Yeah.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 KEVIN}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 Extraordinary, so all I can say is, granddad says, it\rquote s all exactly the same as it was in my day, and now I know who Leona, Leona \endash what\rquote s her name?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 Leona Lewis.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 KEVIN}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 Thank you.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 Well, we\rquote ll get you back in another 30 years then, Kevin, and see what \rquote s changed \endash probably absolutely nothing.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 KEVIN}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 I was that good, was I?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 That was a real inspirational pick-me-up, I\rquote m glad we did something there that should last 30 years, thanks Kevin.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 Thank you so much, Kevin. \par \par (((guitar chords)))}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 LIZ\tab On ISDN from his home, we have Frank Gardner. Hello, Frank.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15474530 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 FRANK\tab Hi, Liz.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 It\rquote s very good to have you at last on the Ouch! Talk Show. Frank Gardner is the 大象传媒 security correspondent, and you may know him because he was disabled on duty in {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}} Saudi Arabia{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose} when shot by an Al-Qaeda operative in 2004. So many of us will have heard of you, but it\rquote s brilliant to have you on the Talk Show. Thank you for joining us, Frank.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 FRANK}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 Pleasure, it was more than one who shot me, but we\rquote ll move on from that, but anyway.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 Really, really? \endash a number of them?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 FRANK}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 Yep.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14683284 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14367353 We\rquote ve got you on here today really because you\rquote ve brought out a book, \'93Far Horizons: Unusual Journeys and Strange Encounters from a Travelling Life\'94, and that\rquote s what we really want to talk to you about. We\rquote re both huge fans of travel. \par \par SI\tab Absolutely. \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14367353 FRANK}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14367353 I was hoping you were going to say, huge fans of me!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14367353 \par (((they laugh)))}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14367353\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14367353 And of you.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14367353\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14367353 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14367353 Well, of you, of very much so, of you.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14367353 FRANK\tab No no, too late now \endash you missed the slot.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14367353 Frank, on that note, where are you going on your summer holidays this year?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14367353 FRANK\tab {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}Croatia{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose}.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14367353 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14367353 {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}} {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}Croatia{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose}?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1134\li1134\ri0\widctlpar\tx1276\tx2038\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1134\itap0\pararsid6575529 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14367353 FRANK\tab Yep.\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1134\li1134\ri0\widctlpar\tx1276\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1134\itap0\pararsid6575529 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14367353 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14367353 It\rquote s an up-and-coming place \endash is there a particular reason?}{ \rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14367353 FRANK}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid14367353 No, not really, I mean I went there, gosh, in the Eighties, before {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname City}}Dubrovnik{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose} got shelled, and it was brilliant. I have to say, there were rather too many kind of naturist beaches, which I probably won\rquote t be visiting, actually, with all my accoutrements, but no, we\rquote re going to go back as a family, and I th}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4416428 ink it should be nice, I think.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4416428 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4416428 So it\rquote s kind of a regular family holiday, not one of the Frank Gardner expeditions that we\rquote ve been reading about in your book?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4416428 FRANK\tab No, I mean I\rquote m sort of trying to push the envelope a bit with the family and kind of get them to go to unusual places. I mean, }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12221177 my wife loves beach, one of the kids is very much into comfort, the other one\rquote s into adventure. So I\rquote m trying to juggle all of this, but we did manage {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}Borneo{\*\xmlclose} this year, which was really good, and I\rquote d totally recommend it.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12221177 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12221177 You mentioned actually about {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}} {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}Croatia{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose}, do the places they go to, they have to have this extra interest? I mean, is it something about conflict, is it something, or is it just happens that they take your fancy?} {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12221177 FRANK}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12221177 {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}Croatia{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose} just took my fancy. I have to say, it\rquote s probably not an ideal choice for somebody who\rquote s a wheelchair user. Maybe I should be saying this after I get back, but I\rquote ve been warned that all the kind of budget places tend to be on the slopes of fairly steep hills that are going down to the sea, and I\rquote m sure this is familiar for you guys, but it\rquote s very frustrating. The choice is very limited if you can \rquote t get up and down steps. So we\rquote ve managed to find it, but it\rquote s taken a bit of thrashing around.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12221177 SI\tab Just a quick personal question, because you\rquote ve gone to a couple of places that, and this is someone who, I\rquote ve been disabled all my life, and used my scooter for the last however many years, and yours is six years, so you\rquote re a relative newcomer, if you forgive me, for phrasing it like that.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12221177 FRANK}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12221177 Yeah, I\rquote m a novice, yeah.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12221177 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12221177 Yeah, well I don\rquote t know about a novice, I think you\rquote re doing very well. So you\rquote ve been to {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}Cambodia{\*\xmlclose}, you\rquote ve been to {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}Thailand{\*\xmlclose} {\*\xmlclose} \endash have you done that since you\rquote ve been disabled?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12221177 FRANK}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12221177 Yes.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12221177 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12221177 Because I\rquote ve hesitated, I\rquote ve always thought, are people going to stare, is it just going to be really hard work, are the pavements \endash there\rquote s kerbs an}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2061903 d so on. How did you get on, w}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12221177 ere they ...?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12221177 FRANK}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12221177 It was fine, {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}Cambodia {\*\xmlclose} especially was really very good, because, I suppose because of {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}Cambodia{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose}\rquote s own tragic history. They had the K hmer Rouge, and then the place was littered with landmines. That\rquote s not to say that the tourist areas are littered with landmines, but the country, particularly the east and the kind of jungly bits, did have a big problem with landmines, so ther}{ \rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15278953 e are so many amputees there, s}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12221177 o they\rquote re completely used to}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15278953 seeing people in wheelchairs. W}{ \rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12221177 hereas in {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}Thailand}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15278953 {\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose} , I found that people were kind of rushing to help, which is very nice, but actually I really needed to learn the Thai for, back off thanks, I\rquote ll do it myself. \par \par \tab But in {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}Cambodia{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose}, it doesn\rquote t raise an eyebrow, and they\rquote ve got a wonderful can-do attitude. I mean, I suppose I travelled by jeep some of the time, and then on boats around }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15278953\charrsid15278953 {\*\bkmkstart OLE_LINK1}{\*\bkmkstart OLE_LINK2}Tonl\'e9 Sap}{ \rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15278953 {\*\bkmkend OLE_LINK1}{\*\bkmkend OLE_LINK2}, which is a big lake }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15278953\charrsid2061903 in }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2061903\charrsid2061903 (inaudible}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15278953\charrsid2061903 ),}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15278953 it\rquote s the largest inland lake in south-east Asia, and we were going round these kind of stilt}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2061903 -}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15278953 , just myself and a mate, round these stilted fishing villages, and the Cambodians were just so helpful. They just took one look at the wheelchair, and instead of saying, ooh well, I dunno mate, you know, aah, my back\rquote s not what it used to be \endash there was none of that. It was just like, within seconds, four of them grabbed it, or two of them grabbed it, and up we went, and there I was, up in the heart, cross legged, or trying to be, and eating f ish, or swinging around on a hammock, which was great, which to me is what travelling\rquote s about, without having any kind of fixed big agenda. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12221177 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15278953 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15278953 So you became a wheelchair user six years ago, but before then you were, you had an adventurous side, you travelled all over the world before, and it seems like becoming a wheelchair user hasn\rquote t stopped that \endash is that right?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15278953 FRANK}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15278953 It was a temporary blip, Liz, definitely. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid13379514 I mean, when I came out of hospital, I\rquote d had 14 operations, I was in five hospitals seven months, and I was absolutely knackered. I had no energy, no drive, physically, for the first year. With the compensation money, using that, we went off to {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}Thailand {\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose} to recover, to recuperate, and I was kind of ashamed of myself, because all I did was, I just flopped on a sun lounger under a palm tree, and I didn\rquote t do anything. With a lot of encouragement, I got into the pool, and sort of wallowed around like a walrus, and then kind of flolloped out again. I just had no interest, I was exhausted, and it was really like that for the first twelve months. \par \par \tab Then after that, I started to kind of get my mojo back really, and say, look, actually there\rquote s so much more of the world that I want to see, and yes, I\rquote ve done some great things, some great trips, train trips down the Sudan and going off picnicking with the Foreign Legion in Djibouti and climbing a volcano in Sumatra, and fun things like that, but there\rquote s so much more, and yes, a lot of those things I won\rquote t be able to do in a wheelchair, but there are far more things that I can do than that I can\rquote t do. So you\rquote ve got to look on the positive side, and I\rquote ve had a great time. I\rquote ve been twice to {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}Afghanistan{\*\xmlclose}, {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}Colombia{\*\xmlclose}, {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}Cambodia{\*\xmlclose}, {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}Borneo{\*\xmlclose} , all since my injuries.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid13379514 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid13379514 You\rquote re a master of understatement, I mean, cal ling the experience a blip or being exhausted for those twelve months, and so on. I think both Liz and I, we were talking about you earlier, we had this sort of admiration that you had one foot in the disability, understanding that, and have adapted amaz i ngly well, but you also have one foot also in your mainstream, what your job is, and all of the other parts. Now, you make out that that actually was a relatively easy switch, except for those twelve months. Has it been, or were there still little times where it catches you short, makes you think?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid13379514 FRANK}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid13379514 Yeah, there are. I mean, I think the times when I don\rquote t notice it are where I\rquote m happily rolling around in a jeep, bouncing round somewhere, and you\rquote re holding on to the dashboard or something to kind of balance yourself, but you think, hey, this is fun, where you\rquote ve got mobility. I did a great trip up to the {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}Arctic{\*\xmlclose} about three }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid13379514\charrsid2061903 weeks ago, no, a month ago, I think, in }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2061903\charrsid2061903 Swalbart (inaudible}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid13379514\charrsid2061903 ), you}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid13379514 might have seen it. We were following these amputees who were going to make an attempt to cross the polar ice cap next year to the North Pole. So I spent three days on a skidoo, and sleeping in teepees, in these tents, and I didn\rquote t use the wheelchair at all.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid197113 The only time I used it was to get to transfer from the skidoo, or the snowmobile rather, to the tent, and that was it \endash the rest of the time I was completely mobile and independent on the snowmobile, which was fantastic. The times I think I probably do notice it are those sort of social occasions, where there\rquote s a very fluid movement of people in a kind of quite upbeat place, a bar or something like that, and if I\rquote m wearing callipers, and I\rquote ll be standing up, that\rquote s fine, but if everyone\rquote s kind of surging towards the door, or something ... I mean, I did a trip to Columbia, and I ended up covering a hostage situation in the street, and the crowd suddenly moved, and I thought, if there\rquote s a stampede, I\rquote m stuffed here.}{ \rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid197113 Yeah. I can understand, so there\rquote s certain situations that you may be a little bit more aware. Now, I have a confession \endash I saw you, I was at the 大象传媒, there was a disability and talent event happening, and there was 30 wheelchair users in the foyer, and you happened to be finishing your day\rquote s work, and you came down in the lift, and you came out , and it was a joyous moment, because obviously you were a little bit surprised, as anyone would be, to see 30 wheelchair users suddenly there. But then there was just this very big, natural smile, and I thought, this man is very cool, he\rquote s very kind of, I don\rquote t know what the word is.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid197113 FRANK\tab It\rquote s all a facade.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid197113 Well yes, I did wonder that too, but it worked. Now, I have a naughty question, which is, when I see you on 大象传媒 News at Ten, I love it when I get to see just a little bit of your wheelchair. However, I\rquote ve seen you with callipers, did you say? \endash or a frame, or sort of leaning against a wall? Now, this is a really rubbish disability question, but is that your call? Is it the ...}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid197113 FRANK\tab It\rquote s my call, yeah.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid197113 Right, and what influences that decision?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7619650 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid197113 FRANK}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid197113 A lot of it depends on kind of what the format of the programme is, so if it \rquote s me commenting on something that\rquote s happened, or kind of having a bit of what we call a one plus one, sitting down with the presenter, whether it\rquote s Huw Edwards or F iona Bruce, then it makes sense for me to still be in my wheelchair, to sit down next to them, and have a bit of a chat about it. If it\rquote s talking through something like graphics, then I actually prefer to stand up, gripping my Zimmerframe, my walking frame, with one hand, and use the other hand to kind of gesticulate, because I feel I can project better when I\rquote m standing. I never say to anybody, don\rquote t show the wheelchair, or for that matter, I never say to them, do show it. I leave it up to the, entirely up to the kind of gallery director, the studio director, how much of the wheelchair they show.}{ \rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10101973 What I should be doing is obviously listening to what you\rquote re saying, and explaining, rather than worrying about whether I can see you \endash do people say that?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10101973 FRANK\tab No, no \endash no-one ever listens to our pieces to cameras.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10101973 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10101973 No, we just get very excited when we see a wheelchair user on TV, particularly as a reporter.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10101973 FRANK\tab Well, do you know what? \endash I had a really nice email when I was out in Afghanistan earlier this year from, I think, is it Chris Heaney, a guy who writes ... it\rquote }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 s under Healy, I think, no, Andy Heal}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10101973 y, that\rquote s it. He writes for Forward, the SIA, Spinal Injuries Association magazine.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10101973\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 LIZ\tab OK, yep.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 FRANK\tab And he said, we were so chuffed to see you in your wheelchair in {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname country-region}}Afghanistan{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose} . I kind of broke the mould there a bit on that, because to be honest, I don\rquote t think the Ministry of Defence would massively welcome 30 wheelchair users all arriving at one time in the theatre, as it\rquote s called. But we had our own safety guy with us, we were taken care of, we took care of ourselves, and I wasn\rquote t really a problem for anybody. There were a few, there\rquote s a lot of pebbles there, and you do occasionally have to move quite quickly, but it was fine getting out there.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 LIZ\tab Now Frank, me and Simon, lifelong disabled people; you\rquote re a newbie, you\rquote re doing well, but you\rquote re new. We want to make sure that you are getting everything that you\rquote re entitled to, so we\rquote ve just got a checklist here. Do you get Disability Living Allowance?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 FRANK}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 Yes.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 Do you have a blue badge?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 FRANK}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 Check.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 Do you have a radar key?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 FRANK\tab Check.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 LIZ\tab Motability car?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 FRANK\tab About to.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 Oh, excellent.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 \tab Wow.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2061903 LIZ\tab A Freedom P}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 ass?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 FRANK}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 No.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 \par LIZ\tab We\rquote ll talk about that later. National bus pass? \par \par FRANK\tab No.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 We\rquote ll talk about that later. Access to work?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 FRANK}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 Yes.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 Excellent! I don\rquote t want to say the last thing, the producer makes me say it \endash he\rquote s thinking (I\rquote m blaming him) of introducing a cartoon to the website called \'93The Blue Badger\'94. \par \par FRANK\tab (((laughs)))}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 Well, the question was, do you think that\rquote s funny?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 FRANK\tab Yeah, I do. I\rquote m afraid so, sorry about that, but I think it is, that\rquote s good.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 I was slightly ashamed, he thinks it\rquote s funny, I think it\rquote s quite funny.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 FRANK}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10889088 Yeah.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 Thank you so much, Frank.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 FRANK}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 You\rquote re welcome.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 Frank Gardner\rquote s new book, it\rquote s entitled \'93 Far Horizons: Unusual Journeys and Strange Encounters from a Travelling Life.\'94}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 LIZ\tab Frank, you\rquote ve been a delight to talk to, thank you so much.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 FRANK\tab All the best, cheers.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 Take care, bye bye. \par \par VOICEOVER: \par \par You\rquote re listening to the Ouch! Talk Show! \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 LIZ\tab Still to come on the Talk Show ...}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 (((rock music)))}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 \par \tab \'93Catch a train ....\'94}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 LIZ\tab .... we\rquote re talking to Ally Craig, lead singer of Bud Prentice, and you\rquote ll hear that track I\rquote m talking all over in full.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 LIZ\tab So it\rquote s July, I\rquote m feeling all summery, Simon, and enjoying it. Not really going away \endash have you got travel plans this year?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 Yes I have, I\rquote m off to the Little People of America. They have a conference going on in {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname City}}Nashville{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose} this year.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 Now, you\rquote re saying that with quite a big smirk \endash why?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 Well, partly because of the name \endash \'93Little People\'94 is a little bit cute, although you know, there\rquote s lots of worse names. But it\rquote s just a kind of, I don\rquote t know, awesome, overwhelming thing which gives 2,000 people like me, short people around sort of four foot, four and a half foot, one hotel, maybe an overspill hotel. We just take over for this week, and they are remarkable, and there can be 30 different sort of nationalities there as well.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 And is it like a conference, or is it just one big party?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid7698446 It is both, it is both, and as you get older, you realise this is a very useful conference, where you can learn a lot of things. They\rquote ll have specific conditions, there\rquote s 200 types of dwarfism. So they\rquote ll have different groups within sub-groups and so on, so you can go and meet, or you can talk about adoption, you can talk about marriage, you can talk about all sorts of things. Then every night there\rquote s a big party, disco thing, that yeah, that \rquote s a little bit more crazy.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3212130 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3212130 I\rquote m four foot six \endash could I gatecrash?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3212130 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3212130 You probably could, kind of four foot nine, four foot ten is usually the cut off, so you\rquote re OK. You might be a little bit on the tall side, a bit weird on the dance floor, we can see you. However, but you\rquote re meant to have a recognised condition, and I don\rquote t know if you qualify on that.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3212130 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3212130 Because there are the 200, so you have to be in that.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3212130 SI\tab Although some of those are not even named, they\rquote re just unique to an individual, so you could have your own Liz Carr syndrome.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3212130 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3212130 Really?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3212130 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3212130 Yeah, we\rquote ll get you in on that.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3212130 On a wild card, kind of thing!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3212130 SI\tab But they are, I think the first one I ever went to was 1995, and after two days I said I was leaving, and I thought I was pretty relaxed in my skin, I thought, I\rquote d had a lifetime of being short, and this was OK, and I was just so overwhelmed by the number, maybe the variety, and there was that thing called the mirror image \endash I don\rquote t know if that works for other conditions, where you see someone who has a similar condition, and you suddenly see yourself, and you didn\rquote t realise that you looked like that to other people, and it overwhelmed me, and I said, I\rquote m out of here, and people, some good friends had to kind of talk me round, saying, look, you\rquote re still the same person, nothing\rquote s changed, and I\rquote m so glad I did, but it was a bit weird. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3212130 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3212130 So it was like a bit of a shock, to be surrounded with so many people like yourself, kind of thing?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3212130 SI\tab Yeah, but I don\rquote t know if you get this, it\rquote s the kind of ... if you\rquote re on your own, and you have a visible disability, you have all your strategies, and you\rquote re used to it, and yadayada. I\rquote m talking about }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3212130\charrsid4073606 people that (}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4073606\charrsid4073606 inaudible}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3212130\charrsid4073606 ), but then if you\rquote re with somebody else who}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3212130 has a visible disability as well, suddenly it\rquote s a bit more, and you kind of question them, or do you question you, or ... I don\rquote t know.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1134\li1134\ri0\widctlpar\tx1276\tx2340\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1134\itap0\pararsid6575529 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3212130 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 }{ \rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3212130 \tab But then, I quite like that whole thing of, when I am with other disabled people, whether it\rquote s the same impairment or not, kind of thing, of that absolute fear of, feeling of powerfulness \endash don\rquote t you get that? Do you know what I mean? If we were going out, you know, to a restaurant, or whatever, and there was the two of us, but let\rquote s say there was even more, it}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4073606 was all the Ouch! team, and that}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid3212130 kind of thing}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 , there is something delicious sometimes about being this total mish-mash! \endash oh, oh, and the producer\rquote s just going, don\rquote t lump us in with you lot! Hey, hey? \endash you with your sensory impairments, hey?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1134\li1134\ri0\widctlpar\tx1276\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1134\itap0\pararsid6575529 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 Yeah, is it a power, or is it a security? Is that a better word? I mean, I know exactly what you mean, but I think maybe it was just a kind of baptism of fire for me, suddenly being overwhelmed by it, and not going to a special school or anything like that, spending most of my life with not disabled people, suddenly really being in there. I don\rquote t know.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 LIZ\tab No, it does make total sense, and I know other people that I\rquote ve spoken to have had a similar experience, when they\rquote ve gone to impairment-specific things, things just for them, and I know that I went, my first kind of, the thing that I have, that I never talk about, but it\rquote s very similar to rheumatoid arthritis.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 SI\tab What?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 Yeah, it\rquote s similar to that, so I went to something run by a group called Young Arthritis Care, and that was amazing, because there were other people who looked so like me. But I remember, one of the first things that we did, it was like a conference over two days, is we had to go roun d and say our name, and say whether we were disabled or not, right? Or if we were people with a disability, that was it.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 Noo!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 And I was like, I said, oh I\rquote m neither \endash but look at me! \endash you know, I mean it was so obvious. \par \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 \tab Go back a sec, was it a semantic, as in are you a disabled person or a person with a disability?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 Yes, yes.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 And trying to work out whether you\rquote re political?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 LIZ\tab Whether you had ... what your view on that was, whether you had some politics around that issue or not, some people think that that matters, and some people don\rquote t. So that was the first thing, but I also remember, there was a woman who looked very similar to me, in many ways, and I remember giving her the evil eye. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 (((laughs)))}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 It\rquote s funny, and in last month\rquote s podcast, me and Mat were talking about people looking at us, and giving us the eye, right?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 Yeah, yeah.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 Well this time, when they sort of stare and you, and think you\rquote re a bit freakish, I was doing the same to her, because it was a bit like, ooh look at her, look at her with her swollen knees and joints, look at ... oh, she looks all cocksure and confident, and that was only because I was threatened!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 Well I was going to say, I\rquote ve got that kind of competitiveness, in like, I want to be the number one in the room, and now I\rquote m not, there\rquote s someone else who\rquote s a bit similar?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid16260144 No no, I think it was that, }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12743623 but it was insecurity, is what it was, because it was kind of like, look at her \endash she had somebody with her, I was on my own, my PAs had dropped me off \endash in those days, it was a volunteer, so I was there on my own. I didn\rquote t know people, so you know that first evening, where you\rquote re scrambling around to make friends, and ....}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12743623 SI\tab Yes, well obviously for you, very difficult, yeah, yeah. \par \par LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12743623 (((laughs))) ... and she just looked like somebody I think I wanted to be. What\rquote s inter ...}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12743623 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12743623 Oh right \endash it\rquote s admiration?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12743623 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12743623 Yeah, yes but the way that that spilled out, it\rquote s like, oh look at her, I hate her! Am I the only one that does that? \endash why do I say these things!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12743623 SI\tab No, that was lovely, I love the idea that you say, I\rquote ll }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4073606 tell }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12743623 you who I really admire \endash Leona Lewis, I hate her. Let me tell her. No, I know what you mean, because I will meet maybe, if there\rquote s other short men and so on at the convention, there\rquote ll be loads, and there\rquote s good-looking guys, and suddenly there is a kind of a, not a hierarchy, if that\rquote s the right word, but there are differences within differences and so on, and you want to just be cool, and you want to kind of, yeah, hang on, we\rquote re all the same, yadayada, but there\rquote s that, }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5984036 maybe this is what non-disabled people are doing all the time, which I don\rquote t bother to compare myself to someone like that, because I\rquote m superior. But yeah, so maybe there is something. I\rquote m going to get myself into trouble now, you listen to me.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5984036 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5984036 No, I don\rquote t know if maybe we do, maybe we feel the same that non-disabled people feel about us, when they see us?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5984036 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5984036 Yes.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5984036 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5984036 But I think it was, I think she had and was what I wasn\rquote t, and I think sometimes in a group situation, or when you\rquote re shy, when you\rquote re nervous, it\rquote s like, it\rquote s easier to kind of be quite negative about people, and go, look at them, all confident and der der, and actually all it is, it \rquote s because you\rquote re not feeling that way. In actual fact, what happened with this woman is we sat together at dinner, and we became soulmates.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5984036 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5984036 Yeah.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5984036 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid5984036 You know, because we actually were so so similar, and of course I didn\rquote t hate her. I don\rquote t know if I ever told her ... I did, I did tell her that I hated you on first sight! But as soon as we started to talk, what was brilliant, and I\rquote m guessing this is what happens at the LPA convention, is it was like, so you\rquote ve done that? She was older than me, so it was like, what \endash you\rquote re married? Oh my God, what \endash you\rquote ve had sex that way? Or you work, or you ... she had done and experienced things in life that I didn\rquote t know were possible, or even practical, she was saying things about, you can get a PA, a personal assistant, you can do this . But also she felt the same things }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9659703 at times, it was like, do you get fed up when people look at you? And you know when you first find someone that you can admit that to, and say \endash don\rquote t you just hate it, sometimes? I don\rquote t hate being me, but I do hate when people stare or when they point.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10315985 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9659703 And it\rquote s exhausting. That was very revelatory, but I agree with it, and I think it\rquote s the same. I mean, I sometimes think about the convention \endash 2,000 short people, is this weird? Why am I going there? I think there\rquote s two things: one is very straightforward, which is that bit of, you don\rquote t have to discuss certain things, because it\rquote s a given, and you know 25 things about them already, and }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12722790 you\rquote re right, if we go out in a}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9659703 group, we are hugely powerful, hugely self-confident. It kind of oozes out, because we\rquote re playing a game with ourselves, with other people in it, and it\rquote s lovely, you just kind of let it go. A simple thing, putting your arm round somebody, dancing with somebody, giving them a squeeze \endash something that I would never be able to do normally, you are doing routinely. I\rquote m a bit too affectionate perhaps, just going round \endash hey, give him a squeeze, }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9659703\charrsid12722790 and }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12722790\charrsid12722790 (inaudible}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9659703\charrsid12722790 ), just didn\rquote t care!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9659703 Do you lift other people up? \endash I\rquote m just asking.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9659703 SI\tab Yeah, yeah, no, you do have those little gags, you kind of go, because I\rquote ve got very long arms \endash oh, let me reach that for you, I doubt you can reach it. They\rquote re like, what are you doing? \endash you\rquote re short too!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9659703\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9659703 LIZ\tab What? \endash you\rquote re on the sixth floor? Oh, I can reach it!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9659703 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9659703 Oh yeah!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9659703 I can get you there!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9659703 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9659703 I think there is something, but also I\rquote ve found it a little shot in the arm sometimes. It\rquote s a bit like a drug, it kind of gives you a little bit of a pick-me-up. That said, you can be overwhelmed by it, and it can knock you the other way, but if you balance it right, very good.}{ \rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9659703 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9659703 I used to get like that when I used to be involved in something called DAN, the Disabled People\rquote s Direct Action Network. Other people, I\rquote m sure, listening have read about them or been involved in protests.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9659703 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9659703 Yes.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9659703 LIZ\tab Or campaign groups, or whatever disability group you\rquote re involved in.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2904584 Part of being involved with that was not about just getting changed, and ending discrimination and campaigning against it, but it was that feeling of, you chain yourself to a bus or you blockade a road or whatever, oh man, I mean you\rquote re queen of the land, you are!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2904584 SI\tab We had our friend, Liz Crow, went on {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname address}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname Street}}Trafalgar Square{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose} , was it last summer when they had different people on the fourth plinth? I went along to that to go and watch her, to support her, because I thought it was very cool, she was a disabled woman on this, in {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname address}} {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname Street}}Trafalgar Square{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose}.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2904584 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2904584 So she was a wheelchair user on a plinth in Trafalgar Square, and the other statues in Trafalgar Square a re of old generals, and they have the plinth where at that point where regular people could go and have an hour up there, and Liz, Liz Crow, went up there as a wheelchair user, and was dressed at the beginning in a Nazi uniform, wasn\rquote t she?}{ \rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2904584 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2904584 Mmm.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2904584 LIZ\tab To protest, or to make a point about disabled people and what happened to them in the Holocaust, a very powerful piece of art, wasn\rquote t it?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2904584 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2904584 Absolutely, I mean, but the bit that was kind of peculiar for me, I went to support her as an individual, because I thought it was cool, and I knew she was nervous, as anyone would be, but I didn\rquote t realise that Dan was there, and there was a protest, and before I knew it, I was giving out leaflets, and there were people singing songs! I\rquote m like, hang on! \endash I\rquote ve only come down to say hello, and now, it was lovely to be sucked into it. People were coming up and saying, what\rquote s going on? What\rquote s she about? And I went, here you are \endash here\rquote s a leaflet. Suddenly I was a protester, without even meaning to be!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2904584 You were getting people to sign up, but you didn\rquote t know what for!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2904584 Absolutely! Just say no! \endash what to? \endash just say no!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2904584 (((laughs))) Aren\rquote t most protests like that though, aren\rquote t they?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2904584 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2904584 Yeah, absolutely.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2904584 What do we want? \endash I\rquote m not sure, but it\rquote s important. Anyway, we\rquote re discriminated enough \endash do we have to be specific any more?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2904584 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2904584 No, exactly \endash just stop being so picky, just go with it.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2904584 I think it sounds like a great way to spend the summer, I do, but I can imagine, even though you\rquote re cool with it, just the sight \endash I mean, I\rquote d love to come as a spectator, I mean, not, but 2,000 people, all like you, all similar, and even just 2,000 disabled people would just, is mind-boggling.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid2904584 I should say, I\rquote m not cool with it. I am going again,}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 this is my probably seventh time in 15 years, or no, probably sixth time, and I\rquote m going to know for the first few hours, I will be overwhelmed again. I will be paranoid about the size of my tummy, I\rquote ll be paranoid about this. I\rquote ll be a mess, and then gradually you ease in, and then suddenly, at the end of the week when you go out into the real world again, you\rquote re like, oh hang on \endash this is strange now. So yeah, don\rquote t get me wrong, I\rquote m not balanced, it\rquote s just ... well, I hope I\rquote m reasonably balanced, but it\rquote s still a bit jumpy. I just think it is just overwhelming, and maybe you see loads of people having a great time, and you don \rquote t know whether you quite fit in, and then after a day or two you think, yeah I do, but it just takes that little bit of time to ease in.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 (((radio crackling)))}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 \par VOICEVER \par \par You\rquote re listening to the Ouch! Talk Show! \par \par (((jingle)))}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 SI\tab (((talks very slowly))) Now, it\rquote s time for Vegetable, Vegetable or Vegetable. I am very excited to be able to play this game. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 \par LIZ\tab You should be \endash it\rquote s a classic.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 Yeah, although when I heard you and Mat play the game, do you deliberately sometimes get it wrong when you\rquote re trying to guess?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 Yeah, no that\rquote s right, we do. We often really correctly guess it, but we just, we like to give the listeners the feeling that they\rquote re actually winning.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 Now you\rquote re bluffing me, aren\rquote t you? You have no idea.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 We\rquote re just rubbish, we\rquote re just rubbish!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 I know I\rquote m shooting myself in the foot here, but I\rquote m sort of shouting at the computer, or iPod or whatever, and I\rquote m saying, hang on, keep going, keep going! \endash and then you back off to another angle.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 I know, no, no, we think we\rquote ve gone down a road, we think that\rquote s it, we\rquote ve gone down there, and then we miss it \endash how many times do we, well how many times do we get it right? \endash very rarely.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 \lquote Tis true. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 Very rarely. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 Once, I think, I think I\rquote ve heard once.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 Well, shall we introduce this month\rquote s contestant? It\rquote s Lauren in Philadephia. Hello, Lauren.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 LAUREN}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 Hello.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname City}} Philadelphia{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose} \endash is that the place where the cheese is from?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 LAUREN\tab Well, we have cheese steaks, and they\rquote re awesome.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 LIZ\tab Oh, I\rquote ve heard of that \endash a {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname City}}Philadelphia{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose} cheese steak.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4226140 SI\tab Oh.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648 LAUREN\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4226140 Erm, it\rquote s ...}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4226140 \par SI\tab Go on. \par \par LAUREN\tab ...just amazingly good, shredded beef with Cheese Whizz. \par \par SI\tab But you ... it\rquote s not {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname City}}Philadelphia{\*\xmlclose} cheese as we know it \endash do you have a brand called {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname City}}Philadelphia {\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose} cheese there, a soft cream cheese? \par \par LAUREN\tab Yep, we do have {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname City}}Philadelphia{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose} cream cheese. \par \par SI\tab I don\rquote t know why I asked that \endash it\rquote s a bit of rubbish cheese sort of topic. \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1653648\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4226140 LIZ\tab It is, sorry, yes, it\rquote s a cheesy beginning. Well Lauren, it\rquote s good to have you on here. So what do you do?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4226140\charrsid12722790 LAUREN}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid12722790 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529\charrsid12722790 I actually }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12722790\charrsid12722790 (inaudible}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529\charrsid12722790 ) for}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid12722790 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529\charrsid12722790 doctors.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4226140 SI\tab I\rquote m}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 sorry \endash you do what for doctors?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 LAUREN \tab Which means I do ... no, I don\rquote t work for them, I basically do the background checks.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 And I should explain that, this partly me, but the line\rquote s slightly echoey, so those listeners, every now and then we might just get you to repeat it \endash it\rquote s just the line, I think.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 LIZ\tab Lauren\rquote s on her mobile \endash she\rquote s snuck out of work, listeners \endash that\rquote s what she\rquote s done! She shouldn\rquote t be doing it. Anyway, they\rquote re only doctors, it doesn\rquote t really matter, does it? \endash it doesn\rquote t matter. And life in {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname City}}Philadelphia{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose} \endash is that where you \rquote re from? You\rquote ve got a good life there, what do you do in your spare time?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 LAUREN}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 I\rquote m actually really an artist and a historian, that\rquote s what I went to university for, but you can\rquote t make money as an artist.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 LIZ\tab Oh no! So you\rquote re doing something else in the meantime?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 LAUREN}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 Yes, pretty much.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 SI\tab Have you ever seen Leona Lewis live in concert?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 LAUREN}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 No.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{ \rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 OK, do you know who Leona Lewis is}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 ? \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 LAUREN\tab Not off hand.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 He\rquote s teasing me, Lauren \endash that\rquote s what he\rquote s doing.}{ \rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 She\rquote s a dodgy pop star.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 LIZ\tab So Simon \endash are you going to read the rules? You\rquote ve heard them Lauren, you know how to play, I\rquote m sure.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 LAUREN\tab Uhum.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 So, the game Vegetable, Vegetable, Vegetable is a clever disability interpretation of the parlour game, Animal, Vegetable or Mineral.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 Faster!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 In the game, the two hosts of the Ouch! Talk Show have 90 seconds to guess what is wrong with the disabled caller on the line, by asking a series of fiendishly intelligent questions. The caller must only answer yes or no, it is both classic and therapeutic.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 To take part in this intrusive and unpleasant game, the rules clearly state that you have to be disabled. Lauren \endash are you disabled?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 LAUREN\tab Yes.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 Yes.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 We have 90 seconds on the clock, the time starts ... now.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 Do you use a wheelchair?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 LAUREN\tab No.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 Is it a physical disability?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 LAUREN\tab Sometimes.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 LIZ\tab Do you have ME?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 LAUREN\tab What\rquote s that?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 LIZ\tab Ooh, hmm.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid4010104 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 SI\tab It is chronic fatigue syndrome.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 Chronic fatigue.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 LAUREN\tab No.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 \par SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 If we met you, would we be able to tell that you had a disability?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6575529 LAUREN\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 Hmm ....}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 Hurry! Hurry! You\rquote re stalling!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 LAUREN\tab Not really.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 Not really?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 LIZ\tab Are you really disabled?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 LAUREN\tab Yes.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 So it\rquote s sort of hidden, somewhere hidden. So about your head, are you a bit mentalist?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 LAUREN\tab Yeah, it\rquote s in the head.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 Oh ...}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 It\rquote s in the head.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 Come on, we\rquote re going to be going along the right line.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 LIZ\tab Oh no, I don\rquote t know. Do you take tablets for it?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 LAUREN\tab No.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 Do you see a therapist for it?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 LAUREN\tab No.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 SI\tab Do you think you should?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 LAUREN\tab (((laughs)))}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 SI\tab Is it daytime, night}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12722790 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 time, all the time, sometimes?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 LAUREN\tab All the time.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 SI\tab All the time. }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 LIZ\tab Is it worse at different times of the year?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 LAUREN\tab Yeah.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 SI\tab Oh, so like, that could be weather, is it Seasonal Affective, is it something like that? \endash SAD?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875 LAUREN\tab Yeah, that\rquote s definitely is a}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 part.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 LIZ\tab Ah, that\rquote s certainly ....}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 SI\tab What did you say, that is part of the part?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 LIZ\tab That\rquote s part of it, is it MS?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 LAUREN\tab Yes.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 SI\tab What was?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 LAUREN\tab Yes.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 SI\tab Did you say yes? No, no!!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116 LIZ\tab No, no! I\rquote ve never been so excited to hear that somebody\rquote s got MS in my life! Wooh!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid932116\charrsid12722790 LAUREN\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12722790 (i}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12722790\charrsid12722790 naudible}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875\charrsid12722790 ), you said MS?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875 LIZ:\tab Yeah.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875\charrsid12722790 LAUREN\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12722790\charrsid12722790 Or MF (inaudible}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875\charrsid12722790 )}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875 Or both of them, whichever one you\rquote ve got.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875 LIZ\tab Yeah, whichever one. What have you got \endash we\rquote ve said that one?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875 Multiple sclerosis.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1134\li1134\ri0\widctlpar\tx1276\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1134\itap0\pararsid6046875 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875 Yes, well that\rquote s \endash I\rquote ve forgotten what it means.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1134\li1134\ri0\widctlpar\tx1276\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1134\itap0\pararsid6575529 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875 I can\rquote t believe we got it!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875 You see \endash you\rquote re my lucky charm! I don\rquote t mean that in a patronising way.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875 Thanks very much, I\rquote ll be your little mascot, shall I? I know where you get this.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875 LIZ\tab You\rquote re not a leprechaun, oh my God, it\rquote s getting worse!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875 Lauren, I feel very bad, because we got it, but I feel very excited inside.}{ \rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1134\li1134\ri0\widctlpar\tx1276\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1134\itap0\pararsid6046875 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875\charrsid6046875 LAUREN\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875 Oh, it\rquote s good that you got it.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1134\li1134\ri0\widctlpar\tx1276\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1134\itap0\pararsid6575529 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875 I did think, with the telephone line, you might have been someone in a bubble, I was hoping you\rquote d be a girl in a bubble.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875\charrsid6046875 LAUREN\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875 That\rquote d be interesting on the subway.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875 And Lauren, we\rquote d had this note from the producer, right \endash he \rquote d said, what you should do, when you\rquote re playing Veg, Veg or Veg, is do listen to their voices, because sometimes people have different voices, depending on what\rquote s wrong with them, right? Some people have a squeakier voice, or a flatter voice, but you can sometimes tell somebody\rquote s impairment by their voice, so we were very listening to you. I thought that was a clue, but it wasn\rquote t. It was your phone all along.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6046875 SI\tab When people find out you have MS, how do they react? What sort of questions do they ask? }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951\charrsid6046875 LAUREN}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 \tab A lot of people are shocked, and then they ask what\rquote s really wrong with me. They can\rquote t see the numbness, and it \rquote s like, I can\rquote t feel the right side of my body.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 SI\tab OK.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951\charrsid6046875 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 Because people can\rquote t see that?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951\charrsid12722790 LAUREN\tab (}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12722790\charrsid12722790 inaudible}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951\charrsid12722790 )}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 Thank you very much. Now, Lauren, I feel a bit bad, because we whooped and cheered about the fact that you have MS, which ...}{ \rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 Well, which ...}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 ... but you did ring up, so I mean that\rquote s why we do it.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 Since they\rquote re not prizes, no, of course they\rquote re not, the 大象传媒 wouldn\rquote t do that, we can\rquote t do that , I think that you should be sent an Ouch! commuter mug anyway.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951\charrsid6046875 LAUREN\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 Thank you.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 LIZ\tab Would that be OK? \endash I mean, I hope you can lift it.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951\charrsid6046875 LAUREN\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 If not, I\rquote ll tie it on.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 LIZ\tab Brilliant, and there\rquote s always straws.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951\charrsid6046875 LAUREN\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 Yes!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 Thank you for applyi ng to be on Veg, Veg, Veg, thank you for being a winning contestant, and thank you for sending us an email that said, \'93Yes, I do have no dignity whatsoever, and would like to be on Vegetable, Vegetable, Vegetable\'94 \endash it\rquote s what gets people on. So thanks Lauren, you take care.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 LAUREN\tab Thank you, you too.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 Thank you, Lauren.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12722790 LIZ\tab And I hope you don\rquote t }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 get sacked.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1134\li1134\ri0\widctlpar\tx1276\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1134\itap0\pararsid6255951 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 If you, as Liz said, have no dignity and want to be the next contestant on Vegetable, Vegetable or Vegetable, email us now }{\field{\*\fldinst {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 HYPERLINK "mailto:ouch@bbc.co.uk" }}{\fldrslt {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \cs15\f1\ul\cf2\insrsid6255951\charrsid2704051 ouch@bbc.co.uk}}}\sectd \linex0\headery708\footery708\colsx708\endnhere\sectlinegrid360\sectdefaultcl\sftnbj {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 , that is }{\field{\*\fldinst {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 HYPERLINK "mailto:ouch@bbc.co.uk" }}{\fldrslt {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \cs15\f1\ul\cf2\insrsid6255951\charrsid2704051 ouch@bbc.co.uk}}} \sectd \linex0\headery708\footery708\colsx708\endnhere\sectlinegrid360\sectdefaultcl\sftnbj {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 .}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951\charrsid1985880 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1134\li1134\ri0\widctlpar\tx1276\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1134\itap0\pararsid6575529 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid12722790\charrsid12722790 LIZ }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid12722790 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951\charrsid12722790 If you\rquote ve never seen a severely handicapped person trying to}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 speak before, it can be a bit alarming.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 On the line, we have Ally Craig from Bug Prentice. Hi there, Ally.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 ALLY\tab Hi.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 Can I ask, where are you at the moment?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 ALLY}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 I\rquote m in Grove, at home.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 \tab And what are you doing, or what are you planning this weekend?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 ALLY\tab Well, we\rquote ve just been practising ready for {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname City}}Glastonbury{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose}, where we\rquote ll be playing twice on Saturday.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 Fantastic. Actually, we should just mention that we\rquote re recording this just before {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname City}}Glastonbury{\*\xmlclose}, but the Talk Show listeners, when you pick this up, it will just be a few days after {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname City} }Glastonbury{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose}. That sounds awesome \endash have you played {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname City}}Glastonbury{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose} before?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 ALLY}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 No, this is the first time I\rquote ve even been, so ...}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 Have you got your wellingtons?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 ALLY\tab Well, I don\rquote t really need them, because I\rquote m in a wheelchair, so I will get special wheels, or something.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid6255951 I hope the weather stays good. Now we should explain, Bug Prentice is a three-piece band from }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname City}}London{\*\xmlclose} and {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname City}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}Oxford{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose}. The other members are not disabled, but we\rquote re going to namecheck them anyway: Ruth Goller is on base, Stephen Gilchrist is on drums, and Ally, you\rquote re lead guitar on vocals?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 ALLY}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 That is correct, although for {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname City}}Glastonbury {\*\xmlclose}, neither Steve nor Ruth were available, so I\rquote ve had to train some last-minute stand ins, so for {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname City}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}}Glastonbury{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose} }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid939291 we actually have Colin Somervell}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 on bass, and Edgar Post on drums.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 Well we\rquote re going to, Ally, we\rquote re going to play out with a track from the band at the end of the show, but in the meantime we\rquote ve got some quick-fire questions for you. Are you ready?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 ALLY}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 As ready as I\rquote ll ever be.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 LIZ\tab OK, why is the band called Bug Prentice?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 ALLY\tab Because it is!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 \tab Very good!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 Classy!}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 It must have come from somewhere, that\rquote s quite a strange ... I dunno, strange two words.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 LIZ\tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 It\rquote s not from a film \endash how did you come up with it? You can\rquote t have just been sitting there, and gone \endash I know, this would be a good idea?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 ALLY}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 Well you know, sometimes words just come to your head. I actually had a couple of different suggestions for the band name, and I presented them to Steve and Ruth, and that was the one they both picked, so that\rquote s what we went for.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 Well, it sounds democratic, if nothing else. The audience are going to listen to the music in a moment, but how would you describe Bug Prentice\rquote s music style?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 ALLY}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 I\rquote d say it\rquote s kind of jazz-tinged punk. We\rquote ve gone in for the rhythms and energy of punk, but the harmonic influence of people like Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane, although I should qualify that I\rquote m not nearly as talented as they are.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 And when people ask you what\rquote s wrong with you, what do you tell them, Ally? \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 ALLY\tab I\rquote m very sad.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 \tab OK, can you complete the phrase: disabled rock stars are ...}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 ALLY}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 Playing at {\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname City}}{\*\xmlopen\xmlns2{\factoidname place}} Glastonbury{\*\xmlclose}{\*\xmlclose}.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 What do the band wear on stage?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 ALLY}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 As little as possible.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 (((gasps)))}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1856637 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 Ah, it\rquote s that sort of band. If you could duet with anyone alive o r dead (this is a very musical question), who would it be with?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 ALLY}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 John Coltrane.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 LIZ\tab Could you complete the phrase: my biggest nightmare is?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1263238 ALLY\tab Being rendered obsolete by a tribute act to me.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid939291 LIZ/SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid939291 (((they laugh)))}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid939291 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid939291 You\rquote ve thought that one through. OK, so when you\rquote re not actually performing, Ally, what do you get up to?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid939291 ALLY\tab Well, I write songs and think about songs, and watch a lot of films.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid939291 LIZ\tab And take your clothes off, by the sounds of it. What\rquote s the future for Bug Prentice?}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid939291 ALLY\tab Well, we\rquote d love to record an album. We\rquote ve probably got enough songs written now that we could think about doing that, so it\rquote s just a case of finding the time and the money.}{ \rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid939291 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid939291 Well, thanks for that, Ally \endash we\rquote ve just got a bit of housekeeping to do to wrap up the show, and then we\rquote ll be back with you, so thanks so far.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid939291 ALLY\tab Cheers.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid939291 LIZ\tab Well, that\rquote s the end of Show 53 for July 2010. Thank you for listening, and thank you for being my co-host, Simon.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid939291 SI}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid939291 Thank you so much for having me, Liz.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid939291 LIZ}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid939291 Pleasure. Next month, standing in for Mat Fraser is Gary O\rquote Donohue.}{ \rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid9206580 Thanks to the production team:}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid939291 Damon Rose, Emma Tracey and Amy Gardner. The studio manager was Chris Muir, and our executive producer is Lisa Percy.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid939291 SI\tab You can read more about Bug Prentice at their website, bugprentice.com, and we\rquote ll put a link to it on the Ouch! website too. It\rquote s time for Liz and I to say goodbye, and the last voice you will hear this month is Ally Craig. He\rquote s just about to introduce his track. Cheerio, and cue Ally.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid72126 \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1134\li1134\ri0\widctlpar\tx1276\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1134\itap0\pararsid939291 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid939291 ALLY}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid1985880\charrsid1985880 \tab }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid939291 This is called, \'93A train, then a train, then a train\'94. It\rquote s about trains.}{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid15427267 \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid939291 \par (((guitar intro))) \par \par Uhu-oo, uhu-ooo, I can feel the flames \par That\rquote s the reason it took me so long to ride it again \par Catch a train, then a train, then a train. \par \par I know, yes I know, you\rquote ll keep me entertained \par And I\rquote ll never want to go back home again \par I will miss my TV. \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10647474 \par Woo-hoo-hoo! \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1134\li1134\ri0\widctlpar\tx1276\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1134\itap0\pararsid10647474 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10647474 Woo-hoo-hoo! \par }\pard \ltrpar\ql \fi-1134\li1134\ri0\widctlpar\tx1276\wrapdefault\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin1134\itap0\pararsid939291 {\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10647474 \par Let\rquote s see if we get so far, we get so far \par That\rquote s all we know, all we know is our guitars \par Catch a train, then a train, then a train, then a bus \par \par }{\rtlch\fcs1 \af1 \ltrch\fcs0 \f1\insrsid10647474\charrsid1985880 \par }}