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What is more important, story or character?
Story. There is far too much bullshit talked about whether someone is a 鈥榞ood enough character鈥� for a film. Usually that comes with these absurd 鈥榬ules鈥� about what a 鈥榗haracter鈥� in a film should be like, and far too many films nowadays have very similar formulaic characters in them . If something interesting has happened, let鈥檚 just tell the story.

What made you first want to explore the subject?
It was a story in a newspaper. Documentaries usually look to criticise the world around them, expose corruption and fraud in the worlds beyond film-making, but here was a story where the fraud actually was, or seemed to be the film-making. I thought the subject told us a lot about naivety, desperation and dodginess in the film industry, as well as just the difficulty of getting films made, which so many of us have encountered. Sure it is an extreme case of VAT fraud, but we all know that money has to be juggled, and chances taken to get a film made.

How long did it take to get the film off the ground?
It took over a year. I found the subject in March 2013. The 大象传媒 commissioned it in 30 seconds! But other broadcasters were not so receptive. I pitched it at the Sheffield Documentary festival with 45 meetings, and came away with a tiny offer from an Israeli channel. I am a well-known film-maker but still it is ever more difficult to get TV channels and film funds to take an interest in a story which is not formulaic, which does not have a story of triumph at its heart, a loveable character who overcomes insuperable odds to do x, y or z鈥� and I despise those kinds of stories because life is not that nice. I started making the film in mid 2013 and only finished in Nov 2015. Getting several of the interviews took a year.

What were you most surprised to learn in the course of production?
I found 300GBs of behind the scenes footage including video diaries. After being arrested and released on bail, the convicted film-fraudsters didn鈥檛 just make a film 鈥楢 Landscape of Lies鈥� to prove their innocence, they recorded video diaries in which they attempted to explain everything that had done since 2010 as legit. The whole thing was a giant cinematic alibi.

Which documentary has most inspired you?
Recently? Cartel Land. Previously? Kurt and Courtney

Favourite Website/blog?
www.thebrowser.com

Person you鈥檇 most like to interview (living or dead?)
Little Richard

Best piece of filmmaking advice you鈥檝e ever been given?
Always think where to put the camera

Best piece of filmmaking equipment you can鈥檛 live without?
My 4k tiny Panasonic LX-100

If money was no object, what is your dream documentary subject?
The history of the Hammond organ

Favourite film of all time?
Taxi Driver

Most difficult access?
HMRC, the British tax office

Best recent read?
Italo Calvino 鈥淚f on a winter鈥檚 night a traveller鈥�