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Oz Katerji was reporting from outside the children’s hospital in Kyiv that was hit earlier this week. He explains how he reached the decision to stop being a journalist and - for a few hours – join the rescue effort.

Also in the programme, how should newsrooms engage with populist movements, some of which are hostile to the press? After the National Rally faced a surprise defeat in the French elections, did the media get the story wrong? Ros and Katie speak to Dr Ayala Panievsky, presidential fellow at City University and Victor Goury-Laffont, politics reporter at Politico Europe.