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This week on the podcast Fi and Jane are joined by writer and broadcaster Afua Hirsch.

The former barrister, journalist, podcast host and author of Brit(ish): On Race, Identity and Belonging discusses how conversations have changed in the wake of the recent protests against racial injustice across the world. Afua also talks about what she might do next if she were in Number 10, Fi goes through her CV and the three of them mull over charms of services stations.

Before Afua joined the video call Fi and Jane go through some missives from around the world, there's an appraisal of a future boss and a glimpse inside Jane's wardrobe.

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