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Fitness coach Joe Wicks talks to musician Dermot Kennedy to find out what he does to keep himself feeling mentally and physically strong.

Dermot went from busking in Dublin to being one of the most streamed Irish artists, and his story is one of self-determination and hard work. During the 2020 lockdown he worked on the follow up to his hit debut album, which topped the charts in the UK and Ireland.

In their conversation, Dermot opens up to Joe about the pressures of life on the road and the importance of keeping healthy and grounded. He explains how gaming helps him relax and says that he's never happier than when he鈥檚 surrounded by the Irish countryside.

Joe鈥檚 hit Radio 4 podcast is now available to watch on 大象传媒 iPlayer.