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10th June 2022bbc.co.uk/accessallAccess All – Episode 6
Presented by Nikki Fox and Emma Tracey
NIKKI- There was a colleague’s leaving do last night so I stayed in a hotel. And I believe, Emma Tracey, so did you. 
EMMA- I did, for the first time in years because of the pandemic. So, I just wanted to re-remember my top tips for being a blind person in a hotel room, right.
NIKKI- At number ten…
EMMA- Well, A, put from five minutes to an hour onto your getting ready time in the morning so that you can feel all the walls till you find the socket, which will be in the very last corner of the very last wall that you feel if you’re totally blind, right. Everything you need will be tucked away somewhere odd. So, this morning I found the bathmat, and I remember getting out of the shower yesterday going, god this is quite slippery, isn’t it? But it was rolled up at the end of the bath, right. All the toiletries feel exactly the same, so the shampoo and conditioners, either bring your own or be prepared to get an app out on your phone when you’re naked ready to get into the shower. Find a well-lit spot and get your app to take a picture of the toiletry and tell you which one’s which. And then try and rip the label off one of them so you can tell them apart when you’re in the shower. 
NIKKI- No.
EMMA- This is all happening in the morning. And then the tea making stuff in my hotel was at head height, and wired in at head height in a wardrobe. 
NIKKI- No.
EMMA- Yeah. I mean, I could have just not had tea. 
NIKKI- You have to have tea.
EMMA- You just do need tea.
NIKKI- It’s the first thing you go for. You have to find the kettle. 
EMMA- You have to find the kettle. But you see I just forgot all my strategies because I hadn’t done it in so long. I had to relearn it all and remind myself that I need to do a massive reccy of the hotel room when I go in and get someone to help me figure out the telly and that.
NIKKI- So, is that what you do, you get someone to go in with you first, figure it out and then you’re fine to be flying solo?
EMMA- Yeah, that would be the ideal situation. When I’m on my holidays I spend ages going around feeling everything, opening all the drawers. And then if there’s anything I don’t understand either asking my husband or ringing down to reception and getting someone up. But when I’ve got time I love a hotel room. 
NIKKI- Yeah.
EMMA- I love the way they use the space. Actually I love everything about it. And I love really exploring it. That makes me sound geeky.
NIKKI- No, I do too. A great layout,. 
EMMA- Can’t beat it. 
NIKKI- Honestly do not underestimate an amazing layout. 
EMMA- No.
NIKKI- When everything is in its right place.
EMMA- But this is it, I have to know where everything is. When I know where everything is it just speeds everything up so much. 
NIKKI- Yes. There are sensible ways to have things. 
EMMA- And tea in the wardrobe at head height is not one of them. 
NIKKI- No, definitely not. 
MUSIC- Theme music. 
NIKKI- This is Access All, the ´óÏó´«Ã½â€™s disability and mental health podcast. I’m Nikki Fox and I’m in London. 
EMMA- And I’m Emma Tracey and this time I’m also in London. 
NIKKI- Yay!
EMMA- Yay!
NIKKI- We’re not separated. 
EMMA- No, it’s lovely. 
NIKKI- Oh, it’s so nice to see your face in person, Emma, and to give you a hug. We may not have been podcasting last week but we were actually working, weren’t we?
EMMA- We were. 
NIKKI- Well, you were. On Wednesday Access All joined up with Radio 4’s Money Box Live programme to extend our disability expertise to the nation. And Emma, I’m so proud to say you were delivering that expertise to that nation. You were one of the presenters. 
EMMA- Yes I was.
NIKKI- And our WhatsApp group was going bonkers because you were so good. 
EMMA- Oh thank you. I was doing it with lovely Adam Shaw who was the most supportive person and did the best adjustments for a blind presenter that I’ve ever seen. 
NIKKI- Oh that’s really nice to hear. 
EMMA- Yeah. 
NIKKI- Well, tell us more. 
EMMA- It was all about the cost of living. It was a follow-on from our episode we did a month or so ago about energy prices specifically. Do you remember Adele?
ADELE- The hoists an things like that have to be on charge 24/7.
EMMA- And Dan:
DAN- It’s just no way to live.
NIKKI- That really did upset me, Dan, actually. He got quite emotional, didn’t he?
EMMA- He did. Really, really tough times for disabled families. 
NIKKI- Yeah. On Money Box Live, Em, you got some immediate reaction from listeners about this topic. Some had no idea of the hardships. Like Janette, she got in contact, she said, ‘I am appalled that in this rich country we’re not funding the cost of looking after disabled people who are being supported at  home by their families. Where is our humanity and our compassion for families dealing with such extreme difficulties? How has this shameful situation been allowed to happen?’.
EMMA- That is a big long conversation in itself, isn’t it?
NIKKI- It really is, isn’t it? If you listened to the programme that Emma was part of, Money Box Live, you’ll have heard lovely Rob, who is with us now. And Rob spoke about the impact of the cost of living crisis and what’s that had on his mental health. 
ROB- It’s time to get the invisible disabilities back in this conversation. 
EMMA- You’re absolutely right. 
NIKKI- Can you tell us a bit about how your mental health affects you and how this current situation that we’re in with the cost of living really impacts you? 
ROB- Okay, so I have a personality disorder, and one of the things that happens is under stress I’m unable to cope. So, that can be as basic as depression will hit and I can’t get out of bed; it can be I can’t walk into a shop because of anxiety; it means I can’t get onto a train or a bus because there’s too many people there; that I’ll become paranoid. So, the stresses are one of those things that I can’t control. I’m lucky, I’ve been in therapy and I have had support. But the cost of living is just something that’s completely outside of my control but can set up a whole series of behavioural problems. Once the warning came about these price rises I turned the thermostat on my boiler down by ten degrees so I wouldn’t use too much hot water. 
NIKKI- Right. 
ROB- And I turned off my heating at Christmas. 
NIKKI- You must have been freezing!
ROB- Yes.
NIKKI- And that was your immediate reaction to that situation. 
ROB- Yes.
NIKKI- And it wasn’t something you could control, then? 
ROB- No, I couldn’t. The only thing I could control was how much energy I use. At night I turn on one lamp. 
NIKKI- Oh Rob. 
ROB- So, that will be either a lamp while I’m sitting in the lounge, or I’ll turn on one light when I go to try and cook something. And of course I’ve stopped cooking as much because I’ve got an old cooker and they’re very inefficient. 
EMMA- What happens when a bill letter comes through the door? How does that affect you? What do you do? 
ROB- So, I specifically have a thing that you call form blindness, so I can’t understand it. 
NIKKI- Oh.
EMMA- Ah, so you can see it but you can’t understand the words?
ROB- I can see it but I can’t understand it, yeah.
NIKKI- Right, okay. 
ROB- But if you brought me your PIP letter I could sit there and I could take you right through it and tell you everything it said and what it meant. But because it’s about me I can’t translate it. 
NIKKI- Excuse my naivety here, Rob, but is that like a reaction to sort of blind panic because it is related to you? 
ROB- It feels like, yeah. So, that’s a really good way of explaining it actually. One of my first support workers told me that one of the things they do early on is ask people to bring their mail to them because they would turn up with a carrier bag full of letters they couldn’t open. 
NIKKI- Really? 
ROB- Which of course puts you in a situation where you get into more trouble. 
NIKKI- It might be a good time to mention Helen Undy from the organisation Money and Mental Health. She tells us that a lot of people can’t access support from energy companies in particular when it  comes to bills. 
HELEN- One of the big issues that we’ve found is people struggling to get access to help and support. So, we know from our research over half of people with mental health problems have significant difficulty using the telephone. And that means people are having heart palpitations, panic attacks; it’s not just wanting to use the phone, it’s really not being able to. And yet most energy companies the extra customer support that they put in place for what they would call a vulnerable customer is only on the phone. And for as long that’s the case there’s a real barrier to people with disabilities, and particularly people with mental health problems, getting access to support. And at Money and Mental Health we published an urgent guide last month calling on energy firms to improve access to support and mapping out exactly what they should do. And we want to see the regulator taking a really tough line on firms who aren’t providing the help and support that they should be. 
NIKKI- And what are you doing, Rob, to cut down on your energy use?
ROB- Well, my energy use is as low as I can get it. So, now I’ve started on reducing my food use even more. 
NIKKI- Right. 
EMMA- What do you mean reducing your food use, Rob?
ROB- I have one meal a day. I fill up with bad carbs. And I shop at the yellow sticker section, which of course now has less in it because more of us are trying to do it. 
EMMA- Your family must be, because I know you’ve got some family around you, they must be absolutely distraught for you. 
ROB- They didn’t know. 
EMMA- Oh. 
NIKKI- Did they not? 
ROB- Why would I tell them? Why would I take on shame on top of fear, on top of anxiety, and on top of stress?
NIKKI- Yeah. So, have you been the master of disguise for some time then? 
ROB- Absolutely. 
EMMA- I do think a lot of disabled people do that: disguise everything. 
ROB- Yes. Well, let me ask you two ladies, because you live with impairments, what are you seen as impairments, how often have you told people that you’re fine or you’ll make the plan or you’ll sort it out? 
NIKKI- Yes.
EMMA- Hmm.
NIKKI- Now, Rob, there was something that you wanted to talk to us about particularly, isn’t there? 

ROB- It is about the cost of food and its impact on people with various forms of mental health issues. So, imagine if you have an eating disorder and as part of your care plan you have to plan, buy and prepare specific food which has now doubled in price. 
NIKKI- Yeah. 
ROB- Or imagine that you have an autistic person in your family who has habitualised their food, so they eat certain colours or they eat certain shapes. And now that’s no longer something you can purchase because you can’t afford it. 
NIKKI- Rob, can I just ask you, go back to you telling me about eating only meal a day, is that something you absolutely have to do then? Why is it the one meal a day? Is that again because of your mental health? Is it panic? 
EMMA- Or is it actual financial need?
ROB- It’s a combination of both. So, benefits day is on Friday, and if I don’t have £100 in my bank account on Sunday night before my benefits day in case anything comes in, any bill comes in or something happens, I can’t function. 
NIKKI- Yeah. And so having that 100 quid in your account if you didn’t have that that would just be like, woah, too much?
ROB- Yeah, because I had a bill that came in unexpectedly and then didn’t sleep for four days. 
EMMA- Oh goodness. 
NIKKI- Okay. What do you think should be done? What can be done?
ROB- Well, pushing to help to make disclosure easier. 
EMMA- Can you explain that a little bit more?
ROB- Okay. So, energy companies and some of the banks have got vulnerable lists for people with mental problems, which gives you a different level of support. 
NIKKI- Yes.
ROB- But we’re constantly having to choose if we do or don’t disclose, if that gives us access to or doesn’t give us access to further help. 
NIKKI- Okay. 
EMMA- So, if you do or don’t tell them exactly your impairment and how it affects you? 
ROB- Yeah. 
EMMA- Rob, thank you. 
NIKKI- Rob, honestly it’s been such a pleasure chatting to you. I know it’s not easy but you speak so beautifully about it, something that obviously you’re living, so thank you so very much. I hope I get to speak to you again some time. 
ROB- The Money and Mental Health Institute have a research community that I’m part of, and it’s thanks to them that I’ve been able to find a voice. 
NIKKI- Now, we’ve got another email we received after the programme, Emma. It’s from Darren who has a muscle condition and he was talking about the many extra costs. He says, ‘I don’t wish to discuss all of them as some are very personal, but some include emollients, wheelchair maintenance, motor maintenance, leg AFOs – which I must admit I don’t know what they are but we’ll find out – chiropody and treatments, adaptations, hoists, wheelchair mats and a special wheelchair cushion. Not as affordable as people think’. It’s expensive stuff here. He includes a link actually to the wheelchair cushion; they cost £538. 
EMMA- A cushion!
NIKKI- And I’ve just heard from our wonderful and very smart team in the gallery, an AFO is a splint. I must go back to that email from Darren because he says, ‘Things which used to be available on the NHS are no longer available. The £150 help from the government for disabled people doesn’t touch the sides’. 
EMMA- Actually Nikki, in case Darren isn’t aware, there is some more support available since 26th May. So, along with the £150 you get for non-means tested benefits like PIP, personal independence payments, which I think that’s what Darren was referring to, we know that every household gets £400 towards the cost of energy. And there’s going to be £650 available for people on means tested benefits like universal credit. 
NIKKI- Okay. Please do get in touch. Contact us if you want to carry on talking about the cost of living. This is something that’s going to be going on for a very long time. We’ll be keeping across that subject because we know energy costs are going to be getting even more expensive come October, which I imagine is very terrifying for so many people. And you never know, I might turn up with the old news cameras as well and film. We can do a double whammy, Emma: we can do a ´óÏó´«Ã½ Access All podcast/´óÏó´«Ã½ News combination like we did with Adele.
EMMA- Tell us your stories and we’ll try and help your voice get heard. 
NIKKI- Yes, anything. Now, Em, I was going to ask you if you’re a Love Island fan but I know you and I don’t really watch it. So, we’ve basically just grabbed one of our brilliant team members here, Keiligh. You’re now our entertainment reporter for Access All. Is that all right, Keiligh? 
KEILIGH- I love that. What a title. 
NIKKI- What a title, from now on. so, tell us about Love Island. 
KEILIGH- Yeah. So, this year big deal, first ever deaf contestant. 
NIKKI- Ah? I had read something about that actually. Had you, Em?
EMMA- Yes, Tasha. 
KEILIGH- That’s right. 
NIKKI- Tasha. 
KEILIGH- So, it’s a big deal because she’s the first ever deaf contestant. There  have been disabled people in the past. Last year they had a contestant who was born with a club foot and he had a slight limp. We actually did a podcast episode about that. 
NIKKI- I couldn’t spot him out of the crowd though, I’m not going to lie. I was like, call that a disability mate? Come on!
EMMA- Ooh. 
NIKKI- Yeah. No, I wasn’t buying that as a disabled contestant. I was like, oh get to the back of the queue love. Do you know what I mean?
EMMA- But Tasha though. 
NIKKI- Yeah. No, I mean it’s not great, your disability. I understand that I’m coming across as an incredibly competitive disabled person. But that’s good, it’s good. We’re kind of seeing more deafness on TV with Rose from Strictly. Is she, Keiligh, a BSL user? 
KEILIGH- I believe she is. She hasn’t spoken about it yet. We’re only, I believe, only three episodes in at this point at the time of recording. But I believe she is. She was born deaf and she now has an implant, so she can hear everyone, she doesn’t have an interpreter with her. She’s interacting with the other cast mates and they are all really impressed. She told them all straight off the bat that she was born deaf and she’s got this implant. And the reaction was fantastic. Obviously this is great, progress, we love to see disabled people on TV, we don’t see enough of them. But when the episode went out at 9 o’clock on Monday night it wasn’t subtitled. So, lots of deaf people that had tuned in to see the first ever deaf contestant didn’t actually know what was going on. 
TASHA- My name is Tasha Ghouri. I’m 23 and I’m literally from North Yorkshire, I’m a model and a dancer. My dating history is actually a shambles. I would say I probably go on about six to ten dates a month. I’ve literally just been looking for a guy just to really accept me for me. Just to find a guy that’s like I love Tasha just because of who she is. That’s the sentence that I would love to hear. 
NIKKI- I am sorry, Tasha, what was it, eight to ten dates a month? 
KEILIGH- She must be exhausted.
NIKKI- Sod being deaf, eight to ten dates a month.
KEILIGH- Does she have a roster that she sees or are these new people every time? 
NIKKI- If it’s new people it’s mighty impressive. 
EMMA- She needs to have a spreadsheet. 
KEILIGH- Yes, she does need a spreadsheet. 
EMMA- Definitely needs a spreadsheet. 
NIKKI- She needs to keep her receipts. 
EMMA- Yeah. Can I just say that last night on my Facebook I was having a little scroll, and a friend of mine who’s visually impaired wrote a post about the fact that she’s discovered over the last few months that she’s got significant hearing loss, and she got hearing aids and she left them in the drawer for ages and then she took them out and put them on and now the world is brighter in terms of what she can hear. And she can hear so much better and she feels much more relaxed because she can hear so much better. And I feel like because this story about Tasha is in the news that maybe people are feeling like they can come and say these things to their community and to their Facebook friends and stuff. 
NIKKI- Yeah. 
EMMA- It was such a nice thing to read. And it felt like it tied in very much. It felt like maybe that friend had just come off watching Love Island and said, do you know what, I’m just going to tell everybody all about my hearing aids and they’re front and centre. 
KEILIGH- That’s lovely. 
NIKKI- Oh, that’s really nice. 
KEILIGH- I think I should say as well, if you were to watch the show back on demand the subtitles are there. 
NIKKI- Right. 
KEILIGH- They just aren’t there when the show’s going out live. And because so many people took to Twitter to complain about it ITV have said they’re going to do something about it. And a spokesman said, ‘We’re sorry for the disappointment. We’re working on subtitle offering, including on the live streams, so watch this space’. 
NIKKI- Oh. Well, we will. 
KEILIGH- Yes, we’re going to be watching closely. 
EMMA- Which space though? What bit of the screen do they actually come up on? Which bit should I point my eyes at? 
KEILIGH- Top left. 
EMMA- Top left, okay, top left. 
NIKKI- Are you a massive fan then, Keiligh? Are you going to be glued?
KEILIGH- Well I don’t know. I was saying to the team earlier I have watched it every year, and then this year I was like have I aged out finally. 
NIKKI- Yeah.
KEILIGH- When you can legitimately be the parent of the youngest contestant on there I feel like that maybe is a sign. I would have been a child bride for sure, but I think I may be too old for this year. But then with a deaf contestant maybe I’ll commit to it again. 
NIKKI- Oh, you’re never too old, Keiligh. You’re so young and beautiful and don’t say these things. I am way too old for Love Island. 
KEILIGH- No. 
NIKKI- I’m way too old. Well, I don’t get it. I never… I did get one series I was slightly addicted to because I was with a PA who loved it, and so we used to get all excited about watching it at 9 o’clock. And then I couldn’t really remember what it was we got excited about to be honest. 
KEILIGH- Yeah. It’s a commitment as well. It’s your whole summer. It’s 9 o’clock every night for the whole summer. 
NIKKI- Yeah. 
EMMA- Kate Bush is more your style, right? 
NIKKI- Stop it. Stranger Things, Kate Bush on track for number one, Running Up That Hill, oh my goodness Emma. [Sings] 
EMMA- Running Up That hill. Let’s not sing it. Here’s a clip. [Song clip] Oh that intro, though. 
NIKKI- It is amazing. It’s amazing. And I am just so excited that people are discovering what a brilliant song that is. That is just, I mean, ‘If I only could I’d make a deal with god and I’d get her to swap our places’, I mean what a lyric. How beautiful. Because Kate Bush she’s so empathetic. I could go on. I should probably stop, shouldn’t I? Because I went to a party last night and I shouted at Rick Stein, ‘I love you Rick Stein!’ I have a feeling this is going to end up in the same way. But I love Kate Bush so much and I love that song. And I’m so happy that it’s in Stranger Things. But I was saying to you, Keiligh, I’ve only seen the first episode so I’ve seen how they use it in that, and I’m really excited because you’ve just told me that they use it in another episode. 
KEILIGH- Yes, in a very exciting episode. I would say small spoiler alert, but not so much it’s going to ruin it for you or anyone at home, but if you want to be careful about your spoilers perhaps don’t listen to the next 30 seconds or so. 
NIKKI- Okay.
KEILIGH- But yeah, there’s a very exciting scene where one of the characters in it, her favourite song at that time is this Kate Bush song. 
NIKKI- Running Up That Hill. 
KEILIGH- And something bad is happening to her. And the way that her friends bring her back and basically save her life is by ramming like an old-school Walkman…
NIKKI- Walkman!
KEILIGH- …on her head and blast out Running Up That Hill by Kate Bush. And it saves her life. 
NIKKI- I’m going to cry. I will cry. 
KEILIGH- Yeah. It’s a real tearjerker of a scene. And the really cool thing about it is that in this week’s Radio Times writer Emma Clarke said that the way Stranger Things deals with monsters this season is very similar to how people deal with mental health things like depression and the way that the monster affects people; it has a lot in common with mental health.
NIKKI- Oh okay. 
EMMA- I was actually wondering why we were talking about this. 
NIKKI- No, but I’ll tell you I have got a link, a disability link with Kate Bush. 
EMMA- Oh?
NIKKI- Kate Bush kept me walking for longer.
EMMA- Up hills?
NIKKI- Not actually Kate Bush. 
EMMA- How? 
NIKKI- Now I’ve sold it, haven’t I? I’ve oversold it. 
EMMA- Was she your physio? Is that what she’s been doing all these years instead of singing? 
NIKKI- Kate Bush was my physiotherapist. No. When I used to walk, albeit it terribly and wobbling all over the place and falling over, I used to love dancing. And I wanted to be a dancer. I literally used to go around telling everyone I was going to be a ballerina. Everyone looked at me and went, you are definitely not going to be a ballerina. But anyway I got stronger because of it. And I used to just lock myself in a room and play Kate Bush and just dance for absolutely hours. And that physical exercise [song clip] but literally, I don’t know what I was doing, but I remember the feeling of just joy. You do have to stay active with my disability. It will go eventually, things will deteriorate eventually, but the longer you keep moving the better. And because of that dancing that I did on the reg girls I think I stayed stronger. 
EMMA- On the what? 
NIKKI- On the regular, on the reg. I know. 
EMMA- Is this a Love Island thing? 
NIKKI- For one second I forgot that I was actually 42 for a second there. I’m sorry. 
KEILIGH- But you’re right what you said about it being in the charts and stuff, it’s introduced a whole new generation to Kate Bush. 
NIKKI- Yes. 
KEILIGH- Which is amazing. It’s because of the streaming of the song, because of Stranger Things. But a lot of Gen-Zs for instance had never heard of her. 
NIKKI- No. 
KEILIGH- And now…
NIKKI- It was Radio 1. I was literally driving into work and it was Radio 1 and I was like oh my goodness, this is brilliant. I wanted to make a podcast called Searching for Bush. I’ll tell you about that another time. If it ever gets made I’m taking you two with me. 
EMMA- Okay. Can I say, [sings] Heathfield, it’s me, it’s Cathy now, la, la, la.
KEILIGH- That’s uncanny. I know you’re taking the mick but I think you sound fantastic. 
NIKKI- Emma!
EMMA- I don’t know much Kate Bush but every time that song comes on it’s turned up and I sing it. 
NIKKI- Do you like it though, Em? Because I got the feeling when you were singing it there were like mocking, irritating.
KEILIGH- Mocking yeah. 
NIKKI- Slightly rude. 
EMMA- No, no, it’s not irritating. 
KEILIGH- Disrespectful. 
NIKKI- Are you dissing my Bush? 
KEILIGH- She’s dissing the Bush!
EMMA- No. It’s the kind of sheer openness at which she sings that. The full energy and passion I love that. And I like putting on the voice as well. So, I don’t think that’s disrespectful, it’s I just love the sound of that chorus. 
NIKKI- Because I love you, Emma. Don’t make me not love you. 
EMMA- I know, I’m sorry, I know. 
KEILIGH- But she wrote that when she was like 18, didn’t she?
NIKKI- Yeah. She wrote, do you remember The Man With The Child In His Eyes?
KEILIGH- No. 
EMMA- No. 
NIKKI- [Singing] I hear, I focus on the day… Well, Kate Bush wrote that one around 13, 14.
EMMA- Wow. 
NIKKI- Yeah. It’s the most mature song, The Man With The Child In His Eyes. It’s a love song. Yeah, it’s beautiful. And you think, how can you just pop that out at that age. But she’s a super talent. 
EMMA- Keiligh, it’s been lovely having you. 
KEILIGH- Yes.
NIKKI- You got so Irish then. 
EMMA- Keiligh, let’s have a cèilidh. That’s actually what my grandparents would call going to visit somebody in their house, is going a cèilidh, I’m going a cèilidh to Aunty Bridie’s house or whatever. 
KEILIGH- Because it’s a Gaelic thing, right? 
EMMA- Yes. 
KEILIGH- So, that’s what I’m named. 
EMMA- Because it’s a party. 
NIKKI- Oh is it? 
KEILIGH- Basically I’m Party Baker. 
EMMA- Party Baker. 
KEILIGH- That’s my name. 
NIKKI- Party Baker!
EMMA- Baking up a big…
KEILIGH- Party. 
EMMA- …party. 
NIKKI- Emma, have you seen that advert for Conversations with Friends on the TV? Have you heard it? 
EMMA- No. Why?
NIKKI- Because the lady goes like this, [bad Irish accent] I’m in love with you and you obviously don’t feel the same. 
EMMA- Oh, I love a proper accent that’s not pretending to be anything it’s not. 
NIKKI- That was my impression though. Was it good? 
[Church bells]
NIKKI- That was withering. 
KEILIGH- She was withering when I did my Diary Girls impression as well if that’s any consolation. I think it’s any Irish impersonation. 
NIKKI- Now that we’ve got the Irish accent we’re going to wrap now. 
KEILIGH- Well, thank you for having me, ladies. 
EMMA- Thanks for coming. 
NIKKI- Entertainment showbiz reporter…
EMMA- Keiligh Baker!
NIKKI- …Keiligh Baker. 
KEILIGH- Party Baker. 
MUSIC- Access All with Nikki Fox. 
NIKKI- We’ve come to the end of the show, Emma. 
EMMA- Already?
NIKKI- I know. 
EMMA- It was a quick one.
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EMMA- We do. We want everybody to listen because I think they’ll enjoy it. 
NIKKI- Yeah. And please get in touch. We’re loving, loving, loving hearing from you so much. What do you want us to talk about, look into, anything, funny stories, jokes, whatever, send it: accessall@bbc.co.uk is the email address. We’ve also got a little funky WhatsApp number which is 0330 123 9480. And you can send us a voice note.  I love a voice note, the team will tell you. 
EMMA- I always wonder where people listen. Do they listen in the shower? Do they listen in the forest? Do they listen…?
NIKKI- In the forest? 
EMMA- Yeah. Like on a walk or something. 
NIKKI- Thanks so much for listening and we will see you next week. 
EMMA- Goodbye. 
NIKKI- [Singing] Rock your difference!