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It's 20 years since the murder of 10-year-old schoolgirls Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman horrified the nation.

Times crime writer Sean O'Neill, who as a young reporter covered the story, talks to the detective who brought the killer to justice and reflects on the profound impact the case had on all those involved in it – including himself.

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