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Jermain speaks to former England international and ex teammate Sol Campbell about his journey from calling time on his playing career to becoming a football manager in the lower leagues. Sol talks about know he wanted to go into management in the latter stages of his career as he was an on-field coach for Arsenal and his centre-back partner of Kolo Toure. He also revealed the managers that he took the most from, Ossie Ardielles at Tottenham in how to deal with players, Gerry Francis also at Spurs with the focus on fitness, strength and conditioning and Arsene Wenger at Arsenal and the sports science and practices he introduced from Japan. Sol also talks about his two forays into management as the boss of Macclesfield, who he helped keep in the Football League and Southend during the pandemic. The pair also discuss the lack of opportunities for black managers in the game and Sol reveals that from thirty jobs he's applied for he's only had four interviews. Sol talks about his interview with England Under 21s and says that there needs to be more visibility and time on the grass for black coaches to gain experience and get more jobs at clubs.