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Comedian Helen Lederer chats to Gordon Smart.

Comedian Helen Lederer on evolving attitudes toward neurodiversity, how alternative comedy has developed since the 1980s, and how her definition of happiness changes with age.

Helen and Gordon also get into social media and entertainers' relationships with reviews, working with great comedians like Harry Enfield, and why her candid new memoir Not That I鈥檓 Bitter proves 鈥測ou can be funny about sad things鈥.

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