Strictly winner Chris McCausland: βIt was a hell of a rideβ
Blind Strictly star Chris McCausland on dancing, conquering self-doubt and his new Christmas film.
Days after clinching the Strictly Come Dancing trophy, Chris McCausland chats with Access Allβs Emma Tracey, who is also blind.
Chris talks about conquering self-doubt, the trust that went into his partnership with Strictly pro, Dianne Buswell and how his success on the show has caused positive waves far beyond the blind community.
He also gives the inside track on his brand new Christmas film, Bad Tidings, with Lee Mack and the huge comedy tour he is about to embark on with 250 datesβ¦
Presenter: Emma Tracey
Producers: Daniel Gordon, Alex Collins
Editor: Beth Rose
Sound recording and mixing: Dave OβNeill
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17th December 2024
bbc.co.uk/accessall
Access All β episode 138
Presented by Emma Tracey
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CLAUDIA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Chris and Dianne! [Cheers and applause]
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Opportunity, support and just determination, just anything can happen.
MUSIC-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Theme music.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Hello, this is Access All and Iβm Emma Tracey. So, this happened:
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TESS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ We can reveal that the winners of Strictly Come Dancing 2024 are [applause] Chris and Dianne!
DESCRIPTOR-ΜύΜύΜύ Fireworks erupt on the stage and confetti rains down as the couple hug each other and hold one another tight. Friends and family in the audience look ecstatic. The judges are giving them a standing ovation.
TESS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Congratulations, congratulations!
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CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ What it didnβt say there was Chris and Dianne sob into each otherβs shoulders.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ There was a lot of sobbing.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Oh, as soon as they announced our names Dianne just kind of crumpled into tears on me, and then that set me off. And thankfully all of the other guys came in for a big group hug, otherwise we mightβve been just stood there for half an hour [laughter].
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ The last thing you said just after winning Strictly with Dianne Buswell was, βIt just goes to show that with opportunity, support and determination anything can happenβ and I just think that is such a good line, and weβre going to come back to that in a minute. And stuff is happening for Chris McCausland: he stars with Lee Mack in a film Bad Tidings, which is on Sky over Christmas, and he has a massive tour of his show Yonks! in the New Year, 250 dates I think there are so far.
ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Hi Chris, how are you?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ How you doing, Em?
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ And is it all right if we start with Strictly? I know youβve got loads to talk about, but.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Itβd be silly not to, wouldnβt it?
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ It would [laughs].
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Itβs consumed my life for the last three and a half months [laughter].
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Whatβs life been like since winning the glitterball? Whatβs been happening for you since?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ I mean, first of all it was emotional, the whole last week was emotional for me. I was physically and mentally exhausted, and it didnβt take much to set me off to be honest. I had a cry on the semi-final when we did the Viennese waltz to Metallica and I couldnβt turn the tap back off. And then on Saturday it was really quite emotional. I woke up on Sunday in the hotel in Elstree and I remember a lady who I didnβt know in the hotel came up to me and she said that she was so proud of me, and I burst out crying [laughs].
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Oh Chris.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ So, can we talk about that a little bit, just like one blind person to another? So, you went on Graham Norton, which I thought was very funny, really recently. I was so excited, I was just sitting there on my Friday night and there you popped up.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Just hanging out with Nicole Kidman, as you do [laughs].
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Hanging out with Nicole Kidman, which was fantastic. You made a joke, you said that your Brazilian wife was a cauldron of emotion but yours were buried under a car park somewhere.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ And I just wondered if the Strictly people just went straight out and found the car park and dug them up and stuck them in your coffee, because literally you havenβt stopped crying since I would say.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Itβs a hell of a ride and it takes it out of you, you know, in a lot of ways. Even on that day with the finals we did an 11-hour solid day before we even went live. So, youβre going into these shows really quite depleted in a lot of ways, youβre running on adrenaline. I never expected it to be emotional. Iβd never seen the show, never bothered with it. The first time I heard the theme tune was in the studio.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Thatβs amazing.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Well, do you know what, because Iβd never danced and people said to me, go and get some dance lessons and I was like, no because Iβve never danced. Thatβs what my story is going into this: Iβve never danced, Iβve never watched the show for obvious reasons andβ¦
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Obvious reasons? I sort of watch it sometimes now because itβs got audio description and stuff like that.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah, but I didnβt know it had audio description at the time.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Okay, so you didnβt.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ No.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ And itβs also not your bag, wasnβt your bag.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ No. I thought, well Iβm not going to go back and watch how the shows work because I think itβs better and probably funnier for me to go into it and figure it out as weβre going along. The first few episodes I was saying to Dianne, sheβll tell you, I was saying as we were going along, βWhatβs happening now, Di?β [Laughter]. And really just figuring out who was who and what was happening as we went along. I didnβt expect it to be emotional. I didnβt expect dancing to be able to move people and connect with people in that way. It really did touch people. The overwhelming support that we got throughout this series in terms of the messages we got and how people said that it made them cry and it made them really believe in themselves, it was just so much more than I ever thought was there.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ And was that just everybody or was it disabled people, blind people, people who had struggles or it was just everyone messaging you just saying the same thing?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ It was a far wider demographic than I thought it would have been. It was people who had had eating disorders, or people who have got a child thatβs maybe got an obstacle to overcome, and theyβve found that itβs changed their outlook on their childβs future. And then just people who, as far as they know, have got nothing wrong with them β weβve all got something wrong with us in some way.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah [laughs].
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ But everybody has got self-doubt; everybody has got restrictions we place on our potential because we donβt believe; everyone feels like an imposter at times.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ And we just got so many messages that people said that what we were doing was just changing their outlook on themselves and on other people. It felt so wonderful. I never expected it to reach people like this. I expected to go on there and at the very best get to show 5 and show that blind people can do more than what we might think, and show 5 would have been a success. But itβs just phenomenal how itβs gone on from there really.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ I mean, you were dancing and it was connecting with people, which means that you had to be doing things that looked beautiful and felt nice to you. And I think sometimes as blind people our bodies become something thatβs moved around and guided, and weβre hunched up and tensed for impact.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ You know, like you never know when thereβs going to be a step or a tree or someoneβs going to come up and touch you.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Uh-huh.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ I feel like part of the emotions for me watching you was I feel like maybe you realised that you could be artistic with your body and move in ways you didnβt know you could move. I think thatβs kind of specific-ish to not being able to see because youβre not seeing other peopleβs bodies moving, you for a long time.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Am I talking rubbish or?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ No. And, like, I wasnβt watching anybody else dance, so every time we got to a new dance we had to start on Monday from zero and I had to find the way that it felt right for the music, you know.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ And every Monday Dianne started from zero in telling me what the dance was, explaining it to me, and me finding how I moved to that rhythm really. The first thing I said to Dianne when we got paired together is, βI donβt want to dumb this down, if Iβm here we need to be doing the same as everybody else, if not more really, because you need to overachieve sometimes to achieve the same goalsβ. And she didnβt. She made everything challenging, she made everything visually impressive. The lifts, people say oh, Iβm brave for putting myself into it, and it was the most scary thing Iβve ever done. But she was literally letting me twirl her around above my head and fling her around.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ So, she trusted you?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Oh, 100% we had to trust each other.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Thatβs something, I always explain this to people, thatβs something blind people have to do so much.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Uh-huh. And I had to trust Dianne to make this something that would have an impact, you know; to not be scared or to worry about what was possible and dumb it down. We could have done things that people might have just found, ah bless.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Well, itβs lucky you didnβt have Anton du Beck as your partner then, isnβt it? Because on the last show he was, like, βI would have just put you in hold and kept you there. I would have just held on to you because I was afraidβ.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Because people are so scared weβre going to fall, oh my god, or that weβre going to walk into something. I mean, what is the actual worst that can happen? But people are really, really anxious, really anxious.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah. Well on live TV the worst that could happen was quite bad, to be honest.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ [Laughs]
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ I was terrified, one wrong angle spinning around the floor and you could hit a lighting rig or a camera, so I wasβ¦ And this is the thing as well, youβre moving at such a pace, and itβs really fast, and youβre changing angles at such a pace. As the male my job is to lead in a lot of the dances, and we really had to get these angles right because Dianne wasnβt always able to, for example β because Iβve got a lot more body mass than her and when youβre moving the momentum is quite a lot β she canβt just suddenly turn me into a different direction.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah. So, did she have little taps that she did? Like, how? If you spin me around a couple of times in the office it takes me a minute to figure out where I am.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ No, there was no tap like that.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ How did you know? How did you do it?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ For example, when we did a spin and I had her in the air and Iβd spinning on the floor and Iβd put her down, Iβd put her down on a certain count. So, for example the song was a one to eight count, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eightβ¦one, two, three, and Iβd go, βOkay, so Iβm going to get you down on the two, yeah?β And then we would set off on the next move on the six, so that would give, like, a three, four, five. And we just carried on rotating on the floor as I put her down, and when she stopped I would stop.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Oh, so itβs all about timing.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Itβs all about timing.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Massively, massively down to you being really musical and knowing the songs inside out?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Absolutely, and just reading her body language.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah, which is hard when you canβt see someone, [laughs] it genuinely is. You have to feel where she is and what sheβs doing.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ But the amazing thing is that nobody would know that I was reading her body. To everyone watching it Iβve been told that it looks like magic because Iβm doing these visual things. But we put the hours in and we really, really worked on the angles and the pace and the size of the strides. And we did it to the standard. There was no week β this is what Iβm really proud of β there was no week on Strictly that we stayed in above somebody that scored higher than us. Every single week the person that went out was lower on the scoreboard than we were.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Right, Chris, weβve got a message from Zara:
ZARA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Hi, Iβm Zara, Iβm an 11 year-old visually impaired gymnast, and I do a lot of dancing on beam and floors. And what are your tips for balancing and confidence and stuff like that?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Ooh, I mean, my tips for balancing and confidence. I mean, what I realised doing Strictly is how important your core muscle system is in terms of, when you want to do exercise we find all of the core stuff boring, donβt we, working on the muscles that no one can see we see it as a little bit of a waste of time. But when you are balancing to have that strength that runs through your abdomen is necessary really. Thatβs what I felt really improved with me a lot throughout the series is that ability to control my balance just through my core. But in terms of confidence just be prepared to not take yourself too seriously in terms of if you make a mistake. I made mistakes; all of the dancers made mistakes; all of the contestants made mistakes. But if you make a mistake, the most dangerous thing about a mistake is it leads to further mistakes because your confidence goes and you panic and you worry. But youβve just got to smile and youβve just got to go, well it happens, it happens to everybody, itβs not because I canβt see, everybody makes mistakes. And just reset your mind and just go again. Not every mistake we make is because of our eyesight, because all of the other guys could see and they were making mistakes all over the place.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Exactly. Weβve got a message from Anna:
ANNA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Hi, Chris, this is Anna. I also have retinitis pigmentosa, but I have a little bit of central vision. And Iβve noticed that doing dancing has actually helped to change the way I literally carry myself in the world and the way I stand. And Iβm very curious to hear your thoughts about how this experience has affected the way you move through the world?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ The way I move through the world at the minute is with aches and pains because I havenβt fully recovered [laughs] from Strictly.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Well, you know what she means though?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah, I do, yeah, yeah. Itβs changed the way I think about posture, because I never thought about posture. Posture was just something that was an unconscious part of the way I carried myself, and it was something that was just subconsciously learned over many years of leaning forward to see computers when I was losing my eyesight and see the TV and walking down streets worried that you were going to get a branch in the head and things like that. So, itβs just something that was there and wasnβt very good but I never thought of. And now Iβm aware of it and Iβm aware of how carrying yourself differently, if it can make that difference to a dance, if it can make that amount of difference to a form of entertainment and make you feel better about the dance that youβre doing, it can make you feel better about yourself as well and it can make you feel more confident.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Chris, weβve got a message from Dave:
DAVE-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Chris, really, really chuffed for you my man. Fantastic. Many congratulations. You and I went to school together and we had many of the same teachers and you talked a lot on Strictly about what an incredible teacher Dianne was. What do you think are the ingredients that make a great teacher, particularly for somebody who is blind?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Wow, David Williams [laughter] from RNIB Ted Talk.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Ha, do you listen?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ And previously St Vincentβs.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Is that where you went to school together?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ He was in the same class as me. Heβs a lovely guy.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ He is.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ What makes a good teacher? Well, someone whoβs a good communicator, you know, because words and description are more important to us than people who can see visuals really. I couldnβt learn visually so basically Dianneβs ability to describe the dances to me was very important. But I think the main thing is that she had high expectations of me, that she believed that more was possible out of me than not only what other people would have thought but than what I thought, you know. And thatβs why we were able to wow people, and thatβs why I think what did was able to connect with people and really move people because she was able to get that out of me, and I didnβt even know it was in there myself.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ But you must have had a pep talk because she said she was a bit afraid of you walking down the stairs even at the beginning.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ She was, yeah.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ So, how did that change? What was the turning point then?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Well, I suppose just maybe that first dance that we did, and she saw how I took to learning what she was teaching me. Between the two of us we were able to challenge peopleβs preconceptions and surprise people and show them that more was possible, and represent in a really positive way. I believe they were even talking about that in parliament on Wednesday and about how what weβd been able to do on Strictly in that regard should be used as a platform to really improve opportunities for disabled people and people who are blind and partially sighted, and create more opportunities for employment.
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SPEAKER-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Liberal Democrat spokesperson, Steve Darling.
STEVE-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Thank you Mr Speaker. And I hope the Secretary of State will join me in congratulating Chris McCausland and Dianne Buswell [cries of hear, hear!] in their victory in Strictly this weekend. And in light of this how do you plan to make the Access to Work scheme more fit for purpose to help more people with disabilities fulfil their full potential? [Hear hear!]
YVETTE-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ I do absolutely join with the honourable gentleman in his comments. It was a great joy indeed to see that at the weekend. We do want to see Access to Work working better. We want to get those backlogs down; we want that support to be available to more people.
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CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ To know that what weβve done has filtered through to people who can make a difference on a grander scale, you know. Sometimes theyβre all talk, arenβt they, so weβll see what happens, so itβs nice toβ¦
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Well, theyβre very keen to get more people into work, Chris, so.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah, and what they need to realise is that the funding that they need to put into resourcing Access to Work and Workplace Support gets paid back in tax, doesnβt it? It washes its own face. Come on guys, sort it out!
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ It is. There are figures to say that it actually really, really pays for itself to fund the support properly.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Oh, it probably saves a lot of money on mental health support and everything.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ And benefits.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Benefits, it makes so much sense. Itβs nice to know that what weβve done has at least inspired a conversation at that level.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Letβs go back to your last line on Strictly. Iβve seen it shortened to, βWith determination anything can happenβ Iβve seen that on social media since. But you didnβt say that, you didnβt say that, you said, βWith opportunity, support and determination anything can happenβ. What did you mean?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Just remove disability out of the equation. Opportunity is something that everybody needs. There are a lot of underrepresented groups in all forms of life, entertainment, TV, workplace. I would not be on the telly now if I hadnβt have been given an opportunity. You canβt prove yourself without opportunity; everybody needs it. I think disabled people are often not given enough opportunities because expectations are too low really from people who have not got exposure to those with disabilities. How many times have you walked out of a building and walked down steps and the taxi driverβs been like, βOoh how did you do the steps?β Because I live here and my legs work.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Well, this is the thing, steps and blind people, why do people think that we canβt do steps?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah. How do you cut a sandwich? How do you use a phone? I remember years and years ago somebody asked me how I knew where my mouth was when I was eating.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ [Laughs]
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Everybody needs opportunity. I was given this opportunity, and we also need support, we need adjustments sometimes. And these adjustments can be small, they can be big, they can be almost unnoticeable. I do Have I Got News for You, and I fit into that format as much as I feel I can possibly, because I donβt want that format to change. But I need some small adjustments made: instead of a spinning picture round we do an audio round. It adds to the programme.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ So, adjustments donβt always have to detract, support doesnβt always have to detract; it can add to the overall output.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ And things donβt always have to be done as theyβve always been done.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah. And as disabled people you canβt go through life expecting opportunity and support and everybody to do it for you. You have to work twice as hard as everybody else, and you have to be resilient and you have to be determined.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Itβs exhausting, isnβt it?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ It is yeah, but itβs what youβve got to do. When you start seeing the results of your determination itβs like going to the gym, when you see the weight coming off it inspires you more, doesnβt it. And so I think those three things they go hand in hand really. Youβve got to put the hours in and the effort in but...
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ But you need the other two as well.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ β¦you need the other two as well, yeah. And you shouldnβt be ashamed of needing the other two because everybody needs opportunity. You shouldnβt be ashamed to need support or adjustments.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Was it a journey for you to not be ashamed to ask for them?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ It was a journey for me to not be ashamed of being blind, yeah. Losing my sight in my 20s, Iβd gradually lost my sight, and just denial, shame, you donβt want to be labelled, you donβt want to use a white stick. I was very self-conscious. I feel proud to be me. I felt ashamed and embarrassed to be a blind person, and I wish I could go back and fix that. There are people who are born blind who grow up not knowing any different, and just different animals to us that lose sight.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ There can still be shame though, itβs internalised ableism, do you know?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah, especially when youβre losing your sight and youβre relying on sight that isnβt enough. It gets you into more trouble when you deny being blind than when you accept it. You hear this argument or this discussion a lot about is it better to be blind than have a little bit of sight, do you wish that little bit of sight away. I donβt think anybody does because itβs a difficult journey, but I certainly found it easier when I couldnβt see anything than when I could see a bit. And thatβs when I was really able to end up, just give me something to get used to, and then you can be comfortable in your own skin.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ I feel like thatβs part of why it was so emotional as well, was youβve gone past all of this stuff and then because you were blind and doing what you were doing, for me watching Strictly that was whatβ¦
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ I didnβt do Strictly to inspire blind people.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Oh, fair enough.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ I didnβt do Strictly to be a role model. As I said, I think thereβs a lot of blind and disabled people out there that are gagging for an opportunity and do not need inspiring to make the most of that opportunity when they get it. But I did it to educate and expose everybody else to the fact that more is possible.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah. Letβs talk about Bad Tidings, right.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Oh yeah.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ So, whatβs Bad Tidings about? Itβs your film at Christmas on Sky.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ It is, itβs a Christmas film. I mean, Bad Tidings but good timings.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ [Laughs]
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ This is the best timing Iβve ever had in my life about anything, you know. I finished Strictly on the Saturday and then the following Sunday Iβve got a film out. We made this earlier in the year, and itβs me and Lee Mack and we play neighbours that donβt get on. Everybody sees me as an angel on the street but I poke him with a stick. Everyone thinks heβs paranoid but really Iβm winding him up. And basically we end up blowing the power for the whole street on Christmas Eve and hilarity ensues:
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SCOTT-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Hello?
NEIL-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Itβs about the lights.
SCOTT-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ I will have them taken down first thing. You have my word. [Gasps] Neil told me to take my lights down!
NEIL-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ What?!
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CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Youβve seen it, havenβt you?
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Iβve seen it. Itβs all very caper-y, running about.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ A lot of action and a lot of stunts, and we pretty much did all the stunts ourselves as well.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ And did you have to fight for any of that or were you just like, Iβm doing it?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ No, thereβs a scene where Iβm on a roof and I fall off a roof, on the top of a house, and I slide right down the roof. And I said to them, I said to Sky, βYouβve got two choices here: you either harness me to the top of a house or you build me a roofβ. And they went, βUh, I think weβll build the roofβ. Because I wanted people to see my face when we were doing it. I didnβt want people to watch it and just kind of think it was a stunt double, because part of this for me is there arenβt enough disabled people on roles on TV, in dramas and in scripted comedy and so on, and it was about showing that more is possible from an actor that you might not think is possible.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ And you also had a hand in writing it. And I was very interested, I want to know what bits you put in? Because I never felt more seen than the bit where youβre on the phone to your daughter and sheβs reading out whatβs on the tins, because that happens to me, I do that all the time.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah. So, that scene is me on FaceTime with my daughter and Iβm holding up tins and sheβs telling me whatβs on them. And itβs about showing people that Iβm blind without just explaining it, and in just a way that weβve all done in the past, getting help from people over FaceTime. Subconsciously it sends out a lot of positivity in terms of that level of exposure really to people who donβt know somebody whoβs blind or disabled.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Sure. And itβs just fun as well.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah, itβs daft, itβs slapstick. I mean, thereβs a scene in it where we take down one of the burglars and me and Lee join forces at the side of the house and he says, βIs there anything we canβt do? High five!β and I smack him in the face.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ [Laughs]
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ But the only way that we could do that was for me to smack Lee in the face.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ To actually do it in real life, yeah.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah, we did it, like, six times. And the director was going, βLee, how many times youβve got in you?β βI reckon I can do two moreβ. [Laughter]
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ And that brings me on to your new standup show, massive, my god, 250 dates, is that it at the moment? Yonks!
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah, thatβs how long itβs going on for, yonks.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ [Laughs] What is it about? What can we expect from it?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ So, itβs a standup show thatβs just about everything and nothing.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Are you going to do some rewrites now that youβve won Strictly, and put some of Strictly in it?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Iβll stick a little bit in. Itβd be silly not to mention it, wouldnβt it? [Laughs]
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Are you going to dance?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ No, no.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Youβre not doing the dancing, the Strictly Live Show either. I was like, I can totally see why heβs not doing that.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ No, Iβm not. The thing is Iβm not doing it because I canβt.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ But would you do it if you could?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Would you?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ I would have done, yeah.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Oh god, stressful though!
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ No, but itβs been fun and Iβd love to spend more time doing it with Dianne in a less stressful environment really. I think thatβs a much less stressful environment than doing it on live TV. But my tour dates were moved to January and February to accommodate doing Strictly and without the tour being on the radar.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Because you didnβt think you were going to beβ¦?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ No, nobody really made it out to be a thing that needed considering. But I think my success in Strictly has surprised everybody, you know.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ It certainly surprised me.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ So, are you going to keep dancing then, Chris?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Well, Iβm going to go out on tour, and never say never because, you know. People say, oh you can dance now. I canβt dance now. I can dance with Dianne now. Weβve learnt how to dance together, and if Dianne wants to take me for a spin at some point later in the year I would love that. Because the ballroom dancing it feels beautiful to do and it feels way more than I ever thought it would do. I thought it would just be learning steps and doing it, but you do feel olde world doing it and itβs lovely. So, yeah Iβd love to have a go again.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ And the papers are saying youβre going to be making millions by this time next year and you can do whatever job you want.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Oh, the papers say a lot, donβt they?
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ And youβre going to be fronting the biggest ΄σΟσ΄«Γ½ shows etc etc.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ [Laughs]
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ What do you want to do next?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ I mean, if the ΄σΟσ΄«Γ½ want to give me a show Iβll happily consider the option [laughs]. I did a chat show earlier this year, I did that at breakfast time, and I loved doing it, I loved having guests on and being able to interview, like, Paul Whitehouse and Ben Elton.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Oh, we had Paul Whitehouse.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Lovely man.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ He was the first person I interviewed.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ So, you would take on something like that?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ I would love to do something like that again, at a better time than half past 8 in the morning [laughter].
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah. And acting, would you like to do more acting?
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Yeah, definitely. Hopefully the filmβs a little bit of a calling card, but hopefully if people like it you never know, me and Lee might be back for another one. Although after three weeks of doing night shoots in Romford I think weβve decided weβll do a road trip to Miami for the sequel.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ [Laughs] Well, Chris, weβll be watching Bad Tidings and weβll be looking forward to your tour, Yonks! And thank you so much for coming in and indulging me by answering all of my blindy specific questions about Strictly. Itβs been a joy.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Lovely. Cheers, Em.
EMMA-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ If you want to get in touch with me and Access All with thoughts on this interview or anything else you can email accessall@bbc.co.uk. You can send us a voice message, like all of those people did for Chris McCausland, you can send it to 0330 123 9480. Our email address is accessall@bbc.co.uk, and we are on X and Instagram @΄σΟσ΄«Γ½AccessAll. See you next time. Bye.
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CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ You know when youβre worried about something, but then you talk to your friend who knows more about the subject than you do, and straightaway you start to feel better? Thatβs what we try and do every day on Newscast.
MALE-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Now, theyβre saying that that would be simple to do, it would give everyone certainty.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ We talk to people who are in the news:
FEMALE-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ You were chasing me round with a plate of cheese.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ We talk to people who know whatβs going on in the news:
MALE-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ At least I didnβt get up and slap anybody.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ We talk to people who understand what the news means:
MALE-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ I think that heβs decided heβs going to listen, and then he might just intervene.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ And we talk to the best ΄σΟσ΄«Γ½ journalists, asking the most important questions:
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Whatβs wrong with chinos? You donβt want them, people to start wearing chinos?
FEMALE-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Donβt start me, Chris.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Thatβs Newscast from ΄σΟσ΄«Γ½ News, the podcast that knows a lot of people who know a lot about the news.
FEMALE-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ And I was like, go on Kate, put some more welly into it!
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Listen to Newscast every weekday on ΄σΟσ΄«Γ½ Sounds.
CHRIS-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Iβm glad I asked that.
FEMALE-ΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύΜύ Iβm very glad that you asked that!
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