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A special episode of The Lazarus Heist, recorded in front of an audience in New York. The podcaster and musician Dessa is joined on stage by presenters Jean Lee and Geoff White and guests. Jean Lee shares eye-opening stories from her time running a news bureau in the North Korean capital Pyongyang and Geoff White reveals what investigators say makes North Korean hackers鈥� code so distinctive and recognisable to cyber investigators. Seohyun Lee describes the moment she began to doubt the North Korean ideology she鈥檇 been taught since birth and about her difficult and dangerous decision to defect. Cybersecurity expert, Michael 鈥楤arni鈥� Barnhart, explains how he tracks hackers in real time, even reading their messages to each other to figure out who they might target next. Plus the panel answers questions from listeners from around the world and from the audience in New York. The Lazarus Heist is the hit podcast and radio series which tells the story of a group of North Korean hackers who were accused of trying to steal a billion dollars. North Korea denies this, saying it 鈥渉as nothing to do at all鈥� with cyber threats or money laundering and says the accusations are American attempts to tarnish its image.