There's still lots of heat in the columns and blogs after last week's poll by the Pew Research Center on President Obama's religion.
In case you missed it, 18% of Americans surveyed said they think President Obama is a Muslim.
While many are still arguing that he is, or he isn't, or he appears to be, some are also questioning the point of the debate in the first place; this from an LA Times editorial ...
... in protesting too much that he is a Christian -- and one, moreover, who prays daily -- the White House may be encouraging the impression that there is a religious test for the presidency and that a Muslim would fail it.
The same piece points to part of the US Constitution to argue that any American of any religion should be able to hold any office.
If the President didn't say he was a Christian, but instead said he followed some other religion - including Islam - would that be a problem?
Clearly, the thrust of many of the articles that claim he is indeed a Muslim is that that is inherently a bad thing for the United States.
Others are not so much concerned about his beliefs as about whether he is being straight about his beliefs (and their evolution).
This blogger isn't a fan of Obama, but says the religion debate isn't helpful in solving the country's wider problems:
while we are arguing over is-he-or-isn't-he, we are losing jobs, going deeper in debt, destroying our health care system, and running our economy into the ground. There are plenty of excellent reasons to oppose this President and his policies, his religious affiliation, or lack thereof, is not one of them.
Finally, what about the way in which the other politicians are getting involved in this discussion?
Much has been made of leading Republican Senator Mitch McConnell's answer to the question of whether the President is a Muslim: "I take him at his word," said McConnell on MSNBC's Meet The Press on Sunday, which some interpreted as rather evasive.
Hillary Clinton once rebutted the same question about Obama with a similar caveat, "as far as I know".
Are politicians of all sides guilty of letting this linger for their own political ends? Or are journalists, bloggers and conspiracy theorists reading far too much into comments like these for their own ends?!
Tell us what you think - does President Obama's faith matter? Or are there more important discussions to be had in the United States?
Karel in Ohio
President Obama cancelled day of prayer which was established years ago by President Regan or before him. After that he (president Obama) goes to Muslim Temple to pray. United States have being attacked by Muslim believers from 1976 (Iran, US Embassy). In general US population is not against religion, this is just political football to oppose something which is not in question. Catholic Church advised sisters to not build convent close to one of concentration camps which are now Holocaust museums. Muslims are blocking streets in Manhattan to pray. Which other religion can do that?
Hello wake up, equality is good but has to be applied evenly to all races and religions including nonbelievers.
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Laura
I can’t think of anything that matters less to me. In fact, I would be happier if he was an atheist. This discussion is really all about bigotry. Being one religion or another does not, and never did, say anything about your abilities or who you are as a person. I certainly would not want my president to make policy decisions based on something as judgemental and as non-evidence-based as faith.
By the way, it is completely historically inaccurate to say our founders wanted a Judeo-Christian country. Most of them were Freemasons, and separation of church and state is absolutely essential to prevent the kind of tyranny some of the people on your show are talking about when they insist on America being a "christian" nation. I am not a Christian, and I am an American, regardless of what those bigots think!
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Alan
What you are hearing from those who believe that Obama is a Muslim is nothing less than the triumph of our dumbed-down educational system that prevents people from engaging in critical thinking. They are nothing less than the American Taliban who want to see a theocracy established in America.
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Michelle
First I don't believe religion is important in a leader. Second the Christian bible is used by many politicians to rule so saying the Koran would hinder a president is more racist than logical.
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Juanita
It doesn't matter what faith or denomination a President of the US is. The office tends to make the man. President Obama by virtue of his office must make the people of the United States his priority. While deep faith helps a President to cope with the office and prods him to be persuasive in matters of state, there are other individuals who represent the US people, and a judicial system that smooth the rough edges off any potentially radical idea of his.
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Ellias in Nigeria
I wonder why everyone is questioning the faith of President Barack Obama. Even if President Obama is a Muslim, does it anyway diminish the international reputation of the United States? Does it means that the man will not be able to stand up against the excesses of radical Muslims? Has that impeached his ability to help bring about peace between the Israelis and their Arab Neighbours? Let us just take it that the emergence of President Obama is an ideal Americans should celebrate as it portrays that grat country as the number place on earth where equality of all is guaranteed.
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G. A. Smith, Springfield, Missouri USA
I grew up in a "mainstream" Christian church in the USA. and
we're NOT CHRISTIAN ENOUGH to satisfy these right-wing fanatics.,
This is not about Barack Obama, per se, but about the fact that
the people represented by Reed Mullins and the man from Kentucky
want to rule over the rest of us in the USA and impose their beliefs on
the rest of us, using our own laws against even people who are not
Christian in the "right" way, i.e., evangelical, radical right wing.
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Chris
I wonder,would these people be so open with their religious bigotry if Obama spoke about a synagogues location??
I am very curious,these americans are vocal in their condemnation of islam and muslims,but I never heard of a Jewish american leader or politician!!
Is that because they (Jewish americans) dont try to be politicians or social leaders outside their subculture or is it because these one eyed christians turn a blind eye?
The current anti-muslim attitude across the world is reminisent of the attitude against judahism in the dark ages!!
I find this American obsession distasteful! there have been abortion clinics bombed,and staff in those clinics targeted,yet who would assume that any person against abortion is as radical as those who bomb clinics?
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Steve in Carolina
Once again I'm wincing at the sound of Southern accents expressing Christian fundamentalist viewpoints and Tea Party nonsense, all the while claiming to speak for the majority of Americans. These are the people who are preventing us from tackling the real problems this country faces with their endless distractions and manufactured outrages. They seem to think that they alone know what's right for America and that they are the only ones who correctly understand our founding principles.
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Henry
Your caller misspoke.
Most of the Founding Fathers were Deists, They only accepted the existence of a God by observing nature, and NOT supernaturally, through the words of ANY prophets. They were VERY aware of the looming danger in mixing politics with organized religion.
This whole issue is yet another campaign wedge tactic, keeping US politics, as always, a zero sum game of winer-take-all.
Thank you.
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Esther Stonecypher
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A person's faith or lack there of affects every part of their life. Whether consciously or subconsciously our belief about God and the universe makes a difference. There is no way to completely separate a person's faith from the choices they make because their view of God, whether they accept him or not, dictates their view of man and the universe in which we live.
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Andy
I live in Virginia.
I am concerned that Christian fundamentalists in my state and the South in general are seeking to impose an equivalent of Christian redneck Sharia Law in the US.
The president should keep his spiritual views to himself. It has no part to play in a modern government.
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James
WHYS: Ignorance runs rampant in America. This nation was specifically and intentionally founded as a secular nation...it is a nation of dollars not religion. Admittedly, the U.S. is a nation of mostly Christians, but it is not a "Christian" nation. Second, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all are spawn of the Mosaic Code. That is, all of them come from the supposed teachings of Moses. Third, the United States Constitution unambiguously states that "there shall be no religious test for any public office." If anything, I would prefer our president to be an atheist.
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Valerie
A quick comment about extreme muslims...our country also has many extreme christians-is that ok b/c they are christian?
Many presidents were not right leaning christians but no one asserts that THEY are muslim
Unfortunately it all boils down to president obamas skin color and our country's inability to handle it (I am white)
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Pat in North Carolina
I live in a part of the country (NC) where a large percentage of "Christians" mostly Southern Baptists, declre that Catholics are NOT Christians, liberals may go to a Christian church but are definitely not the right KIND of Christian, and that's before you even get to Buddhists, Hindus, or Universalists, let alone the new all-purpose cultural scapegoat, ie, Muslims.
As far as I'm concerned, it's all red herring and underneath it, a cynical grab for political power.
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Richard in Texas
I'm sure that 20% of Americans are so consumed with hatred for the President that they probably believe he is a vampire, too. (Same for Bill and Hillary Clinton--Democrats aren't allowed to run the country.)
Your Oklahoman guest's suggestion to the Kentucky caller that Obama's attendance of a Christian church did not matter because it was not a "real" Christian church proves their bigotry and immunity to evidence.
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Marcus in Malta
Of course his religion matters. he aids and abets murder through abortion. He voted,IF I REMEMBER RIGHTLY, against the vetoeing of partial-birth abortion during the clinton era.He voted for murder. What morality do you expect for a man of such a mindset?
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Jayme in Florida
When the Christian pastor, Jeremiah Wright made some controversial statements, Mr. Obama's opponents saw him as a follower of Rev. Wright. Now it seems convenient for his opponents to try and paint him as a Muslim. Attack his policy positions if you disagree with them. Don't conjure up false allegations about his faith.
"What do we live for, if it is not to make life easier for each other?" George Eliot
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Kenton
America is a country with freedom of religion, i feel that it is no ones concern what religion our president is. President Obama is doing a wonderful job and it totally doesn't matter to me if he's christian, muslim, or aethist. This is a country with a vast array of cultures and religions and we all should be accepting of each other.
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Jo
India, a younger democracy has a Hindu majority, followed by Muslim and Christians. The prime minister is a Sikh and so far his religon is a non-issue! Why can't we move on in America?
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Todd in Atlanta
Living in America, it constantly blows my mind how utterly hypocritical, petty, and ignorant that so-called conservatives and Christians continue to be.
What is it to you that someone needs to be of the same religious stripes as you? It speaks to a high degree of insecurity that so many grown individuals get so bent-out-of-shape when other people, not just the President, have a different faith than theirs.
Yet these same people (Christians) can't even see how closely they resemble the crazy radical Islamists terrorists.
If GOD and JESUS are out there somewhere, I'm sure they are thinking to themselves that their 'followers' need to really get a life!
So, If Obama were Muslim, Christian, Bhuddist, or a worshipper of multi-limbed purple people from Mars, I wouldn't give a rip... as long as he does a good job running a nation in crisis, and in my opinion, despite the difficulties, he's doing a solid job, thank you.
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I think it does matter if the President is a Muslim. One cannot divorce the religious from the political dimension of Islam. The loyalty of each and every Muslim is to fellow Muslims and not to their country residence if that is a Western country. Given that how could we trust a Muslim President. Eamonnin Kent.
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Alex
I just wanted to answer your question as an American: The religion of my president doesn't matter to me, at least until he starts to throw around his religion as justification for his actions.
I have no problem with a president being strong in their faith, and letting that be a basis for their method of governance. However, the trend with "Christian" politicians here is that they use their proclamation of faith to pander to their base. Then, when in their position, they use that "faith" to drown out alternative viewpoints.
They KNOW they're right because they claim to have a blessing from God. These politicians are no better than the Islamists in other
nations-- I see no difference.
I don't look to my president, or any politician, for that matter, to be the moral compass for the country. We should all strive to set our own morals, and live in harmony, regardless of the faith of our leaders.
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I think white Americans are bitter for having a black leader but shy to sound racist, hence find it easier to attack Obama as a muslim.
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Tim from Ann Arbor, MI....
Faith informs decision making, sadly Obama's decisions thus far have been to the detriment of the country. My faith in him has been lost, and I'm not sure even if he declares his faith unconditionally it will save us from his misguided decisions.
Does Obama's faith matter?
| Wednesday, 8 Aug. 2010 | 18:00 - 19:00 GMT
There's still lots of heat in the columns and blogs after last week's poll by the Pew Research Center on President Obama's religion.
In case you missed it, 18% of Americans surveyed said they think President Obama is a Muslim.
While many are still arguing that he is, or he isn't, or he appears to be, some are also questioning the point of the debate in the first place; this from an LA Times editorial ...
... in protesting too much that he is a Christian -- and one, moreover, who prays daily -- the White House may be encouraging the impression that there is a religious test for the presidency and that a Muslim would fail it.
The same piece points to part of the US Constitution to argue that any American of any religion should be able to hold any office.
If the President didn't say he was a Christian, but instead said he followed some other religion - including Islam - would that be a problem?
Clearly, the thrust of many of the articles that claim he is indeed a Muslim is that that is inherently a bad thing for the United States.
Others are not so much concerned about his beliefs as about whether he is being straight about his beliefs (and their evolution).
This blogger isn't a fan of Obama, but says the religion debate isn't helpful in solving the country's wider problems:
while we are arguing over is-he-or-isn't-he, we are losing jobs, going deeper in debt, destroying our health care system, and running our economy into the ground. There are plenty of excellent reasons to oppose this President and his policies, his religious affiliation, or lack thereof, is not one of them.
Finally, what about the way in which the other politicians are getting involved in this discussion?
Much has been made of leading Republican Senator Mitch McConnell's answer to the question of whether the President is a Muslim: "I take him at his word," said McConnell on MSNBC's Meet The Press on Sunday, which some interpreted as rather evasive.
Hillary Clinton once rebutted the same question about Obama with a similar caveat, "as far as I know".
Are politicians of all sides guilty of letting this linger for their own political ends? Or are journalists, bloggers and conspiracy theorists reading far too much into comments like these for their own ends?!
Tell us what you think - does President Obama's faith matter? Or are there more important discussions to be had in the United States?
Your comments
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Karel in Ohio President Obama cancelled day of prayer which was established years ago by President Regan or before him. After that he (president Obama) goes to Muslim Temple to pray. United States have being attacked by Muslim believers from 1976 (Iran, US Embassy). In general US population is not against religion, this is just political football to oppose something which is not in question. Catholic Church advised sisters to not build convent close to one of concentration camps which are now Holocaust museums. Muslims are blocking streets in Manhattan to pray. Which other religion can do that? Hello wake up, equality is good but has to be applied evenly to all races and religions including nonbelievers.
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Laura I can’t think of anything that matters less to me. In fact, I would be happier if he was an atheist. This discussion is really all about bigotry. Being one religion or another does not, and never did, say anything about your abilities or who you are as a person. I certainly would not want my president to make policy decisions based on something as judgemental and as non-evidence-based as faith. By the way, it is completely historically inaccurate to say our founders wanted a Judeo-Christian country. Most of them were Freemasons, and separation of church and state is absolutely essential to prevent the kind of tyranny some of the people on your show are talking about when they insist on America being a "christian" nation. I am not a Christian, and I am an American, regardless of what those bigots think!
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Alan What you are hearing from those who believe that Obama is a Muslim is nothing less than the triumph of our dumbed-down educational system that prevents people from engaging in critical thinking. They are nothing less than the American Taliban who want to see a theocracy established in America.
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Michelle First I don't believe religion is important in a leader. Second the Christian bible is used by many politicians to rule so saying the Koran would hinder a president is more racist than logical.
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Juanita It doesn't matter what faith or denomination a President of the US is. The office tends to make the man. President Obama by virtue of his office must make the people of the United States his priority. While deep faith helps a President to cope with the office and prods him to be persuasive in matters of state, there are other individuals who represent the US people, and a judicial system that smooth the rough edges off any potentially radical idea of his.
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Ellias in Nigeria I wonder why everyone is questioning the faith of President Barack Obama. Even if President Obama is a Muslim, does it anyway diminish the international reputation of the United States? Does it means that the man will not be able to stand up against the excesses of radical Muslims? Has that impeached his ability to help bring about peace between the Israelis and their Arab Neighbours? Let us just take it that the emergence of President Obama is an ideal Americans should celebrate as it portrays that grat country as the number place on earth where equality of all is guaranteed.
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G. A. Smith, Springfield, Missouri USA I grew up in a "mainstream" Christian church in the USA. and we're NOT CHRISTIAN ENOUGH to satisfy these right-wing fanatics., This is not about Barack Obama, per se, but about the fact that the people represented by Reed Mullins and the man from Kentucky want to rule over the rest of us in the USA and impose their beliefs on the rest of us, using our own laws against even people who are not Christian in the "right" way, i.e., evangelical, radical right wing.
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Chris I wonder,would these people be so open with their religious bigotry if Obama spoke about a synagogues location?? I am very curious,these americans are vocal in their condemnation of islam and muslims,but I never heard of a Jewish american leader or politician!! Is that because they (Jewish americans) dont try to be politicians or social leaders outside their subculture or is it because these one eyed christians turn a blind eye? The current anti-muslim attitude across the world is reminisent of the attitude against judahism in the dark ages!! I find this American obsession distasteful! there have been abortion clinics bombed,and staff in those clinics targeted,yet who would assume that any person against abortion is as radical as those who bomb clinics?
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Steve in Carolina Once again I'm wincing at the sound of Southern accents expressing Christian fundamentalist viewpoints and Tea Party nonsense, all the while claiming to speak for the majority of Americans. These are the people who are preventing us from tackling the real problems this country faces with their endless distractions and manufactured outrages. They seem to think that they alone know what's right for America and that they are the only ones who correctly understand our founding principles.
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Henry Your caller misspoke. Most of the Founding Fathers were Deists, They only accepted the existence of a God by observing nature, and NOT supernaturally, through the words of ANY prophets. They were VERY aware of the looming danger in mixing politics with organized religion. This whole issue is yet another campaign wedge tactic, keeping US politics, as always, a zero sum game of winer-take-all. Thank you.
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Esther Stonecypher Indianapolis. IN A person's faith or lack there of affects every part of their life. Whether consciously or subconsciously our belief about God and the universe makes a difference. There is no way to completely separate a person's faith from the choices they make because their view of God, whether they accept him or not, dictates their view of man and the universe in which we live.
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Andy I live in Virginia. I am concerned that Christian fundamentalists in my state and the South in general are seeking to impose an equivalent of Christian redneck Sharia Law in the US. The president should keep his spiritual views to himself. It has no part to play in a modern government.
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James WHYS: Ignorance runs rampant in America. This nation was specifically and intentionally founded as a secular nation...it is a nation of dollars not religion. Admittedly, the U.S. is a nation of mostly Christians, but it is not a "Christian" nation. Second, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all are spawn of the Mosaic Code. That is, all of them come from the supposed teachings of Moses. Third, the United States Constitution unambiguously states that "there shall be no religious test for any public office." If anything, I would prefer our president to be an atheist.
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Valerie A quick comment about extreme muslims...our country also has many extreme christians-is that ok b/c they are christian? Many presidents were not right leaning christians but no one asserts that THEY are muslim Unfortunately it all boils down to president obamas skin color and our country's inability to handle it (I am white)
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Pat in North Carolina I live in a part of the country (NC) where a large percentage of "Christians" mostly Southern Baptists, declre that Catholics are NOT Christians, liberals may go to a Christian church but are definitely not the right KIND of Christian, and that's before you even get to Buddhists, Hindus, or Universalists, let alone the new all-purpose cultural scapegoat, ie, Muslims. As far as I'm concerned, it's all red herring and underneath it, a cynical grab for political power.
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Richard in Texas I'm sure that 20% of Americans are so consumed with hatred for the President that they probably believe he is a vampire, too. (Same for Bill and Hillary Clinton--Democrats aren't allowed to run the country.) Your Oklahoman guest's suggestion to the Kentucky caller that Obama's attendance of a Christian church did not matter because it was not a "real" Christian church proves their bigotry and immunity to evidence.
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Marcus in Malta Of course his religion matters. he aids and abets murder through abortion. He voted,IF I REMEMBER RIGHTLY, against the vetoeing of partial-birth abortion during the clinton era.He voted for murder. What morality do you expect for a man of such a mindset?
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Jayme in Florida When the Christian pastor, Jeremiah Wright made some controversial statements, Mr. Obama's opponents saw him as a follower of Rev. Wright. Now it seems convenient for his opponents to try and paint him as a Muslim. Attack his policy positions if you disagree with them. Don't conjure up false allegations about his faith. "What do we live for, if it is not to make life easier for each other?" George Eliot
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Kenton America is a country with freedom of religion, i feel that it is no ones concern what religion our president is. President Obama is doing a wonderful job and it totally doesn't matter to me if he's christian, muslim, or aethist. This is a country with a vast array of cultures and religions and we all should be accepting of each other.
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Jo India, a younger democracy has a Hindu majority, followed by Muslim and Christians. The prime minister is a Sikh and so far his religon is a non-issue! Why can't we move on in America?
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Todd in Atlanta Living in America, it constantly blows my mind how utterly hypocritical, petty, and ignorant that so-called conservatives and Christians continue to be. What is it to you that someone needs to be of the same religious stripes as you? It speaks to a high degree of insecurity that so many grown individuals get so bent-out-of-shape when other people, not just the President, have a different faith than theirs. Yet these same people (Christians) can't even see how closely they resemble the crazy radical Islamists terrorists. If GOD and JESUS are out there somewhere, I'm sure they are thinking to themselves that their 'followers' need to really get a life! So, If Obama were Muslim, Christian, Bhuddist, or a worshipper of multi-limbed purple people from Mars, I wouldn't give a rip... as long as he does a good job running a nation in crisis, and in my opinion, despite the difficulties, he's doing a solid job, thank you.
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I think it does matter if the President is a Muslim. One cannot divorce the religious from the political dimension of Islam. The loyalty of each and every Muslim is to fellow Muslims and not to their country residence if that is a Western country. Given that how could we trust a Muslim President. Eamonnin Kent.
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Alex I just wanted to answer your question as an American: The religion of my president doesn't matter to me, at least until he starts to throw around his religion as justification for his actions. I have no problem with a president being strong in their faith, and letting that be a basis for their method of governance. However, the trend with "Christian" politicians here is that they use their proclamation of faith to pander to their base. Then, when in their position, they use that "faith" to drown out alternative viewpoints. They KNOW they're right because they claim to have a blessing from God. These politicians are no better than the Islamists in other nations-- I see no difference. I don't look to my president, or any politician, for that matter, to be the moral compass for the country. We should all strive to set our own morals, and live in harmony, regardless of the faith of our leaders.
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I think white Americans are bitter for having a black leader but shy to sound racist, hence find it easier to attack Obama as a muslim.
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Tim from Ann Arbor, MI.... Faith informs decision making, sadly Obama's decisions thus far have been to the detriment of the country. My faith in him has been lost, and I'm not sure even if he declares his faith unconditionally it will save us from his misguided decisions.