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This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

I've noticed some removal of comments in some posts, which suggest that bloggers are using the complaint function to challenge comments from others. Can I appeal to people to be careful about mis-using that function. If you think a comment break the house rules, you are entitled to use the function; if you are simply in disagreement with a comment, that is not a fair use of the function. Using the function means our moderators will consider a comment before it is posted. Unnecessary use of the function slows down the discussion; so, please let's be fair to one another.

In addition, if you have any difficulty posting a comment, please let us know. The new posting mechanism seems to be working very well, but we would appreciate any comments about how it might be improved.

Thanks.

Just a suggestion Will, but mightnt it be a good idea to suggest bloggers stop using abusive, threatening, or defamatory language on your blog and then the moderators might not clip their comments???

I know it sounds a bit radical...

I hope this sort of stuff not tolerated just because it is aimed at Christian!!!!


That would be discrimination and intolerance!

;-)

PB

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Will Crawley M5

I agree 100% with your post. I do prefer open and honest debate (and personally never hit the complain button)-If I see someone's views I disagree with I prefer to challenge them in an adult manner. However there does seem to be a certain poster here who when they get their views challenged behaves in a very pathetic, childish manner-this really reflects on the lack of intellect, maturity and fundamentalist mindset of the complainer. As ever the fundamentalists muck things up for everyone. I must make it crystal clear here that I do not have any poster/s in mind when I state this, it is just a personal opinion and not meant in any way to offend or defame.

PB

On the matter that you raise...this board is retroactively monitored-meaning the mods have to receive a complaint first...Anyway it would be excellent if certain posters here after making certain strong claims-lets say for example in the matter of science-and when asked to back them up-prevaricate and bluster then appear to run off-then(get this!) repeat the claims. I am sure you would agree that this is dishonest and despicable behaviour and it does annoy posters. So much so that certain posters would start to not take other posters seriously.

Present company of course excluded.

"I hope this sort of stuff not tolerated just because it is aimed at Christian!!!!"

Ummmm I am very perplexed and confused by this remark PB!? as the vast majority of people get on great here of whatever persuasion or none! Indeed one must remember PB that those of all faiths and none have criticized you . One need only think of Jovial PTL's comment about you awhile ago. With all due respect PB I think that you should learn what debate actually entails-perhaps you could make a start with all those points that have been raised with you but...left unanswered.

Regards

DD

ps. this post was meant in a totally non-unlawful, harassing, abusive, threatening, obscene, sexually explicit, racially offensive, or otherwise objectionable material way.

To the question of the thread...

I think it is a case of using a sledgehammer to crack a literal nut to get the police involved. Reading the paper today Iris (like all fundamentalists) is reveling in her victim statue eg., boo hoo I am being attacked for my Christian beliefs, (my) god is infallible etc bore etc yawn etc

I think the best way when challenged with peoples views is to...challenge them! ask them questions, ask for evidence, try to encourage full and open debate. However in saying that I know to my cost how fruitless it is to try to debate certain types of fundamentalists as they love to wallow in their own pitiful, wilful ignorance-one need only look at the hypocrisy of Biblical creationists. Indeed fundamentalists do love to dish it out but...don't like to take it and do get rather upset when challenged(ahhh bless them!). Indeed they remind of one of the favourite refrains from Cpl Jones from Dads Army "They don't like it up them!".

In short I would say challenge Iris but don't get the police involved as this would spare us the pathetic victim bleat.

Also Iris should know that she is a public representative and should maybe wind the neck in a bit. However myself as being a non-public representative can of course express my opinion and funnily enough my view of religious fundamentalists is that they are "disgusting", "loathsome", "nauseating", "wicked", "vile" and "an abomination" and for that matter pathetic, intellectually challenged, hypocrites and dishonest. Fairs fair and all that in the interests of free speech and all that.

Peace

DD

Dylan Dog:
I think you mean religious fundamentalism is disgusting, loathsome, nauseating, wicked, vile and an abomination. Remember 'it is the sin not the sinner'. In which case, I am with you 100%.

brianmcclinton
I think the internet is disgusting, loathsome, nauseating, wicked, vile, and an abomination. That's why I post on it.

Spot on both Brian and MAII!

Will

sorry i dont buy the "team effort" any more.


Verbal abuse of Christians is "misplaced humour"???


But verbal abuse of homosexual people is "hate crime" even when it is manufactured by a shock jock.


Unless you give a direct response to this matter William I have drawn the conclusion of complete double standards here.

over to you.

PB

pb ... im missing something here. where has Will written about team effort and misplaced humor??

PB,

"Verbal abuse of Christians"

Is it abuse of christians, or is it abuse against the house rules BY you as a christian? I notice that posts submitted from your original identity are kept in pre-moderation before appearing. And that you've now taken another identity to post from. Which appears very much an attempt to avoid abiding by the rules that saw you demoted to pre-mod status. It could be argued that that constitutes a minor abuse of this blog on your side.

Peter

PB
Verbal abuse of Christians is all we have left. They've taken away our lions.

someone has issues with christians(suprise suprise,especially those euro christians.
,one of you at least.I believe the person i refer to might have been refered to in an earlier post.
There are many christians who care little of peoples sexual preferences , they show true christian principles.
the idea that she will be able to scream "i was persecuted for being a bigot" is funny but true. though it holds no water.
like other vessels i can think of.

Verbal abuse of Christians? Ho hum.

And lions? Why should we fear them, we follow one.

This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

It seems to me that the Christian Church in general, and the Anglican Church in particular, especially in Northern Ireland is obsessed with sexuality and homosexuality right now. I think I liked them better when they concerned themselves with more sectarian issues...like ridding NI of its plague of Catholics by any and all means. It was after all the Christian thing to do.

It also seems to me the EU increasingly resembles the USSR and so I have dubbed it the EUSSR. When just speaking one's mind is a crime, you have to wonder where it will go. The founding fathers of the US who wrote the American Constitution and the Bill of Rights and the Supreme Court of the United States grappled with with this problem and continue to, to this day. They are extremely wary about censorship in any form. They fear what they call the slippery slope, the tendency to start small and slowly work up into incrementally restricting the freedom of speech and thought to the point where there is no freedom left at all. What they say is that free speech needs defending most strongly when it is at its most vile, repugnant, and nauseating to the public at large. Apparantly in the EU and in NI, there is no such concern. We know where it will all go, all that's left to find out is what route it will take and how long it will take to get there.

Marcus erroneous,

the reason she is being taken to task is some in civilised society consider it unlawful to promote hate and bigotry.
If your regular writing in go too near the northern Irish you will be committing a crime .
read the act.
the reason laws like this exist is to keep the likes of you with your regular hate speech off the air.
Away from the press and in the dark hole you came from.
Away from fostering hatred.

or we could let the bigots roam and see how that fares for the minorities,
Oh wait Hitler already did that.

He got jews, homosexuals, gypsies,handicapped , anyone who could be blamed .
Killed them. That is why germany takes incitement of hatred seriously and why the police are taking this seriously.

Hi Marcus

I have a tendency to agree with you on this one. The issue of free speech is important.

Everyone is going to find something offensive, but in place like Northern Ireland we're a bit too sensitive.

For example I'm a Christian. You lamented that it was no longer possible to arrange Christians versus Lions contests. Am I offended? No, that would be stupid.

The trouble with abandoning the idea of free speech is that sooner or later those in power use force to stop everyone speaking.

I don't always agree with you Marcus, but I defend your right to speak.

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though I agree with freedom of speech when does it cross the line.

some use it only to cause trouble.

Free speech does not include You %$#@ing A%$#^ why don't you go @@#@!. you people disgust me. theyare this and they are that until someone stands up . punches them in the mouth. then the aggressor is seen as the person that denied free speech.
You are free to speak but only if you speak in a socially acceptable manner.
After all if I printed all my views on MA2 they would not be printed.

With free speech comes the responsibility

something some never understand.

Jacksforge.

MA2 has little to offer but hate speech.
I drop in here regularly and have pulled him up for his hypocrisy time and time again.

He will tell you when I respond to his anti euro bile that it's my fault for hating America.

I don't hate America, I think it's a great country with a noble tradition.

I work for an American company.

I wouldn't change that.

But MA2 has a short memory if he derides Euro administrations for curbing hate speech. I'd be fascinated to hear MA2's double standards when he justifies McArthyist censorship.

Over to the wacky world of Mark.

Take it away Uncle Sam...

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

I think freedom of speech crosses the line when our words become actions.

For example suggesting that Christians be fed to the lions, and actually throwing them into the lion cage, might be one way of explaining the difference.

The other point is this, hateful ideas need to be challenged and defeated in debate by better ideas; that, rather than legislation, is how we win the battle for hearts and minds.

From a Christian point of view however the debate takes on a slightly different slant. We are called to neither fear the words nor the actions of those who might feed us to the lions, but fear the one who is in charge of our very identities. That is where true freedom lies.

gee dubya
lol i'm in agreement .
I occasionally follow MA link to respond to the rubbish he throws out.
normally weird arguements of how he is not a vicious little,,,but a true patriot as HE slags off the US europe the pope anyone who goes to church anyone who doesn't go to church(made that up) anyone who thinks breaths lives.

I'm even 1/2 american.
Take NO offense when people slag it off.I encourage it.
unless way off mark.but then only because it is distracting.

McArthyist censorship.
what about now.
I'm an unamerican pinko communist who should get out of this country because I'm not patriotic.Supposedly.

i think that she should be investigated for her remarks, because they could be termed as homophobic...