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Eddie Mair | 05:29 UK time, Saturday, 18 November 2006

flight to Italy. Will I see you all there? Posh says to keep an eye on David. Grumpy mood about something...

Comments

  1. At 06:09 AM on 18 Nov 2006, Rosalind wrote:

    Good morning Edie, have a great time. You may bump into my sister if you are going to Milan, or are you going to a certain hill top village? If so I shall be surprised!

    Or is this the same as going to the beach I wonder. All this almost virtual reality is beginning to have its effect.

    Walk on the beach near me yesterday afternoon in the high winds was breathtaking in every sense of the word. The tide going out, the wind blowing the water back to the shore, only thankful it was a small high tide. The combination of very high tide and strong wind has created havoc here before now.

  2. At 09:27 AM on 18 Nov 2006, wrote:

    Morning all,

    Itlay,

    Val,

    Pas-de-Calais

    1659 or similar,

    Have a lovely time, I'll expect a post around midday from an Internet cafe.

    PS: Absolutely gorgeous down here today. Sun shining and very still and calm.

    /dorset/content/webcams/bournemouth_webcam.shtml

  3. At 10:22 AM on 18 Nov 2006, Frances O wrote:

    Aha! CLAUDE DU VAL: 1660’s
    A highwayman, of the reign of King Charles II, gives an insight into his dangerous trade!

    from the Royal Armouries:

    There is also JPG Du Val , who appears in a verrryyy long Wikipedia entry about Prussia:

    Am I getting warmier?

  4. At 10:26 AM on 18 Nov 2006, Frances O wrote:

    Aha! CLAUDE DU VAL: 1660’s
    A highwayman, of the reign of King Charles II, gives an insight into his dangerous trade!

    from the Royal Armouries:

    There is also JPG Du Val , who appears in a verrryyy long Wikipedia entry about Prussia:

    Am I getting warmier?

    But if this is all about IT, here's

    1 : 0; 1657 } 1658 1659 static int hdsp_set_spdif_emphasis(hdsp_t *hdsp, int val) 1660 { 1661 if (val) 1662 hdsp->control_register |= HDSP_SPDIFEmphasis; ...
    lisa.cs.uni-potsdam.de/lxr/source/sound/pci/rme9652/hdsp.c - 684k

  5. At 10:36 AM on 18 Nov 2006, Stewart M wrote:

    Been looking on Venice web cams. Can't see eddie yet.

    I'll keep looking. Dont forget to wave at the camera from St Marcs Basilica.

  6. At 10:42 AM on 18 Nov 2006, Frances O wrote:

    Oh, blimey, sorry about double post. Quickness of the hand decieves the software.

    Must be the champagne. Katie and Tim are having a bit of an argy-bargy about whether they should be called Homes-Cruise or Cruise-Homes. A Greek shipping magnate is looking interested and Richard Branson is taking notes.

    Must have some more canapes. Line my stomach. Long day ahead...

  7. At 12:36 PM on 18 Nov 2006, wrote:

    But have you seen David's picture on the front of the Telegraph this morning? WHO told him that knitted cardi with the reindeer(? deer? whatever animal it is) would be a good look? Surely it hasn't been fashionable since the 60's & then only on the front of the Women's Weekly? Or have I missed a fashion trend somewhere?

  8. At 01:19 PM on 18 Nov 2006, Frances O wrote:

    Blast! Now the flipping blogmachine has forgotten to remember me even though my name and email addie are on the form. Here we go again, and it was an anodyne enough post:

    Extreme knitwear?

  9. At 01:58 PM on 18 Nov 2006, wrote:

    Stewart, I think Eddie has gone to Tim and Katies wedding.

    I think it's in Rome or nearby. I wonder if he will be back for Monday or will Val Singleton be standing in for a while.

    All terribly exciting stuff eh!

  10. At 04:08 PM on 18 Nov 2006, Aunt Dahlia wrote:

    I think he's gone skiing.
    Sorry, missed out the 'v'
    I say a tearful goodbye at this point. I now have the broadband box in front of me. Which means a lot of language that would shock a stoker, and probably never being able to get back on line.
    I'm just going outside, I may be some time......

  11. At 05:54 PM on 18 Nov 2006, Frances O wrote:

    Oooh-er, Dahlia, wrap up warm. I think there's a drop left in that whisky bottle I took to the Beach...

    Well, just look at young Sequin: not only is she doing The Westminster Hour, she did today's PM as well. Does the girl ever have days off?

    Must go; Katie's about to fling her bouquet

  12. At 06:06 PM on 18 Nov 2006, Valery P wrote:

    Aunt Dahlia, good luck, we are awaiting delivery of a replacement wifi kit, have had to resort to old connection for the past few weeks, which has meant all corwding onto the one pc. Nice vision came to me just then, of us perched atop the monitor, Fido snapping to get up too.

    Stewart M, thanks ever so for the venice webcam link, happy holiday memories from a couple of years ago.

    Jonnie - checked for the lovely Bournemouth weather, but of course it's night time....ahh,is it possible I'm still over the limit from last night, or should I start again? How's your Mum, more breadmaking? Will she make it for the breakfasts, mmm fresh bread aroma.

    Right, definitely time to open a Saturday night bottle.

  13. At 08:01 PM on 18 Nov 2006, wrote:

    Re: Valery P (11)

    valery, start again!

    Just off to have an Italian - meal of course. I did have one too many last night and suffered at breakfast. I was 2 mins late down to start serving and Simon (S.O) who is the cook got rather annoyed.

    The bread turned out very well but she must get to grips with the instructions of the breadmaker. She is 78 though and coming to grips with the Freeview box was a bit of a challenge ;-)

    Catch you later xx

  14. At 09:58 PM on 18 Nov 2006, Frances O wrote:

    jonnie, did you really have one Italian too many last night?

    Gosh.

    Reee-spec.

  15. At 11:01 PM on 18 Nov 2006, RobbieDo wrote:

    Two things I don't believe.

    1. The world is a better and safer place because of the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq.

    2. Nobody has tried to post on any thread on this entire blog since jonnie at 20.01.

    As I write it is 22.59. Either my computer is telling me lies or the ´óÏó´«Ã½ and their appointed moderators work part time.

  16. At 12:07 AM on 19 Nov 2006, RobbieDo wrote:

    I am trying desperately to keep the toys in the pram but the response of this site is so frustrating - not a singe posting on the entire blog for over 4 hours - I don't believe it.

  17. At 12:14 AM on 19 Nov 2006, wrote:

    Just got back and checked my e-mails. One was from Mark and I knew it be worth sharing with you.

    Mark Callum (who sent it) is a Network Director, and is the person to kick when your local ´óÏó´«Ã½1 news opt-out is late. No reason to share that with you all, except I'll tell him to take a look at Eddies Blog and see his name in lights!

    Stay with it if it takes a second or two loading ?

    I hope Ken Livingstone isn't watching this though.


  18. At 12:25 AM on 19 Nov 2006, Is anybody awake? wrote:

    Hello - anybody here?

  19. At 12:28 AM on 19 Nov 2006, Is there life out there? wrote:

    Can I hear breathing?

  20. At 12:29 AM on 19 Nov 2006, John H. wrote:

    What a funny frog. I thought I'd spend ages catching up on what people had had to say today only to find that it has been all rather quiet. We were out most of the afternoon - partly intentionally because we popped into Bowness to see Casino Royale - partly unintentionally because when we came out, the car was obviously knackered and after an extended wait for the Very Nice Man, we had to embark on a very expensive taxi ride whilst the car had the luxury of being "recovered" to the dealer for attention at their earliest convenience. The most dramatic element of the latter was sitting in a car miles from home knowing that the dogs were sitting at home...

    The film was great though and Daniel Craig is accordingly slotted into Mrs H's list at some unspecified point. I mention all of this in part because of the talk about Venice - ah, Venice - which, if you don't know, features in the film. It's a place also quite close to our hearts because we actually got married there and it was lovely, whilst possibly not quite the intent of the film, to site-spot. We returned briefly earlier in the year as an anniversary present to ourselves. Ah, Venice...

    Other than that, where is everybody? I'm probably only still up because City won and I wanted to catch MotD, but you can usually rely on others to be generating intelligent and obscure comments. In their absence, p'raps I shall just pop off to bed with a mild feeling of goodwill towards TomKat on their own nuptials.

  21. At 12:31 AM on 19 Nov 2006, All closed down for the weekend? wrote:

    please submit you own comment here -------------------------------------.

  22. At 12:36 AM on 19 Nov 2006, Contemplating Suicide wrote:

    If you have all gone home should I do the same?

  23. At 12:37 AM on 19 Nov 2006, Contemplating Suicide wrote:

    I'll take that as a YES then.

  24. At 12:38 AM on 19 Nov 2006, Arnold Plonker wrote:

    Just going to see if the asteroids are out tonight.

  25. At 12:41 AM on 19 Nov 2006, Arnold Plonker's Friend wrote:

    No. - Its too cloudy tonight!

  26. At 12:45 AM on 19 Nov 2006, Arnold Plonker's Other Friend wrote:

    Any chance that this will get through?

    Oh dear somebody must be awake, I've just been stalled - no twice

  27. At 12:56 AM on 19 Nov 2006, wrote:

    And we are worried about a 1 second delay on DAB and Freeview Froggers !

    I think the moderators need a pay rise.

    Night all xx

  28. At 01:02 AM on 19 Nov 2006, lostthewilltolivebogger wrote:

    1. Are you bored.

    2. Well - fed up really

    1. Why?

    2. No posts are showing.

    1. When was the last one?

    2 8.01 pm - jonnie on "Up very early for my"

    1. Nothing since.

    2. Pas un sausage

    1. Hardly worth being here then is it?

    2. No! Now 00.30 the next day. May as well goto bed.

  29. At 01:23 AM on 19 Nov 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Harumph! I bet Eric's invite said "plus guest" - he could've taken me with him, but no. Grrr.

  30. At 01:27 AM on 19 Nov 2006, ReallyReallyFedUp wrote:

    Not really worth commenting here is it?

  31. At 01:32 AM on 19 Nov 2006, AmazinglyFedUp wrote:

    last message at 20.01

    Just off to have an Italian - meal of course. I did have one too many last night and suffered at breakfast. I was 2 mins late down to start serving and Simon (S.O) who is the cook got rather annoyed.
    The bread turned out very well but she must get to grips with the instructions of the breadmaker. She is 78 though and coming to grips with the Freeview box was a bit of a challenge ;-)

    currently 01:33

  32. At 01:35 AM on 19 Nov 2006, anybodygotaknife wrote:

    Goodbye and goodnight forever!

  33. At 09:11 AM on 19 Nov 2006, RobbieDo wrote:

    Valery P (12)

    I've wanted to order a replacement wife kit for ages but I'm not allowed to.

  34. At 09:26 AM on 19 Nov 2006, wrote:

    (joining RobbieDo in throwing toys out of pram)

    NOT ONE of my frogs from last night have appeared. Modded off the Beach, the lot.

    MODERATORS, WHAT IS GOING ON. Unless you think making a pizza topping is offensive...

  35. At 09:31 AM on 19 Nov 2006, RobbieDo wrote:

    ...testing...testing....testing...

  36. At 09:38 AM on 19 Nov 2006, Frances O wrote:

    Hey, Eric and team,

    BH is offering *two* chances to win a jam spoon in today's programme. Maybe PM should hit back with a butter knife competition??

  37. At 09:44 AM on 19 Nov 2006, wrote:

    ...and the Friday PM newsletter arrived in my inbox at 06:28 this (Sunday) morning...

  38. At 09:46 AM on 19 Nov 2006, wrote:

    Just like buses then -- nothing for hours and then they all come through.

    I presume a moderator (the moderator) didn't turn up for the shift last night ;-(

  39. At 09:47 AM on 19 Nov 2006, Frances O wrote:

    Know what? I think it's all a plot to keep me (wonderful MEEEEE) off the beach. After all, it was only since RobbieDo so kindly let me have the link that these problems started.

    I thought my pizza topping was acceptable.

    I wonder - has it crashed halfway to the magic 600?

    Sigh... coffee anyone? Cold pizza?

  40. At 10:25 AM on 19 Nov 2006, Anne P. wrote:

    Looks like serious overnight blogging blockage occurred and has suddenly freed up (I hope).

  41. At 10:42 AM on 19 Nov 2006, Anne P. wrote:

    I have emailed the following regarding the overnight blockage:
    Dear PM Blog team,

    You may by now be aware that there seems to have been a complete hiatus of about 12 hours on the moderation of blog postings Saturday night to Sunday morning when suddenly a wave of posts appeared.

    Since PM bloggers post from time zones around the world it cannot be assumed that no-one is posting in the middle of the night GMT. Surely Lissa is not having to moderate single-handed?

    Perhaps someone could take a look at the logs (assuming you have them) and let us know what happened and whether it is likely to recur.

    Many thanks.

  42. At 10:54 AM on 19 Nov 2006, Anne P. wrote:

    Am definitely going/being driven mad. All the comments which had appeared have now disappeared again.

    10:54 Sunday.

  43. At 11:00 AM on 19 Nov 2006, Anne P. wrote:

    It's bad enough posts not appearing but when the appear, disappear and reappear like a yoyo it just gets too much.

    11:02 Sunday

  44. At 11:02 AM on 19 Nov 2006, wrote:

    ...I see the blog has now eaten up all those blocked entries...

    So I too have emailed PM:


    Dear PM Blog team,

    Further to Anne P's email to you concerning a complete hiatus in blog entries, I am reporting that many entries that were made on Saturday night eventually appeared about 09:30 Sunday morning, only to disappear again by 11:00. None of the ones I read were offensive, they were
    despairing of actually appearing.

    It is understandable that "RobbieDo" had got so upset about the delays - in his case "only" 2 hours - presumably due to moderation, but if entries finally appear after moderation, how/why do they then disappear?

    By the way, my Friday PM newsletter arrived at 06:29 Sunday morning at my mailbox.

    Thanks.

    Deepthought (John W).

  45. At 11:20 AM on 19 Nov 2006, wrote:

    Oh right, so some messages are back *again*. Do we always have to complain for anything to happen (just asking for information).

  46. At 11:57 AM on 19 Nov 2006, wrote:

    Re: (44) (45) John W

    It's all very strange and baffling John.

    I too received the Newsletter but it popped in at 03:37 on Saturday.

    Then even more mysterious, an e-mail from Eddie which was sent on Friday at 10:50 arrived on Saturday at 12:10 nearly 25 hours later. Eddie's e-mail was in response to the RobbieDo delays explaining that he had spoken to the head of Blogs and to bear with the delays. Thanks again Eddie.

    Even more strange on Friday I had an e-mail from a friend at ´óÏó´«Ã½7 (based in Broadcasting House) which arrived 20 seconds after it had been sent. PM comes from TV Centre.

    My conclusion is that there must be some kind of rogue server in TV Centre - or wherever the TV centre mail server is located ? - as all the other general e-mails are coming in on time.

    Oh Well, at least I understand the Tim and Katy Homes bit now.

  47. At 12:06 PM on 19 Nov 2006, wrote:

    I think as Robin pointed out in response to Eddie's e-mail -- we have to just bear with it all until next year and patiently wait for the new software as promised.

    I'm a bit concerned that if too many complaining e-mails arrive in the PM Inbox Eddie may do a 'Newsletter' on us and not bother with it.

    Even worse he may adopt Chris Moyles policy and just get others to do it for him ;-(

    /blogs/

    If you scroll down to the PM blog bit it shows 12 comments - all rather bizarre.

  48. At 12:39 PM on 19 Nov 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    I'm confused - all seems present and correct to me. I had to post a couple of "push"es on earlier threads though. They've not shown up but have had the desired effect of shoing the earlier posts along.

    JH, I'm with Mrs H re putting Daniel Craig on the list. Ain't seen the film yet, but have seen the bit where he emerges from the sea. Phew!

  49. At 12:59 PM on 19 Nov 2006, Sara wrote:

    What a very upsetting weekend this has been here on the blog. I went down to the beach just after 10 this morning and apparently no one had been there since 8 the previous evening. Very very strange, I thought. And no one had been here either.

    So a couple of hours later I drift back and here you all are.

    Has the Titanic sunk at last? are we all just clinging to driftwood?

  50. At 02:56 PM on 19 Nov 2006, Rosalind wrote:

    jonnie 17, thank you, LOL.

    On walk this morning in glorious weather (AGAIN! are we going to suffer for this?), saw either 1 kingfisher twice, or 2 kingfishers, i cormorant feeding on the canal, 3 herons (or 1 three times, you get the drift), 1 lttle egret twice (or whatever), a whole lot of curlew, and some others which i can't identify. i am only a beginner in this bird watching business.

    Do we know why Eddie went to Italy?

  51. At 03:35 PM on 19 Nov 2006, gossipmistress wrote:

    Buon giorno Rananti!

    Let's hope Dr Muir makes it home in time for the programme tomorrow. Or will someone mistake him for James Bond and slip something poisonous into his sushi? I do hope he takes care (and wraps up warm)

    I personally chose the Lake District this weekend rather than the wedding. And very bracing (driving winds, hail and rain) it was too.

    I don't really notice the 'slowness' of the blog (I'm too slow myself) but I imagine it's annoying if you're in the middle of a conver

  52. At 03:42 PM on 19 Nov 2006, wrote:

    Roasalind, glad you liked it -- though who on earth decided on such dangerous things to be installed in Manchester. Are they commonplace I wonder? None down in Bournemouth yet.

    I'm envious of your walk, was just about to go out along the local beach and the heavens opened down here.

    You should have recorded the sounds for the next time Big Ben is out of order.

    I dare say Eddie will fill us in on wherever he's been. At least he's as honest as the day is long and as he says himself;- 'He can be trusted'

  53. At 03:53 PM on 19 Nov 2006, gossipmistress wrote:

    PS Johnnie - Bournemouth webcam looking very pink at 15.53!

  54. At 06:06 PM on 19 Nov 2006, admin annie wrote:

    so gang, here is my threatened serious post, prompted by two adjacent stories on the midnight news last night.

    First the latest from Dafur. Women raped and killed, villages attacked, the UN halpless and the world standing by and just watching basically.

    And then Tony Bleaggh in Pakistan, suddenly finding millions of extra pounds for additional'aid'; the aid apparently being a reform of muslim schools which teach a world view not 100% on Tony and Shrub's message.

    I'm sorry but this makes me sick. Am I the only frogger who remembers the 'ethical foreign policy' that Newlabour' were going to implement. I suppose that went out of the window when people were arrested for seeming to be about to silently protest against a state visit from China.

    Even leaving aside the broken promises about that though, I despair to hear that devastation and destruction and cynical opportunist terror can be ignored in one part of the world while millions can be thrown to another country to make sure that a western world view is propagated in a non -western context.

  55. At 07:35 PM on 19 Nov 2006, Anne P. wrote:

    Admin Annie (54)
    I saw the headline 'UK and Pakistan forge terror pact' and wondered who we are going to terrorise next.

    There have always been double standards in politics usually heavily influenced by the economic interests of the politicians and their backers. It is very sad to see people who I think probably do go into politics at least partly out of conviction, become entrenched in their views to the point of being unable to admit to being mistaken, and hence rushing even faster down the wrong road.

    Picking up on a point made on an earlier thread, sorry not sure by whom, might have been Deepthought, I would like to see us cut back massively on so-called 'defence' budgets, scrap Trident and spend the money on making people's lives better - here as well as elsewhere. So much can be done cheaply, by education, especially of girls, and through simple economic support for small scale projects and sustainable agriculture.

    As humans we have such a store of knowledge and some wisdom to draw on, but as my other half often says, we are still only a few steps from the jungle. We seem to have to relearn the lessons of the past every generation or so with dreadful suffering on the way.


  56. At 08:09 PM on 19 Nov 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Admin Annie (54),
    What would you do instead? I ask that in a pleasant tone of voice and with genuine interest, just in case it doesn't come across that way in writing. It's easy to criticise without solutions but I imagine someone who posts with intelligence and feeling, like yourself, has some suggestions, so I'd like to hear them.

    Cheers.

  57. At 09:20 PM on 19 Nov 2006, RobbieDo wrote:

    Hi everyone

    marymary needs some hugs on the beach. Please visit.

  58. At 09:27 PM on 19 Nov 2006, ray wrote:

    Hi Eddie. Just thought I would let you know I enjoy listening to you on the drive home at night.I particularly like when you give politicians a grilling. Keep up the good work. Your yank fan.

  59. At 09:43 PM on 19 Nov 2006, only a lurker wrote:

    What to do in Darfur is the right question. It's all very well for us to feel dreadful about what is happening, but recent events and interventions do not reassure me that the government(s) and/or UN have any idea about how to make things better. Intervention frequently changes the situation; frequently the fire is turned on those who intervene, partly because intervention is misguided/based on a misunderstanding/carried out in a brutal way that rides roughshod over people in a particular area. The hypocrisy, too, makes action difficult. Saddam is not the only dictator who threatened the lives of people and restricted freedom; for a while he was supported by those who invaded. A moral agenda for foreign policy does not seem to exist. I find it impossible to believe the reasons given by any political party to take action - under the cover of morality (or even post-invasion when no WMD were found) all sorts of economic and political aims are followed. So, if I was in Darfur and being affected by what is happening, I would want someone to do something. As I'm not, I fear that only the wrong thing will be done.

  60. At 09:46 PM on 19 Nov 2006, wrote:

    Admin annie (54) and subsequent froggers.

    Actually it was not my comment reported (55), though I share many of the sympathies. Yes, I remember the "ethical" pledge, and, cynically, thought *that* would not last long, and how right I was. I wish I was not.

    Dafor is just the latest case. Remember what was happening in Bosnia, I'm not even going to attempt to spell the town starting with "Sbr", a "safe haven", where several thousand men, boys etc were killed. And that place was guarded by some (obviously not enough) EU troops. African Union troops appear to be in the same situation in Dafor.

    ------

    Apart from anything else, imagine the amount of oil being used by armies, navies and air forces around the world, and we're being exhorted to switch of our energy-saving light bulbs.

  61. At 10:18 PM on 19 Nov 2006, gossipmistress wrote:

    Admin Annie (54) yes share your sympathies and can only add that suspect that if Darfur was producing large amounts of oil or of strategic significance in the 'war on terror' that something more decisive would have been done and been done much earlier than now.

    Will places like this end up having to rely on celebrities such as George Clooney and his pals to fight their corner?

  62. At 10:26 PM on 19 Nov 2006, Valery P wrote:

    I loved the link to the popup bollards Jonnie, thanks. We saw them in Barcelona earlier this year and thought they looked like an accident waiting to happen. I gave them a wide berth, and I was on foot!

    RobbieJohnDo, ho ho ho. I know I'm Scottish, but I'm no wifie!

    I'm so glad I haven't been able to get on to the frog until this evening, the disappearing and reappearing posts take me right back to August, when we put it down to teething problems remember? and I had to go back on the pills because posting posts was so stressful...

  63. At 11:48 PM on 19 Nov 2006, admin annie wrote:

    appy, I don't know what I would do instead. I'm a little bit like the irishman who, asked for directions said, 'well I wouldn't start from here'. I say this because I would not have started the second iraqui war, but having said that, I probably would have gone for Basra in the first Iraqui war and finished saddam off then, when everyone was burning with the injustice of Kuwait.

    What I wouldn't do would be to give 42 million or whatever to someone who rules a Muslim country and say 'use that to change the education you give your people so that they end up believing that the western way is the only way'. If I had 42 million spare, I don't know. How far does that go these days? How many people would it train or educate? How many health workers would it support in the third world? How many street children would it save? How far could it help in the fight against slavery, or drug running or people trafficking.

    Do you know I suspect the first thing I would do would be to give Members of Parliament and the Congress and Senate compulsory education in Islam. Because they obviously can't see what is totally obvious to the rest of us; that Islam per se is not wicked, and the more you demonise the faith and its inherents the more you will radicalise and alienate them.

    Why can Blair and Shrub not see this? or if they can, why don't they act upon it? Is it simply because neither of them are big enough to say, I'm sorry I was wrong. And then try and mend the mess thay have made. Sadly I think that might be so.

  64. At 12:14 AM on 20 Nov 2006, RobbieDo wrote:

    admin annie

    42 million to spare - let me see. Not to be used in Pakistan changing their education system that's for sure. Use it here to educate ourselves about Islam and the way that the rest of the world perceives us.

    Now 42 million transferred in proportion to the USA - how many million/billion dollars is that? Again in education - Why does the rest of the world not like us in the USA? Has it never occurred to anybody in the US administration to ask themselves that question?

  65. At 01:25 AM on 20 Nov 2006, wrote:

    admin annie, Deepthought, only a lurker, Appy, etc -

    Friends just gone after a dinner party and I was looking through the comments on the blog.

    It was all a bit depressing, so to cheer myself up and avoid nightmares played with youtube for a bit. This will all seem terribly trite and possibly meaningless in the morning but had not heard this rendition before and of course if only we all listened to the meaning ....

    To save you all wasting time it's a live version of John Lennon singing Imagine -- something that should be clicked on late at night and in the right mood.

    Night Froglets

  66. At 06:29 AM on 20 Nov 2006, Rosalind wrote:

    Good morning everybody and it is blowing a gale here, laced with rain. Putting the puppy out seemed cruel but he seemed happy enough.

    I began this morning as i always do by checking my g..gle alerts. i have them because many of us here are worried about the prospect of an aggressive supermarket putting the excellent Farmers Market and small shops that we still have, out of business.

    By coincidence there was an article which had a link to a small charity which is attempting to do what e.g. admin annie was thinking of. Have you come across John Humphrys's charity Kitchen Table Charity Trust?

    I know its the government which should be doing these things, I wonder what Hilary Benn thought when he saw all that money going to Pakistan's maddrassas (?sp). Does it come from his development fund? Of course we are all paying for it I know. And I would love to know how the anti-corruption systems will work.

    I wonder when the weather situation will get so bad that all the governments will get together and do something? I should have thought the time was past now, but who am I to say?

    I think today would be a good day on the beach where the weather is always lovely, and there is sand and rock pools and lots of picnic hampers.

    Anyway, apart from all that have a good day!!!!!!

  67. At 08:38 AM on 20 Nov 2006, wrote:

    Morning all,

    Sorry for being absent for the majority of the w/e. Looks like I missed some major problems with the comment system...

    Admin Annie (54) and onwards: It's difficult for me to argue against both sides here, but I think that maybe the path should be somewhere in-between. I agree that what was claimed as an ethical foreign policy seems to have dwindled away after Robin Cook left the FO. Allying ourselves so closely with another country (in this case the US) does not appear to have given us the influence that it first was hoped. Instead, it has made us appear to be an adjunct to the US, quite probably increasing the risk of us being attacked by terrorists. Please not I am not saying that it's right to use the invasion of Iraq as a justification for terror attacks. What I'm saying is that the invasion has possibly increased the anger that some have against us to the point that they now consider their muslim brothers and sisters as being attacked by us, therefore are fighting back on their behalf.

    So, in a way, our support of President Musharraf with aid may help the situation if it goes to easing the anger that some feel towards us. However, there's still a lot that needs to be addressed in the foreign policy currentlyt being persued by the government. The slavish link with the US should be loosened, while clear ethical stands need to be taken towards areas such as Darfur, Zimbabwe, Uzbekistan, etc. Also, as part of the policy, I believe we should decide to scrap our nuclear weapons systems without replacing them. The notion that they are independent is well-known to ba a fallacy. Plus, our insistence that other countries adhere to the NPT, while we ignore our responsibility to reduce such arms under the same treaty weakens our bargaining position, rather than strengthening it. The money saved could do wonders for national infrastructure projects such as the NHS, the Rail system, reducing carbon emissions, etc...

    Sorry for such a serious post first thing on a Monday, but I felt I needed to get it off my chest, so to speak.

    p.s. Bonus Question: How many States are there in the United States of America? (hint: it's NOT 50)

  68. At 09:10 AM on 20 Nov 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    'Morning all. Back from the Welsh hills (again). Looks like lots has happened, but I haven't had time to catch up yet.

    But I couldn't resist a quick wave to you all.

    Lord M - Are you back? Did you go? Is it (as suggested somewhere) your very own 'beach'? This I can well understand.

    Ahhh, Italy - Such fond memories ......

  69. At 09:45 AM on 20 Nov 2006, Frances O wrote:

    Morning, froggers

    Busy day today - mey not even have time to find out when Eric posts his first blog (shock horror probe) or when the newsletter arrives.

    By eck, it's cold

    Might nip off to the beach

  70. At 01:30 PM on 20 Nov 2006, only a lurker wrote:

    thank you for the Venice webcam. It's now on my work computer too... my perfect place

  71. At 09:56 AM on 21 Nov 2006, RobbieDo wrote:

    FF at 67

    Does that mean you're not counting the commonwealths?

  72. At 11:01 AM on 21 Nov 2006, wrote:

    FF (67)

    Just to note that helping Musharraf is helping to keep a somewhat unpopular and unelected leader in place - not much different from the methods which have earned us such love and respect worldwide.

    "Meanwhile, in bombed-out office buildings and the rubble
    of ruined apartments, in cellars and cafes and mosques and
    vegetable markets, in Islamabad and Cairo and Karachi, a
    new nation will be born - first only in the form of
    unquenchable anger, an anger born of exploitation,
    deprivation, and desperation. It will grow in the form of
    a hatred as virulent and communicable as any biological
    agent born in the bowels of the Pentagon. It will spread
    from mother to daughter, brother to brother, father to
    son, to be carried from one generation to the next. It
    will be a nation without a leader, borders, or an anthem,
    but a nation nonetheless. A superpower forged in the hot
    coals of rage.The world over, tens of millions will look
    at America, and pray for revenge.

    And when the next airliner plows into a packed stadium in
    Seattle or a nuclear plant in New Jersey, America will
    cry, wail, fume, and collectively wonder why They Hate Us
    So Much.

    Welcome to 2003. Welcome to ground zero."
    -- David Livingstone

    xx
    ed

  73. At 05:47 PM on 21 Nov 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    I know I wasn't offensive a couple of hours ago, but my frog here from that time hasn't shown up yet. Why not, dear pixies, why not?

  74. At 09:24 AM on 22 Nov 2006, wrote:

    RobbieDo(71) Well spotted! I expected Ed to get it, but I wasn't sure others would...

    Anyone else want to guess how many States there are (since RobbieDo didn't actually give away the answer)?

  75. At 05:28 PM on 22 Nov 2006, wrote:

    I guessed, but my frog got fragged for including and a reference to news report, which details the result of the video event. ;-)
    xx
    ed

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