It's HERE.
1255 UPDATE:
The consensus (among people who could play it) appears to be that it doesn't make any bloody sense at all.
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Interesting but, after three and a bit minutes, I'm still not entirely sure I've "got it". Do tell us more.
Yeah, text please your Mairness! Stupid web filtering sowftware won't let me download audio from the 大象传媒 :卢(
And the big news is.....
that anyone who doesn't have a particular format for audio on their computer will never find out what it is.
*sigh* the wonders of techyknowledge.
Eddie, could you bring yourself jus to *tell* us, in text, some time? Or could someone who has the relevant added bits of gubbins in their machine let the rest of us know? Thanks.
It is to be a new radio programme about what discussions etc are happening out in cyberspace, editorially led by listeners and with a dedicated website of its own to harvest ideas and discuss running orders etc. I think.
It will also be podcast.
The blog prog?
A new programme for the blog. What isn't good enough for transmission on Radio 4 goes on the blog then :-)
Only joking!
It sounds interesting actually.
I'll be fileing my report on the red arrows later -
ANd even now Eddie is questioning the sanity of Mark Damazer --
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
TEXT PLEASE PLEASSSEEEE PPPPPLLLLLLEEEEEEAAAAAAASSSSSEEEEEE!
thanks
Please, please Eddie, let us poor souls, who are banned from viewing streaming media content that does not conform to Big Brothers internet policy, into the big sercret.
Then we may all "get it"
Many thanks
hmmmm sounds an interesting idea. Any idea where this'll sit on the schedule, though? I hope it's at a work-friendly time, as that would certainly make it a lot easier to catch. Yes, I know it's a podcast as well, but I often find it's easier to listen at the time rather than at a later date...
Jason - well done you. I heard it all and laughed at the appropriate places, but when I got to the end I thought I might have to Listen Again :o)
It does sound very exciting for lots of our regulars who will be able to input editorially and technologically - I'm right in thinking you want all that kind of input? yes?
But you don't want money. Good.
Poor Chris Ghoti :-(
No point in telling you Chris - as you won't be able to get it.
but in essence it's a programme - that can be streamed from the blog - or podcast - with material that won't be transmitted over the air.
The type of stuff that we waffle on about.
I expect Ed I will have hiw own daily slot to tell us the woes of air-travel.
The Frog Blog Prog perchance?
If they (the 大象传媒 ) put it up as an MP3 we might all have more luck. -- it's the streaming real audio that is normally blocked.
Unfortunately I was told that I am breaking 大象传媒 Copyright by transferring to MP3 or hosting any 大象传媒 material so sorry guys - can't help you anymore.
.......????????
Surf Control has beheaded the am_on_pm_20070817.ram, so will have to wait till I get home to find out more....unless there is a written version somewhere else at the BeeB?
DIY.lamb
Er......
We already have a Radio Four programme that fits perfectly with the nature of this 'announcement'.
.........Ramblings!
Fifi :o)
Not quite sure if I can get the precise intonation, but as you rightly said Eddie - "oh.."
For those of you who couldn't hear it - it's here :-
(not on the pm extra site)
OK - well I'm all in favour of trying new ideas, but in truth I'm still not very sure what you're proposing.
Perhaps a specific example or three would help?
I have *no* idea what's going on. I'll have to wait until I get home to hear that audio stream.
The great man Chris Evans (Radio Two 5pm) would be an ideal presenter for the new Blog Prog.
I too have no idea what's going on. Downloads of any kind are strictly verboten where I work. And I'm not allowed to stream either - they've taken the sound cards out of our PCs!
A simple, words of one sylable or less explanation would be much appreciated.
Ta!
;o) []
Right.
As I understand it, it's an incredilbly simple and fascinating idea for a new 大象传媒 Radio4 programme.
(1) All over the world, people are writing blogs. For example, there are 'famous' ones from an unnamed girl in Iraq, one from Beijing, Rachel in North London and about 7 million others. Also, there is loads of "debate, comment, recommendations, testimony" out there on the web.
(2) The PM team think there's a load of interesting material out there, and want to pull toghther 'threads' to craft a transmittable "Blog Prog"
(3) Basicaly they can't be bothered to actually find all this stuff, and they want US, the audience
to point it out to them, so that they can broadcast a SONY winning programme!!!!
I'm game!!! Sounds like the sort of thing I want to listen to....assuming you edit it ....
best wishes
nikki
x
Hello all,
Sorry if you can't hear the audio. I can't either. Nikki (21) has got it about right. We recently advertised for a researcher to help us do it. The ad said:
"The Blog Prog is a new weekly programme for Radio 4. It aims to set a new standard for radio production and its relationship with the audience. The 鈥淏log Prog鈥 will distil the best and most challenging discussion and debate from the blogosphere. The half hour programme will also generate its own stories through its own blog & will open up the editorial process to take advantage of a well informed and blog savvy audience. At it's heart it's about how we take these ideas and this transform this online debate and personal testimony into arresting and thought provoking radio."
The first thing you could help us with is the name. I quite like 'BlogProg' but others in the office do not. Any thoughts?
I still don't have the faintest idea what you're on about to be honest. Is it a joke?
Here's an idea - why don't you create a news & current affairs programme timed to hit the 'drive-time' audience - you know between say, 5 & 6.
You could make it slightly quirky, humorous even, without losing the serious news element. You would have to get a presenter who has a balance of humour, cynicism, excellent interviewing skills and good all round journalistic ability (can't think of anyone off hand, but there must be one or two kicking around the 大象传媒).
Then, to get the interactive bit going with the audience, you could develop a 'blog' that allows the audience to participate via comments. What do you think? Has it got legs? Worth running up the flagpole, see if anyone salutes?...
Eddie:
I suspect the answer is "Yes".
Yes Peter - I do like Blog Prog. If I were you you I'd settle on it as soon as possible before Mark pokes his creative nose in and comes up with something like:-
' The 大象传媒 alternative media interactive listener programme'
.... Though if Peter can't listen to it - and most of the regular bloggers it's all pointless!
Peter,
"The first thing you could help us with is the name. I quite like 'BlogProg' but others in the office do not. Any thoughts?"
1. "Wired and Weird"
2. "Offline"
3. "The Frogprog" (permission required)
4. "Blogspatches"
5. "Blogside"
6. "From our own Blogespondents" (Froggespondents)
7. "Caught in the Net"
8. "Tangled in the Net"
9. "Unscrambling the Blogosphere"
10. "Heard in Cyberspace"
11. "Thoughts from Ablog"
12. "Unblogging"
enough for the present. I don't find BlogProg all that attractive, myself.
Good luck with the project, and do keep us posted.
xx
ed
Peter,
"The first thing you could help us with is the name. I quite like 'BlogProg' but others in the office do not. Any thoughts?"
1. "Wired and Weird"
2. "Offline"
3. "The Frogprog" (permission required)
4. "Blogspatches"
5. "Blogside"
6. "From our own Blogespondents" (Froggespondents)
7. "Caught in the Net"
8. "Tangled in the Net"
9. "Unscrambling the Blogosphere"
10. "Heard in Cyberspace"
11. "Thoughts from Ablog"
12. "Unblogging"
13. "Unravelling" (the Web)?
14. "Tapestry"
15. "Pulling Threads"
enough for the present. I don't find BlogProg all that attractive, myself.
Good luck with the project, and do keep us posted.
xx
ed
Dear Peter Rippon Sir,
Titles for I don't know what
ProgBlog Rocks
Twutter
The Ill Literacy Program
The Chris Evans Show, hosted by Armano Ianucci
Wireless Times
actually, you need Fifi, she's good at this....
"The 鈥淏log Prog鈥 will distil the best and most challenging discussion and debate from the blogosphere. The half hour programme will also generate its own stories through its own blog"
Vicious or virtuous circle? Just going round in circles?
Not-so-elaborate hoax?
If it is real - how about "Blog Off!" as a name?
Peter (22):
Reservoir Blogs
Straw Bogs
The Blogs of War
The Truth About Cats and Blogs
Blogs Breakfast
Blogs Dinner
Mad Blogs and Englishmen
Let Sleeping Blogs Lie
A Blog's Life
Gone to the Blogs
Hot Blogs
Every Blog Has Its Day
Going to the Blogs
Lassie Come Home
...
okay whats wrong with this one? answers on a post card .
So its going to be like The Guardian (other papers that misspell and get precious too easily are available) blog watch columns but on the radio.
And the people who tell you about the interesting stuff and the people who blogged it in the first place get a cred? Do they get a fee too or do they do it, p'haps unbeknowns in the case of the original bloggers, for you for free?
Whats the difference between a podcast and listen again? (Genuine question, don't forget I like quietly in the middle of the 20th centuary here)
Sorry about the link but my mouse is holding other goodies and i need it later.
(You click near 2oo0,* ask yourself
when 9/11 was,
and check in Wiki that the dot com dot boom burst (sounds like a Little Richard lyric) was late 2001,
and then ask yourself and Si Worrall what that sharp drop in interest rates early 2001 was about).
* You can do it B4 ate if you want (Sorry, Roger Sawyer says I should make jokes like what rjd does)
Oh dear, this is where I came in isn't it?
Peter Rippon PM Editor Sir -
At it's heart it's about how we take these ideas and this transform this online debate and personal testimony into arresting and thought provoking radio.
Spot the typo, that's not really the real advert that you really, really used is it? If it is, would you like a proofreader? I'm a bit quiet this afternoon......
re name how about Blogaurial?
just an idea
DIY
mac :-
A podcast is a downloadable mp3 - or aac file that you can save and play on your pc - or portable mp3 player.
Listen again - is streamed audio available for windows media or realplayer - but not usually downloadable. In the case of some 大象传媒 Listen again files they are only available for 7 days - or a finite duration.
Well I think it's a smashing idea! Thanks for the various explanations - much appreciated.
I quite like "The Blog Prog", but I was also rather taken with Ed's "Caught in the Net" suggestion and SSC's "The Truth About Cats and Blogs"! ;o)
My own humble offerings:
- A Blog by any other name
- The Blog, the Whole Blog and Nothing But the Blog
- Blogospherics
- Submit Your Comment
- Blogwatch
- Bloggage!
- A World in Your Blog
- World Wide Weblog
- Tomorrow (as opposed to Today)
- 1011001010010100100101100111010100
-
And may I recommend the following blog, which I drop in on from time to time, it does have some fascinating and deep discussions on all kinds of topics:
http colon backslash backslash eolake dot blogspot dot com
;o) []
Blog days of summer
Every Blog has its day
Blog tired
Working like a blog
Blog rough
Blog eared
Thanks, Peter!
As for the name of the show -
Blog is not quite a well enough known word yet, in my opinion, for the radio four audience at large, (although happy to be proved wrong on that).
So the programme name could be more informative if it had another word in its title.
How about:
"world wide web watch" [W4 on R4]
Does what it says on the tin. Also, the name of the show and the name of the website where you want the blog to be accessed from need to be very memorable:
eg -
www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/w4
[and
www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/wfour could redirect you to the same site ]
best wishes,
nik
Why keep a blog and bark yourself?
Love me, love my blog
Sick as a blog
Text version? How about a transcript? It's as faithful to the original as I dare, so don't be surprised if it makes even less sense than the original...
I can distinguish Eddie's voice, but perhaps because I don't hear them so often, I can't completely distinguish the other two speakers (one of which is Peter - he gets mentioned by name somewhere in the recording), so you'll have to make do with E (Eddie) and O (for both Peter and AN Other).
E - Well this is the moment we're going to blow the gaff on our big secret, which, once people hear it, they'll think - "Oh!"
O - It's been some time in the making, but we are about to offer a new programme.
E - Should we have got the old one right first?
O - What we've done - we're very privileged that the controller of the network has agreed that we can have a go at a new programme, provisionally entitled "The Blog Prog" which we think we can take some of the things we've learnt from the PM Blog to make a new type of programme.
E - And, it's about blogs is it?
O - It's essentially about - I think there's a lot of things on the web that Radio 4 listeners would find really interesting but they don't really know how to get it, so it's a programme that will hopefully point people in that direction. I also think that the people who - there are a lot of Radio 4 listeners who know a lot more about what's interesting on the web than we do, so we want to sort of run a blog that allows people to help us decide what stories we do and how we do them and where we find the interesting stuff.
E - But I...I think one of the points we need to make is it's not about blogs. The programme that goes out on the radio won't be about blogging and blogs, will it?
O - If you like it will...
E - I...I...should I come to more meetings?
O - If you like it's the idea, as Peter was saying, that there is some fantastic debate, comment, recommendations, testimony which exists online, which we struggle to get at. So rather than us squirrelling away and thinking, "What might be interesting for the audience on a given day?", editorially our cue comes from those debates, those postings, those recommendations, that kind of debate that exists at the moment, which you sometimes hear on the mainstream media because it punches through - but we're trying to kinda look at it on its own, so we can actually use that and try and hopefully make some interesting radio out of it.
O - And I think that the key feature that - of the programme, what we want the audience to help us in the production process much more than they do - what do you know - there are - that's in showing us stuff that they think's interesting, helping us craft and decide what sort of sequences we want to do with stories, what treatments we should do, how we can construct that, and we do that all on the website blog that will go with the programme.
E - All right, so there will be a special er, website, blog, er, there'll be a seperate programme, and we'll add details of when that goes out and how often and things, erm, what else did we have to say? Could people send money? Could people send money to help the programme?
O - No.
E - Has Mark Damazer lost his mind?
O - Mark Damazer is a great man.
O - It will be a podcast as well 'cause it will be...
E - Ooh! Oh what? I didn't even know that!
O - Yes.
E - This is an announcement...
O - Because of its nature, the idea being that you don't have to listen...
E - How did you manage that?
O - We're very persuasive.
E - Oh! Oh, I'm very impressed. You see even I've learned something today.
O - I would hope that a lot of people won't actually - won't feel that they need to listen to the programme when it - it goes out in its "linear" form as they call it,
E - Yes.
O - And so if there is a podcast it is something that, you know, people can listen to on demand, when they demand to listen to it.
E - And then they can demand to have it taken off (!)
O - They can, and they probably will.
Thanks for seperating that for us Mittfh ;-)
xx
ed (pedant)
mittfh @40 -- thank you very much!
My chosen name would be Cross Incontinence in 'omage to the many bloggers who tend to be both irrate and profuse. But I guess that sounds too much like another show we all know.
Or how about PM Technology - or just PMT for short. A monthly show that no one looks forward to but manages a 50% participation rate across the country...
How more interactive can you get?
How about "Blog Snorkelling" which is apparently when you dive into a trench full of muddy water & swim to the other end without a clue where you are , & unable to see anything happening around you, till you end up crashing into the far end of the trench.
Loved the transcript, mttfh. Thanks for that. I couldn't play the audio.
Been out of radio & computer contact all week, so haven't a chance of catching up with the blog, I fear. But as long as youve all been happy while I've been away, that's all that matters.
Annasee hahaha! Blogtastic!
PMT is is, then Jason! Brilliant!, But surely it could run for several days every 29...
xx
ed
Aren't we missing the obvious here? viz.: 'Bring Me The Blog of Alfredo Garcia'.
Sid
Did I detect a bunch of bored schoolboys, told to stay behind by the Head and write an essay on "The essential interactiveness of radio and the internet", as punishment for falling short in fulfilling his dreams of innovative broadcasting greatness?
And would the Headmaster who blights their lives be none other than Mark (Gradgrind) Damazer? And might it be that the name "Damazer" is derived from "Doh!" and "amazer"? Because it never ceases to amaze me what said Head thinks is a good idea. Doh!
Surely it will end up as a feedback loop creating a giant howling noise? Doh!
Could it be "PM Lite"? Or even "大象传媒 Lite"? You know, the same wrapper as dear old PM, but without all that high calorie fatty stuff we get on the regular 5pm programme. Because this will come from external bloggers, so it will be lean, mean (cheap??) and guaranteed not to put weight on the listeners.
Do I have the right idea? Because to be honest I'm not sure I understand what it's all about. But that recent Ariel interview with the blog king (forgotten his name) did seem to be implying that this was the way forward. He didn't actually spell out "sack 90% of the journalists & replace them with a single researcher who can trawl blogs for stories" but I thought that's what he meant.
I like 'The Blog Prog', but if not, what about 'Watchblog'?
I got it, but I didn't get it. Geddit?