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Five reasons why Ireland can beat France (91)

Paris - France are to put their opening-night catastrophe against Argentina firmly behind them and pulverise an under-performing Ireland on Friday, taking a huge step towards the quarter-finals in the process.

So is there any hope at all for Eddie O鈥橲ullivan鈥檚 boys? Could they upset the odds and effectively eliminate the World Cup hosts before the end of the group stages?

Let鈥檚 see if we can come up with some reasons why Irish eyes might be smiling, rather than sobbing, at the Stade de France鈥

1) They are underdogs.

No dispute there. They have . And despite attempts to change that stereotypical image in recent years, the evidence suggests that is the label that sits most comfortably on Irish shoulders. To quote : 鈥淭he Irish prefer to blow out the candles rather than celebrate them.鈥 While I don鈥檛 think for a moment Zinny was suggesting the Irish don鈥檛 love a good party, I think I knew what he meant. Ireland have lost their last five matches against France, including a quarter-final thrashing at the last World Cup. The last time they beat them was in the 2003 Six Nations, 15-12 on a blustery day in Dublin.

2) Eoin Reddan.

It is unlikely that in his World Cup planning Eddie O鈥橲ullivan envisaged dispensing with a scrum-half with 79 caps for one with just three in his locker, for the pivotal game of their campaign. But does have a certain logic to it. Putting aside his display against Georgia and the intercepted pass that caused Ireland so much grief, Stringer rarely causes an opposition defence to think twice before it sets its sights on Ronan O鈥橤ara. Reddan, on the other hand, is happy to attack around the fringes and has the pace to back himself, as his two tries for Wasps in their Heineken Cup quarter-final win against Leinster last season demonstrated.

3) France鈥檚 team selection.

Bernard Laporte reckons Yannick Jauzion is not fit enough to last 80 minutes at the moment. In which case I would have started with him and made sure France had his reassuring presence at centre while they try to gain control. David Marty is quicker and livelier once the ball is in his hands, but he knocked on four times in a row . In a game where looking after the ball will be paramount, Jauzion鈥檚 absence could be costly with Brian O鈥橠riscoll hovering. And for all his other qualities, does not appear to have fully mastered the intricacies of the line-out yet in his new role at lock. Paul O鈥機onnell and co. could have some joy there.

4) In BOD we trust.

The best centre in the world has not looked like that in this World Cup, or been able to provide the inspirational lead he has so often in the past. But Brian O鈥橠riscoll, as he has proved many times, is a man for the big occasion. Intriguingly, he has often proved a thorn in French flesh, scoring seven tries in his seven Tests against the Tricolores. Three of those of course came on that dazzling spring day in 2000 when the young tyro alerted the rest of the world to his burgeoning talent with a stunning hat-trick at the Stade de France, Ireland鈥檚 first victory in Paris since 1972. They haven鈥檛 won in the French capital since, but where there鈥檚 BOD, there鈥檚 hope.

5) The siege mentality.

After all the criticism that has come their way after two dismal displays against and Ireland have plenty of motivation to ram their critics鈥 words down their throats. The last week has seen all sorts of rumours about player unrest, splits in the camp, and of the task at hand. Such stories, if true, could see the whole show collapse if France get their tails up, or they could bond the Irish closer together in adversity. Their hosts do not feel completely at home at the Stade, where they have lost one in three of their Tests, and the locals get can restless. Frustrate them early on, and who knows鈥

Not convinced? No, me neither. Losing on Friday will constitute a national calamity for France. I take them to win by 12-15 points. What do you reckon?

Bryn Palmer is the 大象传媒 Sport website鈥檚 rugby union editor.


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  • 1.
  • At 10:21 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • pichot wrote:

Having been at Dublin Airport last night and witnessed the optimism and beleif of the huge numbers of Irish fans heading for Paris, the Irish support for the boys has to be a major factor tonight.

To quote EOS. "This is the best ever prepared Irish team". After watching the dross served up in the first two games.... Eddie you have talked the talk now lets Walk the Walk.

Come on Ireland !

  • 2.
  • At 10:30 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Brian wrote:

Horgan getting in 80 minutes of game time (even if he was rubbish) against Georgia could be another reason to be optimistic, on his day he's up there with the best

  • 3.
  • At 10:33 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Brian wrote:

Horgan getting in 80 minutes of game time (even if he was rubbish) against Georgia could be another reason to be optimistic, on his day he's up there with the best

  • 4.
  • At 10:34 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • James wrote:

Come on Ireland. The whole country is behind you. I am sure that the tournament will be worse off without the hosts but what the hell!!!

Lets get this World Cup campaign finally started.

  • 5.
  • At 10:37 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Paul wrote:

Ireland will win, there is no alternative, Ireland must win. They will, its time to show the world our hand, and thump the French and make them sorry for ever beating us in Croke Park.

Make them feel as sorry as the English felt leaving the pitch in Croker Park last autumn.

Ireland to win 26 - 20

  • 6.
  • At 10:38 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Martin wrote:

I'll give you two more reasons:

1.REVENGE. France have denied Ireland four six nations championships on the trot and they knocked us out of the last world cup. That will drive ireland to a victory

2. Irelands biggest ever travelling support will desend on St Denis this evening and compliments of a few pre match beers they will be in full voice come kick off. That alone will rattle the French and inspire the Irish

  • 7.
  • At 10:39 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Barry wrote:

Im sorry but Ireland are going to win 2nite, they having being playing within themeselves for the first two games, but 2nite the pressure is off to a degree no1 expects us to win, and this is when we are at our best. Yes chabal is a monster, but we will see how big he is is when paul o connell lifts him and buries him face first into the ground!!In ROG AND BOD WE TRUST!!!

  • 8.
  • At 10:43 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • J wrote:

"Not convinced? No, me neither. Losing on Friday will constitute a national calamity for France. I take them to win by 12-15 points. What do you reckon?"

Fair points all round. But I think the general feeling in Ireland is that if this were the team from 7-8 years ago, we wouldn't expect much except the traditional "giving of a lash" followed by a walloping.
But these lads can play, and play damn well(ie: wallabies, boks both taken out in style last autumn). And when they play like that, the flair, the passing, the ingenuity all combine to form what pre-WC reports led us to believe: that Ireland, despite ourselves, actually have a chance to win!
And there in lies the problem. My heart tells me it'll be a french victory, but my heart tells me we'll turn them over, and with style too. Let's see if heart trumps head tonight :-)

"Ireland, Ireland
Together standing tall
Shoulder to shoulder
We'll answer Ireland's call"


  • 9.
  • At 10:56 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Joe RYAN wrote:

All logic favours a French victory, but that's what they expected against Argentina. The French are under pressure and if Ireland can get under their skins in the first 10 minutes then the fickle French public will show their displeasure. It's going to be close thing and the game could go either way. I just hope that it's Irish eyes that are smiling when the final whistle goes.

  • 10.
  • At 11:03 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • carl laverty wrote:

i think this will be the cup finale match for both of thease teams, i hope ireland win but am unconvinced with the 2 previous performances, maybe they've taken a diff approach after the french defeat on the opening day but highly unlikely. the french had something to prove against namibia and did answer the critics, a loss for france would destroy the world cup, a loss for ireland would crush hopes of winning it. a good result for either team would throw them back in contention to be the winners of the competion.........c'mon the irish, good luck england in there game tomorow

  • 11.
  • At 11:06 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • ilyas wrote:

As much as I would like to believe you, even on a purely emotional basis, the French have more to lose, therefore will do that bit more if it came down to the wire.

If the match was against England - I would say Ireland would win. But France, no way. Facing Sebastian Chabal on a good day might be bad, imagine facing him when he's got his everything on the line!

  • 12.
  • At 11:08 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • wrote:

Good God, am I not looking forward to this evening. I'd love to think we can pull something out of the bag, but I just don't see it.

We have massive psychological problems when it comes to playing the French. Given our current disarray, I can't see that changing tonight.

We can but pray.

  • 13.
  • At 11:08 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Robin wrote:

Tend to agree with predicted winning margin. I think this Irish team peaked 12-18 months ago.

  • 14.
  • At 11:14 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Edward Kelly wrote:

I like your reasons for Eoin Reddan's inclusion. Even when he is on top of his game Stringer does give the opposition backrow forwards anything to think about and as such doesn't provide much space for O'Gara.

I have a feeling that seige mentality will be the most compelling reason for an Irish victory. And I think that rumor about O'Gara may just provide the spark required.

A sixth reason could be the amount of pressure on the French to perform. The parisian support is notoriously fickle and I think that French are a confidence team so if (a big IF) we can get the pressure on early the they are like to flop!!

Not too convinved myself!

Heres hoping!!!

  • 15.
  • At 11:21 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Dermot wrote:

I hate to say this as an Irish fan but the French will have Too much class for us this evening.Yes we have great players like BOD,ROG&POC but even these won't be able to transform our mediocre performances in the last 2 games into those spectacular performances against the Aussies&South Africa from last year.I hope i'm proved totally wrong but I'll still be screaming my lungs out cheering the lads on!!

  • 16.
  • At 11:28 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • wrote:

this is 2 all the players on the team u all a playin gud mor betta then lst yer > playin > keep it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! make us fans proud!!!!!!!!

  • 17.
  • At 11:31 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Paul Fleming wrote:

With D'Arcy and Trimble on top form I believe we will finally show the rst of the rugby nations what all the hype was about. O'Connell to neutralise Chabal and Reddan proving he his twice the player Stringer is, we will win.

  • 18.
  • At 11:32 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Dan (i wish i was in paris) wrote:

Mark my words, there will be as many Irish in the stadium tonight as French, and they won't like that one bit. Here's to the Green Army rocking Stade Francais to its foundations. Ireland to spark tonight and win by 6 points!

  • 19.
  • At 11:33 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • monkeyman wrote:

As an Irish supporter, I may have green tinted spectacles, however I do feel they have a chance but everything needs to click. particularly the following -
1. D'Arcy needs to perform as part of the much hyped best centre partnership. BOD was starting to show signs of form last time but his buddy was annonymous. He is normally one of the top ball carriers but not so far in france.
2. The back row - again a much talked about 'strength'. Leamy has been shocking and EOS continues to show blind faith in him, despite an absolute shocker against Georgia. If there was a more experience back up he would surely be dropped. Wallace coming back from injury and not yet at his best and Easterby under pressure for his place. These guys need to front up and justify their selection.
3. Scrummaging thus far has been OK but I fear for it tonight against stronger, more experienced opposition, particularly if Hayes is not 100%
4. POC - again underachieving. Does not yet have the presence of martin johnson as has been said on many occasions and often disappears during games
5. The X-factor - Eoin Reddan clearly has to take his chance - overdue, but if he can stamp his authority on this game he can claim the jersey for the next 5 years - no pressure then!
6. most importantly, they need to start well (for a change)and silence the fickle french crowd - a few big hits on chabal would certainly achieve this!

  • 20.
  • At 11:38 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Christian Kenny wrote:

I think the real question is what has caused this sudden loss of form for Ireland?
We were 60 seconds away from winnning the Grand Slam at Croke Park and then threw it away against the French. The confidence that has been missing ever since then is the reason for Ireland's lacksidaiscal performance so far in the World Cup.
The boys need to rediscover this confidence and remember that this team has a number of World Class performers who can dispose of 'Les Bleus' tonight.
A lot will rest on Eoin Reddan and his ability to both give good ball to the backs and keep the French forwards on the back foot using his pace and intelligence around the ruck.
Anything is possible tonight, beware the wounded Irish Pride!!
In Bo'D we Trust!!!

  • 21.
  • At 11:38 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Mark wrote:

No. 8: Two hearts? What are you, Doctor Who?? Regards the game, I can see it being incredibly tight up front and possibly French forwards winning that battle but our three-quarters are due a good game and what better time to produce!

Can someone please NAIL Vincent Clerc aswell? Even if we lose, just hit him hard for what he did to us at Croke!

For me, France to win unfortunately! We don't look anywhere near good enough and too many rumours of unrest in the camp to be all lies!

  • 22.
  • At 11:54 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Dicko wrote:

Best centre in the world?

  • 23.
  • At 11:56 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Cormac wrote:

Get stuck in Ireland. Win or lose I am sure you will do us proud!!!

  • 24.
  • At 11:56 AM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Larry wrote:

I love our optimism. I however think we will be well beaten by the French. Another false dawn.

  • 25.
  • At 12:00 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Parky wrote:

Its Irelands for the taking !

Get the basics right , let Reddan keep the French backrow honest by sniping here and there which will give ROG the extra half second to get the backline moving .

Big game required from 1-15 but then again the real pressure is on the Hostsand dont forget ?

" The Hopes of the French nation lie in the arms of a Caveman "

  • 26.
  • At 12:04 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • wrote:

In addition to Eoin, you may also bring in Frodo, the Elfs, the mighty Gandalf, Aragorn, Galadriel and for that matter the whole Fellowship if you are to beat the French.

Good luck, I am just asking for an intense and exciting match.

  • 27.
  • At 12:08 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • andy bale wrote:

Firstly, those are some fairly decent reasons why the expected result may not occur tonight in sunny france. As a blindly faithful Ireland fan I do belive that we can unseat any team in the world, although after the Georgia game I seriously thought our world cup was over there and then. Some strange decisions havent done much to change my mind either, Murhpy not even on the bench? c'mon.... The one thing that has given me hope again is the increased support from the fans which will arrive tonight in the stade de france by the bucketload. With this behind them, and the belief that they can go out and get some payback from the croke park debacle, I genuinely see BOD and the boys sticking it to them good and proper. Horgan to score first, Ireland to win by 7-10 points, French fans to skulk home crying. lets have it....

  • 28.
  • At 12:20 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Chopper wrote:

I've been looking forward to this game since before the 6N even started, september 21st has had a big red circle around it. That match in croke park was just a warm up.

This generation of Irish rugby players is hailed as (possibly) the greatest in Irish history. This match is the one that will answer that question once and for all.

Make no mistake, this match is the "Waterloo" of modern Irish rubgy. Every Irish rugby supporter and player knows it, and to think that the players won't be ready to put in another performance like the one against England ealier this year is ridiculous.

Watch out France.

  • 29.
  • At 12:23 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Lenny wrote:

Ireland 31-france 18, dont know why but i have been convinced of this since last saturday!! COME ON IRELAND

  • 30.
  • At 12:25 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Paddy wrote:

Anyone who is giving themselves ulcers over tonights result should relax a little. Even if Ireland loose to France we will still qualify in second place if we beat the argentinians with four tries and by more than 6 points (i.e. 5 tournament points for ireland and 0 for argentina).

This takes into account France getting 5 points against Ireland and Georgia and Argentina gaining 5 points against Namibia.

  • 31.
  • At 12:39 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • JJ wrote:

Ireland just needs to remind themselves of the inspired, solid and confident preparation they have enjoyed over the last twelve months.

Forget the wobbly start to your tournament, pull up your socks and play your way up to the semi final slot you deserve!

  • 32.
  • At 12:39 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • weenie wrote:

For all you worried Irish out there, here is somethign to cheer you (if only out of schadenfreude) ...

I was in France on Wednesday. My decorator lives in the same village as David Marty (and claims to know him!). Anyway, he is convinced that Ireland will win. He hates Laporte; Laporte - la porte! is his favourite saying (politely meaning they should show him the door). They have more to lose than you, so they feel even worse than you do right now.

BTW He told me the French team got paid huge sums for playing in the RWC, so maybe that is why they lack appetite! Does anyone know if this is true?

Personally I wanted Ireland to win the group, and France to come second so that we get to see France vs the 'Blacks in the quarters. This looks unlikely now, so I say good luck Ireland - win it now and win the group. I think this is possibly the biggest game for Ireland since ... oh yeah, since Croke park, so not so long eh! But still, a chance to go a long way in the world cup!

  • 33.
  • At 12:42 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Joe RYAN wrote:

Listening to French radio last night, one pundit reckons that Ireland and Italy are both under-performing because of their deep-freeze treatment in Poland. However, Patrick S茅bastien (President of Brive) believes that the Irish "fighting spirit" will upset the French. This was backed-up by Franck Mesnel, who thinks that Ireland did not want to hit peak form against two weak sides. The Irish World Cup train only gets on the rails tonight. After that, it's straight through to the final !!

  • 34.
  • At 12:43 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Ed wrote:

I can't even type I'm so nervous - getting any work done today will be impossible. Please, please, please, please give us a performance boys. If you're going to go down, make sure you play to your potential and "don't leave anything in the changing room" - then we'll be proud.
C'mon Ireland - we love you!!

  • 35.
  • At 12:57 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • keith wrote:

As a Welsh fan I would love to see Ireland winning, but that would mean France (the hosts) going out of the championship. It isn't going to happen guys:
1.The home crowd will influece the ref.
2.Irelands form isn't what it should be.
3. France have a much better players than Ireland.

Your only chance is to beat Argentina!!


  • 36.
  • At 01:01 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Chris wrote:

While enthusiastic Irish support and patriotism is all very well, it cannot mask the fact that an Irish victory this evening is little more than a distant dream. The Irish team are, unfortunately, chronic under- achievers. They peaked during the 07 six nations and could and should have clinched the grnad slam. All the evidence since suggests a team that ir rapidly ageing and in decline. The French will cruelly expose that tonight.

  • 37.
  • At 01:05 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Michael wrote:

Could someone please tell me what the French media have been saying about O'Gara?

As for the match, I still remember the silence and disbelief that descended upon Croke Park when France scored the winning try to deny us a Grand Slam. Please Ireland, just play some rugby!! Tear into them as if your life depends on it!! The French temperament may just let them down, especially if the crowd gets on their backs. Ireland by 4. I hope.

  • 38.
  • At 01:06 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • D Jenkins wrote:


Being welsh myself, i would love nothing better than for Ireland to turn france over tonight.
However, going on recent performances EOS will have to make some major changes tactics wise. The exclusion of stringer has not come soon enough in my view, he is too one dimensional and i think reddan will show why he is the better scrum half tonight.
As for BOD, he has a tendency to really bring out what is needed in the big games. Georgia managed to keep D'Arcy and him quiet for most of the game. But again, id put that down to Ronan o gara having an enormous amount of pressure put on him by stringer. This time though, Jauzion's absence could spell disaster..

Best to remember, whoever comes second in this group plays NZ in the quaters...

  • 39.
  • At 01:07 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • tom wrote:

Ed, will you calm yourself son.

Ire-Land, Ire-land, Ire-land!!

  • 40.
  • At 01:13 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • mytmello wrote:

If argentina beat Georgia and France win, is it still possible for Argentina to go out? (if they then lose to Ireland and the points go against them?)

  • 41.
  • At 01:18 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • patrick o'hanlon wrote:

sadly I think the boys in blue will sink the boys in green. some reasons . very poor form of ireland so far. comparison of performances against namibia . Home advantage to french. The sheer pace power and skill levels of the french compared to their irish counterparts at the moment.
The irish team is walking through this world cup in a trance. sadly I fear they are about to get a rude awakening.I feel so sorry particularly for brian o driscol (captain fantastic) as well as stringer and murphy.

  • 42.
  • At 01:19 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • dai wrote:

Come on Ireland, you can do it! (you better, you're in my sweep stake..)

  • 43.
  • At 01:28 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Bill wrote:

Ireland's play has been lacklustre and the French need this game. My guess is that, sadly, the French will thrash the Irish today. Sorry.

  • 44.
  • At 01:38 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Hutchy wrote:

I'm bricking it myself. But thinking back to POC and the Munster pack driving Chabal backwards right from the off in Thomond Park in the Heineken Cup gives me a bit of confidence. And for the love of god get Besty on the pitch please! the man's an animal! c'mon the boys!

  • 45.
  • At 01:38 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Cecilia wrote:

Don't bother about the result tonight as either Ireland or France will end up second in the group. Then the All Blacks will end up the short dream of both countries...Come on Argentina!!

  • 46.
  • At 01:45 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Iain wrote:

Re comment 16 from Naiem.

English (especially spoken with an Irish lilt) is a wonderful language, what language are you speaking please?
'More better' which school did you go to?

COME ON IRELAND!!

  • 47.
  • At 02:01 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Joe RYAN wrote:

I just hope that the weather turns a bit cooler before tonight. I was out at lunchtime and it is definitely warm. Not the sort of weather to put an Irishman outdoors. "Our" sort of weather will be down south: storms on both the Atlantic and Mediterranean coasts of the Pyrenees.

  • 48.
  • At 02:06 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • wrote:

Irish supporters can play this up as much as they want to but they know deep in their hearts that reland do not stand a chance.
Do not get too down on yourselves though, BOD is a good player and he will lead the rish to glory one day but not today.

  • 49.
  • At 02:08 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Alan Stewart wrote:

Please, please win Ireland! I am an Irishman living and working in an English council and until Friday daytime, I've managed to keep them (reasonably) quiet and calm, but if Ireland lose to France tonight, I'm in for a hell of a lot of abuse come Monday!

  • 50.
  • At 02:09 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Ciano wrote:

France are there for the taking. This Chabalmania tomfoolery is all that's on their minds right now. They're not thinking about whether they'll beat us or not, they're just think about whether they'll get the bonus point or not - this is great for Ireland. Bonjour! Enchant茅! I need wine for my children.

  • 51.
  • At 02:15 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Mark wrote:

To answer qualification queries...

-If we win, France are out and its between us and Arg for 1st and 2nd
-If we get a losing bonus point (presuming Arg get 5 v Namibia) we have to beat Argentina by more than 6 AND score 4 tries
-If we lose with no bonus point and Arg get 5 points v Namibia, we are out...unless we beat Argentina by a BIG score

  • 52.
  • At 02:24 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Con wrote:

Neil Best coming on for Leamy and whupping Chabal on Parisian soil.

G'wan the lads.

  • 53.
  • At 02:24 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Made_in_mars wrote:

Let the Force be with the 'Men in Blue'....I fancy France winning this evening...."Allez les Bleus....."

  • 54.
  • At 02:30 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • collie wrote:

Naw,your 5 reasons are really 2. Reddan and underdogs. The rest is spurious excuse straw clutching stuff. I am 40 today. I live in France. I am sick of being called English (simply because I am not). I would love us to stuff France and destroy their world cup. It wont happen though. I tend to agree they peaked last year. There is unrest in the camp. I see France with a home crowd recording their biggest win ever over Ireland. I am afraid we'll be hammered by 30 or 40 points. I hope not, but..............it's my birthday.

  • 55.
  • At 02:48 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Joe RYAN wrote:

to Alan Stewart : don't worry about abuse from the English. They'll be out of the competition after Saturday's defeat by Samoa (but that's another blog)

  • 56.
  • At 02:52 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Anthony wrote:

I'll give you another good reason, EOS's play book!!
Have you noticed that Ireland have not once used a new move off scrum or lineout other than ROG's try against Italy.
EOS took a major gamble in pre tournament & WC games 1 & 2 to use Ireland's superior fitness to beat opponents rather than give France & Argentina pre-sight of his special moves.
If we can secure 40% - 45% possession I see Ireland win by 10 points. I predict we will score a try from our first lineout / Scrum in the French 22. No need to wish our boys luck they won't need it. A

  • 57.
  • At 02:56 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Ifan wrote:

Six reasons France will win:

1. C
2. H
3. A
4. B
5. A
6. L

  • 58.
  • At 02:59 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Dano wrote:

Gooooo Ireland!!!
A win tonight will surely catapult Ireland into the Final, no doubt about it!
Now's the time to turn it around Lads, doooo it!!!!!!

  • 59.
  • At 03:06 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Olivier wrote:

Alan Stewart, don't worry about the risk of abuse, I reckon the English might be very quiet on Monday after the Samoa game...

  • 60.
  • At 03:12 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Russell wrote:

As a neutral I am really looking forward to the game tonight; the first game that really means something. However, the posturing on these blogs does smack of desperation and although I would like Ireland to win tonight I cant see it happening. Although stranger things have happened; Ryanair gave someone compensation once...

  • 61.
  • At 03:23 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Glenn wrote:

We need a Munster-style performance tonight. Many of you have highlighted what happened to Captain Caveman when he came to Limerick in 2005. Not only was he driven back 10 yards, do you guys remember what he did the next time he got the ball in open play after that? A chip and chase. A player like him, with his style, trying a chip and chase. That was it, good-night, lights out, game to Munster.

More of the same tonight, please.

  • 62.
  • At 03:27 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Tez wrote:

The team changes may help, but what Les Verts require is tons of passion, pride, belief and desire! That could just swing what should be a nerve wracking sweaty palm type of game (for the spectators)!

  • 63.
  • At 03:42 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • wrote:

It'll all come down to whether EOS has the tactical wit to be able to overturn & double-trump Laporte. Cos man for man, by any logic, France should win it.

There IS the motivation that we would qualify outright if we win... AND that there's no point coming 2nd in the group, just for a consolation meeting with the AB's to finish with.

All or nothing.

  • 64.
  • At 03:47 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Bobby H wrote:

As an Englishman I went last week in paris and all I can hope for is that Ireland at least turn up! With the exception of JR last week we were abysmal - first time i've ever left a match early. BUT an Englishman is going to influence tonights result - Chris White is in charge - He is the best ref in the world and wont be influenced by the local crowd. So my forecast is Ireland 20 France 18 - and who wouldn't love to see O'Gara dropping a goal with a minute to go - especially if he has put a bet on himslef to do it!

  • 65.
  • At 03:52 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Mi&U wrote:

Playing and watching rugby is a beautiful ting. Winning ain't so bad either but regardless I love my team and (let's face it) for such a tiny rugby playing nation our team always does us proud. Allez!

Standing Tall :)

  • 66.
  • At 03:55 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Oz the England Fan wrote:

Ireland to win, France to be knocked out. What a great start to the weekend that would be. Hardly matters what happens to us against Samoa after that as we won't be the only major team going home before the quarters. Ireland are the best hope the home nations have of doing anything half-decent at RWC07 so I'm behind them all the way.

  • 67.
  • At 04:01 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • wrote:

One BIG difference between Ireland and Argentina is that Argentina know how to beat France and have the best record vs France in France in the last 6 years. Also losing to Argentina should have done France a favour and hopefully they have leaned their lesson. It will close, definitely less than 5 points difference but our bench will make the difference tonight.

  • 68.
  • At 04:01 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Chris Jones wrote:

I'd be very surprised, and very disappointed if France don't win well tonight.
After the rubbish spouted by the Irish (media and team) about how well prepared they are, and how they're the 'dark horses' of the RWC it's great to see them fall flat on their face. Argentina should have done them in the warm up, but for an unbelievable 'try' in extra time, and Georgia nearly broke them.

I'm English and under no illusions as to how poor we are (or how much cr*p the England camp are speaking), but the Irish consistently delude themselves as something over than the 2nd rate team they really are. They've consistently performed below their words, and tonight is going to be yet another example of reality catching up with Irish fantasy.

Allez le Bleus!

  • 69.
  • At 04:10 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • stantheman wrote:

Group D permutations

To win the Group

Ireland have to win against France and Argentina.

To finish second

Beat France and lose to Argentina; lose to France with bonus point and beat Argentina denying them a bonus point; lose to France with a bonus point and beat Argentina with a bonus point, while also denying them a bonus point; lose to France with no bonus point and beat Argentina with a bonus point while denying them a bonus point.

n This is based on the current table and presuming Argentina beat Namibia with a bonus point.

  • 70.
  • At 04:10 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • JD wrote:

With an English REF, Welsh and Eng linesmen, we have a shout.

But I don't like Kaplan as the TMO.
If it comes down to him he never gives us a call.

C'mon

  • 71.
  • At 04:29 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • mr D wrote:

if EOS got the lads to play badly on purpose so we could whooooop the french and argies then he'll be a genius and we'll win the world cup. unfortunately the changes he has made would indicate that this is not the case. the fact that we didnt try against the georgians give me hope of an improved performance but i reckon that france will take us by at least 10 points.

  • 72.
  • At 04:35 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • gazza7h wrote:

Irish are winning, france
will have to watch the rest of the
world cup, they may not have proved
themselves, yet...

  • 73.
  • At 04:37 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • X wrote:

I wish I could have starved my kids for a few days and buy a ticket online. But my Mrs keeps a close eye on me. I knew, right from the 6 nations, that it was the must-have ticket, but I'm only distractingly interested in stadium rugby. I prefer the comfort of my home, where I can pee with the bathroom door open so that I don't miss a second of tonight's war. I'm sure lots of bloggers prefer to wet their pants (with all that pre-match liquid indulging)rather that missing 2 minutes of action. Come on, somebody honest out there?

  • 74.
  • At 04:37 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • laney wrote:

re: comment 57, Ifan
three reasons you're wrong
1.P
2.O
3.C
Allez les verts !

  • 75.
  • At 04:38 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • exileandy wrote:

I am hoping and praying that we will turn the French over. However i have seen nothing in our performances that inspire a great deal of confidence. In the last 6 nations we only put into great performances,; the stuffing of England and the try fest against Italy. The Key to this game will be the first 20 minutes if Ireland can prevent the French from building up a big lead then we may have a chance; if not then it is going to be a long and painful night and i feel a repeat of our shambolic world cup of 1999.
God i hope we can do. If we get beat, score 4 tries, [revent France from getting the bonus point and lose by 3 points and we will have 11 points going into the Argentina game. You never know, but we really need tonight is a huge performance full of passion and real desire. Come on Ireland - Shoulder To Shoulder

  • 76.
  • At 04:57 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • David wrote:

We need to get realistic, Ireland are not playing well, France had a slip up we have had a nightmare, my heart says Ireland but m head tells me France will win by a very comfortable scoreline.

  • 77.
  • At 05:15 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Larry Bowe wrote:

I am happy to just get an opportunity to see the game .....having forked out $30.00Cdn for pay-per-view here on the Pacific coast of Canada ....i will be wearing the Green and having a Pint of Guinness (sorry to say just a can)..a bit early at noon local time and depending on the first 15 minutes which is crucial and will be make or break in my humble opinion, i may be drowning my sorrows or celebrating!
Ireland by a short-head.... Ireland 20 France 18

  • 78.
  • At 05:32 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Tez wrote:

Chris, 68, I think there were others (than Irish team and media) who rated the team dark horses. Roll on the 6 Nations.

  • 79.
  • At 05:37 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Phil wrote:

France have to be favourites on recent performances, and by default they are probably going to win. Would be great to see Ireland do well though.

Reddan has been playing well for a while now, and can't help but wonder if he'd have got into the team more rapidly if he'd been playing for Leinster or Munster...

Shame we couldn't get him playing for England!

  • 80.
  • At 05:55 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Mike wrote:

Get rid of EOS's madness in failing to commit to the ruck along with some of his other cliche-ridden and outdated Plan "A"'s - he never has a Plan B!. The Irish bench, barring Best, is completely lacklustre.
Along with being the only country without their national flag and anthem, the Irish are also unique in this World Cup as being the only ones still employing "Ruck Inspectors".
And don't expect any favors on 50/50 decisions this time around (i.e. dodgy penalty try, touchdowns) especially with the prospect, however slight, of France being knocked out of their own World Cup.
A bonus point for IRL tonight and it's all down to getting four tries against Argentina. Not going to happen no matter how happy-clappy the Irelands Call set are. Book the flights home now and let these players back to their clubs for real rugby. Not perpetual training sessions and PR exercises.

  • 81.
  • At 06:43 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Jim from Croydon wrote:

Reason Six - the French Panic - they can be quite good at it.

I am on my knees praying

  • 82.
  • At 07:13 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Alan from Brisbane wrote:

France by 55 points

  • 83.
  • At 07:42 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Pete wrote:

Lets get real France are to good for Eddie's boys If France don't win by 10 - 15 points I'd be amazed.Ireland simply are not as good as their media has everyone believe.

  • 84.
  • At 09:27 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Andrew wrote:

Well dine, EOS. Trimble an inspired choice over Geordan Murphy. I suppose his absence on his wing for the French try means EOS will never pick him again for his betrayal of the cause.

  • 85.
  • At 09:46 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • peter jay mandeville wrote:

You might want to rethink that game, my Irish friends! Better luck next time. Good game though.

  • 86.
  • At 09:50 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • gottentheattitude wrote:

well, the only ones under any pressure here were the Irish. And now that pressure duplicates against the scaring Pumas. That's it, accept it.

  • 87.
  • At 09:58 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • Phildog wrote:

5 reasons why Ireland did not beat France:

1. O'Gara did not kick in the first half to give us any field position. Maybe ROG has been the problem, not Strings.

2. Trimble is a centre, not a wing.

3. Lack of Neil Best.

4. Trying to play champagne rugby without a platform upfront.

5. Eddie O'Sullivan

  • 88.
  • At 10:12 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • P Thomas wrote:

Five reasons to be optimistic but overlooked one reason to be pessimistic. The Irish team isn't good enough. End of.

  • 89.
  • At 10:57 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • wrote:

Could hacks please put the kibosh on this idea that Ireland play better as underdogs? Zinzan Brooke doesn't mention that we've always been underdogs against New Zealand - and lost every game against them! The reason we were underdogs tonight is because France are a better team and boy, did it show.

  • 90.
  • At 11:01 PM on 21 Sep 2007,
  • mohara wrote:

Well just finished watching the match.Typical Irish,big brave words before the match about putting this and that in the pot before trouncing France.They must have been smoking pot before the match.What a shambles!
Why don麓t they take a leaf out of the amateur gaa players book and play with pride,passion dedication and commitment.I wouldn麓t mind so much if our expectations hadn麓t been built up but it麓s hard to take when they don麓t even put up a fight.
I麓ve played and enjoyed both codes immensly(gaa and rugby) but as usual we as a country have been let down by the professionals.
Back to the game,better performance than the previous two games but still not enough. We let France get established and settled by giving away silly penalties and never put them under any sustained pressure even though they looked equally as nervous.With 10 mins to go and the match over as a contest EOS decides to bring on the "impact" subs.A blind man on a galloping horse has better vision.What was he playing at?
All in all a complete disaster.I for one won麓t be watching the Argentina match to save myself more suffering.Call me a fickle fan but I麓ve been let down once too often and although I麓m Irish to the core I can麓t take any more disappointments

  • 91.
  • At 09:19 PM on 23 Sep 2007,
  • Andrew wrote:

Ok.

Where are the 5 reasons???

Andrew

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