Ask Bearders # 158
Welcome to Ask Bearders, where statistician Bill Frindall answers your questions on all things cricket.
Below are Bill's responses to some of your questions posed at the end of his last column and if you have a question for Bill, leave it at the end of this blog entry. Please do include your country of residence - Bill loves to hear where all his correspondents are posting from.
Bill isn鈥檛 able to answer all of your questions, however. 大象传媒 Sport staff will choose a selection of them and send them to Bearders for him to answer.
Q: Has there ever been any Test match where there has been more than one hat-trick? Ian Blowers
Bearders' Answer: Yes, just one, at Old Trafford in the opening match of the 1912 Triangular Tournament, when Australian leg-spinner T.J. (Jimmy) Matthews took a hat-trick in each South African innings, achieving this unique double on the second day (28 May). Springbok wicket-keeper T.A. (Tommy) Ward, the final victim of both hat-tricks, was dismissed for a unique king pair. He later became the only Test cricketer to be accidentally electrocuted while working down a gold mine.
Q: Who was the first person ever to be awarded the Man of the Match award in Test cricket? Stuart
Bearders' Answer: That is a fascinating question and I only happen to know the answer because such awards were introduced in the match in which I made my debut for 鈥楾est Match Special.鈥 Those awards, sponsored by Horlicks, made their first appearance at the end of England鈥檚 opening Test of the 1966 series against West Indies at Old Trafford. Gary Sobers won the batting award for his 161 (he also won the batting award in the Second Test, followed by the batting and bowling awards in the Fourth), while off-spinner Lance Gibbs was given the bowling award for his ten wickets in the match.
Match awards, the brainchild of Gordon Ross, had been introduced three years earlier, on 1 May 1963, also at Old Trafford, at the start of the Gillette Knock-Out Competition when the first recipient was Lancashire鈥檚 Peter Marner.
Q: Was this year at The Oval the latest the County Championship has ever been decided? And where does Lancashire's chase come on the list of highest fourth innings totals? Dav James
Bearders' Answer: Yes, it was the latest by one day. Sussex retained the title when Surrey beat Lancashire at 6.01pm on 22 September, the final day of the 2007 season. The previous latest date for winning the Championship was 21 September, by Leicestershire in 1996.
Lancashire鈥檚 fourth innings total is not even in the top 20 list for all first-class cricket. The record is 654-5 by England v South Africa at Durban in March 1939. The Championship record is the 502-6 scored by Middlesex to beat Nottinghamshire at Trent Bridge in 1925.
Q: What is the most consecutive maidens bowled by anyone? James
Bearders' Answer: The record for six-ball overs in both Test and first-class cricket is 21 by R.G. (鈥楤apu鈥) Nadkarni for India against England at Madras in January 1964. A left-handed slow bowler, he could command an immaculate length and returned the astonishing analysis of 32 overs, 27 maidens, 5 runs and 0 wickets in the first innings when several of the England players were suffering from severe stomach problems. His sequence of 131 balls without conceding a run has been surpassed only by South African off-spinner Hugh Tayfield, who bowled 137 balls, including 16 eight-ball maidens, spread over both innings, against England at Durban in January 1957.
Q: I was wondering if you could settle an argument for me. I have just moved back from the US and was playing my last match for my cricket team in New Jersey against the historic Philadelphia Cricket Club. I was keeping and whipped off the bails to stump someone and was told by the umpire that he was not out because his foot was ON the line. My understanding of the law was that, if a batsman was on the line, then they were out. Was I right to feel more than a little aggrieved? Gavin Buck, London (previously Hoboken, USA)
Bearders' Answer: You should have felt VERY aggrieved, Gavin. The line is yours and, unless he had a part of his foot touching the ground within the popping crease, he was out. Law 29 states that 鈥榓 batsman shall be considered to be out of his ground unless his bat or some part of his person is grounded behind the popping crease at that end鈥.
Q: The Warwickshire and England all-rounder Alex Loudon recently retired from professional cricket to pursue a career in the city. In his only appearance for his country he was run out without facing a ball, having been in the middle for no more than a minute. Assuming Mr Loudon doesn't make an unlikely comeback to professional cricket, is this an unique record? Alex Holland
Bearders' Answer: Although Loudon was run out without facing a ball on his only international appearance, at Chester-le-Street on 24 June 2006, he did field throughout Sri Lanka鈥檚 42.2 overs in 177 minutes and bowled six wicketless overs for 36 runs. Two players, M.D. (Mark) Bailey of New Zealand and R.W. (Roger) Tolchard of England, appeared in limited-overs internationals without batting or bowling, although Tolchard did keep wicket.
The saddest international career of all was probably that of J.C.W. (Jack) MacBryan, whose solitary Test cap was gained against South Africa in 1924 when Manchester鈥檚 notorious weather permitted a grand total of 165 minutes of play. He remains the only Test cricketer never to have batted, bowled or dismissed anyone in the field.
Q: In the final moments of the 2005 Old Trafford Ashes Test, as Lee and McGrath were saving the game, Lee was looking to take the strike for the last over. He hit Flintoff's last ball towards the boundary and was hoping it would stop short of the rope so he could run a single; instead the ball reached the boundary. However, if it had stopped short, would it have been within the laws for a chasing English fielder to (rather unsportingly) kick or throw the ball to or over the rope producing a boundary and therefore keeping Lee off strike for the next over or would such an action be deemed overthrows? Ed Bolderston, Kenya
Bearders' Answer: Under Law 19 (6), Lee would have been credited with a boundary 4, plus any completed runs, plus the run in progress if the batsmen crossed before the deliberate act took place. It would not be considered an act of illegal fielding invoking penalty points. The respective ends for each batsman to assume would follow the criteria for overthrows. In this case, Lee would only have had to cross with his partner to retain the strike for the new over.
Q: Wilfred Rhodes batted at number 11 and opened for England during his long career, but did he manage every spot in between? Ray Lashley
Bearders' Answer: Yes, he did. The full tally of his batting positions for the 98 innings that produced 2325 runs, average 30.19, in 58 Tests is: No. 1- 4 times, 2 - 39, 3 - 1, 4 - 2, 5 鈥 3, 6 鈥 5, 7 鈥 11, 8 鈥 8, 9 鈥 2, 10 鈥 15, and 11 - 8.
Q: What are the highest scores at the fall of each wicket in first-class cricket? I guess 561 is the answer for wicket 1, and 1107 for wicket 10, but what about in between? Tim Gill
Bearders' Answer: Here is the current list of record scores at the fall of each wicket:-
Wkt Score Match Venue Season
1st 561 Karachi Whites (561-1d) v Quetta Karachi 1976-77
2nd 618 Delhi (637-3d) v Himachal Pradesh Delhi 1994-95
3rd 778 Maharashtra (826-4) v Kathiawar Poona 1948-49
4th 801 Maharashtra (826-4) v Kathiawar Poona 1948-49
5th 921 Sri Lanka (952-6d) v India Colombo 1997-98
6th 941 Hyderabad (944-6d) v Andhra Secunderabad 1993-94
7th 956 Victoria (1059) v Tasmania Melbourne 1922-23
8th 1043 Victoria (1107) v New South Wales Melbourne 1926-27
9th 1046 Victoria (1107) v New South Wales Melbourne 1926-27
10th 1107 Victoria (1107) v New South Wales Melbourne 1926-27
Q: Does Younis Ahmed hold the record for the longest gap between Test appearances? After playing in October 1969, he was then dropped until February 1987. Robert Boswell
Bearders' Answer: No, A.J. (John) Traicos holds that record with a break of 22 years 222 days between the last of his three Tests for South Africa and the first of his four for Zimbabwe. George Gunn of England is second with 17 years 316 days and Younis Ahmed is third with 17 years 111 days. The longest hiatus in terms of Test matches missed is 115 by England鈥檚 Martin Bicknell during an interlude of 10 years and 12 days.
Q: A few years ago, I saw a game where the batsmen edged the ball on to the helmet placed behind the keeper and the ball then went over the rope without bouncing. 11 runs were given and I was wondering if this is the correct application of the law. Is it classed as a legal delivery or an extra ball has to be bowled? Nick N., UK
Bearders' Answer: The ball becomes dead as soon as it hits a helmet belonging to the fielding side. Just five penalty runs should be awarded - Law 31(3). Unless it was a no-ball, no extra ball has to be bowled.
Q: Who was the English fast bowler who, after delivering the ball, suffered an awful injury to his knee? Tony Noble, England
Bearders' Answer: That was David (鈥楽yd鈥) Lawrence whose left knee cap split apart as he bowled during the Third Test against New Zealand at Wellington on 10 February 1992. That ended his international career but he did manage to play four first-class matches for Gloucestershire in 1997.
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My question for Bill is strange: The subject of the correction of scoring mistakes came up in discussion with colleagues recently, and we wondered if anyone can recall an instance of the scores as recorded by the scorers on the ground scoreboard at a test match being updated overnight for an error? Unfortunately I have no more to go on than this. I hope you can help!
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In the 2nd test match between Australia and Sri Lanka Fernando was run out for 2 off just 1 ball, I can not believe this is a very common occurance in test matches, where a player has been run out going for a 3rd run off the first delivery he's faced. Is this the only occurence and if not has there ever been an innings where a batsman has been out for 3 from facing a single delivery.
Dean Fairchild (Gibraltar)
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who has scored the most runs ever when you add their test odi county and 20/20 runs togther
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yes i do the 3rd ashes test match when rudi kortsen forget to add 1 run for a no ball no ball agianst stven harmison so the scorers did not no a no ball had been occured until he realised the score was wrong the next day and the score was correctly changed
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In the second test between Sri Lanka and Australia two batsmen of the same surname, Mahela & Prasanna Jayawardene, were both dismissed for golden ducks in the same innings. Has there ever been another case of this in any tests or first class cricket? Or even two players of the same surname dismissed for ducks in the same innings?
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The chances are that Ravi Bopara will make his test debut sooner rather than later. When this happens, will he be the first player born in the London Borough of Newham to represent England in test cricket?
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Note to Bill - the fourth wicket your answer to Tim Gill is out of date, as mentioned on the blog the record is now 878 by Queensland (900/6 dec.) vs Victoria in the 2005-06 Pura Cup final.
Note to 大象传媒 staff - evidently my suggestion last time that only questions which the rest of us had failed to answer be passed on to Bill, in order for him to demonstrate his superiority to us mere mortals in this respect, wasn't taken up - Bill successfully answered the questions regarding man of the match awards and non-participation in the course of a Test "career", but most of the rest had already been answered.
1. Stephen - as Craig mentions, this happened in the 2005 Ashes series; Bill has also, on two occasions, pointed out a no-ball which the official scorers missed. Also, bear in mind that the official records of the match are the two scorebooks and not the scoreboard(s), and it can sometimes be the case that the books are right and the board is wrong - probably the most notable instance of this was the 1958-59 Quaid-e-Azam Trophy semi-final between Karachi and Bahawalpur. The scoreboard showed Hanif Mohammad 496 not out with two balls of the day remaining so, by his own account, he intended to hit each for two to reach 500. He was run out attempting the first of them, and returned to the pavilion believing that he had made 497 - only to be told by the scorers that the board had been wrong and that his score was in fact 499. Apparently he still blames the scoreboard operators, insisting that had he known his actual score he would have adopted different tactics...
2. Dean - I saw this happen in a school match once (lovely people that we were, we all had a good laugh at the victim), I doubt it's happened that often in Tests though.
3. Craig - Wisden ran an article on this sometime in the 1990s, reporting that Graham Gooch had just overtaken Jack Hobbs at the top of the list of combined first-class and List A (ODIs and domestic one day matches); of course Hobbs never played one day matches and neither of them played Twenty20. Gooch finished with 67,057 runs (44,846 first-class, 22,211 one day) to Hobbs's 61,760 (give or take a few, since there's some dispute as to whether certain matches in which he played should counted as first-class). Of current players, Graeme Hick has recently also passed Hobbs and now has 63,233 (40,423 first-class, 21,881 one day, 929 Twenty20). Whether he'll keep playing long enough to overtake Gooch is something only he knows.
5. Tom - the same question occurred to me! So many sets of brothers have played first-class and Test cricket that I'd imagine there must be numerous instances of two of them making a duck in the same innings, but unrelated players with the same surname are rarer. The only recent pair I can think of is Geraint and Simon Jones, and they never did so because Geraint only made two Test ducks, they came in the same match and Simon wasn't playing.
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[7] Run out for 2 off the first ball faced... this is irresistible.
"Glamorganshire (sic) v Worcestershire (1947)
...Perks bowled the first ball to Davies, and a roar of applause which would have signalled a fifty at least on any other ground, greeted Emrys Davies having played the ball away on the off side wide of the immediate fieldsman. The batsmen ran two, and the drama was on - 'Come for the third, Laertes, you do but dally' - they started for the third and Hamlet-Davies was run out. Glamorgan 2 for 1 wicket."
Only one man ever wrote about cricket like that.
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Repeating my question from #157 as I don't have much hope of getting an answer from elsewhere :
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Parthiv Patel and Mushfiqur Rahim are two of the shortest cricketers from the modern times and are possible candidates for the shortest Test cricketers of all time (Tich Freeman was 5'2" and there are one or two others at 5'3").
How tall were they when they made their Test debut in 2002 and 2005 (2002 Playfair does not include Patel, and I don't have the 2005 edition) ?
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Hello Bill
Could you tell me how many double hundreds Graeme Hick has scored and where he stands in the all time record of double centurions.And also
has he ever scored a triple hundred.
I know his highest is 405.
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Hi Bill,
Dale Steyn has just completed two successive 10 wicket hauls in test matches , can you tell me the other members of this illustrious club please ?
Thanks Pete Roberts
Cape Town
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when was the last time Australia faced a whitewash ina home test series?
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As per recently introduced law, a free hit is awarded against a no ball.If the delivery(free hit delivery) which is bowled for free hit is again "No ball" ,whether another free hit will be awarded
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Question 9 VIDHYA
Well I remembered from my searching for fathers and sons playing together that William Quaife (ENG 1920s) was also short, the only information I could find was;
"He was also one of the smallest Test cricketers. His exact height was never confirmed - even his son was unsure - but most contemporaries put it between 5" 2' and 5" 5'."
BAN website suggests Rahim is "nearly" 5 foot! see the notes at the bottom of
Question 10 PETER
Hick is equal 5th in a list of all time double centurians, the top 16 read
Bradman (37)
Hammond (36)
Hendred (22)
Sutcliffe (17)
Hick&Hobbs&Fry (16)
Greenidge&Ranjitsinji (14)
Grace&Mead&Gooch&Ponsford&Ramprakash
&Lara&Tyldesley (13)
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in the recent odi series between rsa & pakistan dale steyn took 4/43 and makhaya ntini 4/61 (i think), but ntini was awarded man of the match. that doesn't add up surely?
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Fred Grace (WG's brother)might be the unluckiest cricketer ever In his only Test Match he scored a duck in each innings and died a week later of consumption. Graham Hick certainly does have a triple hundred and together with Bill Ponsford and Brian Lara is the only batsman to have scored hundreds, double hundreds, triple hundred and quadruple hundred. Lara of course had a quintuple as well. Any predictions on who will get the first sextuple ? - could be more enjoyable !
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I did ask this before but don't recall getting an answer. Why are the numbers of English players now in the 600's when other countries are much lower. Surely there haven't been so many more English players, have there?
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Dear Bill
What is the highest team total where no individual batsman has scored a century?
Nick Hatton
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Bill,
A "cricket in literature" question for you!
In the book "Flashman's Lady" (by George MacDonald Fraser) Flashman plays cricket for Rugby Old Boys against a team including Fuller Pilch at Lords (some time in 1842) and takes a hat-trick.
The Flashman series is outstandingly researched so given that Flashy is a fictional character but many of the events he takes part in are real did this match actually occur and did anyone take a hat-trick in the game?
Keep up the good work, here's hoping for a better winter tour than the first day seems to have provided.
Dan
Monaco
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Stephen - it happened during the 2005 Ashes series... Can't remember exactly which match though - sorry!
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Didn't Bradman score single, double, triple and quadruple centuries too?
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With regard the question about the ball hitting a helmet you state "The ball becomes dead as soon as it hits a helmet belonging to the fielding side" surely this does not include one being worn by a close fielder.
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Hi Bill,
As per the rules 鈥渢he substitute runner shall wear external protective equipment equivalent to that worn by the batsman for whom he runs and shall carry a bat.鈥 What is the rule if the injured player is the only left-hander (or for that matter right-hander) batman in the team and there is no other left-hander to substitute for him?
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Sir
Few of us friends are running a blog to find out who knows the game better and I am now stuck with one hurdle -
What cricket law remains unchanged since its inception?
PLEASE HELP!
Mick
VA, USA
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Sir
Few of us friends are running a blog to find out who knows the game better and I am now stuck with one hurdle -
What cricket law remains unchanged since its inception?
PLEASE HELP!
Mick
VA, USA
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Sir
Few of us friends are running a blog to find out who knows the game better and I am now stuck with one hurdle -
What cricket law remains unchanged since its inception?
PLEASE HELP!
Mick
VA, USA
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question 17 J HAYES
yes indeed there have been 632 ENG test players, from Robert Abel to Richard Young (alphabetically)
the whole list, be careful it takes a while to load, is here
question 23 ANIKET
from my answer in blog 157 post 99 (is this another case of needing a forum not a blog?)
i don't see the problem, no umpire would mind over left or right handed batting gloves (or even pads) AND if they did the substitute right handed batsman could wear left handed gloves (pads) anyway, he's not going to use them!
i suppose in a small team there might only be one pair of left gloves, but as i said why should the umpire complain as long as he had gloves, left or right (if he did we could make the same argument for MAKES of gloves/pads/bats...is a GW bat the same as a DF?)
the point of the law is that the runner is equiped to bat, thats all
question 21 ANTONY
yup you are right, Bradman, Hick, Lara and Ponsford have a single, double, triple and quadruple hundred in first class cricket (although any of the other 4 quadruple hundred scorers could, i suppose claim to have also scored 300, or in H Mohammad's case 200, as he has a 300)
question 18 NICK
the highest first class score without a century is 605, Madhya Pradesh vs Haryana, in 1999
Madhya batted first and scored the 605, the highest individual score being 90, and no batsman scoring less than 21, and including 6 partnerships of 50 or more. Pradesh were then bowled out twice, for 299 and 282
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Which county has won the most games (all time)?
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What does "One yard faster" mean please?
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Hi Bill,
As per the rules 鈥渢he substitute runner shall wear external protective equipment equivalent to that worn by the batsman for whom he runs and shall carry a bat.鈥 What is the rule if the injured player is the only left-hander (or for that matter right-hander) batman in the team and there is no other left-hander to substitute for him?
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Hi
What is the highest 50 over ODI indavidual player score, and also, who holds it?
Thanks
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Hi Bill,
Is it true that the cricket laws will be changed to not count the excess runs scored in the winning shot?
For example, as of now, if a 4 is hit with a team needing only 1 run to win, all 4 runs are counted for the team and the batsman. Is this going to change in the near future to count only the 1 run? If yes, when will this take effect?
Shankar,
Chennai, India.
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Re #17
The reason England have so many more players is not only that they have played more Tests than any other country, but also that, in the early part fo the 20th century, it was commonplace to send second-choice teams on tours to India, West Indies and New Zealand, who wouldn't have been competitive against a full strength XI. This was taken to the extreme in January and February 1930, when England were playing 2 Test matches (in West Indies and New Zealand) at the same time.
This sort of policy allowed many players to gain Test caps who would not otherwise have done so, thus explaining the large numbers on the shirts or Vaughan, Pietersen etc today.
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Hi Bill,
Could you provide some statistics to either prove or disprove the theory that overall test match run rates have increased and the proportion of draws have decreased - say, over the last ten years and compared to prior decades also?
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Hi
If a batsman is (like Alex Loudon) without ever facing a ball, is there a name for this? It must be some kind of a duck, I guess.
Cheers,
Jeppe Lisdorf
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What is the longest gap between test debut and taking your first wicket? Does Ryan Sidebottom's gap come anywhere close?
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what is D/L method?
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I know I must be being exceptionally dim but how can a bowler bowl an eight ball maiden?
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#37: the D/L method is a way of calculating scores that would have been achieved by teams during a rain affected match based upon the no. of overs and wickets the team has left at their disposal.
#38: the 8 ball over was introduced for a while some time ago instead of the 6 ball over. Bill has made reference to it in the past fe4w months, I'm sure a little searching of his previous blogs will give you a more detailed explanation as to why this form was adopted for a while.
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Answer to 38
An eight ball maiden would have been bowled before 6 ball overs were introduced.
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Jeppe - may I suggest an albatross, after the Ancient Mariner who was condemned to wander forever with an albatross around his neck?
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8. Innocent Abroad - "Only one man ever wrote about cricket like that.". I'm not as well versed in cricket writing as you evidently are, but would I be correct in thinking that you're referring to Neville Cardus?
10. Peter - for the record, Graeme Hick has made one FC triple century other than the 405*: 303* for Worcestershire vs Hampshire at Southampton in 1997. I'm not absolutely sure of this but I think the only batsmen with more than two scores of over 300 in their careers are WG Grace, Hammond and Lara (three each), Ponsford (four) and Bradman (six).
11. Pete - I can't name all the others with two successive ten wicket hauls, but I can tell you that's not the record: Muttiah Muralitharan has taken three (another one I'm not sure of - I think it might even have been four).
12. Graham - Australia have never been whitewashed in a home series of three or more matches, and only once in one of two matches: by England in 1886-87.
13. Santonu - yes.
15. Stan - I assume you're referring to the 5th ODI at Lahore, where Ntini took 4/61 and was named MoM ahead of Albie Morkel (4/44). Most probably the reason was that Ntini's victims were all recognised batsmen, whereas three of Morkel's were tailenders.
16. Paul - I'd expect a sextuple hundred would be fairly boring to watch actually, unless it was by Nathan Astle and he tried to get there in 300 balls or something.
19. Dan - I've checked the list of first-class matches in 1842 and there isn't one involving any Rugby side. It might have taken place but not been first-class though, I couldn't say.
22. Bob - no, that referred to a helmet on the ground. The ball becomes dead if it lodges in any part of a fielder's clothing or protective equipment, but not if it just hits the helmet and bounces off.
24. Mick - at a guess, if the ball hits the stumps, the bails fall off and it's not a no ball, then the batsman is out?
29. Peter - one ball being a yard faster than another means that it reaches the batsman a yard in front, i.e. it travels 22 yards in the time it takes the other to travel 21.
31. Lloyd - it's 194, by Saeed Anwar; this is the record for any ODI, since in the days when an innings lasted 60 overs, scoring rates tended to be rather slower than they are nowadays.
32. Shankar - the law which is in place at the moment, and which there are no plans to change, is that the match ends when the winning run(s) is/are scored. So if a team needs 1 to win, the striker hits the ball to the boundary and both batsmen stand still, the winning runs are scored only when the ball reaches the boundary, so all four count (or all six if it clears the boundary). If the striker hits the ball, the batsmen run and complete the first run before the ball reaches the boundary, the game is over immediately so whether or not the ball then crosses the boundary is irrelevant. If the ball is a no ball, then no runs scored off it count, since the game is over as soon as the umpire calls "no ball".
34. Jason - I'm not going to crunch all the run rates, but here are the statistics for draws:
2007 (thus far, not including the one currently in progress): 23 Tests, 5 draws (22%)
1997: 44 Tests, 21 draws (48%)
1987: 25 Tests, 16 draws (64%)
1977: 23 Tests, 7 draws (30%)
So yes, the proportion of draws has decreased.
37. Fawal - D/L stands for Duckworth/Lewis, the two people who devised it. It's a method of calculating a revised target for the team batting second in a one-day match if their innings has been shortened by rain/bad light etc. It's based on the idea that the simple method of just calculating the target based on the run-rate of the team batting first is unfair, because it fails to take into account the number of wickets the team batting second had in hand at the time of the interruption: obviously it is much easier to score 100 off 10 overs with ten wickets in hand than it is to score 500 off 50 overs with ten wickets in hand, for example. They used data from all the ODIs played up to that point to calculate what proportion of a team's total "scoring resources" a particular number of overs remaining and wickets in hand constituted i.e. if a team reached that stage of the innings with that many wickets in hand, what proportion of their innings total they would, on average, score after that point. For instance, a team which has six wickets in hand after 30 overs might expect to score 50% of its total runs after that point (I've no idea if that's accurate). If time is then lost, the same figure is calculated for the point at which the innings now stands (so if ten overs are lost, the team still has six wickets in hand and ten overs remaining, and might be expected to score, say, 35% of its total runs after that point). Subtracting the second figure from the first gives the proportion of the team's "scoring resources" which has been lost (15% in this case), so that's how much the target is reduced by. Obviously if the calculation was based solely on run rate the target would be reduced by 20%, so Duckworth/Lewis gives a different (and, arguably, fairer) target.
And my own question鈥 if a wicket-keeper's average is calculated as the number of byes and leg byes conceded divided by the number of dismissals, which keeper has the best?
Michael (in Strasbourg)
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Bill, can you tell me how many Kent wicket keepers have played for England and who they were?
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This has to be on everybody鈥檚 mind today...
If a batsman jumps to avoid being hit by the ball (thrown by a fielder of the opposing side) and is thus in the air when the ball hits the wicket is he out?
And if this is the case, what happens if he doesn鈥檛 jump and is hit by the ball鈥 thus stopping the ball from hitting the wicket?
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Hi Bill,
The overnight report on the India Pakistan game contained the following description of a run out...
But, sprinting for an easy single after a shot into the covers that would have brought him his 83rd run, Misbah leapt to avoid the throw from Karthik.
He was a yard beyond the crease, but a couple of feet in the air, when Karthik's direct hit broke the stumps.
I thought that if you had made your ground that you could then leave it to avoid injury from an incoming throw, or had Karthik not grounded himself or his bat - if so he should take up long jump!
Best wishes,
Charles
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Hello Bearders,
This question concerns the highest ever recorded score in a "proper" cricket match. I have been reading a book about WWI, which claims that Captain AEJ Collins, who was killed in 1914 aged 29, scored 628 not out in a house match at Clifton College in 1899. Do you know of a larger, authenticated score?
Interestingly, also a pupil at Clifton College was Sir Henry Newbolt, who wrote the definitive cricketing poem: "there's a breathless hush in the close tonight...."
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Bill, I wonder if you can set me straight on a piece of cricketing folklore.
Whilst a student at Jesus College, University of Cambridge, I was informed on many occasions of the legend that whilst at the college Ted Dexter, (an alumnus of Jesus), hit the chapel in playing a shot during a cricket match. At this point, (presumably between 1956 and 1958), the wicket would have been facing the chapel. I estimate this distance at about 140yards, which seems rather large for a striahgt(ish) drive. Do you know whether this legend is true? It would settle many an argument of the plausability of such an occurence, which is brought up every summertime.
Many thanks,
Tim
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Good evening Bill,
When bowling, in order to change the angle of delivery, I occasionally bowl wide of the crease. However, I always get no-balled for planting my back foot on the return crease as I release the ball. I recently saw Tanvir Sohail (whom sadly my bowling action bears most similarity to)do a similar thing whilst bowling a legitimate delivery against India.
What are the MCC Laws regarding where a bowler can plant his feet during the delivery action?
Regards.
Jimmy
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Dear Bearders,
Can you tell me when, and by whom, the tradition of throwing the ball in the air after the taking of a catch started?
And can you offer any anecdotes for when this may have 'backfired' on a player or his unfortunate team mate?
Harry, Bristol.
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Jeppe,
In my team a runout without facing a ball is known as a platinum duck (a golden duck being first ball...) One poor soul recently suffered this fate twice in successive indoor games (where it is a bit of an occupational hazard)
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In the First Test in the recent India v. Pakistan series, Sachin Tendulkar had the same bowling figures for both the first and the second innings of the match. Who's the bowler who has the most wickets while having the same figures for both the first and the second innings?
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Re 42/43
If a batsman LEAVES his ground to avoid injury (i.e. to avoid getting hit by the ball or a fielder) then he shouldn't be given run out. However, in the India v Pakistan game, Misbah didn't make his ground (and so couldn't leave it) before jumping to avoid the ball.
Providing the batsman did not intentionally get in the way, no action is taken if the ball hits either batsman while they're running.
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43. Martin - I can give you Les Ames, Godfrey Evans and Allan Knott for starters, probably Bill could add a few more to that list.
46. Mike - Collins's score is generally accepted as the record for a proper match. There have only been five other scores of over 500: 566, CJ Eady, Break o'Day vs Wellington at Hobart, 1902 [under the current laws Eady would have scored 579, since he cleared the boundary 13 times but they only counted for five each at the time]; 515, DR Havewalla, BB&CI Railways vs St Xaviers at Bombay in 1934; 506*, JC Sharp, Melbourne Grammar School vs Geelong College at Melbourne in 1915; 502*, Chaman Lal, Mahendra College vs Government College at Patiala in 1957; and, obviously, Brian Lara in a first-class match.
47. Tim - according to Cricinfo "The Rev. W. Fellows, while at practice on the Christ Church ground at Oxford in 1856, drove a ball bowled by Charles Rogers 175 yards from hit to pitch", so a distance of 140 yards in a match isn't out of the question. A survey of some leading players a few years ago came to the general consensus that the biggest hit seen in recent years came in the second Australia vs New Zealand Test in 1997, when Mark Waugh hit Daniel Vettori out of the WACA. Obviously it's tricky to tell how far a hit might otherwise have carried when a stand gets in the way. For a marketing stunt prior to the 2005 Ashes, Kevin Pietersen attempted to hit a ball over the Thames (148 yards at that point) and fell short by some distance.
48. Jimmy - the relevant Law (24.5) runs thus:
" Fair delivery - the feet
For a delivery to be fair in respect of the feet, in the delivery stride
(i) the bowler's back foot must land within and not touching the return crease.
(ii) the bowler's front foot must land with some part of the foot, whether grounded or raised, behind the popping crease."
49. Harry - I think it's been going at least 13 years (which is as long as I've been following cricket), and yes, it has backfired numerous times - most famously in the 1999 World Cup Super Six match between Australia and South Africa, when Herschelle Gibbs initially held a catch from Steve Waugh then it slipped out of his hand when he attempted to throw it in the air, and Waugh supposedly told him he'd dropped the World Cup (though he denies having said anything of the sort).
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I disagree. I think Nathanial Rogers scored 626 for Hampshire V Somerset in the 50s. My grandfather always goes on about it because it was a windy day and everyone had hats on.
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42 answering 32: the game ends as soon as the decisive event occurs. OK: 1 to win, 9 wickets down. The ball is hit into the air, the batsmen complete 1 run. Then the ball is caught. Who wins?
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[55] That would surely be a tie - the ball is in play till it's dead, and no runs can be scored from a delivery off which a batsman's caught out.
[43][53] Didn't Paul Downton start at Kent and play for England while still there? And then there's G.O. Jones, who did actually play in a series in which England won the Ashes not so long ago...
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Hi Bill
Has any side in a single innings lost all 10wickets by the same mode of dismissal?
Thnaks
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answer 54 John Wallis
as far as i can seen no Nathaniel (or Nathanial) Rogers ever played first class cricket for anybody, but HAMPs did have a NEVILLE Rogers playing in the 50s, however his highest score was 186 made against GLOUC
in fact against Somerset his highest score was 125NO, and total runs were 1011
for all high scoring innings look here (minor cricket)
and here (1st class)
you'll see only 6 totals higher than 500, the same as Michael Jones said
Hampshire's highest individual score is 316 in 1937 by RH Moore
(is your grandfather thinking about a full team total?, but even a team innings higher than 400 doesn't exist against somerset in the 1940s and 50s)
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When and between whom was the first test match played.
Also who scored the first run in Test Cricket.
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Hi,
Can you provide a list of Left Arm Leg spinners in the history of international cricket? Can you also comment as to why we dont see more of this breed?
Kaizer
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question 57 Gareth
in tests there have been 52 instances of all out caught, the last being 3rd test of SA vs PAK Jan 2007
bowled, in tests, is only 9 batters, LBW 7, Run Out 4 and Stumped 5...that however is for tests, i haven't checked 1st class
question 59 Tarun
the first TEST was AUS vs ENG on the 15th March 1877, in Melbourne
the AUS openers, C.Bannerman or NFD Thomson therefore scored the first run, (however as Thomson was out for one, off the bowling of the second bowler it is likelier that Bannerman scored first, and he certainly went on to score the first test century)
However international cricket existed before this, the first recognised international was USA vs Canada starting on 25th Sept, 1844 in New York, D.Winckworth scored the first run in this game, for Canada
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Q: IN your answer to the question "Has there ever been any Test match where there has been more than one hat-trick?" you point out that T.A. Ward, the victim of both hat-tricks, later became the only Test cricketer to be accidentally electrocuted while working down a gold mine.
How many Test cricketers have been deliberately electrocuted while working down a gold mine ?
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56. Innocent - I knew I'd missed some... Paul Downton made his ODI debut while playing for Kent but didn't play a Test until after he'd moved to Middlesex.
57. Gareth - there's only been one instance in a FC match of all ten dismissals in an innings being identical: when John Wisden took all ten for North vs South, and they were all bowled. There have probably been numerous instances of every batsman being bowled (but not all by the same bowler) since in the 19th century being bowled was much more common (and caught much rarer) than nowadays. The record for LBWs in a FC innings is 8, stumpings 6. The most catches in an innings by one player is 8 (two keepers have made 9 dismissals in an innings but each included at least one stumping).
59. Taurun - I'm fairly sure it was Bannerman who scored the first run. I think I recall from somewhere that Test status was only applied to that match retrospectively, when it took place it was billed as "Combined Victoria and New South Wales XI" or something. Not sure when the first Test to be considered such at the time was.
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Two other candidates for saddest test career: first, Andy Lloyd, who batted respectably for half an hour on debut against the fearsome Windies of 1984 before being hit on the head by a Malcolm Marshall bouncer. He was helped from the field and never played for England again.
Secondly, Gavin Hamilton, the allrounder, who after a promising effort in the 1999 WC for Scotland played one test for England in South Africa. His return was no wickets, runs or catches.
I suspect both Messers Lloyd and Hamilton would swap their careers for the one Bill mentions!
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Bill, I have a question regarding the status of matches.
I agree with you 100% that the failed ROW team v Australia 'supertest' should never have been given test status, nor should the Packer games be given it retrospectively, as some have occasionally argued. Same for all the tiresome ODI exhibition matches.
The situation is not always so clear, however. In the very early 1980s, there was a debate in Wisden over the status of several of WG Grace's recorded first class hundreds. A statistician produced fairly compelling evidence that, even by the standards of the day, they were not made in first class matches and thus WG's total should be revised down.
John Woodcock, the then editor, robustly disagreed. He pointed out that they had been accepted as first class for more than a century and felt that tradition and sentiment should hold against pedantry.
I agree with Woodcock. Am I being inconsistent, however? And where does your august self stand on the issue?
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Bill
Quick question. I have been trying to work out for years why Pakistan persist with Mohammed Sami. After 31 tests he takes his wickets at almost 50. Please can you let me know if anyone who has bowled at least as many deliveries, 6444, has a worse average.
Thanks
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question 66 Tim Taylor
no, nobody wosre with that many balls, but more than 3000 balls and still active there is
Tendulkar (51.02 after 3740 balls)
Baisya (59.36 after 3376)
however already retired the worst is GW Flower (61.48 after 3378),
but the closest to Sami bowling more balls was Carl Hooper (49.43 after 13794)
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Is it true that during the 1930's England actually played two test matches at the same time (against West Indies and New Zealand I think), what were the teams, scores and results.
Thanks
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Also meriting a mention is Ian Salisbury - the worst average of anyone with at least 20 wickets (2492 balls, 76.95).
62. Adrian - I don't know of any, but given that there have been 2,509 Test cricketers to date and at a guess probably at least 1,000 or so of them are now dead, I can't say that I know the cause of death in every case...
65. James - there's a slight difference here, in that the status of a match as first-class/list A (or not) is determined by the standard of the two teams (as well, of course, as other criteria such as the number of players, thus ruling out the silly 16-a-side warm-up matches which are arranged these days to give everyone in the squad a chance to get on the field), not by their composition i.e. a first-class team could comprise players from the same county/state/province, but need not necessarily. Some of the first-class matches held in the 19th century (eg Smokers vs Non-Smokers) might seem a bit odd to us, but they featured the best players of the time so they were considered first-class. The status of a match as Test/ODI (or not) is determined by the composition, not the standard (if it were, the Test status of numerous recent matches involving Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, and possibly earlier ones involving other countries in their fledgling days in international cricket, could well be called into doubt). With the curious exceptions of England, which isn't a country but has traditionally played Test cricket under that name despite often including Welsh, and occasionally Scottish or Irish players, and West Indies, which is a group of countries which have traditionally played Tests under the same banner, a Test or ODI team should (unless the ICC decides to conveniently overlook its own rules for the purposes of getting a bit of extra attention for its pathetic idea) represent a country, so what should or shouldn't be considered a Test is generally more clear-cut than what should or shouldn't be considered a first-class match. I also agree with Woodcock that, if a particular match has long been classified as first-class, it should stay that way. Otherwise, is someone just going to go through all the records and cross off any matches in which one or both teams were considered not to be of first-class standard? The Dera Ismail Khan team which lost a match by an innings and 851 clearly can't have been up to very much, but as far as I know no-one has suggested stripping that match of its first-class status solely for that reason.
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I think England play New Zealand 19 times from February without playing another international team in between. Is this a record?
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Bill,
I am writing this on the day that Murali broke Shane Warne's test wickets record. Whilst Murali's achievements are undoubtedly very impressive, and he seems certain to go on taking wickets for some time to come, I can't help feeling that Warne will still be viewed as the greater cricketer when the 2 men have both retired. I definitely get this impression from the people I talk to and the people in the media that I listen to.
Could you give us a breakdown of their careers up to the point when Murali broke the record, that will show us how many overs each man took to get to 708, how many of those overs were bowled on sub-continental, turning pitches and how many were bowled against, what can be considered to be, the top test playing nations?
Hopefully this will enable us to make a more informed judgement on who has been the greater player.
Many thanks,
Nick Powell
England
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I notice that Mohammad Sami, as of completed test #1850 has now sent down 67 luck less overs (at least 402 deliveries) since his last test wicket. Has any other 'specialist bowler' suffered a spell in his career so dry as Sami's ?
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What is the lowest score upon which a test match wicket has yet to fall?
John Cooper
UK
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This could be a very hard question, but I'm hoping you can answer it.
I need to know which batsman has hit the most 5's in test cricket.
I realise most cricket stats databases don't keep this sort of stat, but I still need to know.
I'm hoping you can help me out.
By the way, from one bearded man to another, nice beard.
Chris
Australia
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Warriors bowler Mario Olivier took 10/65 in a recent Supersport series match in South Africa against the Eagles however his team went on to lose the match by 10 wickets.
He therefore got all the Eagles wickets that fell during the match. How often has that happened in a completed match?
Henry
Glasgow
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I believe Old Trafford is the only English Test ground to have the pavilion square to the wicket, rather than behind the bowler at one end. How many international grounds around the world share this property, and is it unique within the Test arena?
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Yuvraj and Ganguly helped India recover at Bangalore from 61/4 by putting on 300. This must be one of the rare instances of a 300-run partnership on day one of a test match.
A couple of others that come to mind are Taylor & Warne in the 1989 Ashes and Gibbs & Smith against West Indies in 2004. How many such instances are there?
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The 1989 Ashes was a disaster for England but I can't help thinking the selectors didn't help. In six test matches they chose 29 different players. 13 of these only played one test. There were 4 changes after each of the first 5 tests and 6 changes before the final test at the Oval. 6 of the players used - Newport, Jarvis, Curtis, Capel, Iggleston and Stephenson - played very little test cricket. Only 2 - Gower and Russell - played in every game. Is it any wonder that England lost the series 4-0?
Have England ever used more players in a summer? Has there ever been a series where no England player played in every test? What is the highest number of changes made between test mayches in England?
Matthew
West Yorkshire
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Dear Bill,
Within the whole Murali vs. Warne debate it is often said that had Warne not been in the same teams as many other great bowlers he'd have bowled more overs and taken more wickets.
It would be interesting to know, per test match, what proportion of their sides total overs Warne and Murali bowled on average, and also what proportion of wickets they each took?
Many thanks,
Tom
London
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Dear Bill
I have lost contact with a friend with whom I went to the 2005 Old Trafford Ashes Test Match. His name is Ed Bolderston, (Kenya) he posted a question to you re: Lee and the boundary rope at this Test Match, dated 20.11.2007. Please can you pass on my email address? Many thanks. St Johns Wood, LONDON
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Hello Bill,
Yesterday's (December 11) Twenty 20 between Aus and NZ at the WACA: Andrew Symonds smashes one into the deep, which is spectacularly held by a diving, sliding Ross Taylor near the boundary. But then, apparently concerned about sliding right over the rope, Ross lets go of the ball. Symonds is given not out. However, Taylor seemed to have held on to the ball long enough and the replays suggested he was completely in control of its disposal. Wasn't that catch legit? Shouldn't symonds have been given out?
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just to let everyone know there is in fact an "Ask Bearder's" blog number 159, which already has 80+questions and answers
it has in fact been running since nov 29th!
the link, as the 大象传媒 seems to want to hide it, is
/blogs/tms/2007/11/ask_bearders_159.shtml
maybe there is 160 out there too but it's being hidden?
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just to let you all know there has been an "ask bearders" column 159 (this is 158) running since nov 29th, it now has more than 100 questions and answers
as the 大象传媒 seem reluctant to provide a link to it i shall
/blogs/tms/2007/11/ask_bearders_159.shtml
it's possible there is a blog 160 out there too, but that's even more hushed up, who knows?
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In his penultimate season, Derek Underwood had an astonishing analysis of 35.5-29-11-1.
Is this the fewest runs conceded by a bowler who bowled over 30 overs in an innings?
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In his penultimate season, Derek Underwood had an astonishing analysis of 35.5-29-11-7.
Is this the fewest runs conceded by a bowler who bowled over 30 overs in an innings?
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Thank you Ian, wondered where that had gone. I thought maybe I was going mad...
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Question 85 - Samuel
i don't know what the BEST is but it certainly isn't Underwood,
India's Bapoo Nadkarni, who bowled 21 consecutive maidens against England at Madras in 1964, finished the game innings with figures of 32-27-5-0
6 fewer runs, but a lot fewer wickets!
this is a famous case as it is the world record for consecutive maidens in a test match, so i would imagine in first class there have been better analysis
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Gavin Hamilton played one test, scored a pair and went wicketless after being drafted as an allrounder. Have any recognised allrounders had similarly disastrous debuts?
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Gavin Hamilton played one test, scored a pair and went wicketless after being drafted as an allrounder. Have any recognised allrounders had similarly disastrous debuts?
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This blog style for Ask Bearders is obviously not working. If every Tom,Dick and Harry take it upon themselves to answer questions, chances are some of those answers will be wrong. When we ask Bill for answers, we want answers from him( or Him ?)Could the others cease and desist please.
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Hi Bill
I wear glasses while playing cricket. I was hoping you could tell me which other players apart from Daniel Vettori, have worn glasses in Tests and/or domestically?
Also, what type of glasses does he wear?
Many thanks
Brett
Guildford, UK
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