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Something to Tell the Grandchildren About (Part 1)icon for Recommended story

by Clare Hardy

Air Gunner Tony Winser (left) with his crew.

Contributed by听
Clare Hardy
People in story:听
Anthony Douglas Winser
Location of story:听
Lincoln and North Europe
Background to story:听
Royal Air Force
Article ID:听
A4365803
Contributed on:听
05 July 2005

As Tony Winser eased himself into the rear turret of his Lancaster Bomber, Peter II, and waved farewell with his guns as he bumped along the runway for his next night mission over Germany, no doubt he thought to himself, 鈥淲ell, at least this will be something to tell the grandchildren about.鈥 As circumstances turned out, I never had a grandfather to tell me about his wartime adventures, as my own, Tony鈥檚 brother Trevor, was not one of the lucky ones to come back, falling victim to a torpedo attack as he travelled to Africa for active service in 1942.

The loss of his brother provided the impetus for Tony to join the Royal Air Force at the first opportunity when he reached the age of 18 in 1943, just as the war was reaching its most decisive phase, as far as the air was concerned. In his determination 鈥渢o get back at Jerry for taking my brother,鈥 and impatient to confront the enemy, Tony took the quickest but most dangerous course on offer to him - that of Air Gunner in the exposed rear turret where bullets could whip through the clear vision panel, and escape in an emergency was next to impossible. 鈥淚 joined up in 鈥43. And I was on ops by September 鈥44,鈥 explained Tony. 鈥淚 got called up July, so I was 18 on the 15th of July, and I had my calling up papers to report on the 16th: the next day.

It was a fairly quick course, Air Gunners.鈥 Tony鈥檚 report describes him as 鈥淎n average gunner.鈥 Faint praise for a teenager whose experiences would provide a bloody initiation into manhood, and remain with him for life.

Tony was one of the few to complete a tour of 31 ops and return to tell me about it one day in the summer of 1999. Sitting down with Tony鈥檚 log book, Air Gunner鈥檚 brevet and photographs, I had to comment on the impassive remarks in his training record. 鈥淚 like this - it鈥檚 like a school report!鈥 I exclaimed. 鈥淥h yes - I was average. I don鈥檛 know what that means actually, but anyway, I got 75.6. I was at Air Gunners鈥 School, Andrews, The Isle of Man.鈥 Taking up position in his armchair with his imaginary guns trained on an innocent vase of chrysanthemums, Tony explained how, in training, he had to have his bullets painted different colours, 鈥渟o that when you got back, you鈥檇 know whether you鈥檇 hit them or not, because there鈥檚 so much deflection, you see. Because if you鈥檙e sitting in the turret like this - you fire the guns - the bullets go straight ahead; but as you rotate your turret round, they tend to go back, that鈥檚 why you had to have a certain amount of what they call - so many bull, so many incendiaries - and that sort of thing, so you could see where the bullets were going.鈥

The chrysanthemums, still sitting in the line of fire, looked unconcerned as Tony swivelled in his chair. 鈥淎nd the further you go round this end the more the bullets go that way.鈥 鈥淲as that to do with the air speed?鈥 asked my husband, Giles. 鈥淵es, that鈥檚 right,鈥 replied Tony. 鈥淚t鈥檚 pulling the bullets round. So the bullets are going like that,鈥 he explained with an arc of the hand. 鈥淪o you have to allow so much for deflection for the bullets to hit the target, you see. You鈥檝e got your ring and bead in there and you鈥檝e got to know exactly what aircraft it is to know where you鈥檝e got to fire the guns at. So I thought I鈥檇 just get my ring and bead firing the guns, because if you rotate them round there鈥檚 going to be more deflection on the bullets.鈥

鈥淪o who are those people in the photograph?鈥.

鈥淲ell there鈥檚 Les on there. And that鈥檚 Bill, that was the bomb aimer. That鈥檚 Les, my skipper; that鈥檚 me. I was 19 then. Can you see a resemblance? A proper Winser! Yes, sitting on a dugout or something - we were on the Squadron then. Can you see my stripes? They should be on this side. Should be there, my stripes. My brevet is just underneath my hat. Because I鈥檝e got my hat tucked in there look. I eventually finished up as Warrant Officer. I could have got a commission, you see, if I had stayed in. Never mind. I done all right.鈥

鈥淒o you still keep in touch with many of your friends from that time?鈥.

鈥淣ot a lot. There鈥檚 just Paddy, he鈥檚 the only one I鈥檝e got, because Les, my skipper, he was killed over Biggin Hill several years ago now, doing a demonstration. Robbie told me, my Mid-Upper Gunner. He used to live at Littlehampton; I used to go down and see him when I went down to Kent. He kept in touch right up until he died, he died of a bad heart. He was older than me, because they used to call me the baby - the baby of the Squadron. I was only 19 and some of them were about 23, 24, some even more - Bill Cox, I think was about 30. No it鈥檚 just Paddy I鈥檝e got, because Les was killed over Biggin Hill. Robbie rang and told me. And then I lost Robbie; he died. And then of course there was three Australians, you see: Phil, Bruce and Barry - they all went back to Australia, and there鈥檚 only Paddy, and I didn鈥檛 know that Paddy was even at Ipswich.

I think it was Robbie who rang me once and said, 鈥楬ave you heard from Paddy, because he lives near you?鈥 And I said, 鈥楴o - where is he then?鈥 And he says, 鈥榃ell, he鈥檚 in Ipswich.鈥 So Mabel and I went down there and saw him. He鈥檚 rung me no end of times, to see how I was and that. So he鈥檚 the only one really left. When I used to go the Wickenby Reunions which we used to call 鈥楾he Register鈥 - there was a memorial there with all the fallen on and we used to have a Reunion every year - September, and it was getting to the stage where you鈥檇 go there and there was nobody there you knew because they鈥檇 gone. I was only 19, you see, and a lot of those were in their 30s. I was quite a youngster you see.鈥

Tony gestured to the crew photograph. 鈥300 Squadron that was called, and that was at Faldingworth, just outside of Lincoln, and we did a fair bit of training: circuits and bombs, that sort of thing, just to get used to the aircraft. I didn鈥檛 like it there because the Polish food was awful. You didn鈥檛 have any English food, and the Polish food was all old sloppy stuff.鈥

鈥淲as that the mosquito base?鈥 asked Giles. 鈥淭hat was up there too,鈥 Tony replied. 鈥淥h my goodness, they were like vultures up there! In the summer time you could go into the Mess, and what was left over from tea, you could just help yourself to. And if you weren鈥檛 there at half past seven, and if you wanted something to eat, you ought to have seen the queue! They just took the lot! You鈥檇 hardly ever get anything! They were a nice crowd actually, the Polish were. I got on very well with them: I felt ever so sorry for them because they had been through an awful lot. We weren鈥檛 there long. We didn鈥檛 do any ops from there, and then they transferred us over to 626 Squadron, Wickenby. That鈥檚 where we did our ops from.

There was 12 Squadron there as well. There were two Squadrons on the same base, because they wanted full battle order - every aircraft had to go. Old Bomber Harris had given his instructions, you know, saying 鈥業 want full force up tonight - hundred per cent,鈥 and whatever he said went.鈥

鈥淢ost of the aircraft you were shooting at, were they ME-109s?鈥
鈥淔okker Wolf 190s. Most of them were ME-109s,鈥
鈥淎nd they always attacked the rear.鈥
鈥淭hey always attacked from behind?鈥
鈥淐urve and pursuit attack, yes.鈥
鈥淯苍诲别谤苍别补迟丑?鈥
鈥淎产辞惫别.鈥

Giles began, 鈥淚sn鈥檛 it when you鈥檙e pulling away you get the best...鈥

鈥淲ell then you get the corkscrew action,鈥 Tony cut in. 鈥淵ou see, you鈥檙e flying along like that. You can spot him up there, and then all of a sudden he鈥檒l start coming in. It鈥檚 what you call a curve and pursuit attack. He can get you, because you鈥檙e still going along like that鈥︹ (Tony described his flight path with his left hand) 鈥溾ut once he gets to a certain speed, and you know by your ring and bead exactly what distance he is away, I have to give the corkscrew action, so when he comes in with his fixed guns, your aircraft鈥檚 gone down there.鈥 Tony鈥檚 right hand, representing the enemy aircraft, had entered the engagement at this point. 鈥淚鈥檝e got my rotating turret, I can get him. But their guns are fixed into the wings...鈥

鈥淪o he鈥檚 got to chase you round,鈥 said Giles.

鈥淭hat鈥檚 right,鈥 Tony replied. 鈥淗e鈥檚 got to get round, really, because he鈥檚 doing a hell of a speed and he can鈥檛 manage it, he can鈥檛 get round to get his guns on you - but you could. Then if you don鈥檛 get him, he鈥檒l shoot off, and then there鈥檚 the Mid-Upper Gunner to finish him off! See what I mean! He鈥檚 got two guns, I鈥檝e got four. You don鈥檛 fire until you鈥檙e in distance of your guns, and then you have a go, and he鈥檚 still coming, you鈥檙e still going along like this, you鈥檙e having a go at him, rotating your turret around like this, he鈥檚 got fixed guns, and then, when he gets to a certain distance, if he starts to open fire, I give evasive action - corkscrew - to the skipper. You see he鈥檚 coming down at such a speed, from a height, because that鈥檚 how they do it, he can鈥檛 get round, you see. He can鈥檛 get round to me because his guns are fixed in the wings. But I can get him! Because I鈥檝e got all my guns, and I can manoevre it up, down, or whatever. And if you get the evasive action right, you can get him before he鈥檒l get you - if you鈥檙e on the ball. And I did seven times.鈥

鈥淒id he blow up?鈥 asked Giles

鈥淗e just went pssst, like that,鈥 Tony replied. 鈥淎nd you could see then, he鈥檇 catch alight, and he just went down. But there was one that got away, and went over the top to the Mid-Upper Gunner to finish off. I got him first. Of course, you claim it, and somebody in another aircraft has to report the position where they鈥檝e seen this ME-109 shot down. And if the moon was up, they would always work it so that they came in with the moon behind them. It was a bit of a job to see, because the moon up in the sky was quite bright at night. And then, towards the end of my tour, Jerry knew that we hadn鈥檛 got any Mid-Under Gunners, so they invented a gun that would shoot upwards. Up in the air like that.鈥 Tony jabbed towards the ceiling. 鈥淪o when you were going along, we couldn鈥檛 make out why we lost some aircraft when we hadn鈥檛 seen any - I wasn鈥檛 one of the victims anyway - but they found out what the ME-109s or the Fokker Wolfs or whatever do: they鈥檝e got this gun, so they get underneath the aircraft and shoot it up like that. And so they briefed us after they found out that what we鈥檇 got to do was, as we were going along, we鈥檇 got to keep going like this with the aircraft.鈥 Tony swung his arm from side to side. 鈥淪o that the Mid-Upper Gunner could see each half of the aircraft. Like that. It was awkward flying like that, but we had to do it because we鈥檇 got no Mid-Under, see, the Yanks had got Mid-Unders as well, Front Gunners and everything. We鈥檇 got a Front Gunner with the Bomb Aimer, but they never attacked you from the front.

I don鈥檛 know why the front gun was there really, because they never attacked you from the front. And so, us boys, as soon as we鈥檇 crossed the English coast, we were getting sort of keen to get back, we used to start taking our guns out, so that when we got back to base, the guns were out and you could get back and get your meal quick, and get it all over, you see. And then of course, Jerry found out about this episode, and started following us back, and once they started firing, we鈥檇 got nothing in the bloomin鈥 turret! So they were very strict on that, so Les always used to say to me, 鈥楧on鈥檛 you take your guns out, Tony.鈥 鈥楴o, don鈥檛 you worry, Les.鈥 And there would be a tap on the back door, and old Robbie, the Mid-Upper Gunner would come: 鈥楬ere you are, Tony,鈥 because we were below oxygen height then, we didn鈥檛 need oxygen, and he鈥檇 bring me my thermos of coffee, and I鈥檇 take my oxygen mask off and drink my coffee, you see. Silly thing to do really, but we used to think, 鈥榃ell, we shan鈥檛 get any fighters now, there鈥檒l be nobody, especially night times.鈥 Of course, old Robbie used to take his guns out. You used to have to take them out and take them back to the Armoury, you see, in the crew bus.鈥

鈥淪o you had to take your guns in and out every time you flew?鈥 queried Giles.
鈥 Yes, and you had to go round every morning and harmonise them with a special board.鈥
鈥淭o make sure they鈥檙e all lined up and all firing at the same point?鈥
鈥淵es, that鈥檚 right,鈥 Tony replied. 鈥淎nd of course you have to clean them. Even if you haven鈥檛 used them you still have to go down to the Gunners鈥 section and clean them, make sure there鈥檚 no rust, because you see, there were no hangers; you were out on dispersal all the time you see, and of course my part was so open because the rear turret was the only turret in the aircraft that had got a clear vision panel with no perspex at all, so you got good vision.

And of course when it rained, the bloomin鈥 rain used to come in and get onto your seat and soak everything, you see, and then when you got in there, and you had to put all your flying kit on, and your electrical suit and everything and all the electrical gloves, the electrical socks: they were all connected up to the suit with press studs, and when you put the heating on - because it was so cold - really cold - especially in the rear turret because of this clear vision panel. (I鈥檝e even, many a time, went to use the intercom and couldn鈥檛 do anything with it because it was all iced up!) So of course the problem was when you used to put your electrical suit on and your seat was soaking wet, it used to cause problems because it was drawing up what was damp! But if they had only had some sort of coverage over the turret when it was in dispersal, you wouldn鈥檛 have got that dampness in. Of course your guns were not in, you see, because you had to take them back to the armoury, and then you had to go out first thing in the morning - you knew, first thing in the morning, whether you were on the battle order or not. And outside the Mess, if your name was on there, you knew you鈥檇 got a briefing to come, which, say, would be about 14.30 or something like that. And you鈥檇 go into the briefing room - it used to be 12 Squadron on that side, 626, which I was on, that side - and there would be seven chairs in a row for all the crew to sit down and the first thing you would look at... it was all locked up, nobody could look in there to see where you were going, it was all secret - until you got to the actual briefing, they would unlock it to let you in, and then you鈥檇 see the map there in front of you, with the red tape going from Wickenby down to Reading, Reading to Beachy Head, Beachy Head right across to the target, and you鈥檇 go across and have a look and see: 鈥業t鈥檚 that one tonight.鈥 And then of course they鈥檇 brief you exactly what you鈥檝e got to do, what height you were going to bomb - because it鈥檚 a thousand bombers, it鈥檚 a lot of aircraft in the air, and dark: there were no lights on your aircraft - it was all in darkness. Mind you, you鈥檇 probably take off in the daylight, but by the time you got to the target it was pitch dark.鈥 ...

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