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1939-1947, an ‘interesting’ experience and my 15 minutes of fame.

by Ron Goldstein

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Ron Goldstein
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Ron Goldstein
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Contributed on:
05 July 2004

Nita and I at AJEX Parade,Whitehall, Nov 2001

Looking back on the various articles that I have submitted, I seem to have written a lot of short stories based on Diary or Album entries.

The main reason for this peculiar format is that when I created my Army Album, in Trieste, in 1946, I attempted to cram into the pages of a relatively small book the highlights of eight very important years of my life, those between 1939 and 1947. It is therefore the ‘highlights’ of these years that I have, in turn, inflicted upon my reader and I can only hope that I have not been too boring in the process.

In retrospect, I think that I had an ‘interesting’ set of wartime experiences but none that were so unique or unusual for men of my age group, i.e. those born in the 1920’s.
Even the fact that I ‘changed jobs’, i.e. from Light Ack Ack to being in the Royal Armoured Corps, was not rare for men in the forces, particularly at the closing stages of the war when many regiments were being broken up.

Where I appear to have varied from the norm was mainly down to three factors.

The first was my decision to keep a diary whilst on active service, the second was the opportunity I had to make an ‘Army Album’ in 1946 whilst waiting to get out of the Army and the final factor was that I got myself involved in computing at the tender age of sixty-two.
As the direct result of all of these ‘factors’, I was in a good position to be able to place many of my experiences and photos, for better or for worse, onto the ý WW2 website and this, at least, I have achieved.
My Album, which up to now has been buried away in my study, is now in the Public Domain and hopefully may provide some interest to researchers into WW2.

What I didn’t conceive, when I first started submitting articles, was the immense pleasure I was about to receive by the making of many good friends. I won’t name them, they know who they are, but their responses to, and contributions made, to articles I have written have given me immense pleasure and shamed my ignorance of military history.

I would also like to take this opportunity of thanking all of the ý WW2 Team for being so patient, and understanding with all of us ‘oldies’. Occasionally they have had to take some stick from all and sundry but they have ALWAYS replied in a most polite manner, which is more than I would have done, given the same set of circumstances.

As to my "Fifteen minutes of fame"...

It was Andy Warhol who invented the phrase "In the future everyone will be famous for fifteen minutes."

In my case, I reckon I must have had about about an hour’s worth , I hasten to explain.

Back in the 1988 my eldest sister Esther thought it would be a good idea to compile a family book with all the surviving siblings contributing their own story about the early life of the Goldstein family. The book duly came to pass under the title of “And Then There Were Eleven”, which referred to the eleven siblings in our family.

The original book, entitled as above, was published privately in 1988, strictly for sale amongst the Goldstein family and sold out immediately.
As a result of various other parties also reading the book it was found to be of modern historical interest and it sparked off various sidelines now detailed below.

In 1990 it was ‘read’ on to Audio Tape for the Jewish Care’s Tapes for the Blind and became one of its listed popular Talking Books. The book was then lodged, by request, in the Bishopsgate Reference Library and the Steinberg Centre, thus making it accessible to researchers. It was also used in 1993-4 by the Museum of London for its Peopling of London Exhibition at the Barbican; in 1996 by the Commission for Social Equality for its ‘Roots of the Future Exhibition’ and in 1996 by Central Foundation Girls School to record 20th century life for posterity in a time capsule sunk in the foundations of its new building in Bow.

On December 11th 1999 ý Radio 4 broadcast “In These Arms”, the final episode of a four-part series examining family life over four centuries; it featured the Goldsteins as representing an immigrant family between the two World Wars. To make this program the ý invited me to go ‘walkabout’ in the East End of London talking about my early roots and this formed part of a very interesting program that included readings taken from the book.

On the 50th anniversary of VE Day, ITV invited me and a few other WW2 veterans down to the Imperial War Museum and filmed me in front of a Sherman tank talking about VE day 1945 as seen from a field in Venice.

In March 2005 The ý WW2 Peoples War filmed a trailer to encourage people to send in articles for the site. Together with Frank Mee and Joan Styan I made up the third member of an unlikely trio and the results were shown on ý 4 for two separate weeks.

In March 2005 I was invited down to the ý studios at White City and took part in a 25 minute interview by Stephen Sackur. Unfortunately for my self-esteem the program was never actually ‘aired’ as it clashed with the British General Elections.

The family have also managed to get entries in various books, as follows:

The Peopling of London, Edited by Nick Merriman (Contains the photo of Dad’s factory in Gt. Eastern Street).

The Day War Ended, Voices and Memories from 1945, Published by Weidenfield and Nicholson. (Contains Ron’s photo and story about VE Day as seen from a field near Venice)

Victory in Europe, D-Day to the fall of Berlin, by Karen Farrington (Contains a story about Sgt.Jack Goldstein and his final flight over Nuremberg, also Ron’s story of a British POW camp in Austria)

So, all in all, I reckon I’ve had my 15 minutes of fame but no one has ever asked me for my autograph !

Regards to all

Ron

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Message 1 - Thankyou

Posted on: 05 July 2004 by Andy1971

Well thankyou Ron, its been a pleasure reading your posts, im glad you did keep that diary and decided to put your war memories here for all to read.

Thankyou

Andy

Message 1 - Boring? never.

Posted on: 05 July 2004 by Frank Mee Researcher 241911

Hi Ron,
So this is the end of the Epic is it? I will lay bets on that.
Inflicting your stories? Boring? never Ron, I enjoyed them one and all, Pity about the pictures though, still we can not all be handsome debonair and good dancers can we.
I enjoyed the stories because although of an age to understand the war and what was happening we never got the whole truth from the official news and were never told exactly what it was like.
Relatives and local people in the forces would clam up when questioned whilst on leave and we did not understand why. I found out a year or so later by my own experiences.
It has taken long years for the men and women involved to dig down into the dark recess of memory and finally put those events on paper.
That tells me it was a traumatic experience in their lives and the long years of war left them feeling "Forget it and get on with living now we have made it" I dont blame them.
We who stayed home during the war and got our share of the bombing thought ourselves lucky but still repressed those events until our Grandchildren started to query things. My wife and I would tell some humerous story and our children would say "we never knew that" true we just never spoke about it.
Thank you Ron for letting us into your past and telling it as it was.
Be outside the Company Office at 09:00 tomorrow morning when I will march you in for your Court Marshall, you were forbidden to keep diaries during war service.
I think you are a <star>
Regards Frank. <blacksheep>

Message 2 - Boring? never.

Posted on: 06 July 2004 by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper

Ron -
this must be an Ack - Ack thing as Tank men never quit they roll over the enemy no matter who or what they are, can't be old age, heck your'e only a few months on me... so what is it...running out of stories...then make 'em up like Frank !... or is it 'er inside who needs the room ? you tell her that just because she has been married for 55 years doesn't give her any time off for good behaviour...like mine wants !

We have crossed each other's paths too often from primary training at Bury St.Edmonds..Barnard Castle - North Africa - Italy - Austria... to quit now...so with lots of luck I shall be in your London Town by September and we can - perhaps - share a glass of milk with two straws !
Thanks for all your stories Ron - it's been a pleasure beyond words !
Arrivederci 'e chiou... or as Frank was fond of saying - "caps off - quick march - right wheel - halt"....and watches the poor victim slide under the Co's desk !
Tomcan

Message 3 - Boring? perhaps sometimes!

Posted on: 07 July 2004 by Ron Goldstein

Hi Frank/Tom
You are both really softies at heart, you just like to make lots of noise to scare people away!
Tom... September is still very much on (d.v) and we will keep in touch and organise via e-mail. Perhaps the powers that be will allow us to post a snap of our meeting to be kept in a special research desk headed 'The Last of the Dinosaurs'.
Ciaou for now
Ron

Message 4 - Boring? perhaps sometimes!

Posted on: 07 July 2004 by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper

Ron -
do you mind old chap.....watch that dinosaur bit...I am the same age as my wife... and she only admits to being 39,,,and a few months ! I am seriously hoping to live until I am 150.....as this is the only way I can get all my money back from the governments.. as we are still penalised for having the temerity to live in the Old Colonies !

will send you my Itinerary when i finalise it all...but i do have around five straight days in London at the back end of September when we can get together ! again D.V.

I will look forward to that
cheers
tomcan

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