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1st % 5th Canadian Divs at Ortona.

by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper

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Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper
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Tom Canning
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Italy
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Army
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A3300788
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19 November 2004

Dear Ron MacGill

In response to your query of 鈥渨as there a cover up at Ortona鈥 鈥 possibly the words cover 鈥 up is a bit strong as it was a bit embarrassing to the upper echelons of both divisions, and of course the Corps Commander. There is a mention of it though in Lt.Col. W. Nicholson鈥檚 book 鈥 The Canadians in Italy 1943 鈥 45 !

The way we heard of it was thus :-

The 1st Infantry Division had been fighting hard since landing on the beaches of Sicily in July, and were particularly well thought of by Gen Montgomery as a first class fighting unit. By December the 1st Div were exhausted at Ortona and were pulled back for a rest. On the way back, they were overtaken by some unit of the 5th Cdn Armed Div who had recently landed and had taken some time to be outfitted as they had rejected the Tanks etc left by the 7th Brit Armed Div who had returned to the U.K to prepare for the Normandy landings.

Some idiot of the 5th Armed Div stuck his head out of the back of a truck and yelled at some Seaforths (2nd Bde) that the 鈥 Mighty Maroon Machine鈥, would now show them how to fight !

During the1st Divs. two day rest, the 5th Armed had come upon the 4th battalion - 1st German Para Div. who proceeded to show the 鈥済reen鈥 5th Cdn Div how to really fight. The 5th Cdn Div then pulled back only to be met by the fully rested 1st Div who then concluded their baptism of war! It apparently took some time to separate them as there was more than just a little animosity between the two Divisions.

When Gen Montgomery was informed of the true facts of this skirmish
he 鈥榝ired鈥 the 5th Armed Div. and after the small battle in which they were occupied , sent them over close to the US 5th Army sector.

That left the 1st div without Tank support and so the British 21st and 25th Tank brigades were 鈥榲olunteered鈥 for the task.

The first time in battle together was at the Hitler/Gustav lines in which all suffered tremendous casualties with the North Irish Horse losing some 14 tanks in a few minutes with 30 crew members killed while half a mile away the 51 st RTR were losing the same !

The 5th Cdn Armed then blundered into the British 6th Armoured , who were returning from the Battle to refuel and losses were mounting and so they joined us on the left in a reserve position, when they finally took over the lead were severely mauled at Frosinone.

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The 21st Tank bde then took over the lead for the subterfuge towards Sienna, before back tracking to Fabriano and Jesi for the Gothic Line Battle on the 25th August, with both 25th Tank Bde and 5th Armed in reserve, we were then supporting the 2nd Cdn Bde of the PPCLI 鈥 Seaforths and Loyal Edmontons with the 1st bde over by the coast and the 3rd bde on our left towards Croce and Gemmano. We all took a beating at Coriano and the 25th Tanks with 5th Cdn Div plus the 46th 鈥 56th and 4th British Divs joined us along with the 78th Div. and elements of the 4th Indian Div and a Greek bde. the battle concluded at Rimini on the 23rd September 鈥44.

If you, by any chance read Lt. Col. Nicholson鈥檚 qccount of that Battle you will find a tremendous tribute to 21st Tank bde. by Corps Commander Tommy Burns and others for鈥 unselfishly sending in squadrons of tanks regardless of the cost鈥 鈥 the costs were high as we lost some 306 with many more wounded, including myself !

All of my regimental dead were buried at the Cdn cemetery at Riccione on the 1st October 1944 with your padre and our Fr.鈥漃op鈥 Higgins of the Newcastle Diocese leading the prayers and the 2nd Bde Commader T.G. Gibson giving the address, the lament was played by the Seaforths鈥 piper and the band was from the 2nd New Zealand Div.- they say it was beautiful ceremony but this is hearsey as I was in hospital from 18th September until January 鈥45. My 35 friends have since been moved to Coriano Ridge where we had a great deal of bother with the German 1st paras once more. The 21st Tank bde continued to support the Canadians until they were moved to NW Eruope to join the other Canadian Divisions fighting there in early 鈥45.

I visited the Coriano War Cemetery last September and it is a truly beautiful and peaceful place to-day where 2000 men are buried, just one of seven cemeteries in the area, including many members of both the 1st and 5th Cdn divs who are finally at peace !

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Message 1 - Italy WWII 60th Anniversary

Posted on: 24 April 2005 by kgk914

Our American Legion Post from Pelham New York is traveling to Italy later this week to participate in four WWII ceremonies May 2nd to 5th.

On May 2nd, the 60th Anniversary date of the end of WWII in Italy, we will participate in a large ceremony sponsored by the US miltary at the Sicily - Rome American cemetery in Nettuno starting 11AM. Our NY State Commander Paul Cortright will conduct a wreath laying on behalf of all veterans.

Shortly after 1 PM on May 2nd, we will conduct a short ceremony at the British Beachhead cemetery at Anzio. We plan to read,"For The Fallen
By Laurence Binyon (1869-1943)". We are trying to find a short reading summing up the British experience in Italy.

On May 3rd we are traveling to Montecassino and will conduct a wreathlaying ceremony at the Polish cemetery at 1 PM.

On May 5th at 11AM Post 50 will conduct a one hour ceremony at the Florence American Cemetery in Florence. NY State Commander Cortright will preside. An Assistant Secretary of the US Navy will speak along with a US State Dept. official. Several short stories of American service men and women lost in the fight to liberate Italy will be read.

For further information contact me at my office 914-381-5353 in NY or email to kgk914@aol.com or after April 27th, Mr. John Chuhran at JTchuhran@aol.com.

Respectively to our great friends in the UK.

Ken

Kenneth G. Kraetzer
Sons of the American Legion
The American Legion
Dept. Of New York
Post 50 Pelham, NY 10803 USA

Message 2 - Italy WWII 60th Anniversary

Posted on: 24 April 2005 by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper

Dear Kenneth -
there have been , as you know, many tributes to those of us who fought in the campaign in Italy and in particular to those who fell.

one of the most heart rending, in my view, is the account of a visit to the war cemetery at Montecassino by an author of a book on his experiences as a rifleman with the Perth regiment of Canada - Stan Scislowski.(platingman)
His account of his visit can be found on the BBc series at #A2805761
"Cassino War Cemetary" - it's rather long but after reading this I am sure you will be able to pick out some passages which might sum up that theatre.

If you have difficulty in finding this, then I shall be pleased to e-mail it to you !
best regards and success in your visit - We visited Nettuno/Anzio in 2000 - not too successfuly as when my wife came out of the "Church of many Graces" - she fell and broke her leg which put paid to the rest of our trip !

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